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Subsidized, regulated health insurance is EXACTLY like rape. Of course.
If you're a loyal Daily Kos reader, you might by now have seen mention of the commercials recently made by an organization that dubs itself Generation Opportunity. These ads seek to undermine the Affordable Care Act by scaring the millennial generation upon which the success of the resultant exchanges will largely depend away from the program. One of these ads makes its point by featuring a grotesque Uncle Sam on the verge of administering a gynecological exam to a young patient, while another depicts that same Uncle Sam strapping on a glove to administer a rectal exam. The not-so-subtle message of these commercials, of course, is that signing up for a plan on a health insurance exchange is tantamount to being raped by the federal government.

Sen. Cruz's epic tantrum this week notwithstanding, the truth about the Affordable Care Act is far more mundane: The plans in question are administered by private companies, and the role played by the federal government is generally limited to subsidizing the cost of plans, regulating what they must cover and at what cost, and using the tax code to create incentives for people to obtain insurance and for employers to provide it. Witnessing a Koch-funded front group peddle falsehoods to the American public is nothing new. Watching them betray their own principles in the process, however, is something different altogether.

Please continue below the fold for the full story.

As Joan McCarter has pointed out, there's a certain irony and hypocrisy in a conservative group using "rape-by-government" imagery to attack a signature Democratic achievement. Conservative legislatures and governors across the country, after all, have seen no problem with mandating an invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedure before obtaining a legal abortion, regardless of whether a woman or her doctor believe such a procedure is medically necessary. When it suits a particular convenience—that of making a legal abortion as difficult as possible to obtain—conservatives seem to take pride in using the power of government actually forcing women to have their private parts penetrated against what otherwise would be their will.

While that discrepancy could be attributed to the perhaps temporary supremacy of the theocratic wing of conservatism over the economic one, all sides of the conservative moment love to preach about the ethic of personal responsibility. Conservative opposition to social welfare programs is often rooted in the idea that the existence of such programs encourages those who use them to abdicate personal responsibility for their own lives in favor of being taken care of by handouts from government entities. Conservatives could reasonably make the same argument regarding those with no health insurance: We, as a society, are generally unwilling to let the uninsured die from a catastrophic illness or injury regardless of their ability to pay, and the resulting costs are then passed onto society as a whole. Those who are insured, meanwhile, could be seen in this worldview to have taken personal responsibility for their lives, and are thus not being a larger burden to society.

And yet, the ads by Generation Opportunity seek to achieve the exact opposite outcome: telling the healthy young people upon whom the exchanges depend for solvency to forgo getting insurance and live with the risk of being uninsured instead:

Their message: You don’t have to sign up for Obamacare. And they want students to sign a pledge not get insurance plans set up by the law.

“What we’re trying to communicate is, 'No, you’re actually not required to buy health insurance,'” Generation Opportunity President Evan Feinberg told Yahoo News in an interview about the campaign. “You might have to pay a fine, but that’s going to be cheaper for you and better for you.”

Under the law, those who do not sign up for health insurance in 2014 will be required to pay $95 or one percent of household income through the Internal Revenue Service. The fine will increase after that. Generation Opportunity activists will try to convince young people that it’s better for them to pay the fine, even if it means lacking coverage.

Why would a conservative group seek to encourage people to make irresponsible choices? As David Atkins wrote, the stakes actually couldn't be higher:
But not so today. Today, Republicans have placed all their chips against the Affordable Care Act. Not for a generation or more will Republicans be able to credibly claim to voters that they want to "protect" Obamacare, after voting 42 times to repeal it. Nor for a generation or more will they be able to credibly praise President Obama compared to, say, a presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren if she promotes true single-payer healthcare. It's hard, after all, to claim that there's anyone worse than the Communist Kenyan AntiChrist. Nor again will it be possible to "rebrand" Obamacare as anything other than Democratic President Barack Hussein Obama's healthcare plan.

No, the battle lines here are set. Either Republicans make the President's signature healthcare plan a failure, or Republicans see their brand badly tarnished as voters are reminded daily of the positive effects of a healthcare plan Republicans opposed, enacted by a President Republicans despised, bearing that President's own name.

Repealing, defunding and sabotaging Obamacare isn't an ideological statement by Republicans now so much as a survival mechanism.

