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Seven of 33 guns discovered by TSA agents LAST week. Because THIS week, their blog is shut down.
Lots of eyes, including my own, on the government shutdown this week. I can't imagine that that really slowed the pace of accidental shootings, but it seems to have slowed the pace of reporting of them in the news at the very least.

This week was heavy on the police involvement in GunFAIL incidents. Five active duty police officers were accidentally shot this week, and a sixth—a Houston, Texas, school district officer—had his gun just plain snatched away from him. But don't worry. That never happens, so it clearly won't happen again. Probably. Even if you put 10 or 100 times as many guns in our schools. Just for good measure, we'll throw in the retired cop who accidentally shot himself in this week's gun-in-the-bathroom mishap (his gun fell off a chair in the bathroom and discharged, shooting him in the leg).

This week also saw four home invasion shootings, two accidents while cleaning loaded guns (plus one while "dismantling" a gun, which is something you'd usually do in preparation for cleaning one). Two of our accidents fall into the familiar "I took the magazine out, so I thought that meant it wasn't loaded" category, and two more were "two-fers," with two people wounded by the same accidentally fired bullets. Just one each this week of some of our other categories: one hunting accident, one man who says he thought his wife was an intruder so he shot her, one man who dropped his gun and shot himself while checking out at a WalMart, and one man out for a walk with his gun who tripped, fell down and shot himself.

Oh, and one gentleman who accidentally shot and killed his girlfriend when he removed the gun he was carrying in his waistband because it made hugging uncomfortable. My assumption is that it was less uncomfortable than being shot to death, but perhaps only if you don't measure over time. In any case, it's not clear that she was given any other option.

There were mercifully few child victims of GunFAIL found this week, though one story in particular stood out from the rest: the story of the 14-year-old boy who intentionally shot his foster father and another man at a hunting cabin at which they were staying, and then accidentally shot himself during his getaway. Outside of that sad story, just four other child victims were found, ages 4, 6, 13 and 14.

And in our last recurring high-volume category, guns were discovered in schools this past week in: Winona, Minnesota; Omaha, Nebraska; Dumfries, Virginia; and Pearland, Texas.

Here's to things staying quiet. This week's list is below the fold.

