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Rep. Dan Maffei taking the oath of office with House Speaker John Boehner, January 2013.
Rep. Dan Maffei (R) taking oath of office with the guy he loves to "compromise" with.
Rep. Dan Maffei represents New York's 24th congressional district. He was first elected in 2008. Lost in the 2010 wave. And then won his seat back in 2012 in a post-redistricting shored-up districts.

He'd be a anonymous backbencher in a United States House full of them, except he stood out like a sore thumb the last couple of days, voting twice with Republicans to pass their continuing resolutions delaying Obamacare. He wasn't the only one. He was joined by Reps. Ron Barber (AZ), John Barrow (GA), Steven Horsford (NV), Sean Maloney (NY), Jim Matheson (UT), Mike McIntyre (NC), Raul Ruiz (CA) and Kyrsten Sinema (AZ). But let's look at the Obama share of the vote in their districts:

I'd argue that everyone above John Barrow has no excuse for voting with Republicans on those resolutions, but whatever. But Maffei? He won his district 57-41. What could possibly be his excuse?

The second-term congressman said he believes Democrats in both the House and Senate should have been willing to compromise with Republicans - rather than insisting on a "clean" standalone budget bill.
Ahh, it's the Democrats' fault for not letting Republicans hold the government and the world economy hostage! Thus, Maffei wants a "compromise", and the "compromise" he voted for was essentially killing Obamacare. What did Democrats get out of that deal, the one that locked in the budget at sequester-level spending (which is even lower than the first Paul Ryan bill)? Nothing, obviously. But darn it, it's the Democrats' fault!

Yes, Maffei is stupid. And if you needed further evidence:

Maffei said he didn't believe that the GOP bill - linking the budget to a one-year delay in the insurance mandate - was necessarily dead on arrival in the Senate, as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had promised.
No one believed the Senate would budge. Except, apparently, Maffei. But none of this should be a surprise, for a joker who spent his two years in between terms at Third Way (the successors to the DLC), and who spends his free time galavanting with the No Labels jokers:
.@RepDanMaffei says he's been working with fellow members of @NoLabels to pressure leadership to reach a compromise. #NY24 #shutdown
@robertharding
This is a solid Democratic district. It deserves better than Dan Maffei, and I hope local Democrats are looking for a serious primary challenger, because that's a battle I would eagerly join, and one I hope you would too.

Originally posted to kos on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:41 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  WTF happened to him? (2+ / 0-)
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    Senor Unoball, mrsgoo

    I don't remember him being this bad in his first term.

    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:43:33 AM PDT

    •  He was a liberal for his first term (10+ / 0-)

      ADA ratings 2009 100%, 2010 90%.  

      His district is based in Syracuse and used to elect Sherry Boehlert, the last moderate Republican.

      Maffei looked safe in 2010, but went down in the deluge by a narrow margin.

      DLC must have brainwashed him.  He voted with the GOP many times in 2010, made the list of the worst DINOs.

      Also deserving a primary: Sean Patrick Maloney in the Hudsoon Valley, who won back the seat that John Hall lost to TPer Nan Hayworth.

      Both Maffei and Maloney are targeted for protests starting this week until the crisis is resolved.  I hope that process generates a primary opponent for each.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:59:30 AM PDT

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    •  He is labled (R) in the image. (0+ / 0-)

      GOP Wars against: Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Immigrants, Mexicans, Blacks, Gays, Women, Unions, Workers, Unemployed, Voters, Elderly, Kids, Poor, Sick, Disabled, Dying, Lovers, Kindness, Rationalism, Science, Sanity, Reality.

      by SGWM on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:41:32 PM PDT

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  •  Really??? (10+ / 0-)

    We're eating our own Orange to Blue Candidates now?

    Was 2008 that long ago?

    These candidates are true friends of the netroots. They attend Netroots Nation, they post diaries here -- but more importantly, they're with us on the issues. We couldn't do better than to put Maffei, Massa, and Powers in Congress. --DKos Front Page

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:48:18 AM PDT

  •  More and Better Democrats, right? (23+ / 0-)

    This is a case for better.

    Habit of eating have been found increased in people, they just need a sitting place where they can finish their hunger. -- spammer pauldavis 8/21/13

    by Senor Unoball on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:48:41 AM PDT

    •  Amen (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Senor Unoball, leonard145b

      I was a peripheral visionary. I could see the future, but only way off to the side. ~ Steven Wright

      by Bugsby on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:10:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Seriously (7+ / 0-)

      I was disappointed to receive a dKos campaign email for Terry McCauliffe a few months ago. Okay, I get it, the R alternative is worse. But it's not as though McCauliffe is a unknown quantity, and with limited resources to go around nationally... Vote for him, fine, but otherwise, screw 'im.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:31:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is no alternative there (2+ / 0-)
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        Aquarius40, micsimov

        and if we all have your attitude, Virginia will have Cuch, Jackson, and Obenshain. Yes, I know -- McAuliffe is a Conservadem and Northam is even further to the right. But Cuch and Jackson make the folks running the House of Representatives look sane by comparison.

