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A very confident President Obama came out swinging on Thursday. He took no prisoners. It is the Obama many have been waiting for. It seems he is no longer going to play nice in the attempt to have Republicans work with him on the debt ceiling, the budget, or Obamacare. He understands they simply want him to fail even if it takes down American citizens and the economy.

The benefits of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) speak for themselves. It will be obvious very soon that the Obamacare realities were allowed to be misrepresented and lied about by a corrupt Republican Party using the traditional media as its conduit.

The president warned young people about listening to the Koch brothers' ad advising them not to buy insurance. Krystal Ball did a great piece on the evil nature of this advice. Specifically he said,

Some of the Tea Party biggest donors, some of the wealthiest men in America are funding a cynical ad campaign to convince young people not to buy healthcare at all. .. Now do you think if you get sick or you get hurt and you get stuck with a massive bill these same folks are gonna help you out?

He received a resounding "no" from the audience.

The president gave one of his most complete explanations of how the Affordable Care Act process works. Specifically, the president admonished folks to disregard naysayers and Fox News. He asked citizens to visit website http://healthcare.gov, which will direct them to their state-specific site and make up their own minds. He is so confident about Obamacare that he said:

Don’t Take my word for it. Go on the website. See for yourself what the prices are. See for yourself what the choices are. Then make up your own mind. That’s all I am asking. Make up your own mind. I promise you if you go on the website, and it turns out you are gonna save, a hundred, two hundred, three hundred dollars a month on your insurance, or you will be able to buy insurance for the first time, even if you didn’t vote for me I bet you will sign up for that health care plan. … So you don’t need to listen to the politicians. You don’t need to listen to me. Just go check it out for yourself. Make up your own mind.

The president told the audience he needed them to engage in the education process. He needed them to spread the word and their own experiences. The president is always playing the long game. Many accused him of not selling Obamacare with enough zeal. The reality is he has continuously told Americans about the improvements in their policies that are generally not felt unless one is the immediate victim of their insurance's evil deeds.

With the health exchanges coming on board next week the president has something tangible to promote with unmitigated zeal. What is ironic is the outcome now will have a duality that is great for the president and potentially catastrophic for the Republicans. Republicans with the help of the traditional media have been allowed to lie and misinform Americans about the new law. When America sees the Obamacare reality, Republicans will lose their credibility even as the law gains popularity. While right-wing fanatics will not be convinced even at their own detriment, sane citizens will.

Originally posted to ProgressiveLiberal on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 02:35 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  now he's just taunting the 'baggers- you go, PBO! (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 03:11:01 PM PDT

  •  Who are you, and what have you done with Barack? (5+ / 0-)

    Come out swinging?

    Arguing for the program?

    What's happened?

  •  I'm retiring in the next 6 months or so... (14+ / 0-)

    ...and the amount I would pay through my union for health insurance would break me. I would be left uncovered for the two years before I would be eligible for Medicaid, then 3 more to Medicare.

    With ACA I will be able to tailor my coverage to get the most bang for my buck.

    Anyone who believes the GOP lies will be singing a different tune in two years or so when it becomes apparent that this is going to save middle-class families millions of dollars.

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:22:07 PM PDT

    •  When I left my job (9+ / 0-)

      5 1/2 years ago, I could not afford the Cobra insurance if I wished to also eat and remain in my home.  It was absurdly high.  I got one of those catastrophic coverage deals through Blue Cross that I have since learned is mostly a money maker for insurance companies.  But I know a family (friends and neighbors) that was bankrupted by the husband's lung cancer treatments.  They lost their house.  They lost everything.  Friends were doing bake sales and fundraisers for them.  And he died in the end.  It was very sad.  So I wanted some type of insurance; I knew that much.

      I don't think enough Americans realize that a serious illness can bankrupt them.  Or maybe they do know and they are willing to roll the dice.  

      Meanwhile, Rafael Ted Douchebag Cruz has a fantastic health care plan through Goldman Sachs that costs him nothing and Goldman Sachs $40,000 a year.

      I have good healthcare now, and for that I'm very grateful.