  1. COLORADO SPRINGS, CO, 9/22/13: Benjamin J. Brown III is accused in the the fatal shooting of Logan Treguier, 20, according to Colorado Springs police. Treguier was found inside a house with a gunshot wound to the chest, following reports of gunfire at 5461 Mosquito Pass Drive, shortly after 11 p.m. According to the affidavit, Brown, 21, initially told investigators he wasn't at the house when the incident occurred. Later, Brown admitted he had been in the basement of the home with Treguier and three other males, the affidavit said. Brown told police he had found a handgun under the couch cushion he was sitting on and when he tried to set it on a table, he fumbled the weapon. "Brown said as he went to catch the gun in his hand, the gun unintentionally discharged and struck Logan Treguier," the affidavit said. "Brown said he then ran to his vehicle and hid the handgun underneath a seat." Brown told police he smoked marijuana upon arriving at Treguier's home and that he had never had firearm training, handled a gun, or shot a gun before Friday's shooting, the affidavit said.
  2. LAWTON, OK, 9/23/13: An overnight shooting sent a Lawton woman to a hospital Tuesday morning. Police say her husband pulled the trigger. Officers were called to a house near 7th and G Avenue at 3 a.m. on reports a 34-year-old woman was shot in the shoulder. Her husband was also there. They both tell police it was an accident. The husband claims he thought his wife was an intruder because they've been dealing with burglars. He told police he saw a shadowy figure standing in his bedroom so he fired a 30 caliber rifle before learning it was his wife.
  3. GERMANTOWN, WI, 9/27/13: Police responded to Community Memorial Hospital after receiving a report that a resident in the N96 W16100 block of County Line Road was being treated for a gunshot wound to his left hand at 7:20 p.m. Sept. 27. The subject allegedly shot himself in the hand accidentally while cleaning his .45-caliber 1911 handgun. The incident is currently under review for possible charges.
  4. EDINBURG, TX, 9/27/13: Hidalgo County Sheriff’s have come forward about an accidental shooting involving swat deputies on Friday. In a statement from Sheriff Guadalupe “Lupe” Treviño, 32-year-old SWAT Member, Angel Gonzalez was accidentally shot in the arm by K-9 Sergeant, Javier Solis during a training exercise at  a building near Highway 281 and El Cibolo Road. [Ed. note: One building in that area: the Hidalgo County Jail.] Deputy Gonzalez underwent surgery and is in stable condition. Sergeant Solis is on administrative leave pending ongoing investigations.
  5. ST. CLAIRESVILLE, OH, 9/27/13: One man was arrested in St. Clairsville on Friday after police received reports of shots fired in the area of Dennis Lane and High Street. At approximately 3:44 a.m., St. Clairsville Police Officer T. J. Stewart, with assistance from the Belmont County Sheriff's Department and the Ohio State Highway Patrol, arrived at the scene and spoke with a Devin Robertson, who was on the rear deck of a home at 137 High Street. Officers then noticed a 9mm assault rifle laying in a chair, and several shell casings laying in the yard and driveway from three different types of guns. The following morning, a resident reported that she discovered a bullet hole which had entered a rear window of her home and lodged in an interior wall. The bullet was reportedly found lodged in the wall within feet of where her children were sleeping.
  6. HARTFORD, CT, 9/28/13: Hartford police say a city officer was shot while responding to a robbery when a gun accidentally fired. Authorities say the officer suffered a non-life threatening arm injury Saturday night while responding to a robbery at a sandwich shop off Franklin Avenue. The officer's name hasn't been released. Police haven't disclosed other details of the shooting. It's not clear if the officer shot himself by accident or was shot by someone else's gun. UPDATE: A Hartford police officer was accidentally shot by a fellow cop as the two were responding to a robbery late Saturday night, according to police. The officers were responding to a robbery at a Subway restaurant on the 400 block of Franklin Street in Hartford. Police say two armed men went into the restaurant, displayed a weapon and took money from the register. When police arrived on the scene, one officer accidentally discharged his gun. It struck another officer in the forearm.
  7. SALEM, OR, 9/28/13: Salem Police are responding to reports of an accidental gunshot wound on the 1500 block of State Street. Police dispatch did not have any other details available. According to radio dispatch, the shooting occurred in a residence.
  8. COATESVILLE, PA, 9/28/13: A Coatesville Police Officer shot herself in the leg, right in front of police headquarters last night while she was trying to arrest a man. The man she was pursuing is being charged with driving under the influence and related offenses. According to a police statement, the officer was attempting to arrest Michael Vega when she pulled out her gun and it went off.
  9. PORTLAND, OR, 9/28/13: A 15-year-old boy was hit by gunfire during a gang shooting in Southeast Portland early Saturday morning, police said. Sgt. Pete Simpson said multiple shots were fired near 139th Avenue and Stark Street at 2:15 a.m. Jordan Miller was sleeping on the floor of his father's apartment when he was shot in the chest. His brother, Shane Abers, said a bullet when through a window, hit a chair, and then hit Jordan. Simpson said Miller's father lives below the apartment of a gang associate. Miller was not the target of the shooting.
  10. JEFFERSON TOWNSHIP, NJ, 9/28/13: A 74-year-old man was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself in the leg, police said. Officer Rich Reina responded to Bear Drive at 11:40 p.m. Saturday in response to a report of a gunshot wound, according to police Capt. Eric F. Wilsusen, a department spokesman. Reina’s initial investigation revealed that Charles Johnson, 73, of Jefferson Twp., was handling his .45 caliber handgun when it accidentally discharged, Wilsusen said. Detective Rich Geib also responded and determined that Johnson was handling the weapon to check on its condition. The weapon did not have a clip in it and Johnson did not realize there was a bullet in the chamber and it accidently discharged, Wilsusen said. The investigation determined the shooting was accidental and no charges are likely to be filed, Wilsusen said.
  11. HALLSVILLE, OH, 9/28/13: A Ross County woman suffered an accidental gunshot wound Saturday when she dropped a .22-caliber rifle, causing the weapon to fire. Angela M. Kuhn, 28, of Hallsville, was carrying the rifle — and several other items — from her Colerain Avenue home to her garage about 10:45 p.m. when the gun fell, hit the ground and went off, said Sgt. Mike Preston, of the Ross County Sheriff’s Office. Kuhn, who was struck in the left side of her chest, was taken by ambulance to Adena Medical Center, Preston said.
  12. CHILHOWIE, VA, 9/28/13: A 10-year-old Smyth County girl was injured over the weekend in an accidental shooting incident. Smyth County Sheriff’s Office reported the incident happened Saturday, Sept. 28 at a residence located off Shuler Hollow Road in the Chilhowie community. SCSO units responded along with Chilhowie Police Department and Chilhowie Fire & Rescue. Deputies found the girl suffering from a gunshot wound to her back. The child was attended to by members of the Chilhowie Fire & Rescue and air lifted by Wings to Johnson City Medical Center. On Monday, the child remained in Johnson City Medical Center. SCSO discovered that after returning from a morning hunting trip, the father of the victim was unloading a firearm which discharged accidentally striking the child. The investigation continues.
  13. ROCHESTER, NY, 9/29/13: A 6-year-old Rochester boy was shot by accident Sunday, according to the Rochester Police Department. The child was shot in the lower body in a house on Rugraff Street, between Lyell Avenue and Jay Street. He was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital and treated for non-life-threatening injuries, Lt. Jeremy Anzalone wrote in a press release. The shooting seems to have been accidental. Police are interviewing the adults who were in the house at the time. No one has been arrested.
  14. YAMHILL, OR, 9/29/13: A 52-year-old man shot and wounded himself when he tried to remove a handgun from a leather holster so he could show the firearm to a friend, according to Yamhill County sheriff's officials. The incident took place Sunday afternoon in the 21000 block of Northeast Fairdale Road in Yamhill. Police said the man, who was not identified, dropped the Colt .45 caliber black powder pistol as he was removing it from a holster. It discharged when it hit the ground. The bullet entered the man's abdomen, traveled upward and lodged in his neck. Police could see the bullet protruding from his skin.
  15. TULSA, OK, 9/29/13: A Tulsa boy was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself while handling a gun, police said. The 13-year-old boy sustained a single gunshot wound to the right wrist shortly after he dropped a loaded .22-caliber pistol about 12:09 a.m. Sunday while at a residence in the 900 block of North Rockford Avenue, police said. It is unknown how the juvenile was able to gain access to the gun, according to police.
  16. WILLIAMSTOWN, WI, 9/29/13: The Dodge County Sheriff’s Department received a call around 8:50 a.m. from officials at Aurora Medical Center in Hartford reporting that a man was in the emergency room receiving treatment for buckshot wounds to the upper torso. Wisconsin DNR Conservation Warden Todd Schaller said the man had been hunting on the state-owned portion of the marsh in the town of Williamstown north of Mayville around 7 a.m. when the accident occurred. “The man was with a hunting party that had walked into the marsh on a trail to do some duck hunting. A bird flew in and one of the hunters took aim and accidentally shot another member in the party,” Schaller said. “This is a case where the group failing to plan out the hunt and establish who was going to be where and then following that plan.” This is the 12th incident in the state of Wisconsin this year where a hunter has been injured with a firearm, Schaller said.
  17. PHOENIX, AZ, 9/30/13: A 24-year-old woman was accidentally shot to death when her boyfriend removed a gun from his waistband because it made hugging uncomfortable, police say. The woman and her 18-year-old boyfriend were embracing Monday near 83rd Avenue and Camelback Road when the gun in his waistband began to cause her discomfort, according to Phoenix police. The gun discharged once, striking the woman. She was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital. Police did not release her identity Tuesday.