      •  Terry McCauliffe has, or has access to, (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        salmo, quill, apimomfan2

        all the money he needs to run a campaign, and more.  I hope the email you received is an anomaly. DKos' money needs to go to candidates who need it.

        Regarding Maffei, even DKos can make mistakes.  Sometimes a candidate disguises himself long enough to raise campaign money; some get to Washington and, in some fit of horror at the divisions, decide to try to act like bridges to the other side or conciliators only trying to help (and exhibiting bad judgment in the effort).  Some may even get there and see the shape Washington is in and want to be wooed by some "Third Way" or "Fix the Debt" group or a safe, comfy think tank office so they can get out as soon as possible.

        Once it becomes apparent that the congress member we once supported has not turned out to be what we originally thought, it's time to work to remove him.  Kos has done his readers a favor by explaining why it has become necessary to do that with  Maffei.  And there will be others.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:11:30 PM PDT

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        •  Maffei may well have earned a challenge (5+ / 0-)
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          4mygirls, quill, micsimov, nanorich, apimomfan2

          My sister voted for Maffei, and yesterday morning sent me a picture of herself leaning on her home-made anti-Maffei sign in her front yard (in the Congressman's district).  The accompanying email was beyond angry - loathing might better capture her views.  It seems late to be mounting a primary challenge from scratch now, but my guess is that she is not alone in wanting to help.  

        •  Maffei didn't "go to Washington" (2+ / 0-)
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          WisJohn, wdrath

          He was a congressional staffer long before he was a congressman. And he has always run as a centrist. I despise how this site turns on the blue dog/third way types who turn red districts blue when they don't turn out to be left wing partisans. Kind of like Obama. If you actually listen to what these people are saying in their campaigns, you wouldn't be surprised when they turn out to be middle of the road politicians who sometimes go the way you don't like.

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:43:38 PM PDT

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          •  It doesn't surprise many of us (0+ / 0-)

            which is why I spend my limited resources helping the campaigns of actual liberals who try to move the country to the left.

            Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

            by Simplify on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:00:14 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

            doesnt sound like the district is at all red based on votes for the President.

            Progressives keep their $ in credit unions, not big banks....find one now: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/cu/19990526c.asp

            by grrr on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 06:05:24 AM PDT

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            •  You are right (0+ / 0-)

              But if you dig deeper than the presidential numbers you would see that the county the district is based on may vote democrat in the presidential level, but has a republican dominated county legislature and republican county executive. And that's the "liberal" part of the district.

              There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

              by slothlax on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:06:04 AM PDT

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              •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                the republicans in the legislature have been there a long time and have the power of incumbency. This district needs a progressive - if Dan Maffei wants to be a corporatist, he needs to be primaried.

                Progressives keep their $ in credit unions, not big banks....find one now: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/cu/19990526c.asp

                by grrr on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 03:36:07 PM PDT

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    •  More and Better Is Right (6+ / 0-)

      More Democrats in districts Obama lost by 14 points.  Better Democrats in districts he won by 14 points.

      “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

      by RoIn on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:35:51 PM PDT

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  •  Also can someone explain Sean Maloney? (10+ / 0-)

    I donated to him, was highly impressed in person at two campaign events, and I thought he was a solid progressive Democrat.  True, he knocked out a horrible Tea Party hack (Nan Hayworth).  But still.  Disappointing to see these votes from him.

  •  And, the incredibly problematic Sean Maloney? (11+ / 0-)

    I live in his district. This guy's voting record, just over nine months into his first term, his pretty freakin' abysmal!

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:50:17 AM PDT

    •  Ditto. (6+ / 0-)

      I've got a job. I can't afford to primary the mealy-mouthed SOB, but he's damn sure making me want to.

      Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

      by milkbone on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:59:22 AM PDT

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    •  Maloney's abysmal record, after less than 9 mos... (16+ / 0-)

      ...Here's just a SAMPLING...

      ...voted in support of Keystone XL-related initiatives (pro-environmental issues' positions here in the Lower- and Mid-Hudson Valley are always vital positions for Dems to support; but not Maloney)...

      ...was a leading advocate, successfully, to push through legislation in the House (for which he was a lead sponsor) to turn back the clock on derivatives regulations...

      ...voted to delay Obamacare....

      ...he did not sign Keith Ellison's letter to stand firmly against chained CPI in Soc Sec...