The Affordable Care Act will not be repealed until and unless the Republican Party seizes control of both the presidency and both chambers, and the earliest that can happen is in 2017. The exchanges will have long been operational and familiar to the American public at that point. Republicans have staked their reputation on hatred for health insurance reform, and one of their only reasonable path forward in absence of prospects to repeal the law is to figure out how to make it fail. And movement conservatives will resort to violating every single principle they have in search of that outcome.
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  •  The following may date me, but (42+ / 0-)

    I remember growing up when Uncle Sams image was sort of a patriotic older wise man, associated with the flag and used to invoke a sense of duty to country.

    Now conservatives are portraying Uncle Sam as a pervy Dr./rapist...  Today's conservative is not what they used to be.

    I am the neo-con nightmare, I am a liberal with the facts.

    by bhfrik on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:38:07 AM PDT

  •  And the best part about Atkins's assessment? (30+ / 0-)

    Republicans THEMSELVES attached Obama's name to the law, thanks to the sneering rejoinder they repeated ad nauseum.

    In the future, when teatrollers whine about how hard elections have become for the GOP in some places, this shall be my response:

    You believe in personally responsibility and being accountable for your actions, don't you? Your party voted to repeal the law over 40 times, took it to the Supreme Court and lost, lost an election centered around it, and then TRIED TO BRING THE COUNTRY TO A GRINDING HALT rather than accept defeat. Stop acting as if you're - dare I say it - ENTITLED to everyone's vote and accept that your party's actions have consequences.

  •  Obama's Waterloo??? Ha Ha Ha. (9+ / 0-)

    Look's more like Gooper McConnell's Titanic.

    Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

    by olo on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:47:17 AM PDT

  •  Interesting the party that mandated intra-vaginal (27+ / 0-)

    exam are now claiming similar bodily invasion by the ACA and probly a dose of Hitler invading Poland while we're at it.

    Talk about projection!

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

    by TerryDarc on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:48:44 AM PDT

    •  Another Koch hypocracy (5+ / 0-)
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      David Koch was diagnosed with prostrate cancer in 1992. Since then he's donated $125,000,000 to MIT for cancer research.  Obviously he received the best medical care that money can buy. Yet here he is, backing ads urging young people to opt out of Obamacare.  It's just plain evil.

      This guy is the only person I can think of who I wish ended up with erectile dysfunction. But with his medical care he's probably one of the 33% who escape this fate.

      Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

      by Helpless on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:30:41 AM PDT

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    •  Also interesting coming from the party (4+ / 0-)
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      whose candidates claim rape isn't all that bad (Aikin, Murdock, etc.).

      A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

      by METAL TREK on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:52:29 AM PDT

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    •  Ya gotta understand (0+ / 0-)

      At least in the video I saw, it was a man who was going to get 'the treatment' from Uncle Sam.

      They clearly believe that having the government stick plastic thingies up your hoohaa is just something that should happen to women. But for men it's an outrage.

      I wish I were kidding.

      •  There's also a version of the ad (0+ / 0-)

        where it's a woman and the Uncle Sam is a gynecologist.

        So they're perfectly happy to claim (and stir up) outrage over the government sticking plastic thingies up your hoohah in order to scare people about Obamacare, while advocating precisely that in another context.

  •  Are you surprised? (10+ / 0-)

    Projection is the universal defense mechanism for teatrollers.

  •  Can these people (11+ / 0-)

    stop talking about rape for thirty seconds?

    This kind of rhetoric is absolutely the bottom of the barrel and makes it clear that there is no kind of ability to debate or think critically about any kind of issue.  It certainly betrays the fact they have no understanding of a very complex situation and the various philosophies behind models of care delivery.

  •  Tsk, Tsk, Tsk (19+ / 0-)

    How can you berate the Conservative Republicans for betraying their principles. That's just who they are.

         A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

          The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

          Replies the scorpion: "It is my nature..."

    "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

    by midnight lurker on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:54:00 AM PDT

    •  Exactly right. (7+ / 0-)

      The real point is that conservative have no principles! They only have this week's talking points which they will try to use to gain political power, and if the talking points for this week don't work, they will change to talking points next week. It's exactly like the European Communist Parties in the late 30's who were notified by Moscow to reverse position and did so - unanimously - literally overnight in the late 1930's.

      The fact that the "conservatives" all spout the same so-called principles this week is merely a propaganda effort to get others to join them and hand them power. The apparent unanimity is the result of a strong internal hierarchy, not of the strength of their principles.