    •  Millions? (5+ / 0-)

      I would guess the number would be an order of magnitude or two, if not more.  If it's less that $100 million in 2 years I would be stunned.

      There will be millions of households that save hundreds of dollars a month...

      In 2 years that would be in the billions of dollars saved.  The economic impact could be significant.

      (1 million households x $100 month savings x 24 months = $2.4 billion)

      •  The single time.. (1+ / 0-)
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        SoCalSal

        ...I refrain from hyperbole and I get called out.

        You're right! Never was great at math and money. I don't like either.

        Think of that money in consumer hands, and the economy might start seeing a blip upwards in discretionary spending.

        That ain't a bad thing. More jobs. I wonder why this aspect isn't touted?

        "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

        by CanisMaximus on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 09:59:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Take this to the bank, Teahadists. (12+ / 0-)
    You don’t need to listen to me. Just go check it out for yourself. Make up your own mind.
    That's the sound of the train leaving the station.

    All aboard, ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaha....

    The place was utterly dark—the oubliette, as I suppose, of their accursed convent.

    by bastrop on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:23:11 PM PDT

  •  Who else should lose credibility (7+ / 0-)

    among newly or more cheaply insured people?

    Hint in bold:

    Republicans with the help of the traditional media have been allowed to lie and misinform Americans about the new law. When America sees the Obamacare reality, Republicans will lose their credibility
    •  A better term might be "corporate media" (0+ / 0-)

      Because the most accurate term -- "Wholly-Owned and Operated Propagandists for the 1%" -- wouldn't be persuasive to many people who don't already understand the nature of our current reality...  which is to say, the vast majority of our citizenry.
      But over time, one convert at a time, we'll get there.
      The Publicans have nothing at all to sell but outright lies, and over time, that becomes increasingly and undeniably obvious.
      They can't help it -- they do our selling for us.

  •  boy, he sure pegged the koch brothers - (4+ / 0-)
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    greedy sobs prolly won't send PBO a Christmas card this year!

  •  I have no doubt the Koch Bros are (11+ / 0-)

    behind many of those posting on sites like HuffPo given that so many of the posts read like carefully scripted talking points. Just screen them and you will see phrases like "$15,000 deductible"  and "double what I'm paying now" posted  under multiple tags. I actually saw one poster who claimed he only makes 7 grand a year and the Obamacare calculator said it would cost him $330 a month with a "$15,000 deductible".I mean these guys are totally off the reservation. I tried several entries in the calculator and couldn't even come close to what this guy was claiming (even in states like Indiana and SD where rates are some of the highest). Then a few hours later I checked back in and some guy posted he made $10,000 a year and, guess what? He too had to pay $330 a month with a $15,000 deductible. Go figure.But the best had to be the guy who claimed he was currently paying only $110 a month to cover his family of four but under Obamacare the best he could get was the cheapest policy that would cost him....wait, take a guess? "$330 a month with a $15,000 deductible!"

    For Christina's America

    by DWKING on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:39:07 PM PDT

    •  So many get their talking/posting (2+ / 0-)
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      points from the Tea Party & FAUX websites.  

      Koch Bros and others hide behind these and local AM shock jocks all over the country.

    •  Rich daddy's boys who never worked a day (4+ / 0-)

      in their pampered lives, playing with peoples' lives, because they can. The estate tax was literally created to prevent the sorts of things they do.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:56:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  A young, angry man I know--a right winger-- (5+ / 0-)

      posted this on fb yesterday (we live in NYS):

      Under The mandated Obama care my health insurance premium would go from 675 per month to 785 per month. Keep in mind I am a small business owner who has not taken a pay check in well over a year because of taxes and bs govt policies. so tell me how this is economically viable for the average person? that is a fucking house payment for fucks sake, I do not know anyone in the middle class who can afford this.
      I wrote: There should be a subsidy for you if your income level falls below a certain level. Check again.

      He replied:  i have . its ridiculous.

      Me: Where did you check?

      Reply: with nys

      Another friend replied: that's not accurate at all. use the exchagne site, not that. Plus there are massive subsidies if your PERSONAL income (not the business) is low.

