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Greg Sargent:

Dems have hit on a way to use a “discharge petition,” which forces a House vote if a majority of Representatives signs it, to try to force the issue. Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn’t bear fruit until some time in November.

But now House Democrats say they have found a previously filed bill to use as a discharge petition — one that would fund the government at sequester levels.

The idea here is to create a vehicle with which a united Democratic Party could join with Republicans who say they support a clean funding bill to force a vote on reopening government, in the process overruling House Speaker John Boehner's refusal to allow a vote on the Senate's legislation to end the government shutdown.

According to Sargent, House Democrats believe they could force a vote as soon as Oct. 14—if enough Republicans are willing to cross the aisle and join Democrats in signing the petition.

In theory, there should be enough Republicans willing to sign the discharge petition for this tactic to succeed. There are 200 Democrats, and if 18 of the 22 Republicans who claim they support a clean funding bill sign the petition, we'd have a vote and the shutdown crisis would be over.

The problem is that at least so far, none of these Republicans have been willing to put their money where their mouths are. Earlier this week, every single one of them voted against a procedural motion that would have allowed a vote on a a clean funding bill to move forward, putting them in the awkward position of saying they would vote yes on something they voted against allowing to come up for a vote.

These members will face tremendous pressure from Republican leadership to not sign a discharge petition, because doing so would effectively neuter Boehner. But unlike procedural votes to table appeals of rulings of the chair (the vote earlier this week), whether or not a member signs the discharge petition is extremely easy to explain.

At a bare minimum, pushing the discharge petition will force these Republicans to put up or shut up. Hopefully, they will put up, because if they do, that would end the Republican shutdown. But even if they don't, at least it will be a clarifying moment that forces these so-called "moderates" to admit that at the end of the day, they are nothing but Ted Cruz with a smile.

12:03 PM PT: More details from Rep. George Miller on how this would work:

We will make in order a discharge petition to discharge the language of the Lankford bill, but we will have a complete substitute for that language, which will be a clean continuing resolution to open up the government.
MIller was speakign at a press conference by Democratic leadership.

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  •  Forget It (47+ / 0-)

    Getting those moderates to jump ship and kick the Tea Party under the bus to sign on with Satan herself (according to them) is never ever ever never never ever going to happen.  Also, never.  

    It would destroy the Hastert rule, destroy Boehner's power, and guarantee primary challenges from the right.  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:27:22 AM PDT

    •  I agree, it will be difficult to get moderates (12+ / 0-)

      to sign this. But I think they are probably more concerned about general elections than primaries.

      Also, it does provide a specific focus and goal for House Dems.

      •  Purple state GOP (5+ / 0-)

        The last smidgen of moderates.

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:31:25 AM PDT

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      •  Agree (6+ / 0-)

        A few of them may be allowed to sign it to protect them in their general elections but not enough for it to pass.

        The most vulnerable will be permitted to sign probably.

        •  The next election is a year away... (3+ / 0-)
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          mightymouse, pezguy, Chitownliberal7

          everyone will forget about this whole thing by then. The election will be decided by whatever is going on from Aug-Oct of 2014. It's sad, but basically true - our American political memories are just about non-existent.

          There will be about a half-dozen crisises and whatnot between now & then. I don't get why anyone in Congress gives a rip about the election at this point.

          Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

          by walk2live on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:52:31 AM PDT

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          •  A year away doesn't matter... (2+ / 0-)
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            Just Bob, According to Fish

            This is the kind of brou-ha-ha that creates lifelong party voters.
            What with demographics & all their other problems, the GOOP can scarcely afford to suddenly turn off a few million voters for life.

            Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

            by olo on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:08:37 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well... it might move the needle a fraction. (1+ / 0-)
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              Buckeye Nut Schell

              And that can make the difference in some cases. But... mark my words, next summer it'll all be about gays, abortion and guns... and a lot of bozos will forget all about this "budget stuff" and vote for the same gool-ole boys they supported the last time.

              I wish I wasn't so cynical about these things... I do hope it makes some difference. But, I know how short memories are in today's politics. We can barely remember the last crisis, and then there's another one.

              Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

              by walk2live on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:40:41 PM PDT

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          •  WE will not forget. (0+ / 0-)

            Our money talks, too.

            Nothing is hopeless; we must hope for everything. Euripides

            by Independent Progressive on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 02:25:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  No, they're not. (3+ / 0-)
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        Chitownliberal7, sooner2703, CorinaR

        They can fight it out in a general election.  You act like the Democrats have a shot at winning the House next year. We don't.  Make NO mistake about that.  The Gerrymandering is too deeply ingrained and every quant knows it.  We will pick up some seats and narrow the gap, but they still have the advantage in the general, regardless.  Let's be realistic.  

        There are lots of places (see: Ted Cruz) where the primary winner is the winner.  And lots of places where a primary challenge deprives an incumbent of the cash they need for a smooth win.  Factor in a primary challenge and a tough year and you're doomed.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:36:35 AM PDT

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        •  I don't think it's a the election they are worried (3+ / 0-)
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          LSophia, Radical Moderate, Just Bob

          about.  But they have got to be worried about big money and the Chamber of Commerce withdrawing support.  When I see major Republican donors talking about not giving to Republicans anymore because they aren't going to pay them to destroy the US economy it makes me warm and happy.  But it has to be chilling to a moderate Republican in a not-so-safe district.  And if (just pretend a minute) that big money decides they still want the influence that their money buys and they give to the responsible democratic party the Republicans have got to worry.  So lets give them every opportunity to show that big money where their heart (or something lower on their anatomy) is.