      ...even Robert Reich spoke up about Maloney's shameless Wall Street...there's no other word for what it is....whoring! What else may one call it, when we see fundraisers like THIS for the guy?

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:04:09 AM PDT

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    •  bobswern, I agree - I donated and thought he was (4+ / 0-)

      more solidly liberal Democratic on the issues, than it seems he is in actual practice.

      Indeed he was championed here on DKos' front page at one point.  

      Tactically, sure, it is FAR better to have him in the seat than the predecessor he defeated, Nan Hayworth (R-Tea Party).  And maybe his centrist/corporatist leanings are what his district would want, collectively speaking.  It's more purple than blue, the region he covers.  Hard to know.  I would love a more progressive Democrat in his seat, but would rue it immensely if such a candidate ran and lost to a Republican.

      •  Hayworth sucked...bigtime...but, I will not... (10+ / 0-)

        ...in good conscience (for the first time in my life) vote in my Congressional race in 2014 if it comes down to Hayworth vs. Maloney. Maloney has greatly/substantially contributed to both leading fight against Wall Street reform, and his positions on the environment are to the RIGHT of Hayworth's! (Yeah, he's that bad!)

        He has 15 months to change my mind, and those of many other disaffected Dems in NY's 18th C.D. And, it's going to take a HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN WORDS to do that.

        His behavior's been downright reprehensible. And, this is from someone who was at the forefront of support for John Hall, when he first ran for office here (in what was then the 19th C.D.). I wasn't crazy about Hall after he successfully ran for re-election in 2008, but I nonetheless strongly supported him; because there IS definitely some compromise involved in succeeding, politically, in this area. I understand that. But, shamelessly selling out, lock, stock and barrel--which is what Maloney's done in just nine months in office--is a far cry from compromise, IMHO.

        A Democrat voting FOR Keystone XL-related initiatives in the Hudson Valley? Leading the pro-Wall Street "fight" to turn back derivatives reform in the House?!?! The basic problem with Maloney is he's effective, for all the wrong reasons!

        Hayworth, on the other hand, had nowhere near the street smarts of Maloney. And, given the greater truths, mentioned above, that boils down to a potentially f*cked-up choice in NY-18 for Congress.

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:21:43 AM PDT

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  •  OMG, Barber again? (8+ / 0-)

    There's no vote he won't make to prove how "moderate" he is.  Giffords was not perfect, but at least she was with us on the important issues.  I'm getting really sick of him.

    How about we try to primary him as well?  Just please make it someone not embroiled in a sleepovers-for-votes scandal.

    To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

    by sneakers563 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:51:19 AM PDT

    •  Kirsten Sinema's even worse... (6+ / 0-)

      look at her district's Obama vote - over 51%. She had always portrayed herself as a progressive until she wound up in Washington and became a neo-liberal. As a bisexual, she really needs the Dem base to overcome the anti-LGBT hysteria rampant among Rethugs here in Arizona.

      Lucky for her she probably has dodged the H.B. 2305 law which would have made it more difficult for the Libertarians to get on the ballot thereby taking a good chunk of the vote from the rethugs. That law is going to the ballot so it could still prevail for a later election.

      Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

      by Ian S on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 01:24:26 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know much about Sinema (2+ / 0-)
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        mconvente, Senor Unoball

        Maybe there's some calculus behind these votes, but as I replied to ItsaMathJoke, I just can't support strategic voting. It's asking the voter to take the candidate's stated positions on faith. As Meteor Blades says, don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do.

        To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

        by sneakers563 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:54:34 PM PDT

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      •  I really wanted to like Kirsten Sinema (2+ / 0-)
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        Code Monkey, Ian S

        The fact that she is out as a bisexual woman made me want very much to support her when I learned about her and that she was running for congress. Even though I live in Barber's district, I was prepared to donate to her campaign. But I listened to a couple of her speaking engagements on video and was completely unimpressed. She does try to portray herself as a progressive but she came off as very fake to me. Then I learned a few things about her record and statements she made on various issues... and no, she did not see a dime of my money. I am not surprised by her votes on this. I'm disappointed she's not someone I could truly support. It takes more than being a bi woman to earn that from me, and she doesn't.

        And Ron Barber... oh do not get me started. I am really pissed off at him. Not only for voting with the republicans on this, but even more so for his dishonest and unhelpful reasoning as to why he did it, saying the vote to delay the ACA was "the right thing to do." Are you fucking kidding me?!!

        That made me so angry. I'm working on a scathing letter to him. I am sick of him too. I never liked him much to begin with, but I did vote for him. He's been a huge disappointment. I wish someone would primary him too. Someone good that is. This is Tucson, after all. We deserve better than Ron Barber and this kind of stupid bullshit he is spouting. FFS, Jan Brewer has been sounding more reasonable than him lately! That is a big problem IMO. He needs to go.