      In fact the conservatives are reading Lenin for the techniques of taking control of government. It has nothing to do with "conservative principles" which in reality ceased to matter as a driving force in political circles years ago.

      The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:09:10 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. Along these lines . . . (10+ / 0-)

        Everyone should read Krugman's introductory chapter in The Great Unravelling, which lays out specifically and in detail how today's Republican party is a totally new phenomenon in American politics -- not a political party as understood in the past, but a radical revolutionary movement more akin to the Bolsheviks in Russia prior to the revolution.  That's why they can't compromise and are willing to destroy the country in order to "save" it.  Of course, the book was published in the early 2000s, but the trends cited by Krugman have only become more pronounced and obvious.

        It is important that we get this message out to the general public.  Most casual observers assume that they are like your father's Republicans, maybe a bit more conservative but still a mainstream political party.  Only if people become aware of their radicalism -- and I don't mean their radical policies, which are bad enough, but the far worse radicalism of their means (willingness and even eagerness to undermine all of our traditional political institutions, and democracy itself) -- can we respond in the appropriate manner.  Because, when faced with such a threat to our democracy, the appropriate response is not compromise, or reasoning, or  negotiation.  The only appropriate response is to overpower them and destroy them (politically, of course -- I'm in no way advocating violence).  If we do not do this and soon, we are in deep trouble, because in politics the pendulum inevitably swings.  (For proof, you need look no further than Bush's "election" after 8 years of peace and prosperity -- no matter how good things are, at some point the electorate gets restless and wants a change; and of course, things aren't all that great now.)  Normally, the pendulum swing can, in a big picture way, be viewed as beneficial -- one party goes too far or runs out of energy, and the other party comes into power as a corrective.  But we don't have that situation now.  The other party, the Republicans, is not a corrective.  It is a radical revolutionary movement dead set on destroying all the political and economic advances of the 20th century and returning to a golden era of laissez faire robber barons.  And the danger is that once they get their hands on the reins of power, it will be virtually impossible to tear them loose.  They have proven that they have no inhibitions about fixing elections, suppressing votes, and overturning venerable precedents to gain or stay in power.

        Am I being paranoid?  I don't think so.  I think I'm being realistic.  What I fear is not 1984 or Stalinism -- I fear the early stages of the Roman empire, where Augustus claimed that he "restored" the Roman republic, maintaining or reestablishing, and in some case even strengthening, the democratic forms, while assuming autocratic power and instituting authoritarian rule.  

        "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

        by RenMin on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:53:47 AM PDT

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        •  Absolutely. (6+ / 0-)
          not a political party as understood in the past, but a radical revolutionary movement
          I don't think you're being one bit paranoid. These people ARE radicals and they are attempting a bloodless civil war. And I don't think that's hyperbole.

          They lost the election and they do not accept that as a boundary they can't cross. They seek to implement their agenda without the approval of the electorate. This is what revolutionaries do, for better or worse. And in this case, it's for the very worse, in every way I can think of.

          When I see the polls that say folks will blame both sides if the government closes down, well that's when my heart sinks to my toes and I think "wake up America!" before it's too late.

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:11:14 PM PDT

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        •  Sara Robinson did a good job labeling it Fascism (1+ / 0-)
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          I think she first published this in  Dave Neiwert's Orcinus. She referred to Robert O. Paxton who has researched it carefully.

          For myself, I keep looking at the corporate funders and their anti-labor movement and recalling my history readings about the similar organization in Italy and in Germany before WW II.

          Don't forget that General Electric created Ronald Reagan as a politician starting with his TV show in the 50's and most of his high staff were corporate PR people. The Reagan administration was rather accurately characterized as a take over of government by PR firms.

          If you are being paranoid, so am I. But the evidence is there.

          When the generation that fought WW II left office, the memory of what Fascism means left with them. Wealthy authoritarian anti-union and anti-worker industrialists and the fundamentalist xtians who support them do not understand what they are creating. And Roger Aisles....

          The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

          by Rick B on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 03:53:44 PM PDT

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      •  Genuine conservatives do have principles. (0+ / 0-)

        The current Republican party doesn't share them.  It just pretends to.