          As long as I am dreaming lets say that happens.  Then democrats are officially aligned with big money.  So a new progressive party gains support and the Overton Window moves back to the left.  And the crazy radicals sit in their minority chairs and fume.

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:48:19 AM PDT

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        •  With a 9 point generic ballot lead (10+ / 0-)

          the dems certainly can win the house. Not saying we'll still have that come next year, but if we do or even something close to it, we can flip the house.

          •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

            A generic ballot lead from a national sample means nothing.  If a survey in key districts had been taken I'd be thinking twice.  Take a look at a district map of Pennsylvania.  That ain't moving.  

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

            by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:08:59 PM PDT

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        •  things changed the moment the gov't shut down (6+ / 0-)

          before the shutdown fiasco, the House was safe and the Senate was in play for the Republicans.  I don't hear that narrative much these days.

          Things can certainly change on a dime, and there's plenty of time left, but the backlash at the tea party is likely to still be pretty wicked next November.

        •  Actually... (2+ / 0-)
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          untorqued, KJB Oregon
          You act like the Democrats have a shot at winning the House next year. We don't.
          ... if this drags on for much longer, I think we do.  The Repubs had themselves a double handful of nicely-gerrymandered strongholds back in the Gingrich 90's, the last time they tried this kind of shit, and the voters neither forgot nor forgave.  Tossed 'em out en masse.

          Is a 2014 House flip likely?  Certainly not.  But it's definitely possible, and growing ever-so-slightly more so with each passing day.

          •  I Don't Want This Meme (1+ / 0-)
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            Buckeye Nut Schell

            I just don't want this meme to start floating.  Because if you look at the raw data, even with the wind at our backs it's an uphill climb.  And it's a YEAR and a month away.  Americans in swing districts - especially the independents - have short memories.  I don't think the shutdown is as big a deal to conservative leaning Dem voters as you all think it is.  

            If we suddenly think we're going into next year ready for a big win, when we DON'T win - it'll another classic pity party in which movement liberals get huffy and flounce.  2016 is our year.  It's a presidential election year.  

            The goal for 14 is: hold the line and don't get cocky.  

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

            by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:22:34 PM PDT

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            •  Of course. (0+ / 0-)

              But really, I'm much less concerned with a post 2014 "pity party" than I am with getting huge turnout for the Dems in an off-year.  Ever seat we pick up - and note that we now ARE expected to pick up seats, rather than lose them - narrows the Repubs last reaminign margin of influence.  And this debacle is having the double effect of firing up our base and turning the swayables sharply against them.

              Yeah, it can blow over, and there'll certainly be no call to declare victory anytime soon.  But truthfully, historically this kind of thing has a lingering odor, blatant gerrymandering or no.  Voter memories can be longer than you think, if you give them something really obviously odious to stick in the mind.  And right now, the TPers are obliging us with just that.  ;-)  

              •  Gotta agree. (0+ / 0-)

                There's 800,000 federal employees out there with friends and family who are taking a dim view of all this stupidity.  They're definitely going to remember going without paychecks.  If they remember WHY, then there's a chance of defeating Big Bucks and gerrymandering.   It might even occur to some of the tbagger, Faux News devotees that there is another world out there and it might be worth exploring.    

      •  I think it defuses the whole "Why won't DEMS (0+ / 0-)

        come to our conference committee" thing.

        If Rs vote against their OWN bill, then they just look more like hostage takers and that they aren't really interested in working this out.

        NOT to mention that it puts the sequestration level spending in place for 120 days.  

    •  But is good politics... (22+ / 0-)

      Right now, the meme is that a small faction of the House is holding this up.  A discharge petition will put lie to that meme.

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

      by RichM on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:38:37 AM PDT

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      •  OH, I AGREE!! (8+ / 0-)

        This is brilliant politics.  It's kick in the ribs to those who keep saying, "well, I'd vote for a clean CR blah blah blah."  

        Ok, now you have the opportunity.  We're giving you a chance to put up or shut up.  Either you mean it or your with the Tea Party.  So anyone who tries to through the TP under the bus on the Sunday shows will now have to explain why they're not signing this petition.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:42:34 AM PDT

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      •  Would it? (4+ / 0-)
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        msdrown, ferg, pashber, Buckeye Nut Schell

        That same fraction would be just as potent at scaring moderates away from a discharge petition.  But does it matter?

        Right now the optics are that a small percentage of House Republicans are stopping the show.  If the discharge petition fails, then the paradigm shifts form a "small faction in the party" to "the entire Republican Caucus in the House is keeping the shutdown/lockout going".  So instead of making the 30-40 in the TP contingent look like assholes, they make the entire GOP look like [the] assholes [we know them to be].

        The only way a discharge petition DOESN'T work for the Dems is that (a) it fails and (b) the public blames the Dems for that failure.  Otherwise, the "we're trying to put an end to this but they won't let us" argument that Boner and Cantor are trying to make with the "pleas" for a conference committee turns in the Dems favor.