      He wrote: i dont qualify for a thing regardless of income and not one of the the inept workers can give me a reason why. our wonderful govt at work (sarcasm intended)

      It went on like that, with people directing him to the correct site.  He wouldn't let go of his talking points, or his rage at the "government" no matter how rational and logical the answers were.

      "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

      by SottoVoce on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 08:24:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  you said you know him; is he actually... (0+ / 0-)

        ...a "small business owner," as he claims?
        Has he "not taken a pay check [sic] in well over a year," and if so, is that because of "taxes and bs govt [sic] policies"?
        Or is he living in his mom's basement, mowing the neighbors' lawns when they'll let him, and blaming "liberals" for his fecklessness?
        People who are willing to lie about political and economic facts, and use themselves and their own lives as alleged evidence, should be exposed as the liars they are -- especially if their lies extend to lying about their own circumstances.
        Please share with us what you know of his reality.

    •  The deductible is very high, that is no lie.. but (0+ / 0-)

      the premiums are quite low, as far as I have seen.

       I simply want to know what the doc and lab co pays are and so far I haven't found the answer.  If they are subject to that high deductible before the insurance will pay for a doctor visit, then that could be a huge issue.  A whole lot of people can't afford to pay full price to take their kid to see a doctor every other month when they run a fever or have an ear infection....if they have to pay a hundred or two hundred dollars for a doc visit and labs or blood drawn or whatever, because of a huge deductible.   I am hoping doctor visits and labs will be 10 or 25 dollars like a HMO.

      •  The policies on the exchanges will have to (0+ / 0-)

        spell all this out. But a good idea is to go to Healthcare.gov and take a look at the ESSENTIAL BENEFITS covered. You will be amazed at what is now covered with no co-pay or deductible. and here is another point. People have become to conditioned to running to the doctor every time a child gets a fever or ear infection or runny nose. This is often not necessary nor does it require a doctor's office visit, lab work, etc. This is a major form of bill padding that hopefully will be reduced under Obamacare.

        For Christina's America

        by DWKING on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 10:42:27 AM PDT

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        •  I have a special needs child. He has to go (0+ / 0-)

          frequently.  Also, when I taught in elementary and even secondary, a lot of schools requires doctor's notes for fevers of any kind or strep or any ailment like that or even if a child is out more than a day.  The parents have no choice but to take them.

  •  President Obama has been batting .1000 lately (4+ / 0-)
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    yella dawg, PinHole, TXdem, tampaedski

    and the Republicans fucking hate it.  Let the streak continue.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:42:15 PM PDT

    •  Shouldn't that be 1.000? (4+ / 0-)
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      TXdem, tampaedski, smartalek, VickiL

      Batting a thousand rather than .100.

      "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

      by anonevent on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:55:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Easy mistake (0+ / 0-)

        When a batter gets a hit every time up we say he's batting 1,000 not 1. (even though your math is correct).

      •  I always fuck that up. When I say (0+ / 0-)

        "batting three hundred" I write ".300"

        Please accept my sincerest apologies.  My point was that President Obama has been doing exactly what I voted him into office to do...making smart decisions even when it pisses off people like myself who want a far more progressive agenda from him.

        I'm really glad we get three more years of him.  I hope we give him the Democratic majority he needs in the House next year to knock some more important (and permanent) shit out before he leaves office.

        Looked at Obamacare, by the way - it's almost as good a deal as my employer-offered health care, though I'd have to look at the PPO option to confirm...my guess is it's primarily HMO, which I'm not a huge fan of, though it beats the living shit out of no insurance at all.

        Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:43:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Um, that's a very, very low batting average (0+ / 0-)

      I think you misplaced the decimal place.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:55:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Has everyone contacted the WH (4+ / 0-)
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    TXdem, mrsgoo, SoCalSal, smartalek

    and expressed support to Prez Obama?

    Do it TONIGHT!!!  

