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I know people in politics are very reluctant to say that someone is lying. You have to know the intent of the person telling said untruths and that is problematic to prove at best. But when someone takes an action that is easily recognizable and has a commonly known name, why not use it?

Extortion:
to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.

Does that sound familiar? Republicans are simply trying to extort by threat and intimidation what they cannot achieve electorally. Let's start calling this Republican initiated shutdown and their desired "negotiation" it what it is.

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  •  I call it a violation of the 14th Amendment to the (0+ / 0-)

    Constitution, treason.

    •  I Think That Would Be Debt Ceiling Issue Not (1+ / 0-)
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      the budget issue.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:29:26 PM PDT

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    •  Boston Beans - when I read the Constitution (1+ / 0-)
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      and the definition of Treason, it doesn't fit the House GOP's actions.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:16:12 PM PDT

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      •  No, it's more like simple blackmail (2+ / 0-)
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        and I loathe its perpetrators limitlessly.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:37:36 PM PDT

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      •  I wish I could convey the impossibility of (1+ / 0-)
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        maintaining a Democracy once politicians start getting their heads lopped off for "Treason" because a huge majority sees their actions in office as harmful to the country.

        But people do not get it.  The cathartic thrill they get from yelling "treason" seems to short circuit reason.

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 11:49:23 PM PDT

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        •  Treason, extortion and blackmail (0+ / 0-)

          These are all different terms that mean different things.  The Republicans could be treasonous without using the tactics of extortion or blackmail.  They could be lying to each other and the American people, or they could simply be this stupid in not realizing the harm they are causing the country.  Are they malicious, or simply contrary?

          But in this case, the proper verb is extortion.  They are threatening great harm unless they get their course of action.  While this may not be illegal, and no charge of treason would hold up in court or Congress, what the Republicans are doing is completely immoral - and they know it.  The only question left is, why are they doing this?  Is the campaign money they receive from their donors really enough to check their moral compass at the doors of the Capitol, or did they even have a moral compasses to start?

    •  I call it (0+ / 0-)

      TREASON AND TERRORISM.

      Every shut eye ain't sleep......Every goodbye ain't gone. My Grandma

      by mod2lib on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:53:41 AM PDT

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  •  I'm curious as to who you mean by "we" .... (13+ / 0-)

    ...in this regard.

    If you mean the denizens of Daily Kos, the "we"—Front Page writers and right-side diarists alike—have done exactly what you are suggesting in post after post.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:26:29 PM PDT

    •  We have indeed. And some of us are (3+ / 0-)
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      just getting warmed up.  

    •  "We" would also include the POTUS, Rachel Maddow, (4+ / 0-)

      and others on various media platforms. The larger "we" has been making this point for at least the last month...

      "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

      by Jack K on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:43:13 PM PDT

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      •  The President has called this what it is (4+ / 0-)
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        "You have never seen in the history of the United States ... the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party, and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt," Obama said.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Jay Carney the President's spokesman has called it what it is.

        “What he will not do is go along with the idea that the government should be shut down over this desire to unwind history and achieve through threat and extortion what Republicans couldn’t do through the legislative process or through the election process,” Mr. Carney said. “It’s just not fair to the American people.”
        http://blogs.wsj.com/...

        Sen. Harry Reid has called it what it is.

        Reid also echoed a Friday statement by Obama about a willingness to discuss changes to the health care law — but not under the pressure of a government shutdown or default.

        "Senate Democrats have shown that we are willing to debate and vote on a wide range of issues, including efforts to improve the Affordable Care Act," Reid said. "We continue to be willing to debate these issues in a calm and rational atmosphere. But the American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists."

        http://www.npr.org/...

        Nancy Pelosi has called them what they are.

        I call them legislative arsonists. They're there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments and education and scientific research and all that it is that make our country great and competitive.

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...

        As he has been implored several times on this blog, the President has even called out the specific person responsible for this shutdown.

        “There are Republicans and Democrats in the House of Representatives today, that if the speaker of the House, John Boehner, simply let the bill get on the floor for an up-or-down vote, every congressman could vote their conscience, the shutdown would end today,” Mr. Obama said.
        http://blogs.wsj.com/...

        The Democrats have been unified, relentless and exhibited exemplary message discipline and clarity as they reiterate the Republican hostage-taking and extortion message. I have no complaints.

        "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

        by FiredUpInCA on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:03:05 PM PDT

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  •  The other side would say it's not extortion, (5+ / 0-)
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    because they aren't doing it for personal gain, but for a political ideal. OK, so would they prefer to be called terrorists? Well, they'd say they aren't using violence, they are peacefully trying to effect a change in government, pulling it their direction. OK, I'll bite.

    I've been using a different term the last few days; I've been calling this a coup attempt. They are using extra constitutional means to nullify a duly constitutional election, because they don't like the results. If this were the third world, perhaps there would be Army units, or private miltias out their backing the coup organizers. But we aren't the third world, at least not yet, despite the most earnest efforts of the right wing.

    But yes, this is a COUP attempt. If the Democrats do as much as to throw them a bone to help them save face, they will try this again in the future. I want them not to have a bone, but to walk away with their tails between their legs back to the doghouse.

    Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

    by RhodeIslandAspie on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:31:34 PM PDT

    •  RIAspie - isn't the term coup (1+ / 0-)
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      used when the head of state is changed by force?

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:14:36 PM PDT

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      •  Usually, (2+ / 0-)
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        we are talking about violent force when we use the term "coup," but when can say quite the same when referring to other terms that have been used as late regarding these events in Washington - extortion, terrorism, blackmail.

        The Republican stop short of violence, but that is the point. They stop just short of violence, but yet the effect on our everyday lives if this continues will be every bit as effective as an act of violence in stopping the wheels of government. For the time being, a political faction has given itself an effective veto on the continuation of a pretty big chunk of our national political life.

        What would be your preferred term?

        Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

        by RhodeIslandAspie on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:31:02 PM PDT

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        •  RIAspie - using terms that descibe crimes (1+ / 0-)
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          while it makes us feel good, isn't accurate. Gooserock has a good comment in this thread. There is noting illegal or unconstitutional about the actions of the GOP. This is just hardball politics and a conflict between the House and the President. The House isn't required to pass a CR or increase the debt limit and the President doesn't need to negotiate with them regarding the ACA, or anything else. And that's why we have a shutdown that may last longer than any in history, and cruise right through October 17th. I think anything regarding the ACA is off the table, as is a Grand Bargain (it would take too long), but something will be offered that will bring the parties together. Right now the Speaker and the President are in a game of chicken and the Speaker is willing to have a headon crash. And maybe the President is too.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:55:58 PM PDT

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          •  You are more optimistic about the other side than (1+ / 0-)
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            I am, and I hope your right. By the way, since this thread got going, another diary writer also has argued for the using the term "coup" and did a better job that I did in advocating it. You can find this at This isn't a shakedown Republicans are attempting a coup.. I am against carelessly throwing around epithets I assure you; there is far too much of that in current politics. And I am dead set against indulging in feelgood politics.

            Previous shutdowns were cat fights between the legislative and executive over how much to spend or how much to cut - this is a demand by Congressional Republicans that the Democratic Party controlled Senate and House rule to the whims of the Republicans by crippling their signature accomplishment. If the Democrats give an inch on this, than what will they demand next year?

            Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

            by RhodeIslandAspie on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:18:41 PM PDT

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            •  It's not a coup unless they plan to remove (0+ / 0-)

              the President by force, an idea that is nonsensical.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 07:19:31 AM PDT

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              •  Did you check the Wikipedia article (2+ / 0-)
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                that was referenced in the link I posted. It contains the following.

                A coup d'état typically uses the extant government's power to assume political control of the country. In Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook, military historian Edward Luttwak states that "[a] coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder." The armed forces, whether military or paramilitary, are not a defining factor of a coup d'état. Lately a view that all coups are a danger to democracy and stability has been challenged by the notion of a "democratic coup d'état", which "respond to a popular uprising against an authoritarian or totalitarian regime and topple that regime for the limited purpose of holding the free and fair elections of civilian leaders
                Wikipedia seems to be on my side on this one. If you think they have it wrong, which sometimes the do, you can certainly make input to that page

                Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

                by RhodeIslandAspie on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 07:32:37 AM PDT

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  •  They Did Win Electorally Under the Framers' System (3+ / 0-)
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    design.

    The Framers allow the chambers to set their own rules. The House under Republican leader set a rule that they will not pass legislation that requires any Democratic votes to pass.

    The Framers gave the House the power to introduce legislation and spending bills. They clearly gave it the power to decline to do so as well, which is the basis of the 2 year limit on military spending authority, precisely so that the House could block the Commander in Chief of the military from being able to perpetuate war by starving his military of funds.

    IANAL and bow to better informed opinion but the ability of a small minority to prevent the House from passing a budget or from funding any particular program seems to me consistent with the Framers' system.

    Two of our framingest Framers, Jefferson author of the 1st draft of the Declaration, and Madison author of the 1st draft of the Constitution, both wanted a freedom from economic monopoly as part of the Bill of Rights. They lost.

    There's an arguable chance that if they'd won, we wouldn't be facing big business funded minority able to capitalize employ their design for legislative powers, but they lost, and what the Tea faction is doing looks to me to be fully supported by our system.

    They want an entire approach to government ended, one that's defined all of our greatness, but they've got the position and they've won all the authority they need.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:39:48 PM PDT

  •  ... (2+ / 0-)
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    by indycam on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:00:22 PM PDT

  •  It's extortion if it really is just about imposing (0+ / 0-)

    their legislative agenda by taking the debt ceiling hostage.
       But I'm beginning to suspect that at least some of the right wing establishment means to permanently cripple the government.

  •  2 yrs ago during Debt Ceiling Debacle One I was (0+ / 0-)

    lashed for using the word extortion.  Even as recently as January and February of this year I was told to simmer down when I talked about extortion.  Now it's a bandwagon and everyone jumps on which makes me worry.  The public is two years behind where they should be in understanding where we are today.

    There is no existence without doubt.

    by Mark Lippman on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:42:15 AM PDT

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