        So just because it won't pass doesn't mean they shouldn't do it.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:09:15 PM PDT

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    •  "Moderate Republicans" are known as "Democrats". (9+ / 0-)

      Congress is broken and Americans are broke.

      by kitebro on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:46:18 AM PDT

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      •  Sadly true,I read somewhere that the modern (2+ / 0-)
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        kitebro, Buckeye Nut Schell

        Democratic Party is having to be the Hard Left Democratic Party and Liberal Democratic Party and Moderate Democratic Party and Fiscal Conservative Republican Party and Moderate Republican Party all at the same time while The Republican Party has went Extreme Right Party.

    •  Don't be so sure (4+ / 0-)

      Are you aware of the beating those moderate repubs are taking at home in their districts?   By the way, there is no Hasert rule.  He said so himself a couple of days ago.  As for Boner, I think the teabagging repubs will kick him out of the speakership no matter what he does.

    •  There is no Hastert rule. (5+ / 0-)

      Hastert, himself, confirmed that he never had such a rule.  He looked for bills that would pass but didn't care from where the votes came.  In doing so he was open to discussion with anyone and kept fighting down.
      I like Pelosi's idea, though.

      "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

      by rainmanjr on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:47:45 AM PDT

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      •  If... (1+ / 0-)
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        Buckeye Nut Schell

        ...there were no Hastert Rule we wouldn't be here right now.  He's got the votes to pass the CR.  But if he agree to votes that he can't win with his own majority, then the power of the Tea Party ends.  And all the mods risk a challenge from the right.  That's how the TP holds its power.  They won't agree to passing bills without a majority of the GOP caucus.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:10:54 PM PDT

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        •  If I find the link I'll post but... (0+ / 0-)

          I just yesterday read Hastert explaining that he had no such rule.  It's a small point but I'm not enamored of errors in facts.  

          "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

          by rainmanjr on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:18:23 PM PDT

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          •  History tells it different. (0+ / 0-)

            Hastert may claim that he had no such rule, but he was the one to voice that his job as speaker was to please the majority of his majority, not the House as a whole. How he ran the House certainly shows it. If you look at his time as Speaker, the only votes that broke the Hastert Rule were bills with strong, but not majority, Republican support. Now that may not technically be a "Rule" when he's free to break it at will, but we often refer to guiding principles as rules, even when they are not binding.

            Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

            by rhonan on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:50:58 PM PDT

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          •  Let me help (0+ / 0-)

            Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

            by Just Bob on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 01:25:24 PM PDT

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            •  That's it. Thanks, Just Bob. n/t (0+ / 0-)

              "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

              by rainmanjr on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:06 PM PDT

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    •  And if they don't do it (8+ / 0-)

      that almost guarantees that Democrats will run an ad against them.

      It's a nice pincer attack we've got going here.  Either sign on to the petition and get Teabagged, or don't sign on to the petition and get hammered by Democrats.

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:47:56 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not quite as convinced as CrazyHorse (3+ / 0-)

      but I don't see it happening either.  Maybe leave off the last "never" and a couple of "evers".  Never mind destroying Boner -- he's toast anyway. Never mind, even, about Hastert.  That'll survive regardless.

      But flog them with the fear of a primary and it becomes a matter of survival.  Which, if you think about it makes no sense.  If they live in a moderate district -- which you would assume since they got elected there -- then a TP primary challenger isn't going to sway the voters in that district by "exposing" them as moderate.  And if they live in a RW district they probably aren't thinking about crossing the picket line in the first place.  So a primary is actually a pretty small threat.  But it's still a threat, and Congresscritters don't like those.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:51:18 AM PDT

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      •  It only takes about 10% of the Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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        Buckeye Nut Schell

        Supposedly a majority of Republicans are against the shutdown and only hope it goes away so that they don't have to face teabaggers in a primary.  BUT the shutdown is NOT popular.  Sure, the teabaggers support it, by a modest margin, but the percentage of registered Republicans who claim they support the "tea party" is declining.  So the primary threat is declining.

        Sure, there are still a lot of gerrymandered districts where the threat of being teabagged in the primary will keep the current rep from supporting discharge. But at least 10% can probably be pulled from either swing districts or places where the teabaggers aren't dominant.  A popular incumbent can say "enough was enough" and get away with it.

        So I think the discharge petition approach can work.

      •  Thinking Like an Honest Person (1+ / 0-)
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        Buckeye Nut Schell

        Yeah, but you guys are thinking like nice quiet honest citizens and not like a Washington politician.  Are you aware that when you retire from Congress, if you don't intend to run again, then whatever cash is left over in your warchest...is YOURS?  That's right.  

        So your campaign account, over the years, becomes your little retirement nest egg.  There's a point in your career where depleting that war chest just to win one more term isn't worth it.  An House incumbent likes a nice cheap re-elect where they can bank bucks.  