    •  conservative? principles? (8+ / 0-)

      Oxymoron! That was my first thought, after I finished the piece.  Certainly one would expect a principled conservative to ascribe to some logically consistent positions, but that ain't who we're dealing with here.  People who would blow up the world economy because (1) there's a black impostor in the White House (2) the Koch Bros. & the "Club for Growths" told them they should and (3) they miss the Fifties are not conservative by any definition. And the current crop of 'Publican pols think principles are another leftist plot, like compassion or honesty (intellectual or otherwise).  

      When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick." ~ Mikhail Bakunin

      by Sick Semper on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:11:40 AM PDT

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      •  These are their principles (1+ / 0-)
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        According to the transcript of the secretly recorded tape, Charles Koch was chuckling like a six-year old. Koch was having a hell of a laugh over pilfering a few hundred dollars' worth of oil from a couple of dirt-poor Indians on the Osage Reservation.

        Why did Koch, worth about $3 billion at the time (now $20 billion) need to boost a few bucks from some Indian in a trailer home? Koch answered:

        "I want my fair share – and that's all of it."

        Reasonable suspicion? How can being wrong 98.6% of the time ever be reasonable?

        by happymisanthropy on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:46:01 PM PDT

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    •  Isn't it scorpion and the turtle? (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Actually (Since You Made Me Look It Up) (0+ / 0-)
        Aesop's fable [The Frog and the Mouse] was current in the East during medieval times and [was] told at great length … as an example of the dangers of unequal friendship.

        At about the same time, a different version concerning a scorpion and a tortoise [...] emerged […] The scorpion asks the tortoise to carry it across a stream and promises that it will do no harm. When the tortoise discovers that the scorpion is trying to drive its sting through his shell, he dives and drowns the treacherous insect.

        The earliest verifiable appearance of [the] variant [The Scorpion and the Frog] was in the 1954 script of Orson Welles' film Mr Arkadin. On account of its dark morality, there have been many popular references since then.


        "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

        by midnight lurker on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 11:22:18 AM PDT

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  •  Ya know.... (22+ / 0-)

    I had an interesting conversation with an older conservative friend recently.  He's been a republican in the past and usually it's best if we don't talk politics.
    He's an old friend and though we don't see eye to eye on most politics, we agree on many other things.
    He's disgusted by the current 'R's mis-information about the ACA, but he was absolutely dumbfounded that anyone, most of all legislators (who have the opportunity to help folks without healthcare get it), would actually deny healthcare to fellow Americans, basing their denials on flimsy lies.
    He simply doesn't understand how anyone with a conscience could dismiss a huge segment of the population as not worthy of healthcare, which is essentially what the 'R's (taken hostage by the crazy Teabaggies) are proposing.
    He was thoroughly disgusted at the miserably selfish ideological callousness of the 'R's towards their constituents and to their fellow Americans.
    More and more former reasonable republicans are feeling this way.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 10:56:38 AM PDT

    •  Similar story ... (15+ / 0-)

      One of my delusional southern relatives posted an anti-ACA screed, to which I responded with some facts. Then in a private FB email, one of her friends emailed me with a very real question about a very real medical/insurance question. To paraphrase the emailer, her health was too important to get buried by hyperbole, and could I just give her the facts.  She didn't know me from Adam, but respected that I might actually have some FACTS.  And I did, and shared with her, and I think calmed some of her anxieties.  These are the types of interactions that will erode the support of the crazy - there are folks with real issues who need real answers - and when they get those answers they will slowly see the truth.

      •  Exactly.... (6+ / 0-)
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        And that's why the crazy branch of the 'R's who have the loudest megaphone right now, as bullies usually do, don't want the ACA coming to fruition.
        Once people actually have it and get real, honest, answers and receive reasonable and affordable medical care, the ACA is going to be well liked.
        Everyone is scared of new things, especially when lots of people (like their elected officials) lie like rugs about it and tell them to be afraid, very afraid.  The scared people aren't gonna believe 'the enemy'.  Until they start receiving care and realize for themselves, hey, this is good AND affordable.
        Then, the crazy 'R' tea baggies will be toast.  And they know it.

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:24:16 AM PDT

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      •  Which is why (1+ / 0-)
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        it is incumbent upon every one of us here to try and inform as many people as we can of the facts regarding the ACA. Word of mouth is free, and can work amazingly well against the power of big money.
        I'm impressed that you were able to calm the fears of your relative's friend Denver11. Well done and keep up the great work!

