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This is a short diary, mostly to ask a question of the history mavens in the crowd. To wit:

Has there ever been a time in world history when a political group that lost the last election has taken the whole government hostage to force their agenda on the government?

I know the Republicans have blamed the messenger (and not the message) for their loss in 2012, but I have wondered if this same sort of shutdown has ever occurred anywhere. Is this something that would happen in third world countries? I've seen overthrows of governments, but not shutdowns.

Any one?

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  •  Tip Jar (0+ / 0-)

    I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

    by woolibaar on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 10:23:05 AM PDT

  •  Republicans did not "lose" (0+ / 0-)

    the House, which is why they can shut down the government.

    But don't worry, they ALWAYS fold and take the fall.

  •  The 2012 Election resulted in divided government (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats won the President and Senate.  Republicans won the House.

    This is what divided government looks like.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 10:32:41 AM PDT

  •  problem is that our form of government is (0+ / 0-)

    relatively new, compared to other forms such as monarchy, oligarchy, dictatorship, etc. so there are only a very few nations which would have the structure for this to happen.  What happens in most modern parliamentarian governments is the government would fall and elections would be called.  Our constitution does not allow this.

    However it has been pointed out by various pundits that this shut-down is the third in history and the other two were in much more prosperous times so we are truly in uncharted waters here.

  •  I think these assholes (0+ / 0-)

    are in a class all by themselves.  I do not think in the history of homo sapiens (even Neanderthal's) does this kind of ideology exist or has existed.  You can blame this on global warming or too much gluten or just too damn much money, whatever the case, these bozo heads are a species of their own (take a look at Louie Gohmert if you do not believe).  Let us all try to make them extinct in the next cycles.

  •  Interestingly the Confederate States Didn't. (0+ / 0-)

    They just left.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 10:56:59 AM PDT

  •  1995 (0+ / 0-)

    newt gingrich threw his temper tantrum and shut the government down because he couldn't get his way.  Not so sure it was to force the entire publican agenda down the throat of the country, since there was an election coming up soon, but there were parts he wanted to implement without the bother of an election to get in the way.  

    He paid for it, as will happen this time too.  Hopefully the price to be paid will be much steeper this time around.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 12:26:33 PM PDT

  •  It has not occurred to most people (0+ / 0-)

    that having no government at all -- a complete shutdown -- was that good of an idea. (I actually don't think the current crew wants that either; they really want a government that does the bidding of the 1% and shovels money as fast as possible in their direction, while starving out the 99% and maintaining total worldwide hegemony. But they can't say that, so they demand no government at all.)

    Somalia is the only place that comes to mind where the people in de facto control want no government at all. It's not exactly a model I'd want to emulate.

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