    (We did it last night)

  •  Hey, Koch brothers, this is Uncle Sam (2+ / 0-)
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    mrsgoo, SoCalSal

    Since you seem to be down on me lately (so to speak, ech), mind if I take away your tax subsidies and shelters and regulatory easments? I'm going to be needing them soon to pay for the massive infrastructure programs I'm going to be building right up your pampered rich white asses, douchebags.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:54:33 PM PDT

    •  We should be so lucky (0+ / 0-)

      They'll be all right no matter who's in office.
      Their lobbyists will see to that...
      And, btw, so will you, if you ever buy any of the following products:

      Brawny, Quilted Northern, VanityFair, AngelSoft, and Dixie paper products
      Georgia Pacific building and office products
      Lycra, Dacron, Thermolite, Polarguard fabric products
      ConocoPhillips, Union, and Chevron gas / oil products

      And others; details:

       http://www.chailife.com/...

       http://www.forbes.com/...

  •  Also, I have started posting (4+ / 0-)

    the website address, www.healthcare.gov on every posting/comment I send to local newspaper web sites.

    Hopefully at least some will be curious.

  •  The massive disinformation campaign (4+ / 0-)
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    TXdem, tampaedski, mrsgoo, ferg

    Will be rebuffed when reality sets in and people try for themselves.   They can keep up the garbage information, but too many people will see right through it

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 07:58:22 PM PDT

    •  Really, how many parents are going to tell... (1+ / 0-)
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      tmservo433

      their kids not to get health insurance?  Who will the kids who are the target audience for buying health insurance going to believe more - their parents or a cheesy ad?  We're talking young adults in their late 20's.

      Who's going to not see the crap factor of those ads if their older than 12 or 13?

      I'd gather the young adults who like or are "swayed" by those ads are already hardcore right wingers.  Despicable ads, but really a sign of desperation.

  •  Can we stop equating the HIXs with the full law? (4+ / 0-)

    Calling the HIXs "Obamacare" and the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" is a crude reverse synechdoche that confuses public debate.

    A great example of synechdoche in referring to legislation was equating ACES with cap-and-trade, i.e. speaking of the whole by referencing to the part. However, if the ACA is called "Obamacare" for short, referring to a provision as "Obamacare" pushes the other provisions of the ACA out of the discussion.

    Some provisions went into effect in 2010:

        Coverage for children with pre-existing conditions

        Coverage for young adults under 26

        No more lifetime limits on coverage

        No more arbitrary cancellations or rescissions

        Right to appeal health plan decisions

        Consumer Assistance Program

        Small business tax credit

        Temporary coverage for people with pre-existing conditions

        Community Health Centers

    And others did in 2011:

        Prescription drug discounts for seniors

        Free Medicare preventive services for seniors

        The 80/20 Rule (Medical Loss Ratio)

        Rate Review

    If you refer to the ACA as "Obamcare" and the exchanges/marketplaces as "Obamacare" (rather than a part of it), then you ignore all of the other components of the law and diminish your ability to communicate the wider benefits.

    •  Those are all very major points (1+ / 0-)

      Getting lost in the current "crisis".

    •  For many the only tangible part of the bill is the (1+ / 0-)
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      the marketplace with it's subsidies that people will only see as a very low price. This is the first part that will have a large effect on significant numbers of people.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 08:28:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Amen -- esp the "loss ratio;" but we must also... (1+ / 0-)

      ...never lose sight of the reality that a much better loss ratio is routinely achieved by both Medicare and the VA's health services.
      Since they both return over 95% of revenue in the form of delivered services, they show what single-payer could and would achieve.
      While Obamacare is undeniably an improvement over the status quo ante, it still leaves us paying far more, and getting much less, than any other civilized nation (and most of the uncivilized ones as well).
      Eyes on the prize, people.

  •  Thinking that WH needs to let folks who have (1+ / 0-)
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    employer-sponsored plans know that ACA has impacted those plans, too.  No cap on benefits, children up to age 26, no pre-x-exclusions.

    If we don't do that, we'll be creating an artificial segregation between employer plans and everyone else--working poor, uninsured homemakers, folks not qualifying for Medicare--and we DO NOT WANT this meme to continue.  We want all working families to be on the same page.

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