  18. PORTLAND, OR, 10/01/13: This afternoon, Tuesday October 1, 2013, 12:59 p.m., East Precinct officers responded to a residence in the 8700 block of Southeast Ellis Street on the report of a shooting with two people injured. Officers and medical personnel arrived and located two victims, a male and a female, suffering from non-life-threatening gunshot wounds. Both people were transported to Portland hospitals for treatment. A preliminary investigation indicates that the male was handling a firearm and unintentionally pulled the trigger, injuring himself and a female.
  19. EVERGREEN, MT, 10/01/13: Evergreen Fire Rescue responded to a South Cedar Drive home after a man accidentally shot himself in the stomach while cleaning his gun. Fire Chief Craig Williams said the man was in stable condition by the time he arrived at the emergency room at Kalispell Regional Medical Center, where he was set to undergo surgery.
  20. COLORADO SPRINGS, CO, 10/01/13: Two people were hurt in an accidental shooting Tuesday evening, according to Colorado Springs police. Both were injured with the same shot. It happened at about 6:30 p.m., in the 3700 block of Rebecca Lane at the Newport Square Apartments, near the intersection of Academy Boulevard and Austin Bluffs Parkway. According to police, 24-year-old Joseph Gunderson was handling a newly-purchased 9mm handgun when it went off. It struck him in the left palm. The bullet then excited his left hand and hit his roommate in the right arm and left side.
  21. MOREHEAD CITY, NC, 10/02/13:  A Morehead City police officer was critically injured after being accidentally shot by another officer Wednesday morning. A law enforcement source identifies him as Officer Garrett Hardin. Vidant Medical Center says the officer was in critical condition Wednesday afternoon. Officials say Hardin was wounded during a tactical training exercise and was transported to Carteret General Hospital in Morehead City.  The shooting happened in the back parking lot of the police department. A man who says he witnessed the shooting tells WITN that it appeared officers were training in and around a police car, and he heard what sounded like several clicks from handguns. The man says one of the guns then went off, wounding the officer who was sitting in the back seat. The man says he heard them yell "officer down, officer down" and then saw more police running to the parking lot.
  22. ANTIOCH, TN, 10/02/13: A man has been sent to the hospital after accidentally shooting himself at a Davidson County Walmart. The shooting happened at the Walmart on 3035 Hamilton Church Road in Antioch around 4 p.m. Wednesday. Company officials confirmed the man was at a cash register when he shot himself in the leg with his concealed weapon as he was checking out. MORE: The man had a valid Tennessee handgun carry permit and was carrying a .40 caliber pistol in his waistband. He felt the gun slipping as he neared a Walmart checkout line with a gallon of milk in hand. When he reached for the unholstered firearm, the gun discharged a single round into his left leg, police said.
  23. HOUSTON, TX, 10/02/13: Police have arrested a man who allegedly snatched a Houston Independent School District officer’s gun Wednesday morning during an altercation near a southeast Houston high school. According to HISD, it happened around 8:30 a.m. about two blocks from Chavez High School, which is located in the 8500 block of Howard. An HISD officer pulled 19-year-old Eduardo Morales over after he was acting suspicious, police said. The officer said he smelled what appeared to be marijuana. A witness said the officer ordered Morales to get out of his car. That’s when the officer pulled out his gun. “The suspect lunges at the officer, disarming the officer, and leaves from the location,” said Detective Jesus Sosa, with HPD Homicide. The HISD Police Department arrested the 19-year-old man at about 1:30 p.m. The suspect, who is a former Chavez High School student, surrendered to an officer at Chavez High School. The stolen gun has been recovered.
  24. MADISON, WI, 10/02/13: A Madison man was arrested Wednesday night after he unintentionally fired a handgun inside an apartment on the North Side, the bullet going through a wall in an adjacent apartment. Joseph Ross, 21, was tentatively charged with second degree recklessly endangering safety, Madison police said in a news release. It happened at about 7:20 p.m. in the 100 block of Kennedy Heights. Police said: Ross, who had been drinking, was handling a 9-millimeter handgun inside his apartment when the gun went off. "The bullet entered a nearby apartment which was occupied by adults and several children," said Sgt. Brian Chaney in the news release. A woman with children present told police she heard a loud noise when the gun was fired, the bullet coming through a wall of her apartment.
  25. BOSSIER CITY, LA, 10/02/13: Bossier City police responded to an accidental shooting Wednesday night that left a man suffering from a gunshot wound to his jaw. Choncy Latrey Fields, 20, of Bossier City was shot just after 9 p.m. as he sat in a car with a friend, Darius Demarcus White, 21, outside a residence in the 300 block of Yarbrough Street. White told Bossier City police the shooting occurred while he was handling a handgun while the two sat in the vehicle. At one point White pulled the trigger and the gun fired with the round striking Fields. White said he had just removed the magazine from the weapon and thought the gun was unloaded however a round remained in the chamber and fired when White pulled the trigger.
  26. COARSEGOLD, CA, 10/02/13:  A retired law enforcement officer from Atlanta shot himself in the leg Wednesday morning in his hotel room at the Chukchansi Gold Resort & Casino in Coarsegold, the Madera County Sheriff's Department said. According to sheriff's spokeswoman Erica Stuart, the man set his gun on a chair in the bathroom of his hotel room and it fell off the chair and discharged, wounding him in his left leg.
  27. GRANITE, OR, 10/02/13: The two Baker County men who were shot to death at a cabin near Granite late Wednesday have been identified as Michael Piete, 43, and Kenneth Gilliland, 64. Piete was the foster father of the 14-year-old boy suspected of shooting the men, Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer said Friday. The three were staying with two others at a cabin at a deer camp on private land off Forest Road 1305 about nine miles southwest of Granite, in Grant County. The cabin is owned by Bill Gilliland, of Tidewater on the Alsea River east of Waldport. He is Kenneth Gilliland’s brother. After the shooting, Bill Gilliland drove to Granite, where he contacted police and ambulance service, Palmer said. According to authorities, the boy left the cabin on foot and at some point accidentally shot himself in the right leg. He returned to the cabin for help and another man held the boy at gunpoint and ordered him to the floor.
  28. LA PLATA, MD, 10/03/13: On Oct. 3 at 5:50 p.m., officers responded to the 10800 block of Hopewell Place in La Plata for the report of an accidental shooting involving a child. When officers arrived, they spoke with the child’s grandmother who said she was outside watching her grandson play. He got into a car which was parked in the driveway and suddenly she heard a gunshot. The child ran to her and she noticed he had an injury to his head. Emergency personnel arrived and the child was flown to a hospital where it was learned he had a graze wound; his injury is not life-threatening. Detectives assigned to the Criminal Investigations Division responded and recovered the gun inside the car. A computer check revealed the gun – a 9mm semi-automatic handgun - is registered to a member of the child’s family.
  29. WASCO CO., OR, 10/03/13: Deputy responded to Tygh Ridge on Highway 197 Thursday afternoon on a report of an accidental gunshot wound to the foot. Victim stated he was walking and had a loaded pistol in his fanny pack, he then fell causing the gun to discharge, shooting himself in the foot. An informational report was taken.
  30. HOUSTON, TX, 10/03/13: A member of Houston Police Department's Tactical Operations Division will be off the job for at least a week after being injured by another officer. It happened Thursday morning at the home of billionaire businessman Tilman Fertitta in River Oaks. According to a source, the officers were practicing a skit that was going to be performed later this month at the True Blue Gala at Fertitta's house. The event is a fundraiser for the police department. One SWAT officer was playing a bad guy and the other officer was playing a good guy who gets shot. The gun was loaded with blanks, but the muzzle blast burned the officer on the abdomen.
  31. COLUMBUS, NE, 10/03/13: A rural Columbus man has been charged with third-degree assault after accidentally shooting his neighbor late Thursday night. According to the Platte County Sheriff’s Office, 30-year-old Trent Kowalski was conducting target practice inside his Collegeview Trailer Park residence around 10:45 p.m. Thursday when the accident occurred. The sheriff’s office says Kowalski was shooting a .22-caliber rifle inside his home at 6034 55th St. No. 545 when a bullet exited the residence and struck 57-year-old Mark Foxvog in the leg. Foxvog was inside his residence at 6024 55th St. No. 546 at the time of the shooting. Foxvog was transported to Columbus Community Hospital, where he was treated and released.
  32. STAMFORD, CT, 10/04/13: Police are investigating what they believe to be an accidental shooting Friday evening when a man in the Cove blew off part of his right hand while dismantling a semiautomatic hand gun. Lt. Diedrich Hohn said police were called to 12 Soundview Ave. on the report of a man shooting himself. When police arrived they found a 34-year-old man who had blown part of his right hand off. Hohn said that the man explained that he was dismantling his .40 caliber Smith & Wesson handgun when the gun went off. Hohn said the man said he did not realize that one bullet was in the chamber when he was taking the gun apart. The slug was fired into the man's right palm and traveled under the skin, exiting through his pinky finger. The slug then went through a wall and lodged in a bedroom bureau, where it was recovered by police. No one else was injured during the incident, Hohn said.
  33. AURORA, IL, 10/04/13: A 14-year-old from Aurora was seriously injured Friday night when another 14-year-old from Aurora accidentally shot him in the leg, apparently while showing him a gun he had found, according to police. The 14-year-old Aurora boy who allegedly fired the gun was charged as a juvenile with reckless discharge of a firearm and is now in Kane County Youth Home, police said. The incident occurred near Boulder Court and Blackstone Drive in Aurora at around 10:20 p.m. Friday. Police responded to a 911 call and found the teen had been shot in the leg. One bullet was fired, police said, apparently by accident.