        So it works like this: if you have to expend your warchest fighting off an opponent and then emerge to a challenger in a moderate district bloodied, there goes the rest of your bankroll.  It's too much trouble.  You want to minimize that primary threat and move for an easy re-elect.  It's a financial as well as personal strategy.  Plus after you've been in Washington a while, who the hell wants to go home to face some frothy mouthed Ted Cruz type in fire halls and senior centers?  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:16:36 PM PDT

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        •  So they have to be bought (1+ / 0-)
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          Buckeye Nut Schell

          When do the money people decide that they can't allow the lunatics to run the asylum?  I don't know.  Maybe the crazies are still useful but Republicans tend to like things a bit more orderly having an authoritarian bent so is there a point when they are willing to insure the moderates?  Not all districts are totally wacko and if they're not you need money to defeat a well known establishment Republican.  

        •  I'd forgotten that angle (1+ / 0-)
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          Buckeye Nut Schell

          Actually, I believe you can keep your funds even if you lose in the general election... if you're clever enough.  I forget how it works exactly, but Colbert had a campaign finance expert on to explain it during the run up to the 2012 election. And if I recall correctly, you don't even have to report it to the IRS.  Slimy, dishonest... but legal.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:49:09 PM PDT

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    •  and the 'baggers would trash those 18 as RINOs (0+ / 0-)
      According to Sargent, House Democrats believe they could force a vote as soon as Oct. 14—if enough Republicans are willing to cross the aisle and join Democrats in signing the petition.

      In theory, there should be enough Republicans willing to sign the discharge petition for this tactic to succeed. There are 200 Democrats, and if 18 of the 22 Republicans who claim they support a clean funding bill sign the petition, we'd have a vote and the shutdown crisis would be over.

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

      by annieli on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:58:49 AM PDT

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    •  But you say that like it's a bad thing! (0+ / 0-)
      It would destroy the Hastert rule, destroy Boehner's power, and guarantee primary challenges from the right.

      Habit of eating have been found increased in people, they just need a sitting place where they can finish their hunger. -- spammer pauldavis 8/21/13

      by Senor Unoball on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:12:36 PM PDT

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    •  Hastert "Rule" (1+ / 0-)
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      Just Bob

      I thought Hastert himself revealed no such rule exists. It is something Boehner created to justify his actions. He doesn't bring the clean CR to the floor for no other reason than he is afraid of the Tea party caucus.

    •  Moderates? Barry effing Goldwater was the (0+ / 0-)

      last so called "GOP Moderate".

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 01:39:33 PM PDT

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  •  No doubt Boehner's staff is scowering the rulebook (9+ / 0-)

    to allow him to ignore it...

    He's fighting for his political life for Pete's sake™

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:28:39 AM PDT

  •  Stand and be Counted......how long do the GOoPer (16+ / 0-)

    moderates think they'll be allowed to walk the fence?

  •  it makes senses (11+ / 0-)

    as a tactic to get boehner to call the vote himself, rather than risk losing on both a clean CR AND lose on a discharge petition.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:30:23 AM PDT

  •  thanks to blueaardvark for (20+ / 0-)

    posting this diary first, here.

    lots of points of information and answers to questions, with good comments.

    but that's in addition to jed's awesome pelosi pic ♥

    @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution. * Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:31:37 AM PDT

  •  If I Was Boehner (15+ / 0-)

    If John Boehner had two brain cells to rub together he would be begging Republican moderates to sign off on the discharge petition.  It would let Boehner off the hook without violating the Hastert Rule and provoking a revolt from the Tea Party Crazies.

    The trick would be to find 20 Republicans who are willing to stick their necks out when Boehner isn't.

    •  And... (4+ / 0-)
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      Nina Katarina, NM Ray, LSophia, Tod

      totally undermine his speakership.  All his power right now is derived from the Hastert Rule.  If he was willing to pass bills using Dem votes, the Tea Party would have no voice.

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:39:10 AM PDT

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      •  He's broken the Haster Rule before.. (2+ / 0-)
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        I don't get why this is such a big deal. Who died and make Dennis Hastert king?

        It's a totally dysfuntional way to run the House of Representatives - especially when the Dem/Rep split is so close, and the Senate is controlled by the other party.

        Freedom isn't free. That's why we pay taxes.

        by walk2live on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:54:57 AM PDT

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      •  Game Theory (2+ / 0-)
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        Apost8, willyr

        The question is if Boehner sees a better option or if he thinks that he has to choose the "least bad" of two bad options.

        1.  Boehner could just violate the Hastert rule and bring a clean CR to the floor. or

        2.  Boehner could quietly support the discharge petition so a clean CR comes to the floor in a way that Boehner can say it's not his fault.

        If Boehner is convinced those are the only two options (other than option 3 - the shutdown continues forever) than he might well decide that Door Number 2 is the better alternative.  The question is if Boehner still believes he can get to some other deal that's even better.

      •  The Hastert "Rule" is (2+ / 0-)
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        ferg, Betty Pinson

        nothing of the sort. It's a convention, nothing more.  There's nothing I know of in the House procedural rules that requires a "majority of the majority" to bring a bill to the floor for a vote.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:13:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Agree, its a fabrication (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          msdrown

          a political tool Hastert came up with to play games with House Dems and bottle up the legislative process.

          It has no function other than to obstruct government.

          It's long past time to retire the right wing's political toy.