        "If not us, then who? If not now, then when?" Rep. John Lewis

        by Kimba on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 07:09:25 PM PDT

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    •  The tea partiers are elected to neuter the fed gov (7+ / 0-)

      They are a minority, but the rest of the Republicans know that there are committed tea partiers who will run in the primary if they don't toe the line.

      None of this is about a philosophy of governing. They aren't interested in governing.  They keep proving that. They are interested in removing the (undeserving) Democrats from power and replacing them with a right-wing band of idiots and greedy crooks.

      What they want is for power to flow back to the robber barons of the corporations, banks, and wealthy families who can control the states but cannot easily control the federal government. They are still angry about integration, women's rights (credit, fair divorce laws, the vote, contraception) and the similar advances for the LGBTQ community, They would reverse all that if they could also.

      Not something they will admit. But they are aging and the kids generally don't go along, so this is getting to be the last chance the older "conservatives" really have to reverse the social changes they hate.

      The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:20:03 AM PDT

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    •  That is why so many 'independents' (7+ / 0-)
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      skew more conservative in polls.  There are a lot of reasonable people with more conservative views who can't stomach what the GOP has become.  

    •  "He simply doesn't understand how anyone..." (4+ / 0-)
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      "...with a conscience..."

      See, there's the problem.

      "If you want me to treat your ideas with respect, get better ideas." John Scalzi

      by SoCalJayhawk on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:03:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yup.... (3+ / 0-)
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        Therefore it's time we got these conscience-less buffoons outta office.
        We have choices in life, and we do NOT need greedy outrageous ideologues nor loony crack-pot tea baggies as our legislators.
        We can defeat many of them in 2014.
        We've got to get this country going again.

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:21:58 PM PDT

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  •  The Rs will survive because they are like (8+ / 0-)

    Zombies. They always come back. They have evil & the evil 1% on their side.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:00:02 AM PDT

  •  I wonder if the ads are working. (10+ / 0-)

    Youth is only a distant memory, but I think that my response would been "Shouldn't that plastic pervert be orange?".  That, and, "What a bunch of creepy weirdos.  What's that ad about, anyway?".

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:02:37 AM PDT

  •  You said Republicans and principles in the... (10+ / 0-)

    same sentence.

    You made a funny... :p

    The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function [Albert A. Bartlett]

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:05:19 AM PDT

  •  Time to ramp up Occupy again..... (3+ / 0-)

    and this time take it to Government, especially if your in the D.C. area, which I wish I was, and show the GOP how unhappy we are with them, and then some!!!

  •  I had to dress down a teabagger recently who ... (9+ / 0-)

    ... was parroting the "This is socialized medicine!" knee-jerk protest (without, of course, having a clue what he was talking about).

    The plans in question are administered by private companies, and the role played by the federal government is generally limited to subsidizing the cost of plans, regulating what they must cover and at what cost, and using the tax code to create incentives for people to obtain insurance and for employers to provide it.
    I pointed out that "Obamacare" is still a for-profit corporation-based system, and that it refused to consider any true socialistic elements (like single-payer, or a government insurance option -- because of course insurance companies couldn't deal with the thought of real ... you know ... competition).

    I pointed out that "Obamacare" is basically a big handout to huge insurance companies -- hardly "socialism."  The government will help pay for people to get insurance from for-profit corporations.  In return for that, insurance companies were willing to put up with a bit more regulation.  

  •  Even a decade ago (5+ / 0-)
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    It seems the republicans were at least somewhat interested in helping the less fortunate, wrong as they were about the means and policies to do so. Now, they seem to be in full on cruelty mode, lashing out at anyone who is not part of their particular small minded group. When history is written about them years from now, people are going to be shaking their heads at how they could be so vicious and nasty.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:10:45 AM PDT

  •  The Tawain News CGI animation (1+ / 0-)
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    enemy of the people

    They take english idioms and take them literally to occasional hilarious results

    These Coke brothers ads  are a live action Tawain News CGI animation

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:10:57 AM PDT

  •  Obamacare=Heritage Foundation Health Care= (8+ / 0-)

    Romney care.  (It's not socialized medicine like Medicare.)  

    It delivered 30,000,000 new customers to the insurance coroprations.

    Teabaggers won't let Facts or TRUTH get in their way of demonizing the president because they're racists.  (Just like they didn't accept his borth certtificate proving he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.)

  •  Funniest ads this year (0+ / 0-)

    The Obamacare ads are presumably aimed at young unmarrieds who have not had insurance (if they had it, they will be keeping it). The vast majority of them will get a major hoot from these things.