        •  Sorry to say she had me convinced (1+ / 0-)
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          CS in AZ

          when she spoke at NN'10. Now, she was talking about how to get things done at the state level, and given that her state is Arizona it did make sense that she would advocate working with Republicans where possible and helpful. That wasn't in itself reason to believe she wasn't really a progressive (just that she was pragmatic, in the real sense).

          I must have missed the part about voting with Republicans, too :-\

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          by Code Monkey on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:42:05 PM PDT

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        •  Sinema is the only out atheist in Congress (3+ / 0-)
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          apimomfan2, CS in AZ, Ian S

          now that Pete Stark has been ousted.

          Wow, I expected better. A lot of Dem's fantasies are being crushed.

          •  I know! That's the other reason I wanted to like (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Andrew Lazarus, Ian S

            her! I was ecstatic - an out bisexual atheist woman is running for congress? From Arizona!?! Where do I sign up? was my first thought. It was like there would be someone who sort of actually represented me in congress! Even if I don't live in her district. I was very excited about her at first.

            But as it turns out, that is not enough. Positions on issues matter, and my impression after looking more closely is that she's all about image, and when it comes down to it, not a person I can support. And yes, disappointed and sad about that because on paper she looks great.

      •  That's because... (0+ / 0-)

        she only won her race with 48.72% of the vote, thanks to the libertarian in the race taking over 6%.  Otherwise, Vernon Parker (R) becomes a Congressman.

        And 51% by Obama is by NO means considered a safe blue district at all.  It's a swing district, which usually swings red in midterm years because too many people who vote Democratic are stupid enough not to bother voting in midterm elections.

        And Barber's race in 2012 wasn't decided for two weeks because it was so close.  That almost certainly scared him into pulling this moderate/conservative crap.

    •  Barber just posted on facebook (7+ / 0-)

      that that he's "willing to work with anyone" now. What a waste of space he is!

      Reality has a well-known liberal bias -- Stephen Colbert

      by ItsaMathJoke on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:01:25 PM PDT

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      •  I haven't met Ron, but his wife Nancy (3+ / 0-)
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        Senor Unoball, CS in AZ, ItsaMathJoke

        is great. She runs a class at a birthing center here in Tucson that my wife goes to with our daughter. As new parents, we've found her to be a huge help. I really can't say enough good things about her.

        My father-in-law does know Ron, though, and says that this is all "strategic voting" on bills Ron knows will fail, so that he can burnish his credentials as a "moderate". I just can't get behind it. On the one hand, it's basically saying that he's willfully misrepresenting his positions, which is not terribly appealing in a politician. But in addition, it really puts voters in a bind. Am I really supposed to just trust that Ron secretly supports the causes I care about? How am I supposed to make an informed vote if I have to ignore his actual record? What good are Ron's personal feelings if he's unwilling to act on them?

        To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

        by sneakers563 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 02:52:27 PM PDT

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        •  He said the vote to delay the ACA was "the right (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          apimomfan2, nanorich, ItsaMathJoke

          thing to do." In his official statement explaining why he voted with the republicans on their extortion bill, this is what he said.

          Then, the next day he put out a statement condemning the shutdown and taking "congress" to task for "not doing its job." Like he was not on board with the hostage-takers! What an ass. I'm sorry but he's lost me with this crap.

          He's trying to fool all of the people all of time, and whether he really believes it was "the right thing to do" or he secretly is for it and is pandering to the wingers, I do not care, it is wrong for him to say this at this time, and he was wrong to vote with the republicans on this.

          This whole fiasco has given me a very low view of him. I hope he's primaried by someone who will stand up for the actual right thing, at least when it really matters.  

    •  Barber needs to be primaried (5+ / 0-)

      He is wishy-washy at best trying to appease both the elites in the Catalina Foothills and us poorer cousins who only get to look at the Foothills.  For example: he voted to delay part of the ACA, but has now said he will donate his salary during the shutdown to charity!  Pick a side, dude!

      He narrowly beat Martha McSally in 2012.  If he continues this fence straddling, he may lose the progressive base in Tucson.  We really need a strong, progressive voice in this district.

      I sometimes wished I lived a little farther south so that I could have Raul Grijalva as my rep.

      The older I get and the more I learn, the more ready I will be to fucking trash your bullshit position.

      by TigerMom on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:26:46 PM PDT

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      •  how do these a**holes donating their salaries (2+ / 0-)
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        nanorich, TigerMom

        to charity help the federal workers they just voted to snatch their paychecks?  why don't they find some furloughed workers they just stole from and give them their money back?  And why announce they're giving money to charity because of the way they voted; are they ashamed?  Sounds like they know what they're doing is wrong and/or foolish.