Originally posted to David Waldman on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:37 PM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), Shut Down the NRA, and Daily Kos.

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  •  as usual, folks who leave a round in the chamber (21+ / 0-)

    while transporting or storing a firearm, believing that this will improve their ready / draw time, need to rethink their sense of personal safety, this includes LEOs, apparently.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:03:53 PM PDT

    •  Actually, your critique has it backward ... (2+ / 0-)
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      I would bet these incidents happened because the shooters were the sort of people who, as a rule, kept the magazine loaded but the chamber empty "for safety reasons". Which is absolutely backward.

      If you carry, you should carry with the chamber and magazine loaded all the time. Not so much because it makes for a faster draw (although it does,  but that shouldn't be the only reason) but ultimately it's actually safer. Gun-safety expert Paul Markel explains why (emphasis mine):

      In an effort to seem reasonable or extra safe, some permit holders will carry their semi-automatic pistols with a loaded magazine in place and the chamber empty. Not on the nightstand mind you, but in their holsters. I’ve also encountered double-action revolver owners who will deliberately prestage an empty chamber so the first hammer strike falls on nothing.

      The reason for this thinking is typically little or no training and a bit of insecurity. In an effort to be “extra safe” by keeping the chamber empty, the gun owner is assuming they will always have the time and ability to draw their pistol and charge a round before they need to fire.

