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This is just a brief follow-up to my diaries yesterday and the day before about the SpaceX Falcon 9 v. 1.1 launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base, in case you haven't been following it.  I came across a truly amazing video of the launch, and that's saying a lot given how many launch videos I've seen.  You'll want to go full screen HD on this one - the most interesting parts come later, so watch the whole thing:

The pencil-thin rocket rising above the horizon is surreal, and the image in the tracking shot is so clear you can see the individual puffs of gas during staging events.  Just wanted to share that.  Brightened the hell out of my day.

Originally posted to Troubadour on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:03 PM PDT.

Also republished by Astro Kos and Pink Clubhouse.

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  •  Thinnest rocket I have ever seen. (5+ / 0-)

    Isn't sciennce wonderful and cool?

    Thank you. :)

    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:13:05 PM PDT

  •  When they are able to build their own facilities (1+ / 0-)
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    Then they say it a success ,as long as the taxpayer subsidies these launches  

    •  ? (1+ / 0-)
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      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:41:30 PM PDT

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    •  I'm amazed by how many Kossacks support a guy.. (0+ / 0-)

      ..whose firm, Tesla, depends on HUGE transfers from the poor to the rich.

      The struggling family in East LA has to pay more for his car so that Ellison in NorCal can buy his taxpayer subsidized Tesla.

      And even car buyers outside of California are negatively impacted by Tesla.  Ford had to buy its part of 120M in emissions tax credit from Tesla during 1H13.  That is, working and middle-class households had to pay 120M more for their cars than they otherwise would, courtesy of a government mandated transfer to Tesla.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

      by PatriciaVa on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:42:18 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, it's terrible that the government spends (10+ / 0-)

        money on things which they believe takes the country in the direction it should. It's terrible that that money makes it cheaper to buy stuff which is beneficial to the economy and environment as a whole. It should all be left to private enterprise to handle because without doubt they are much more efficient at turning a profit. Just look at drug research and health care, for example.

        'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

        by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:50:13 PM PDT

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      •  Fact is, dollars are not good to eat. What's (7+ / 0-)

        important is that dollars circulate through the economy and, certainly, whether it's a rocket or a car that is being built, the dollars go out in wages and continue moving. Not so the dollars the Wall Street hoarders pass back and forth amongst each other like so many volley balls.
        Money is like language. One person's use of it does not reduce another's ability to use it. However, just as speech can be restricted by cutting out someone's tongue, exchange and trade of goods and services can be severely interrupted by artificially rationing the medium of exchange.
        Why would Congress, the body tasked with managing the currency, want to do that? It makes them feel important.

      •  What the hell are you talking about? (10+ / 0-)

        Tesla repaid its government loans a decade early and is single-handedly reenergizing the American automotive market, not to mention initiating a new Industrial Revolution by fusing the electronics and automotive industries.  You don't know what you're talking about, and yet you routinely post comments like this about Tesla that have nothing to do with reality.

        Always apart, always asking Why.

        by Troubadour on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:02:18 PM PDT

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        •  When it comes to clean energy, too many... (0+ / 0-)

          Kossacks lose their objectivity.

          (i) When did I mention a government loan?  Please read more carefully.

          (ii) Please research the 2,500 rebate provided to the likes of Larry Ellison by the state of California to buyers of electric vehicles.  This is in addition to the 7,500 federal tax credit, another transfer from the rich to the poor.

          (iii) Please research who buys EVs, according to the State of California.  You'll see that the average household income is 150k per year.

          (iv) Please research zero emissions credits, and how they impact the non EV car buyer.

          I don't know what I'm talking about?  My BA from The Farm and MBA from HBS would suggest otherwise.

          I would argue that those of you who believe income and wealth inequality is a huge problem but simultaneously support policies that exacerbate said inequalities don't know what you're talking about.

          Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

          by PatriciaVa on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:25:33 PM PDT

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          •  How the fuckety fuck is a clean energy tax credit (7+ / 0-)

            designed to save the fucking world a bad thing?

            The average buyers of EVs are rich now because the technology is not entirely mature, but Tesla's plan is building toward cheaper and larger-market vehicles.  You've been told this before.

            Your comments on Tesla read like that fake NY Times article.

            Always apart, always asking Why.

            by Troubadour on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:41:02 PM PDT

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          •  Your comment re: who buys EVs... (6+ / 0-)

            is nonsensical.

            Who bought the very first automobiles? Who were the first customers of commercial trans-Atlantic flights?

            How did those two luxuries (at the time) become affordable to the general public?

            Answer those, then we'll talk about the value of your BA and MBA.

            'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

            by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:41:26 PM PDT

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            •  The 747, coupled with Carter-era deregulation, ... (0+ / 0-)

              ..resulted in affordable air fares.  If we still had government-approved tariffs, as before deregulation, commercial flight would still be a luxury.

              As to your argument regarding EVs, just how many years must a "nascent" industry be supported via government transfers from the poor to the rich?

              Furthermore, wouldn't that money be better spent on battery R&D instead of helping Larry Ellison buy a car?

              Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

              by PatriciaVa on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 05:44:30 PM PDT

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              •  The 747? No. Boeing would never have... (2+ / 0-)
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                gotten off the ground (sorry) without government contracts (aka public funds) from the military and mail. Without that initial money Boeing wouldn't exist today producing missiles and passenger planes.

                As to your argument regarding EVs, just how many years must a "nascent" industry be supported via government transfers from the poor to the rich?
                As long as it takes to shut down production of internal combustion powered vehicles and retooling for EVs. If companies like Ford (who haven't paid back the bailout money yet btw! - you know, taxpayer's money) don't like it, they can go broke.
                Furthermore, wouldn't that money be better spent on battery R&D instead of helping Larry Ellison buy a car?
                Who cares if Ellison gets a discount? Rising sales make Tesla profitable, and where do you think some of those profits go? Yes, that's right R&D.