          "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:27:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Boehner's already neutered himself (9+ / 0-)

    by allowing Ted Cruz to become the de facto Speaker of the House. If that's there concern, it's much ado about nothing.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:31:47 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, put those "moderates" on the spot. (6+ / 0-)

    Do it.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:32:38 AM PDT

  •  Don't hold your breath. The so called GOP (8+ / 0-)

    Moderates are in on the crazy train. All these republicans are pure thugs -- every single one. All the North Eastern Repubs need to be thrown out come 2014.

    •  They're not crazy, but they're cowardly & partisan (3+ / 0-)

      enough that there is just no way in hell they will sign onto the Discharge Petition if it is being spearheaded by Democrats.  

      The best scenario for these cowards, would be for them to caucus privately and all come forward (20-30 of them) as the spearheaders of the discharge petition.  Dems then follow their lead.

      Sure, that could happen.  Just like the best scenario for me would be knowing tonight's lottery numbers in advance.

    •  Call them out (0+ / 0-)

      At least this will make the "moderates" show their true partisan colors.  They may not be the conductors on the crrazy train, but they're willing passengers.

      Make them run on their votes next election.

      "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:30:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Dem heroes -- cannot happen soon enough (4+ / 0-)

    Lives are at stake, via everything from storm warnings to cancer treatments to food inspections to aviation safety. If Dems can lead and prevail against these intransigent extremists, they are true heroes.

  •  And the optics for Boehner are TERRIBLE (9+ / 0-)

    Because since this is a Republican bill, it is by definition bi-partisan if the Democrats get even a couple of signatures from the alleged moderates.

    MY DIARY.

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:33:36 AM PDT

  •  Do it (20+ / 0-)

    I don't think those 22 supposedly ready to bolt Republicans will do it, but that is all well and good. It will at least show that the Democrats -- the sane portion of the House -- is trying to actively resolve the crisis. Make those supposedly moderate Republicans cast a vote with extortionists or with the People, who'll it be. This way if it fails, NONE of them will be able to say to their independent voters that they were willing to end the shutdown but Boehner never gave them a chance. Hang them by their votes.

    And in the rare case 18 of them do sign, it'll split the party even more than it is today, and that's a good thing.

    It's an excellent strategy coming from an excellent legislative strategist.

    I'm just Double Tapped the hell out.

    by pajoly on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:34:04 AM PDT

  •  Like Mr T, I pity the fool (6+ / 0-)

    I pity the fool who went up against Nancy Pelosi in vote-whipping and parliamentary maneuvers with DEATH on the line!

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:35:11 AM PDT

  •  Luv it: Ted Cruz with a smile! (3+ / 0-)
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      Calling their bluff would at least inform the populace of who exactly are the hostage takers.  

  •  and the other problem is the debt ceiling (0+ / 0-)

    Oct. 14, great. So if Boehner seriously doesn't f up the debt ceiling, sounds like some pretty intense drama.

  •  It's worth a try. The more pressure that is put (5+ / 0-)

    on moderates the more likely we are to get a resolution.  The fact is that there is no democrat in the world that will be able to negotiate with these terrorists.  The only ones that will be able to maybe negotiate are their fellow Republicans.  And right now they are trying to keep their heads down and walk a fine line between pretending to support the nuts and pretending to be reasonable.  They need to be put on the spot as often as possible.

    The TP terrorists are bullet proof and thus don't need the big business Chamber of Congress money that is the usual lifeblood of the Republican party.  There is starting to be evidence that that money is very unhappy.  The TP still won't care but the less secure Republicans who need that money to run will.  So lets give them every chance to piss of big money and risk destroying the credit-worthiness of the US.  Because honestly, other than capitulation, the President and the Democrats can't stop them.  But right now they are hiding behind silly partial funding bills and rhetoric.  Lets make them take a stand.  Even if it isn't the stand we want it also isn't a stand they want either.

    "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

    by stellaluna on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:36:14 AM PDT

    •  I think they do want it. (3+ / 0-)
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      stellaluna, greenbell, bryduck

      You're correct on most everything except that they don't want this stand.  I think default is exactly what they want.  Keep in mind that they don't portend to only speak for America.  They seek to destroy European Socialist govt as well so would be just fine with a world-wide Depression.  Other than that, I agree with the idea that business money is starting to seek sympathetic Rep's who will risk a primary and stand up to the Tea's.  Will there be enough of them and will they respond?  We'll see but I think Boehner is one of those Rep's.

      "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

      by rainmanjr on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:11:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I mean that it isn't what big money or the (0+ / 0-)

        "moderate" Republicans want.  I do believe the TP wants it.  They really meant it when they campaigned that they wanted to drown the Government.  Big money thought they had a secret agreement and that they only wanted to drown the poor people's government.  They can't believe they really meant it.  I think Boehner is one.  But he wants his job too.  They need to be forced to make public (and unpopular) decisions every day.  I think they miscalculated.  While we were righteously incensed that the President caved all of those other times I think one thing was accomplished.  I think, because it has happened so often, the general public knows which side keeps threatening to shut down the government.  That knowledge isn't any more nuanced than that but it is helping now.  No matter what silly games the GOP plays to shift blame the details aren't mattering.  The public knows from previous experience which side stands for what.  And no matter what they try, they still keep getting blamed.  Just like making it about Obamacare.  Also a mistake.  They know which party wants to do away with Obamacare.  So the combination of this not being the country's first rodeo on this issue and it starting off about Obamacare was a huge mistake on the part of the GOP in my opinion.  At least as far as the blame game goes.  So we can keep forcing them to make bad decisions without worrying that the blame will shift.