      In both the semi-automatic and revolver scenarios, the shooter is purposely reducing his round count and increasing the amount of time it will take to get the gun in the fight. Should you be attacked with deadly force, time is likely not something you will have on your side and you may need every round you have.

      One of the most dangerous aspects of this practice is you wind up playing the “Is my gun loaded or not?” game. It also leads to “It’s alright, the chamber is empty,” type of thinking. Loaded guns are safe guns because people treat them with respect. I once had a pistol fired into the ground 2 feet from me because the shooter thought the chamber was empty, so it would be safe to dry-fire.

      Potter's First Law, the most important gun-safety rule ever, is that all guns are always loaded, all the time. If you take that heart, it means that yes, you make that a reality because then you become properly careful as a matter of habit.

      People who do the "chamber empty" thing are, IMO, more or less admitting that it crosses their mind far too often to take the gun out and threaten to shoot, or appear ready to, while secretly hoping not to have to. This is why there's Potter's Second Law: Do not point the gun at anything or anyone you are not prepared to accept responsibility for destroying or killing. (One thinks also of how the medieval Japanese samurai had, as part of their honor code, the stipulation that a katana was not to be returned to its sheath unbloodied). To me that follows intuitively from the First Law, but I understand that maybe it's not that way for everyone ...

      •  philosophic premises aside, if you can prove that (5+ / 0-)

        a slamfire can occur in an empty chamber, then one hand can truly be heard clapping...

        otherwise the rest of your text is rationalization since Potter's(sic) law always applies regardless of chamber status and Murphy's law trumps all

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        by annieli on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 04:24:13 PM PDT

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        •  Umm ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... I'm not sure what you mean by this.

          A slamfire happens

          When a new cartridge is being loaded into the firing chamber of the firearm, sometimes the bolt slams the cartridge into the chamber with such force that the weapon fires without the user having pulled the trigger.
          This presupposes a chamber emptied by the previous round. And with most pistols it's very rare (although the Makarov seems to be the exception ... basically, Google on this and "free-floating firing pin" if you really want to know more). So rare that it is one of the few situations in which, depending on how well the gun is/has been maintained and the other precautions you take, an unintentional discharge is genuinely accidental.

          I don't see what it has to do with carrying the weapon fully loaded. It seems to me that a lot more accidents result from people who habitually leave the chamber clear not realizing that it isn't than from people who, not otherwise doing anything stupid, do not have clear chambers and know this.

          If by "slamfire" you mean the weapon accidentally discharging when dropped, well, that's a different issue, and there are safety standards for it (although we seem to have read of three or so in the last two weeks where that actually did happen, as opposed to people just telling the cops that).

          •  yep (0+ / 0-)
            If by "slamfire" you mean the weapon accidentally discharging when dropped, well, that's a different issue, and there are safety standards for it (although we seem to have read of three or so in the last two weeks where that actually did happen, as opposed to people just telling the cops that).

            Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

            by annieli on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 09:40:44 PM PDT

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  •  Unbelievable (24+ / 0-)

    Where's the accountability for non-responsible gun ownership:

    LA PLATA, MD, 10/03/13: On Oct. 3 at 5:50 p.m., officers responded to the 10800 block of Hopewell Place in La Plata for the report of an accidental shooting involving a child. When officers arrived, they spoke with the child’s grandmother who said she was outside watching her grandson play. He got into a car which was parked in the driveway and suddenly she heard a gunshot. The child ran to her and she noticed he had an injury to his head. Emergency personnel arrived and the child was flown to a hospital where it was learned he had a graze wound; his injury is not life-threatening. Detectives assigned to the Criminal Investigations Division responded and recovered the gun inside the car. A computer check revealed the gun – a 9mm semi-automatic handgun - is registered to a member of the child’s family.
  •  Thanks for keeping this dreadful record of gun (21+ / 0-)

    shot before us so we don't get too far away from the violent reality of gun use and abuse.

  •  Thank you and Peace to you, David. (16+ / 0-)

    If you were not using Roman numerals, this might be GunFAIL version .38?

  •  Home invasion? (13+ / 0-)

    Isn't that rightwing terminology for what used to be called plain old burglaries or breaking and entering? I guess it makes it sound better when a homeowner guns down some stupid punk kid from the neighborhood.

  •  "My assumption is that it was less uncomfortable (2+ / 0-)
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    than being shot to death, but perhaps only if you don't measure over time."

    Yeah, I know what you mean.

    "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." --Townes Van Zandt

    by Bisbonian on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:17:02 PM PDT

  •  Tipped & rec'ed (3+ / 0-)
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    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 03:22:01 AM PDT

  •  I had no idea (6+ / 0-)

    guns could go off so easily from being dropped or from someone tripping/ falling while carrying one.  

    I wonder whether if the people involved in Gunfails change their behavior or feelings about guns, or whether it's just the cost of freedom in their eyes.

    •  Accidental fatalities from firearms are very low: (1+ / 0-)
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      Causes of unintentional deaths (0-19 years)
      Per 100,000
      Motor Vehicles: 8.1
      Suffocation: 1.5
      Drowning: 1.3
      Poisoning: 1.2
      Fire: 0.7
      Firearms: 0.2

      0.2 is extraordinarily low.

      Cars have a mortality rate over 40 times that of firearms.
      Suffocation, 7 1/2 times
      Drowning: 6 1/2 times
      Poisoning: 6 times
      Fire (yes, fire): over three times the mortality rate.

      Does this knowledge change your feelings about cars? Rope? Water? Bleach? Electricity?