        The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

        by micsimov on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:04:41 PM PDT

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  •  I live in Syr. (21+ / 0-)

    I'll do it, if I can get

    a) LOTS of advice on how to go about it,
    b) Grassroots funding on a very significant scale - I have very, very little money to spare.

    My resume is pretty damned good tho...

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 10:52:23 AM PDT

  •  I agree... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Senor Unoball

    At this point, I'm thinking we should throw in Polis as well.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:07:58 AM PDT

  •  We're disgusted with Maffei (6+ / 0-)

    We used to live in the area and were watching the race  with real interest. Sent him money the 1st and 2nd time he ran. Maddening! With this guy we got "more" all right  but we sure didn't get "better."

    I was a peripheral visionary. I could see the future, but only way off to the side. ~ Steven Wright

    by Bugsby on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:08:52 AM PDT

  •  Uh, that a Fox News-style caption? (6+ / 0-)

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:13:46 AM PDT

  •  Looks like he's a DINO nt (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Senor Unoball, apimomfan2

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:30 AM PDT

  •  If there's a credible Democrat to take him on (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Senor Unoball, salmo, apimomfan2

    “Parties do not lead revolutions. They follow them. And then only when forced to.” Joe Bageant

    by tgypsy on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:31:59 AM PDT

  •  More Primaries (5+ / 0-)

    If Daily Kos focuses on Democratic primaries from now through next Summer, nominating better Democrats so general elections can elect more of them, it will be more than just a place to wank collective millions of hours a year.

    Or it can smugly be right while losing yet another elections to corporate sponsors of both Republicans and Democrats alike.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 11:32:17 AM PDT

  •  Extremely disappointed in Rep. Sinema (5+ / 0-)

    She's a newbie, I believe.  Isn't she supposed to be very progressive, even despite her relatively close election?

    Anyone from AZ can clue us eastcoasters in on Kyrsten's WTF vote?

    "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

    by mconvente on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 12:44:14 PM PDT

  •  Hey Kos wrong results (1+ / 0-)
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    wdrath

           Dan Maffei    47.1%    143,044
            Ann Marie Buerkle Incumbent    41.9%    127,054
            Usula Rozum    7.5%    22,670
            N/A     Blank/Void/Scattering    3.6%    10,799

    Source: New York State Board of Elections

    •  PVI (2+ / 0-)
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      mightymouse, micsimov

      Kos is giving the Obama vs Romney election results. Clearly Maffei has under performed Obama. Probably as he was fighting an incumbent. However there is still no excuse to behave scared in such a D+ district. If he is having so much trouble to keep this district may be it is better we find someone else.

      •  Green (0+ / 0-)

        Well, that and the Green candidate taking 7.5%.  With just 75% of Rozum's votes, Maffei would have been at 53%.

      •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

        The line in the blog was:

        But Maffei? He won his district 57-41. What could possibly be his excuse?
        The person that underperformed in the race was Usula Rozman - people voted for Maffei because they didn't want that b*$%@ Buerkle in office and a vote for Rozum would be a vote for Buerkle. (Ruzum returned campaign donations that came from Buerkle supporters)
  •  How can there be a compromise? (3+ / 0-)

    What are the Cons offering the Dems in return for an Obamacare delay?

    "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. Please join our Kos group "Money and Public Purpose". The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it.

    by Auburn Parks on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:05:22 PM PDT

  •  Add the annoying Cheri Bustos (D-IL) to that list. (3+ / 0-)
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    devis1, apimomfan2, sngmama

    And while you're at it, lean on Tammy Duckworth, too.

    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:12:59 PM PDT

  •  Can I say, as a Nevada resident (2+ / 0-)
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    apimomfan2, nanorich

    What the Fuck, Steven Horsford?

    What. The. Fuck.

    This district, and the seat currently held by Dina Titus in her new district, were designed to be won by Democrats when you look at their populations. The only good news for the GOP in them is that the rural areas were even more GOP locks post redistricting, and that the suburban seat currently held by Joe Heck (roughly covering the area where the seat Dina Titus lost after her one term to current Senator Dean Heller was) would be even harder for a Democrat to win unless the Democrats fielded a rockstar.

    Nevada added a seat in redistricting, and Republicans had hoped that, given the solidly Democratic nature of the 1st District, they would end up with a swing district leaning their way.  Instead, the newly created 4th, which encompasses North Las Vegas, the northern suburbs, and a few under-populated rural counties, has a distinct Democratic lean.  It gave 58 percent of the vote to Obama in 2008, although it narrowly went for George W. Bush in 2004.