        "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

        by stellaluna on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:28:57 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Sorry I read this too late for a Rec (0+ / 0-)

          You may be right about Boehner but you certainly put most of the rest of it correctly.  I wish Obama had stood up to them more, especially during the talks which led to sequestration, but I'm not sure that he could have.  He's been hampered by the need to avoid "angry black man" perception and standing up to the white GOP might have cost him the approval for his position now.  Nor do I think this fight was avoidable, anyway.  You see how much blame Obama gets, even from our own side (at best getting the equivalency shrug), so I tend to give him a break.  I'm really happy that the concessions have had the effect of putting the GOP at almost full blame for this shutdown...and possible default.  Sometimes being justified and cheered is a hard won affair.

          "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

          by rainmanjr on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:33:35 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Can Boehner defeat this? (1+ / 0-)
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    rainmanjr

    Obviously the big question is whether 17 R's cross over and support it. But can the Republican House leadership scuttle it? I suppose it's possible that they weren't careful enough to leave this opening, but I find that extremely implausible.

    I'm not counting on this to work, but if it fails I'd rather it be because moderates chickened out than it was tabled backdoor. That would be a more valuable lesson to the public about the GOTP.

    •  no, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Berkeley Fred

      The discharge petition manuever is the mechanism to override a previous leadership scuttle.  If a majority of the chamber wants it and wants it enough to defy leadership it will come up for a vote according to the timetable/rules of discharge petitions.  I think there are only 2 days a month where successfull discharges can be voted on and the next one is the 14th.  It must also have been tabled by the chair for an entire previous month (making the Senate CR a much longer discharge).  And I think I've read that if it gets discharged than voted down that bill cannot be re-discharged.  Maybe even any similar bill.

      Question- because this is Lankford's bill does Lankford count as an existing discharge signature?  In that case, 1 down.

  •  It's the moderates' only hope for survival (5+ / 0-)

    The moderates are going to get primaried from the right no matter what they do.  And they're probably going to lose.

    Even if they win the primary they'll lose to the Democrat in the general.  

    Democrats will be running on all the idiotic things that the Republicans are saying and doing right now.  They'll be running on the paychecks, the closing of parks, the loss of jobs and money, and specifically the lack of focus on the issues that Americans really care about.

    These guys are going to lose if they follow Boehner.  The only way they survive is if they throw Boehner under the bus with the rest of the Tea Party.  And they can only do that if they get the OK of the money machine.  That's not forthcoming, so these guys are toast.

    Why not just do what you know is right, then?

  •  i'm curious about whether gop rep james (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LSophia, msdrown

    lankford, who sponsored the original bill, would actually sign it.

    •  Didn't John McCain do the same thing? (0+ / 0-)

      or was that McTurtle.  Voted against his own bill.  

      Lankford was for it before he was against it.

      •  Senate rules are different. (0+ / 0-)

        A lot of times the Senator who proposes a bill ends up voting against it, because only in that way can s/he bring it up again.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Sat Oct 05, 2013 at 12:09:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Rooting for this! (5+ / 0-)

    Thinking kind and powerful thoughts about Nancy right now.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:39:28 AM PDT

  •  I must amend Harry Reid (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jerry056, citizenx, chloris creator

    "They're all a bunch of cowards."

  •  what i want to know is (0+ / 0-)


    do they need to get the signatures NOW?

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:41:14 AM PDT

  •  Great! Push this now (0+ / 0-)

    So when some Republicans waver, Pelosi can finish this.

  •  for moderates GOP Reps- double edged sword (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    defluxion10, chloris creator

    Support Clean HR- risk facing primary challenge from right

    Vote against HR - risk hurting themselves in general election

    Heard on Morning Joe that 1st missed paychecks will be next week and that is really when constituents get upset

  •  Teahadist base response: (17+ / 0-)

    (aka Freepers):

    Warning to Republicans...do this and you’re history.

    Period.

    I hope the Republican house leadership is making sure that it is known that any Republican House member who’s name appears on said petition will become persona-non-grata in the party and lose his or her committee assignments.
    Any RINO who votes with the RATs has no political career left, IMO.
    There is a simple way for Boehner to avoid this even if democrats get the signatures....adjourn the house before the vote takes place. Then NOTHING can be voted on until the house is back in session...
    At one point, I would have said, “time for a third party”, or “I’ll never financially support the GOP again”.

    But this kind of response is satisfying to Dems. Daily Kos likes to post FR outrages.

    hehehe...
  •  BS! Not even 10 more days of this travesty! (2+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, GWinkler

    boehner needs to bring the senate bill to the floor before the sun goes down today and get those people back on the job tomorrow a.m. Or Monday, as the case may be.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:51:22 AM PDT

  •  MORE COMMNUST BULL SHIT! (7+ / 2-)

    Only a COMMIE would go for this COMMIE Trick OBAMACARE=DEATH we must make USA DIE SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE TO DIE SO THEY WILL CHOOSE LIFE=FREE MARKET READ JOHN 3:4!!!SO WAKE UP AMERICA before it is TOO LATE.