      Or does it only matter if it is something that you, personally, don't use?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 06:10:13 AM PDT

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      •  Of all of those possibilities (17+ / 0-)

        I put in far more time in a car than any other of those causes of death.  I wear a seat belt, have a car with air bags, maintain my vehicle, carry insurance, and drive carefully and defensively.  I try to avoid circumstances involving suffocating and consuming poison.  I am very cautious around water both for myself and my children.  I have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers to protect myself from fires, and am cautious with open flames.

        And I stay away from people with hand guns or who have a particular need to play with guns frequently.  I grew up in a state with a strong hunting culture, and have no issue with guns for sport.  But the incidents in gun fail show that there are many careless people, or people who seem responsible until suddenly they are not.  There are people playing with guns like they are toys, showing off guns to their friends, and leaving guns where children can get them.  Even law enforcement officers make stupid mistakes.  So if the answer is better gun education and training, then I wish gun lovers would get working more on that instead of just whining about "ooh, they want to take away our guns!"  

        •  If you don't want people to think that their guns (1+ / 0-)
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          won't be banned then the party needs to stop proposing gun bans.
          Particularly when the gun ban bill is proposed to the Senate by someone who has openly espoused confiscating every gun in the USA.

           "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."-Dianne Feinstein

          0.2 per 100,000 is extremely rare, despite the anecdotal GunFAIL diaries.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:09:01 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think any kind of gun ban is ... (5+ / 0-)

            ... constitutional, politically viable or even practical.

            We are not going to reduce gun violence solely through regulation of commerce in guns, anymore than regulating car sales is the way to traffic safety.

            What we can do is regulate the time, place and manner under which arms are kept and borne within the public interest (much as the government can do with speech). We can:

            1. Make it a statutory provision that any mentally competent person who knowingly and willfully takes physical possession of a loaded firearm is presumed to be aware that it is loaded or to have a reasonable belief that it is not.

            2. Likewise, any person knowingly and willfully transferring physical possession of a firearm to another should be presumed to be aware of the degree to which the person to whom the firearm is being transferred can be reasonably expected to handle it safely.

            3. All persons with a firearm on their person will be presumed to be in full control of that firearm at all times. Only those unintended discharges that can be attributed to hardware failure, defective ammunition or any other factor which could not be controlled by the possessor shall be held to be accidental.

            4. Allow sales of assault rifles to anyone, anywhere, who has either qualified on one in military service or, if not, has met the standards of U.S. Marine Fundamental Combat Marksmanship (they would be allowed to train on weapons owned by others, of course). They would be allowed to have limited-size magazines and have other restrictions, and then level up all the way to the equivalent of USMC Advanced Combat Rifle Marksmanship (required of every Marine infantryperson) where there would be no limits (The only exception would be, again, for Army infantry).

            5. All states should be seriously prodded to enact legislation that specifically and explicitly criminalizes even the possession of a firearm while legally intoxicated. Concealed-carry permit holders, like drivers, would by accepting the permit consent to sobriety tests at any time (and I'd even go farther and allow for random drug tests).

            •  Really? (7+ / 0-)
              We are not going to reduce gun violence solely through regulation of commerce in guns, anymore than regulating car sales is the way to traffic safety.
              We regulate car sales pretty stringently.  The gun rights crowd would never accept similar regulations for gun sales.  All vehicles are registered, and they have a VIN as well a a license plate number.  Transfers of title must be documented, and the state knows who the record owner of any given vehicle is.  On top of that, the license must be updated regularly.  Those are just a few of the regulations that apply.  

              We also strictly regulate the type of cars that may be sold.  Federal and state authorities impose comprehensive safety regulations on automobiles.  In addition, state products liability law holds manufacturers accountable for defects in product design, manufacture, or warnings.  This is true even if an automobile complies with all otherwise applicable safety regulations.  

              So while sale regulations may not alone be sufficient to improve traffic safety, they most certainly play a role.  

              "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

              by FogCityJohn on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 05:12:33 PM PDT

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              •  I said "solely" (0+ / 0-)

                Obviously some point-of-sale regs are necessary. But our current approach on this side of the political spectrum to decreasing gun violence would be largely as if we approached car safety largely by advocating for limits to engine sizes and demanding more and more paperwork surrounding the sale, only occasionally trying to pass laws that mandate that cars must have locking steering wheels and/or be kept in garages, while not even discussing putting up traffic lights or stop signs at high-accident intersections.

                It's much easier to regulate how people keep and bear their weapons (which the Second Amendment practically mandates) rather than what weapons they choose to keep and bear or how they acquire them. To put it more bluntly, gun owner control would accomplish a lot more than gun control.

                •  Again, really? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Are you suggesting there should be no controls or limits on the type of weapons people can possess?  That's truly extraordinary, because it's something that applies to no other product I can think of.  

                  It would hardly be difficult to limit what weapons people can acquire.  We do it with all sorts of other manufactured products.  

                  I'd also point out that yours is an argument for much broader gun control than we currently have.  We focus on the things to which you allude only because of the power of the gun lobby.  If we were able to enact sensible legislation, we wouldn't be nibbling around the edges of the problem.  

                  "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                  by FogCityJohn on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 11:51:57 PM PDT

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          •  Your argument still misses the point (8+ / 0-)

            Accepting your statistics arguendo, I would nevertheless submit that first, we accept those higher death rates for, say, cars and swimming pools because we've already implemented safety regulations governing those things. So, more of those deaths can be blamed on individual failings beyond the reach of the manufacturer.

            Second, I'm sure you'll say the same thing about some of these incidents, that no regulation could possibly have prevented them. OK. But when the same type of accident keeps repeating itself, i.e., people unintentionally shooting themselves or others because they thought the gun was unloaded since they had taken the magazine out but there was still a round in the chamber, that's not a situation you can call unpreventable.