    Republicans nominated Danny Tarkanian, son of the legendary UNLV basketball coach.  Democrats opted for Steve Horsford, the state Senate majority leader.  Horsford has had some problems -- including some serious financial difficulties in the late '90s and early 2000s.  But Tarkanian cuts a less-than-inspiring figure, and polls have shown a surprisingly close race.  Horsford retains an edge, but this could go either way.

    There is no reason for this prick, who had all of his flaws overlooked by the locals, to being out playing Blue Doggy or giving the freakshow bipartisan cover for jack fucking shit after all that was done for him. None. He governs as a Democrat, he gets re-elected. He can't sleepwalk through his career, but it's not exactly going to make his hair fall out with stress to be a good Democrat.

    The people who stood up to Tarkanian's wingnut welfare fueled boy wonder in the last election didn't do it to get fucked over.

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:13:54 PM PDT

    •  Holy Mother Fuck am I pissed off right now (2+ / 0-)
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      salmo, apimomfan2

      if you could visit this man's home district, I'm betting that every single Kossack would be shitting bricks right now.

      And so fucking soon after a lot of liberals and people in dire need of services all went all-in on him to help him beat a real disgusting Teahadi freak in the making that his own lame campaign ended up making a threat where none should have been.

      John Oceguera lost a heartbreaker. He could have used some extra juice he might have had come his way that went Horfords way. And he would have been with us had he won his race, I was proud to support his campaign and it hurt as bad as Dina losing her 2010 race that election night. The bright spot was Horsford won. Well, Fuck.

      There is nothing about this seat that requires sandbagging the rest of the party to save your pitiful neck over. None.

      For Christ sake, this man's opponent said, pretty much, I can represent black people, I get them, my dad used to coach them at basketball at UNLV. He should have been crushed, and he got beaten solidly because a lot of good people put their time, effort, and money into keeping it Blue.

      There are seats in my old home state of Massachusetts that are tougher on their Democratic office holders to keep hypothetically nailed down.

      Christ.

      I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

      by LeftHandedMan on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:29:13 PM PDT

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  •  a new gig for Anthony Weiner! /nt (0+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 06:15:20 PM PDT

  •  Just a Coward (5+ / 0-)

    Maffei is just a coward, he lost his seat. He is afraid. He thinks this will get him re-elected. This is not a particularly important vote.  I wouldn't actively give him money. But the message we want to send is getting rid of a Peter King rather than a Dan Maffei.

  •  At least nobody here is trashing Matheson (3+ / 0-)
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    slothlax, HappyMichBlogger, WisJohn

    It is a miracle that a Dem can get elected from that district. If he votes with us 10% of the time that is better than the Teabagger who'd replace him.

  •  Fuck you (2+ / 0-)
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    WisJohn, wdrath

    Stay the fuck out of my goddam district. I have Dan's back. This is no solid Democratic district, the only reason it seems like it is because a democrat like Maffei ran. He singlehandedly ran a Republican scion with twenty years in congress out of office in 06 by narrowly LOSING, ran again in 08 and won, only to lose to a tea partier the next cycle, then win in it back in 12. Hmmm, lose in mid terms, win in presidentials. No wonder he is skiddish and in the middle. Go fuck yourselves and your goddam purity tests.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:02:01 PM PDT

    •  Fuck yourself (0+ / 0-)

      Here's another great example of why to avoid cursing in general, and especially cursing @ people. Nobody wants to hear your foul fucking mouth, so they just skipped over your comment

      Now, Slothlax, if you got this far, I'll offer that you make a very good argument about Maffei losing in off-year elections.

      But not so many readers even got to that part, much less all the way thru to your conclusion about fucking ourselves and the goddam purity tests. So you just wasted your time.

      Now go wash your mouth out with soap.

      And Kos, if you got this far, put me down as favoring rules against cursing on this site. It's offensive AND it alienates readers.

  •  I will. (3+ / 0-)
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    4mygirls, apimomfan2, Rolfyboy6

    If I had some support. I live in Liverpool, NY and would gladly strike at this chance to primary him. Burkle was bad, but this guy is too much a blue dog for me.

    Who's with me?

    For those who seek perfection there can be no rest on this side of the grave.

    by Zero Serenity on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:18:48 PM PDT

  •  It is time to Show these phony Dems some Backbone (2+ / 0-)
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    apimomfan2, Rolfyboy6

    Kick their asses out of the Democratic Party in the Primaries.

  •  Why are we talking about Dan Maffei and not (8+ / 0-)

    Dan Lipinski? I'm not saying a primary challenge to Maffei doesn't have its merits, but they're a joke compared to Lipinski.