                BTW, it's ironic that you should use Ellison as your poster boy for elitism.

                The airline is the latest trophy in Ellison's fast growing private empire. Last June, he purchased 98 percent of Lanai, an island of 141 square miles near Maui. Ellison told CNBC in October that he plans to turn the scenic isle into a "little laboratory" for sustainable development, with solar electricity, electric cars, water filtration systems and organic farms that can export produce to other countries.

                'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

                by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 06:33:45 PM PDT

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                •  Do you honestly believe that a man who bought a.. (0+ / 0-)

                  MIG-29 which he flies for fun cares about carbon emissions?

                  Hats off to his PR team.

                  Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

                  by PatriciaVa on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 06:47:33 PM PDT

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                  •  He also bought an entire airline... (1+ / 0-)
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                    which hops between the islands around 300 times a week which replaces diesel burning boat traffic (less emissions per passenger). There isn't a viable alternative to avgas yet, so I don't get your point.

                    Why do you hate Tesla and EVs?

                    'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

                    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 07:59:06 PM PDT

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          •  This is a good and proper function of Govt. (3+ / 0-)
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            Giving tax incentives to influence purchase decisions of leading edge technologies so that they can successfully enter the market against significant barriers to entry and entrenched markets is a very good thing.  And is a Keynesian practice whose importance has been long forgotten.

            This is one of the best ways to percolate wealth through the economy.

            There are specific reasons why we need to be stoking a non-fossil fuel based transportation system. Among them are the severe impact humans are having on the environment through the burning of fossil fuels for transportation and industry.  Also, the huge amounts of money we are wasting to defend oil supplies. That runs in the Trillions of dollars.

            By gaining self sufficiency in energy, we will gain massive amounts of prosperity because our money stays on these shores.

            --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

            by chipoliwog on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 05:09:09 PM PDT

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            •  "Stoking Non-Fossil fuel based transportation"? (0+ / 0-)

              You are aware that Musk, like the other environmental "hero", Richard Branson, is bankrolling a project to take the very wealthy on carbon-emitting joy rides to sub-space?

              I guess they believe some pigs are more equal than others.

              As to government tax incentives, let's focus on highest ROI: battery R&D.

              Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

              by PatriciaVa on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 05:49:33 PM PDT

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              •  Hydrogen? (1+ / 0-)
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                Burning hydrogen does what again?

                Further, if we want to get humanity into space, it takes pioneers.

                As for energy ROI, the Obama administration has indeed incentivized a whole new US based industry for battery design and production.

                --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

                by chipoliwog on Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 07:54:34 AM PDT

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    •  This launch was not subsidized in any way. (8+ / 0-)

      Nor was the Falcon 9 v. 1.1.  At least, no more than the government is subsidizing your foolish comment by providing infrastructure.

      Always apart, always asking Why.

      by Troubadour on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:00:58 PM PDT

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    •  Do you know why I'm confused by your... (5+ / 0-)

      comment? I'm confused because Tesla (as noted by Troubador) repaid the government LOAN early.

      Repeat:

      E...A...R...L...Y

      Tesla doesn't owe the taxpayer a plugged nickel, so you should think before posting in the future.

      In June 2009 Tesla was approved to receive US$465 million in interest-bearing loans from the United States Department of Energy. The funding, part of an US$8 billion program for advanced vehicle technologies (Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program), supports engineering and production of the Model S sedan, as well as the development of powertrain technology that Tesla plans to sell to other automakers. The low-interest loans are not related to the "bailout" funds that GM and Chrysler have received, nor are they related to the 2009 economic stimulus package. The Department of Energy loan program was created in 2007 during the George W. Bush administration in order to get more fuel-efficient vehicle options to U.S. consumers and to decrease the country's dependence on foreign oil. Tesla repaid the loan to the U.S. government, in full, in May 2013. Tesla is the first car company to have fully repaid the government, while Ford, Nissan and Fisker have not.

      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 03:33:31 PM PDT

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      •  PVA's point is that tax credits to Tesla BUYERS (0+ / 0-)

        have an adverse effect on other taxpayers who cannot afford a new electric car.

        I don't quite see the nexus between the Tesla buyer and the low-income family in East LA. I suspect that tax credits granted to California's oil industry dwarfs that given to EV buyers.

        The bulk of the EV tax credit is federal, not state, and they are available to customers of GM, Nissan and Honda too.

        But you have to wonder if a one-time $2500 tax credit really plays any part in the decision to buy a $90,000 automobile.

        Perhaps the tax-credit should be means-tested, but California's credit program is motivated more by clean-air issues that the desire to subsidize any particular industry or technology.

        The family in East LA does benefit, indirectly, from that.

        “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
        he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

        by jjohnjj on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 01:03:05 PM PDT

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  •  2nd stage pulses (1+ / 0-)
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    Anyone know what was going on there, just after separation? There were several pulsed groups. Reaction control? A sputtery Merlin engine?

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 07:33:59 PM PDT

    •  They were trying for 2nd stage relight. (1+ / 0-)
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      Didn't go off well, as far as I understand.  Don't know the details though, and they're probably being kept close to the vest for trade secret reasons.  That might also explain the choppiness of the official rocketcam video during the 2nd stage portion of the flight.

      The relights are a BFD.  They wouldn't want to let anything slip that would let, say, China deduce how to copy them.

      Always apart, always asking Why.

      by Troubadour on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 08:32:45 PM PDT

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