            If you have a computer program that keeps producing the same minor but annoying problem, you fix the bug (I'm sure you've called or emailed tech support and been asked if you can repeat the error?). A persistent negative outcome is a systemic flaw, not something to be shrugged at no matter how statistically minimal it might be. An airline that loses one of every half million bags it carries might be doing well but it still tries to fix the problem, especially when it seems to be happening under similar circumstances.

            •  Firearms also have safety regulations..... (0+ / 0-)

              So where are the CarFAIL, AspirinFAIL, RopeFAIL, TubFAIL or LighterFAIL diaries?
              They are all responsible for far higher mortality rates.
              It would seem that current regulations for those items are far more lax.

              One would almost think that the GunFAIL diaries are simply using anecdotal evidence in order to create a false picture strictly political purposes.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 06:33:26 PM PDT

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              •  The Chewbacca defense is beneath you, Frank. (3+ / 0-)
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                I'd like to take you seriously, but you're on a loop. X, Y and Z are more dangerous than guns, therefore there is no need for more regulations. You seem smart enough to know that that's faulty logic.

                For one thing, all those things can only endanger someone in their general proximity, someone who is at least aware they are assuming the risks involved. Only with a gun can negligent use potentially kill someone at a distance completely unaware of the risk.

                You never acknowledge this. When I pointed this out a while back that you never read a news story about someone who accidentally killed the neighbor's kid washing their car, you responded by suggesting that's about as absurd as saying that no one's ever been killed "driving a gun" either. Which was itself an absurd answer, one that seemed more like a determined effort to avoid the point than any BrainFAIL on your part.

                •  It's not a Chewbacca defense. (0+ / 0-)

                  If these diaries are, ostensibly, about safety, there are far more dangerous items that should be getting more attention.

                  Otherwise one would have to conclude that these diaries are simply using anecdotal evidence to fearmonger strictly for political purposes.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:21:14 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  X2 (0+ / 0-)

          nosotros no somos estúpidos

          by a2nite on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 04:22:50 PM PDT

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      •  Mortality from cars is down greatly for children (6+ / 0-)

        Public health efforts have led to substantial reductions in fatalities from automobile accidents for children (down 41% between 2000 and 2009, according to the CDC's mortality and morbidity report, MMWR from CDC.)  Still far too high. But how about advocating for applying the same strategies to firearm deaths of children that we have used to reduce automobile fatalities?
             1. Allow data collection and fund research into modifiable risk factors. (Hint: we know some of these! For example, keep guns locked up away from children.]
             2. Support passage of evidence-based laws to reduce deaths.
             3. Enforce those laws.

        Just because far fewer kids die from brain tumors or leukemia than from car accidents does not mean we should de-fund pediatric oncology, does it? The same concern should apply to protecting kids from firearms. Would that it were as easy to ensure a child did not get leukemia as to ensure that she did not wind up the victim of a fatal firearm accident.

      •  evidently (8+ / 0-)

        you did not read the recent NY Times article n this very subject

        And there are far more of these innocent victims than official records show.

        A New York Times review of hundreds of child firearm deaths found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate, because of idiosyncrasies in how such deaths are classified by the authorities. The killings of Lucas, Cassie and Alex, for instance, were not recorded as accidents. Nor were more than half of the 259 accidental firearm deaths of children under age 15 identified by The Times in eight states where records were available.

        As a result, scores of accidental killings are not reflected in the official statistics that have framed the debate over how to protect children from guns.

        http://www.nytimes.com/...

        The problem with statistics like the ones you quoted as they are guesstimates as there is no real reporting system in place to collect the data

        •  Even assuming the NYT story is correct.... (0+ / 0-)

          Twice the number I linked is still only 0.4 per 100,000, meaning that accidental daaths of children from cars, strangulation, drowning, poisoning and fire are all still significantly higher.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 06:22:17 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  So what? (5+ / 0-)

            You seem to argue we should do nothing to address needless gun violence?

          •  well (3+ / 0-)
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            The fact that they took a fairly large sample and found the reported numbers to be useless indicates they are useless.
            They could be 10 times as large, would that move you to show some concern?

            The point is that the numbers are useless because there is no real data collection on any of these "causes", they are all estimates.

            But we do something about them though, don't we?

            We have seat belts and car seats and laws to ensure they are used, we vet   cribs and toys for safety, and have childproof packaging.

            If a parent hung a noose in a child's crib, they would be seen as irresponsible...but leaving a loaded firearm around is just an another "accident"

            •  Leaving a loaded firearm is irresponsible (0+ / 0-)

              However, judging by the mortality rate, it would seem that your noose scenario happens more often.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:18:51 PM PDT

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              •  I'd like to see more about these rope deaths ... (2+ / 0-)
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                What constitutes a rope-related death? Does the rope have to be directly related, or somehow involved? Was the the rope the only risk factor involved?

                There's a difference between accidentally strangling yourself with one that was lying around the house, or letting a child do so, and having one break on you while you're climbing or swinging across a gorge.

              •  you are being obtuse (2+ / 0-)
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                As the Times article pointed out, many, many of these incidents are reported not as accidental deaths, but as homicides.

                Go back to the chart you are quoting from and note that while 138 incidents were reported as accidents, 2186 were reported as homicide, add them together, then recalculate.  

                •  No, I am being consistent. (0+ / 0-)

                  GunFAIL lists accidents.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 12:16:16 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  B-b-b-but ... (1+ / 0-)
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                    One of the points of the Times article was the huge inconsistency of how such incidents are classified ... Even in the same jurisdiction, one toddler shooting another was ruled an accident, while a similar unintentional shooting death of an older child caused by another kid playing with a gun a year earlier was ruled a homicide for statistical purposes. If all these were classified as accidents, the article seemed to argue, the rate would be at least twice what it is officially.