    Let's see:
    1: Lipinski voted against Obamacare from the right
    2: Lipinski is stridently anti-choice
    3: Lipinski's district is more Democratic than Maffei's

    How about Jim Cooper?
    1: Jim Cooper nuked Clintoncare in the 1990s
    2: Jim Cooper voted against Sandy relief
    3: Jim Cooper is also anti-choice

    And Maffei is a quasi freshman who has voted against us on some CRs that are all show? I wouldn't mind replacing him, but let's fucking get real, there are much better targets!.

  •  we're none too happy with Raul Ruiz. (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Woody

    CA-36 who just ousted six term do nothing Republican Mary Bono.  the comments in our local paper reflect that dismay.

    Raul Ruiz: Obamacare vote with GOP 'not a flip-flop'

    I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

    by blue drop on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 08:08:52 PM PDT

  •  Ruiz (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Woody

    I'm in Ruiz's district and beyond disgusted. We replaced  Mary Bono with him; this is NOT what he was sent to do. He's an ER doctor and ought to know better when it comes to the need for the individual mandate. He's also refused to take a strong position on common sense gun laws.

  •  Raul Ruiz is dead to me (0+ / 0-)

    Bastard.  Sucked for every Dem Dollar in California last time around.  

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 09:55:55 PM PDT

  •  Party needs even more purification. (0+ / 0-)

    When I first started following politics, I was one of those Democrats who thought the best way to win was to be moderate and compromising to get more votes and make the party more electable.

    I also was not a fan of Markos because I was afraid the party would go too far left and it's easier to get elected if you compromise.

    Now, I have always voted Democrat as I hated the economic disparity and the religious right trying to force their views on everyone.

    However, it was not until after Barack Obama's election when I realized that Republicans do not want to compromise, they just want to keep moving the goal posts to the right. They are stubborn as mules and conservative minded people are like that in real life.

    It's at the time that I realized this is a war in this country and every damn policy the GOP puts up just makes this country worse. It's been downhill since Reagan who was nothing but an actor who could sell his trickle down ponizi and other crap like the war on drugs.

    They are so damn backwards and only give a damn about the rich, religious people who want to shove their views on all of us (Less government my ass), racist Tea Trash and people who are so damn stupid they vote against their own interests.

    The point is Markos was dead on about all of this from the start and I am so glad he helped make my party  and me more progressive. I'm still pissed MSNBC does not let him on anymore. I love how he made Tom Tancreado go cry in a corner.

    It is time to get rid of people like Dan Maffei who want to compromise with these assholes who only have policies that hurt this country. Put me down for $20 Bucks if we get the right progressive.

    Any Democrat in a save district or state (Senate Race) who stands with the republicans on any vote deserves to be taken out in a primary.

    That goes for all democrats in safe Dem districts who are not true progressives. like Jim Cooper in Tennessee, Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, Steven Horsford in Nevada and even ones like Corrine Brown in my home state of Florida who tried to save her own ass by trying to get the Fair Districting amendments thrown out which we voted for (Passed with over 60 percent) rather than see a few more democrats elected. It didn't work but I do not forget.

    Markos: I'd love it if you did a Progressive Ratings List of Democrats (You might already do this) and have a target list for us progressives to take sellouts like the above out in primaries.

    Let's continue your great work and further purify this party.

  •  This is a very flawed analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    LtPowers

    As someone who lives in this district, there are several things about this analysis that are flawed, mostly due to local perspectives that those who don't live here might not be aware of.

    First of all, this is not a “solidly blue district” as was claimed. It may appear to be on paper, but it's not. Maffei was the first Democrat from this area to serve in Congress in decades when he was first elected in 2008. Then he was upset by a Tea Party Republican in 2010. (My guess is that nobody was more surprised than Ann Marie Beurkle, a third-tier candidate whom Republicans got to run against Maffei when nobody else would).

    As someone who follows some of the local blogs here, while there are a few Democrats and progressives who are pissed at Maffei for these votes (his Green Party opponent last time, mostly), for every one of them there are a lot of folks locally who like the fact that he's trying to be reasonable and are actually supportive of his being more moderate (not me...my preference would be for him to be stick with his progressive instincts).

    And your timing on this couldn't be worse. Republicans don't have a lot of people who are publicly showing interest in running against Maffei. However, one of their better prospects is the Republican Onondaga County Comptroller Robert Antonacci. He's being wooed by Republicans in Washington as we speak. As a Republican who has won county-wide office handily, he comes from the part of the district with the most Democrats. He would most likely win all of the outlying Republican areas easily. Antonacci has said he plans to make a decision in October (this month). An article like this promoting a primary challenger against Maffei is just what might be needed to push Antonacci, one of their strongest potential candidates, to run.