  •  Hmmm, actually, it's kind of Darwinism at its best (5+ / 0-)

    Those people deluded enough to forego having health insurance at Republican behest will end up in debt more often, and dead sooner.  Republicans are trying to kill off the next generation of Republicans.

  •  More irony ... (3+ / 0-)
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    SuWho, Matt Z, Dave925

    Where are republicans on the creeping surveillance state? When it comes to that Uncle Sam is somehow a benevolent protector.

  •  it was not that long ago (3+ / 0-)

    When every white old person I talked to complained about how their insurance company would not pay for complicated expensive care.  In one case, there was a true wingnut who would always tell me how the insurance company would not pay for his brothers experimental cancer treatment, and it was only through an NIH study that his brother was getting care.

    As soon as black many became president and passed a law, all that changed.  The insurance companies were the angels and the government, who saved this man life, was the villain.

    People who are retiring today are shooting themselves in the foot, and I am not sure if I am going to have much sympathy for them when they do not have the care to manage their aging bodies.  Yes, we are tricking young people.  Yes, like the depression and social security, we have to trick them because their elders were irresponsible spend thrifts wasted their money on prostitutes, multiple spouses, and drugs.  So the young people are being asked to put a bit more in to help their drug addicted grandparents.  It happens.  Deal with it.

  •  If I had young children at home (6+ / 0-)

    I would not let them watch TV unsupervised.  The images in these commercials are beyond creepy, they're terrifying and I would not wish any child to be exposed to them.

  •  Shutdown (2+ / 0-)
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    There seems to be some comfort in the observation that a government shutdown doesn't ipso facto defund ACA. But isn't that a bit of sophistry itself? After all, Republicans are using the government shutdown and default as a cudgel to exact their demands on ACA and other issues. It's all-purpose. So they have created a very real connection between a shutdown and defunding ACA.

    An analogy would be the kidnapper who threatens to kill the victim unless a ransom is given. One might say that killing the victim doesn't get the kidnappers their ransom, but the threat certainly might.

  •  Seeing the light (1+ / 0-)
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    I think most reasonable young people (excluding the brainwashed Fox young conservatives) understand that even though they may be in excellent health, accidents happen.  And when they see how cheap they can buy insurance, will jump right into Obama Care.  

    The difference between a moment and a movement is sacrifice.

    by rlharry on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:33:46 AM PDT

  •  What principle? They had principle? (1+ / 0-)
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    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 11:51:42 AM PDT

  •  One problem... (1+ / 0-)
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    Why is Uncle Sam WHITE?  It's obviously not the president so who's the guy (figuratively) supposed to be that's giving the exam?

    (Republicans really didn't think this through, did they?)

  •  Betraying their principles is not half as bad as (3+ / 0-)
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    betraying America, which they do over and over and over.

    Conservatism is a blight.

    You don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt, you hayseed. You need a curveball!

    by GoBlue08 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:22:10 PM PDT

  •  I hate Obamacare / Affordable Care Act. (0+ / 0-)

    However despicable the right wingers may be, however much good Obamacare may do for thousands of people who want affordable health insurance, I DESPISE it and I will NEVER get it.  I would rather die (quite literally, yes, I know) than be led in (metaphorical) chains to some insurance company so it can make more money.

    It would be no more expensive--probably far less expensive--to just give Americans free health clinics.  Give us free health clinics that we can just go to and where we can present our Social Security card and get treated.  Health clinics and all hospitals and medical offices would have reasonable, government-enforced costs and expenses.  Not just more insurance middlemen and greedhead doctors and drug companies and technology companies trying to SWINDLE us all.

    Obamacare is nothing but a rip off designed to keep medical costs high and keep us all in thrall to corporations.  It's not much different than the right-wing idea of gutting retirement accounts and Social Security and forcing us all to get accounts with the stock brokerages which, like the insurance companies, always have the best interests of the poor and downtrodden at heart.