                    •  And even at twice the rate.... (0+ / 0-)

                      Motor Vehicles, strangulation, drowning, poisoning & fire are responsible for far more accidental deaths than firearms.

                      Even if that article is correct, even assuming tgeir most dire of senarios, 0.4 deaths per 100,000 is an extraordinarily low rate.

                      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                      by FrankRose on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:15:59 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Would you be so sanguine about this if ... (0+ / 0-)

                        ... every person who personally knew a child who died this way was likely to support restrictive gun laws as a result?

                        You have a stake in lowering this count that the numbers can't show you.

                        •  I don't have to 'lower the count'. (0+ / 0-)

                          The count is already extremely low.

                          Which is why these anecdotal diaries exist.
                          And why you are trying to steer the conversation to hypothetical appeals to emotion.

                          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                          by FrankRose on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:19:27 PM PDT

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      •  Lone voice of reason, as usual n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

        by DarthMeow504 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 04:56:29 PM PDT

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      •  Accidental fatalities from firearms FOR CHILDREN (1+ / 0-)
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        Are low yes, but this is only a segment of the population being represented, that shouldn't be able to get hold of the weapon in the first place and most childhood accidental deaths are due to improper storage.

        If you want to prove a point better statistical data ranges are needed, you're only covering an age group that includes kids that will stuff everything into their mouths.

    •  One of my cousins (4+ / 0-)

      was killed in a hunting accident nearly 50 years ago because someone 's rifle discharges while the guy was climbing over a fence.

      A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

      by PSzymeczek on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 07:11:42 AM PDT

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    •  I suspect that sometimes ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... people claim guns were dropped because it's a less embarrassing and/or inculpatory story to tell. I think a week or so ago there was one which sounded improbable to me as it was claimed that a rifle stored in a case kept in a garage discharged without being taken out of the case ... but the police found the holes in the case that proved the story.

  •  From #16 (6+ / 0-)
    “The man was with a hunting party that had walked into the marsh on a trail to do some duck hunting. A bird flew in and one of the hunters took aim and accidentally shot another member in the party,” Schaller said.
    And then Dick Cheney called to offer his congratulations to the shooter ...
  •  Lost a duck hunter in MN this weekend (5+ / 0-)

    Accidentally shot in the head by his hunting buddy.

    Man Shot Dead By Stumbling Buddy

  •  which brings up a Q (2+ / 0-)
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    i assume the folks who do background checks are among the fed employees furloughed?  or at least i hope so....it would be wonderful for the baggers to find that the shutdown keeps them from accumulating more of their Preciouses.....    ;- )

  •  A new one for next week (6+ / 0-)

    Kane County deputy shot during gun training

    Shot in both legs and helicoptered to a second hospital. That had to cost some county money.

    Alldredge would not comment on who is believed to have shot the deputy, or whether he is believed to have shot himself.
  •  I live outside Detroit, a city with smiling (2+ / 0-)
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    gunslingers and smiling undertakers.  All those gunshots have kept our Canadian neighbors from even thinking of invading or sneaking across the border illegally, which is the up side of gun love.  We grow up here learning to keep low and do the zigzag crawl from point A to point B.  

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 04:43:02 PM PDT

  •  "Up side of gun love" = Kiss of Death (2+ / 0-)
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    as in this case:

    17.  PHOENIX, AZ, 9/30/13: A 24-year-old woman was accidentally shot to death when her boyfriend removed a gun from his waistband because it made hugging uncomfortable, police say. The woman and her 18-year-old boyfriend were embracing Monday near 83rd Avenue and Camelback Road when the gun in his waistband began to cause her discomfort, according to Phoenix police. The gun discharged once, striking the woman. She was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital. Police did not release her identity Tuesday.
  •  I love gun fail (2+ / 0-)
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    although it wears me out, week in and week out. the carnage, the stupidity.

  •  Is the argument here to ban ALL firearms? (0+ / 0-)

    Please help me understand--there are so many homicides and accidental deaths, but firearms have a useful purpose.

    A lot of us here in Colorado hunt, and even more keep firearms at hand for home protection. Hunters typically learn gun safety at an early age, including safe handling, accurate use, and cleaning. It's a culture of respect, in which we are taught that the firearm is a tool that to be learned well, taken care of, and used to dispatch game as humanely as possible.

    A scoped bolt-action rifle, in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, puts deer, elk, antelope or bear in the freezer. A good shotgun will get you some pheasant, quail or geese.

    •  My argument has always been ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... that for all those protestations, the same types of accidents keep recurring. Again, I found something by Paul Markel that seems to speak to why:

      Many who decide to carry a gun are not gun people. They don’t subscribe to any gun magazines and don’t know or care about the history or nomenclature of firearms. All they know is they need a gun for personal protection. I’ve run into this many times during concealed-carry training courses and I’ve spoken to several trainers across the nation who agree this seems to be a trend.
      I've noted many times that many of the negligent discharges we read about here are probably from people like these. I'd be interested to see if some research could be done on this.

      I think there is a growing Eternal September in the RKBA community. Gun sales are expanded, restrictions are lifted in response to political pressure (often itself a response to political pressure in the wake of mass shootings to impose more restrictions) and more people like those Markel describes get guns without being properly acculturated to them. I wonder sometimes if people in the RKBA community privately worry about the long-term effect of this influx, as Markel's comments (two years ago) suggest they might. It could be argued that there is a deliberate effort to ignore the possible long-term consequences of this for the community due to the increased political power the new numbers bring.

      Really, it's rather like a company that puts signing up new customers at any cost first and foremost, making its growth look impressive but ultimately devaluing its brand.

      I would, if I were in the RKBA community, confront this and decide how we're going deal with this. Guns cannot protect your brand when the marketplace decides you can't have nice things anymore.

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