  •  I agree it won't pass (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    chloris creator

    But the Dems need to do something because right now they are getting painted into being the party of "no". Never mind that they are saying no to hostage taking terrorists, the longer the ball keeps being pitched by Speaker Tang and his merry band of Teabaggers, the more the Dems have to keep saying no.  

    This at least sends a pitch back at them AND gives a chance for us to slam the hell out of our individual Congressweasels for their "no" votes (since right now they are claiming they would love to get the government and us back to work and keep voting yes to do so).  This backs the moderates and pretend-moderates with very angry constituents into a corner by taking their cover away.

  •  It would neuter Boehner, but ... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jds1978

    if your choices are to get neutered by Democrats or get Ol' Yellered by Republicans, which do you think he'd pick?

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

    by dhonig on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:52:11 AM PDT

  •  I sure as hell wouldn't want to be one of the (5+ / 0-)

    couple of dozen who would say they'd vote for a clean resolution. I suspect most said it because they thought it wouldn't happen. As crazy as the teabaggers are I'd be scared for my safety if I voted for this.

  •  I think it's a good idea, and possibly face-saving (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    our better angels, 88kathy

    I earlier posted about this, and was told it was not possible. To me, it seems a good idea, and if Boehner were completely sober at some point, he might see it as a bit of face-saving for him. He would be forced into opening the government.

    It's certainly worth a try, and I'm not surprised Nancy Pelosi would go for it, at least she has some real leadership ability, whereas none but the bad kind are to be found in the other party.

  •  Was this really "just discovered? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy

    I wonder why, with the budget squarely at issue for some time (!) and plenty of staffers watching bills from the first moment of introduction, this just came to light.

    It seems as likely that Leader Pelosi can count Republican votes, too!

    No, this is pressure!

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 11:58:19 AM PDT

  •  Sequester Levels (2+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, PorridgeGun

    "Sequester levels" seems to be $986 billion, which is lower than the Dims and Prez wanted and, from what I understand, the Ryan budget.  If we restart the gov, it will be at President Ryan's funding mark.  The Repugs have won and we shouldn't forget it.

    •  Yes and no (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      gmoke

      Yes it is a lower funding level, but a lot of the cuts come at the expense of the military, which if I remember right was def NOT in the Ryan Budget.

      Not that that makes it ok.

      Romney: Believe in (half of) America

      by kmoros on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:02:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  At least it gets us funded at something over Zero. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        gmoke, 88kathy

        And then we can start the negotiations the Repubs pretend to want.  Or wipe the floor with them when they refuse after all the tantrums for it.

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:31:06 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The great thing about this even if it (4+ / 0-)

    does not work it one shows House Democrats trying to do something positive to end the shutdown and then later the debt-default and two shows that it is all of the House Republicans fault that the Shutdown continues and not just a handful of them plus Cruz.

  •  Gerrymandering only goes SO far (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LSophia, Jim H

    You can squeeze out extra districts with a measurable advantage, but that's not the same as every single 2012 R as a "lock" next year. Those R's in districts with lower (single digit) PVI's won't be sitting pretty with a passel of constituents whose Social Security checks went awry (or they're 64 and can't enroll in Medicare now, etc.), need an expedited passport for a family emergency, received a nasty letter from the IRS regarding a situation where they're actually innocent; yes, I know the IRS isn't acting under shutdown, but still ..... For example, here in WA, I can't see this doing Jamie Herrera Butler a lot of good; we have no Gov or Sen race next year, so she gets to face the music all by her lonesome at the top of the ballot, and "Obama made me do it!" won't help if his name's not not there as a foil.

    •  Plus, if the tea party (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PorridgeGun, chloris creator

      decides to primary moderate Republican seats, that's time, energy and money they spend that they can't spend challenging Democratic incumbents or tossup districts elsewhere.

      Pelosi is freaking brilliant - she looks effective, it looks as the Democrats are trying to do something positive, it exposes and deepens the fissures between the Republican and their TeaParty wing, and it puts even more pressure on the Republican leadership.

      I wouldn't ever go up against her in a legislative battle.  It's not just that she knows every trick in the book - she wrote half of the book!

  •  Anyone know how to eliminate the (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drmah

    pop-up "share" mini-windows that have just started appearing below front page posts?  Sorry for off topic, but I looked on DK4 FAQ and could not find this... Having Facebook "share this" mini-windows options after every FP diary is very annoying.

    Adjusting to living in a police state. 1984 is here.

    by ceebee7 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:02:48 PM PDT

  •  Am I missing something? (2+ / 0-)
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    CrazyHorse, bryduck

    Everyone seems to think Boehner is a liability for the more moderate GOPers and he is in jeopardy because the Tea Party has him by the short hairs.  It seems to me like he has worked out a very sweet deal (albeit with Satan).  He is doing the bidding of the tea party while simultaneously proving cover for the moderates (or pretend-moderates who are laying low because they have heavy federal constituencies).  How is this a problem for him?  I am not being contrary - just trying to understand.

  •  Won't happen. I hope it does, but it won't. (0+ / 0-)

    This is a hail Mary pass -- the GOP has decided to stand HERE.

    Pick whatever metaphor you want: Rear-guard action, Thermopylae, whatever, if the GOP wants to maintain any power in the future they have to stop things now.