    Trust me, voters in this area are only now beginning to get used to being represented by a Democrat in the House of Representatives. The numbers that you are basing your analysis on...the fact that President Obama carried this district, overlooks a lot of things. First of all, the heavily-Democratic City of Syracuse, with a heavy African-American population, which voted in larger numbers than usual in 2012, skews those numbers. There's no guarantee than just any Democrat is going to get 57 percent of the vote in this district going forward.

    In fact, as someone who was on a Telephone Town Meeting held by Maffei two days ago regarding the shutdown, while Maffei's moderation came as a bit of a surprise to me, it sounded like just that to me...moderation. Maffei's always been against the medical device tax (we have a substantial employer in this district involved in manufacturing medical devices). If you were to listen to him during the Telephone Town Hall, you would probably not be so strident in your objection.

    Dan Maffei disappointed this particular constituent with these votes. But he still has my support and will continue to get my support, unless or until something occurs to change that. Heck...there's not an elected political official alive that hasn't disappointed me at least once or twice. His efforts at trying to portray himself as a reasonable, open-minded, independent thinking moderate will likely pay off for him in a district like this.

    •  in fact... (0+ / 0-)

      ...come to think of it...if my memory serves correctly, there wasn't one person who criticized Maffei for these votes during the Telephone Town Hall (a conference call with constituents, essentially). On the contrary, there were quite a few people who commended him for trying to be reasonable, including those who were thankful that he was there and not his predecessor, Buerkle who, as one person said, would be part of the problem with the shutdown, not the solution.

    •  Good points (1+ / 0-)
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      wdrath

      I agree with you.  I live just outside Maffei's district in Slaughter's district (formerly Reed's), and within miles of the Syracuse-area district's pre-redistricting western extension, so I followed Maffei and Buerkle fairly closely.

      Maffei strikes me as a liberal-moderate.  I don't think he's a true Blue Dog; he seems to hold legitimately moderate views.  I think he'd probably support a public option, for instance, if not single-payer.

      But the idea that NY-24 is safe D is absurd.  I know Upstate NY, and there is no way a challenger from the left, should he or she defeat Maffei in a primary, would have a chance in hell against a moderate Republican.

      Remember, Buerkle was not a moderate Republican!  She's a Tea Partier in all but name.  And she got elected here.  Yes, it was in a Republican wave year, but a) she was running against an incumbent, and b) a moderate Republican would have a much easier road, not requiring a Republican wave to sweep in.

      All a Republican has to do to win this district (in a neutral year) is to appear more moderate than the Democrat.  I think Maffei knows that.

      In the end, he's a vote for Pelosi as speaker, and he's fairly reliable on most liberal causes.  That has to be considered enough for now.

  •  Caption says Maffei is GOP (0+ / 0-)

    He's actually a democrat, a DINO

    From the home of "Future Shoes."

    by mfinley98 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 06:36:29 AM PDT

  •  Huge kudos to Working Families Party (0+ / 0-)

    for taking on both Maffei and Maloney! Maybe they will field challengers to follow?

  •  What if Dan Maffei don't give a rip? (0+ / 0-)

    Here's a thought from NY-24 constituents-activists who helped put Dan Maffei in office TWICE (never again):

    The infamous Congressional Revolving Door might have Dan Maffei's name on it soon. (Think Billy Tauzon of Louisiana right after he rammed the Medicare Rx drug scam - Part D - up seniors' backsides, then promptly left Congress to be a Big PhARMA lobbyist.)

    HYPOTHESIS: What if Dan Maffei does not give a rip that he'll be challenged from both left and wingnut right next year? What if Dan is the man with a plan for his own secure post-congress-critter security -- a fat salary and "consultant" title with the private sector medical devices industry?

    Kos already bread-crumb trailed Dan's motives: Maffei spent his 2-year vacay from Congress (2010-2012) with Third Way / DLC / No Labels JOKERS. ("squishes" in the words of Texas Teddy Cruz)

    Now all you gotta do is (1) Look up Welch Allyn medical devices in Dan's NY-24 District (wealthy Skaneateles) ... especially the company's temper-tantrum-prone anti-Obamacare 1-percenter CEO. That cry baby sh!t-canned 10 percent of his workers last spring. Cuz he don't want no Obamacare. For nobody.

    (2) Then take a look at the only other thing Dan Maffei is known for on returning to Congress -- ummmmm, the only thing OTHER than his recent stupid vote with Tea Party whackos to shutdown the gov't.

    Dan proposed a bill to cut or kill the tax on medical device
    manufacturers, bringing them onto the gravy train that Big Pharma gets. Dan's proposal had a snowball's chance  in hell of getting thru the House AND then the Senate (i.e., less than zero).

    But it sure makes him look loyal to the medical device lobby, don't it?

    How bout if Dan Maffei doesn't want to represent us in Congress? It simply gives him deep-pockets contacts for his e-Rolodex. And retirement nirvana.

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