    •  Your rant makes no logical sense. (1+ / 0-)
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      With all due respect, I have to ask you who will fund these free health clinics that you're advocating? What is your idea of a reasonable expense to see a doctor, and do you honestly believe that any medical practitioner will work for low wages? Personally, I would never expect any doctor who has spent at least seven years of his life studying for his degree to work for anything close to a minimum wage. What about the equipment needed to run these clinics; none of it comes cheaply and who do you expect to pay for it? Who will pay for the building itself and for it's upkeep? Let's not forget about property taxes, should they come out of the doctor's salary if he's working on the cheap? Support staff also have to be paid, should they also work for next to nothing?
      If you honestly believe that insurance is nothing but a rip off, can I assume that you drive your car without coverage? Do you live without fire insurance? Health care insurance is no different than either. It protects you from experiencing extreme financial hardship if you become ill, and helps to pay for you to remain healthy. The ACA contains provisions that limit insurance companies ability to spend your premiums on anything but your care (I believe they are allowed to use 20% only to cover their overhead expenses) How could that ever be viewed as a bad thing?
      I know I've asked you a lot of questions, but it's because your rant has left me very confused.

      "If not us, then who? If not now, then when?" Rep. John Lewis

      by Kimba on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 07:49:21 PM PDT

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  •  Why the fascination with dark damp places ... (0+ / 0-)

    like vaginas and rectums?

    I get it ...

    They're troglodytes ...

    aren't they!

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 12:53:51 PM PDT

  •  The 2016 Presidential Campaign (2+ / 0-)
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    Had a conversation with a Republican neighbor today, and the actual conversation was longer, but here's the relevant part:

    My neighbor:   "As soon as we seize control of all three branches of government, in 2017, we're ripping out Obamacare by the roots!   We're gutting it!"

    Me:  "Wait a second here.   By 2017, it will have been in place for three years.   What about the millions of people who will have purchased insurance on the exchanges in 2014, 2015, and 2016?"

    My neighbor (becoming hysterical):  "F--K them!   We're gutting Obamacare as soon as we get control!   If you've got Obamacare, f--k you!"

    There you have it, folks.   This is without a doubt the Republican presidential campaign for 2016 -- if you have health insurance, f-- you.   Republicans are coming to take it away.   If you die without health insurance, that's YOUR problem.   The Republicans don't care.

  •  I feel sorry for any woman (2+ / 0-)
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    or man who has PTSD or very bad memories from a sexual assault and is subjected to these ads.  I'd make the case that many of us will start associating that level of fear with the ACA and that is what the Kochs are paying for.

    Its actually hard for many of us to undergo a routine ob/gyn or prostate exam without stirring some very destructive memories of ill use and lack of autonomy.

    Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

    by barbwires on Sun Sep 29, 2013 at 04:11:38 PM PDT

  •  Republican Principles? (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with every word of this piece until the final sentence.  The GOP no longer has any principles that I have been able to find.  They want an end to "big government" and "unnecessary regulation" in their lives, but if it's my life. . . .   If I am a woman who wants to legally marry another woman, if I want a legal abortion, if I want to vote without waiting in line for 8 hours or being hassled for my "guvmint issued" ID, or if I want my child to be taught (gasp) science in his public school, then no amount of government interference (regulation) is too much.  They are the biggest bunch of hypocrites ever put on this planet!  Fortunately for them there are apparently a barrel full  of really stupid people in this country who would rather listen to the ramblings of a nutjob like Glenn Beck or a self-serving megalomaniac like Ted Cruz than think for themselves. And let's not forget the second barrel of bigots who make up a large part of their contingent.  Fortunately for us they are also too stupid to realize that they are destroying themselves and we will be watching their sorry remnants slink back into the caves from whence they came after the circus that will be the Republican presidential primaries.

  •  Article (0+ / 0-)

    It's called "KICKBACKS"!

  •  Healthcare Law Republican Opposition (0+ / 0-)

    The objections are so pathetic were they less vicious & venal they would be merely pathetic.  But these people are nihilists - the easy solution is raise some taxes, suspend some of the more egregious corporate deductions (like outsourcing jobs or deducting mgt expenses associated with revenues generated off shore & not taxed); cap some deductions such as those on residential mortgage interest; cancel taxpayer subsidies for farmers revenue stop loss insurance.

    The list goes on.  It'll drive the faux GOP nihilists nuts.  Come to think of it, what about a Richard Nixon inspired income tax surcharge to retire debt associated with Iraq War, unfunded medicare drug plan & medicare advantage subsidies for insurance and the temporary income tax reductions.

  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    "Why would a conservative group seek to encourage people to make irresponsible choices?"

    That's all the GOP as ever done! They encouraged banksters to act irresponsibly. What else is new.

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