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The following is a portion of an exchange or emails between me and one of my right wing friends. I am sure most of you have received similar or much worse communications, as have I. In fact as right-wing stuff goes it is quite mild. Yet it has bothered me all out of proportion to how I would normally react. So I thought venting here would be cathartic and I might learn how others respond when they get fed up.

My friend sent this:


A word once spoken cannot be recalled - especially in this electronic day and age!!!

The Quote of the Decade:
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debts weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Pass it on 'til eternity... (...It was so nice of him to give us this great quote for posterity!) SO, USE IT!
Only 86% will send this on. Should be 100%.
Please send it on, if only to one person.

 I responded:
What is amazing is that he delivered what he said he would do. He has lowered the annual federal deficit more that any president has done in the past 50 years. Indeed it should be passed on so that people understand that a politician can actually at times deliver on their promises.
I added a chart that appeared in Rachel Maddow's blog that demonstrates that during Obama's time in office the annual federal budget as a percentage of GDP has decreased at a greater rate than under any president in the past 60 years.

My friend answered:

well , it is amazing how numbers can be manipulated.
as far as him doing what he says he will do, when do we seniors start not paying any taxes on income under fifty thousand a year( i think both you and  i)?
17 trillion is the highest in history . unmployment pays the longest term and most in history .
we handout more foodstamps that at any time in history . and to far more people .

you can keep thinking san fransisco style as long as you i suppose .

i think the rich are getting richer from his phony propped upstock market and the poor are getting more commited to
subsistence ,

sad shit , Joe .  wish i could believe you when you say it ain't so  ..

Like I said, I am sure that most of you have received worse. Also except for this, he is truly a sweet kind man and personally generous.

He also happens to be obsessed with Obama as many are and many of his emails appear to be strongly racist although I have never seen him behave so.

Usually I do not respond to the crap he and others like him sends by email, knowing the impersonality of the medium allows most people to avoid the ambiguity of responsibility for what they do. Sometimes I try to point out their factual errors as I did with my response above. Alas, every now and then, however, I will explode and write something intemperate.

What got to me in this case, was his accusing me of being a San Franciscan and although I am one, it engendered in me the same rage I would fall into when many years ago someone would call me a WOP, and as I am sure many reading this also have experienced when they are on the receiving end of a racial, ethnic or gender based slur.

As a result, in fury, I wrote in reply:

And you unfortunately remain a racist. When you decide name calling is not a form of argument. So will I.

As far as I can tell the things you complain about like taxes, food stamps and unemployment are good things to do since your idol GWB ruined the economy. No competent economist, even conservative ones, believes we work our way out of the mess your good friends put us into by cutting food stamps. Try thinking for yourself for a change instead of relying on Rush and the others blowing smoke into your brains.

I have not sent it yet. As I said I like the guy.

So, I ask: Should I send it? Should I ignore it? Or, do you have something better?


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  •  I have the same friends. (7+ / 0-)

    It's no use. They will not listen to reason. They love hating Obama. All you'll do is get between him and his lover (hating).

    I've decided to politely inform them that they are not up to the conversation. And I let them know that we either stop discussing the topic, or they can get new friends.

    They need to pay a price for ignorance.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 10:47:16 AM PDT

  •  My right wing relatives don't send me stuff (8+ / 0-)

    Before the 2008 election my mom was sending anti Obama stuff that was utterly baseless so I had to finally inform her that if she was to send one more of those ridiculous emails, I'd add her to my spam folder and be done with it.  

    Around the time of the 2009 ACA debate, after she sent false information about the Canadian health care system, I had to remind her of my threat again. The ironic part was that I was living in Canada at the time, a country she had never been to.

    Her Facebook status updates were nothing but right wing propaganda so I finally blocked her. Many of her friends also requested she cool it on posting that stuff, but she ignored everyone.  

    After the 2012 election, I finally removed all right wing relatives from my facebook friends list because I was tired of their hateful commentary and Faux News flavored viewpoints.  Facebook to me is meant to be fun and it became way more enjoyable to see my news feed w/o right wing crap in it.

    My mom has actually gone so far down the Beck/Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh vortex of craziness that we no longer speak and she's alienated other family members.

    Right wingism is not just a bad political philosophy, it's pretty much a mental illness.

  •  "San Francisco style" (2+ / 0-)

    You know, one of the wealthiest and most prosperous cities in the history of planet earth.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 11:04:35 AM PDT

  •  No (1+ / 0-)
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    Tinfoil Hat

    two wrongs don't make a right


    lot of wrongs make up the right wing.

    Hatriots cannot be reached with facts, and a rude response justifies their hatred for those who do not agree with them.

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 11:42:22 AM PDT

  •  a friendly reminder (1+ / 0-)
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    From the Thomas Mann / Norman Ornstein Article:

    The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.
    Republicans often dismiss nonpartisan analyses of the nature of problems and the impact of policies when those assessments don’t fit their ideology.

    I don't think republicans are truly crazy, but have you ever had any experience with somebody who is mentally ill and delusional??

    You can start at the very beginning of whatever they are delusional about, walk them very carefully thru the facts of the matter and then at the end they go right back to their delusion.

    This is because "Sane people base their feelings on facts and mentally ill people base their facts on feelings"

    However really ever since the rights chop job on George McGovern back in ' 72 their path to victory has always been not on their policies but on making the public dislike the other candidate at the gut level.  

    Any time a candidate has tried to challenge the democrats on the issues they have lost.

  •  Don't send it (0+ / 0-)

    if you want to keep his friendship.

    "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

    by RenMin on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 12:18:56 PM PDT

  •  Don't bother sending him anything--just let him (0+ / 0-)

    scroll off the screen of your life.  Its one thing to discuss issues with  people who have views different from our own; its another thing (wasteful thing) to respond again and again to propaganda you've seen before.

  •  If you truly like him... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...don't call him a racist. Hopefully because of your friendship you can convey how you were offended personally to what he said. Just a thought.

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 02:26:50 PM PDT

  •  Don't send it. (0+ / 0-)

    Especially calling him a racist. This could end your dialogue and friendship.

    Try to keep your cool and answer him with facts. In the long run, that will have more of an impact than incendiary posts.

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    by JamieG from Md on Sat Sep 28, 2013 at 06:44:42 AM PDT

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