    Democracy isn't the point.  Power is.  Demographics are against them, and they feel that giving healthcare to those that they already despise hastens the end.

    Why else have Citizens United, gutting of the Voting Act, Koch-sponsored idiots like Walker and McCrory, been given their chance?

    This is it, people.

    They will bring it all down (government, economy, you name it) and then try to impeach Obama.

    In a word: Treason.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:12:05 PM PDT

  •  I say give it a whirl. It as least shows the (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skod, 88kathy

    public you are trying everything!!

  •  Go get 'em, Nancy! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BannedAtSlate, 88kathy

    I have never seen Nancy Pelosi (or Harry Reid) this good.
    The Dems have finally grown a backbone.
    It’s not a moment too soon.
    The GOP is lurching the country from one crisis to another.
    We risk having a national nervous breakdown.

    In the (K)now blog Http://warrenswil.com/

    by Warren Swil on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:29:18 PM PDT

  •  don't hold your breath. (0+ / 0-)

    :/

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:40:30 PM PDT

  •  Just, DO something!! ... (0+ / 0-)

    Repubs keep changing the game and Dems do nothing.

    Doing nothing doesn't help people suffering from Repub imposed shutdown and sequester austerity.

    Calling each other names is childish.

    Dems need to begin acting like the grown ups in the room.

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:44:00 PM PDT

    •  You might want to re-read the diary. This is (0+ / 0-)

      something. The Republicans want to repeal a law by shutting down the government. That would require a Constitutional Convention. You repeal a law by repealing a law.

      It is true the Republicans are out to destroy the government.

      Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

      by 88kathy on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 07:30:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Zero Moderates (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Berkeley Fred

    I wish the media would stop reporting abt 20 or 30 moderates. There are zero. True leaders stand up for what's right. Talk is Cheap.

  •  Our best bet is 10 days away? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy

    did I miss read that?  This couldn't work until Oct 14 the earliest?  

    I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

    by Mote Dai on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 12:57:32 PM PDT

    •  Republicans find governing a shut down (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mote Dai

      government just their cup of tea.

      Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

      by 88kathy on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 07:27:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just for fun (0+ / 0-)

    I emailed my crazy representative, CW Bill Young about this petition.  He posted a note to his website yesterday saying that the time has come to put aside partisan politics and fund the government.  I said "Here's your chance..."  Of course, he's the guy who sent his son to debate in his place and told a constituent to "get a job" when asked about minimum wage, so I don't expect much from him.

  •  Hmm (0+ / 0-)

    Won't work. Won't pass. Makes the Dems look like they are being dishonest and bending the rules. Makes the Repubs dig in their heels harder. All the Dems need to do is sit and wait. Right now, the blame is squarely on the shoulders of Repubs and they will have to give sooner or later.

    •  I'm thinking Pelosi didn't work this out to win. (0+ / 0-)

      She is doing it to stop the shutdown. Put it in Drive and go. Enough of this Reverse Tea Park.

      Only gun owners can control their guns and they say oopsie way too much. I lost it, I forgot it, it just went off. Support Gun Kill Speed Limits and Gun Ownership Speed Limits.

      by 88kathy on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 07:24:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Using the Law to Settle This (0+ / 0-)

    Why didn't the GOP think of that?

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 02:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Awesome! In so many ways n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Fri Oct 04, 2013 at 02:14:23 PM PDT

  •  Rep. (0+ / 0-)

    I will never vote for a Republicans if they let the US Gov. go back to work. He said it was not a game, will it is not and if it is not then the Republicans can not and should not vote to let the shut down be over.

  •  Getting people to sign a discharge petition might (0+ / 0-)

    be easier than you think.  Right now John Boehner is under tremendous pressure to not do anything, out of fear of losing his speakership.  If there is any fight left in him, it will be needed the most for the debt ceiling fight.  And he will surely only be able to force a vote on one of these two issues.  So if the moderates sign the discharge petition, they are taking 'that' pressure off of him.  He has already said that he will not allow us to go into default on the national debt.  So this is maybe a good thing for him.  At least we can hope it is -- and that there remains in him a small amount of duty to his country instead of only to a minority within his party.

  •  Isn't "moderate Republican" an oxymoron? (0+ / 0-)

    How about "less-extreme Republicans" instead?

  •  The discharge petition will need the few GOP... (0+ / 0-)

    ...reps actually safe in their districts regardless of being overly moderate on the present Republican curve to do something they haven't done in a while: practice politics. In olden times (by Tea-bagger standards), House members would routinely assure bills having positive impacts on their respective districts actually had support from fellow legislators (gasp) including members of the opposing party (double-gasp). Everybody would bring something home to their district and get re-elected without having to spend the enormous amounts of money truly special interests now throw their way.

    One such person is retired NFL John Runyan, who's already publicly demanded a clean CR. Can he get other House members to join him using this arcane process previously mentioned, or will he be a poster child for concussive brain injury that lingers long after hanging up the cleats?

    To think our future and possibly the world's financial future/apocalypse might rest on the ability of his staff rather than his own personal political prowess!

  •  Just get it done already (0+ / 0-)

    I never seen such foolishness as we are seeing now.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 07:16:17 AM PDT

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