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  • Today's comic by Tom Tomorrow is Tea Party logic:
    Cartoon by Tom Tomorrow - Tea Party logic
  • What you missed on Sunday Kos ...
  • Offered without comment:
    Dick Cheney told 60 Minutes that just 67 days after taking the oath as vice president, he took a historic and unprecedented action of submitting a standing letter of resignation to President Bush due to his poor health.

    Said Cheney: "Basically, what I did was I resigned the vice presidency effective March 28, 2001."

  • In case you missed it (also, stuff it, Chris):
    Gov. Chris Christie (R) has decided to withdraw his appeal in a New Jersey same-sex marriage case, just a few hours after such marriages became legal.  

    “Although the Governor strongly disagrees with the Court substituting its judgment for the constitutional process of the elected branches or a vote of the people, the Court has now spoken clearly as to their view of the New Jersey Constitution and, therefore, same-sex marriage is the law,” the Christie administration said in a release.

  • From the Department of Dumbass:
    In a chat with paid climate change deniers on the San Diego TV station where he now works as a weatherman, Weather Channel founder John Coleman insisted that, contrary to mere evidence, polar bear populations are increasing because:
    “the Eskimos no longer kill the polar bears for the meat and furs in order to stay alive, it’s — we have now become more civilized in our Eskimo populations around the poles.”
  • If you care (shudder):
    Maria Belen Chapur, the Argentine woman who former South Carolina Gov. left his wife and derailed his career over, has finally spoken on camera about their relationship. [...]

    She said Sanford has made major sacrifices for his country, and suggested that no one should think their partnership is about money.

    "What I can tell you is that he works incredibly hard, he deeply loves his country. What he's gone through these past five years — he could have left it all behind him. It's not about the money. The whole world has this fantasy that governors or congressman make a lot of money."

  • Blast from the past (and admit it, you judged her too):
    More than 20 years ago, 79-year-old Stella Liebeck ordered coffee at a McDonald’s drive-through in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She spilled the coffee, was burned, and a years later, sued McDonald’s. The jury awarded her $2.9 million dollars.

    Jurors heard testimony for a week and deliberated for hours. They learned that she was burned over 16% of her body, and had third degree burns on her groin. They also learned that McDonald’s had received nearly 700 complaints about hot coffee burns in the almost 10 years before Stella’s trial.

    But those details went mostly unreported, and the public made a quicker judgment. Stella became a symbol for frivolous lawsuits and fodder for talk show hosts, late night comedians, sitcom writers, and even political pundits.

  • On today's Kagro in the Morning show, Greg Dworkin on the much-Tweeted poll saying Gop House control's a bad thing. Plus, a reminder on ACA website problems. Blind squirrel alert: "Tea Party needs to recognize that it's playing with live ammo." Random notes: Max Blumenthal's Tweet on observations about early-career Obama, and; the Star-Ledger's incoherent Chris Christie endorsement, alongside question about his politicization of the judicial system. Finally, the budget conference included in the shutdown deal. How does voting in conference work? And why have a conference at all? Is there a Grand Bargain threat?

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  •  Does Coleman realize... (6+ / 0-)

    That the 'Nanook of the North' was mostly staged, right?

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:10:04 PM PDT

  •  Face(palm)book (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Gee major web sites have problems I am shocked and dismayed

    The problem isn't that people can't access the site. According to Is It Down Right Now?, the site is "up and reachable." The problem is that once users are on Facebook, they can't like any photos, wish anyone happy birthday or do many of the other million things people do on the network daily. Instead, they get this error message:

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:12:15 PM PDT

  •  It must have been tough for Stella Liebeck (4+ / 0-)

    to hear all those diminishing her pain and trivializing the lawsuit.

    I don't buy McDonalds coffee anymore. It's still too hot. In fact, every McD's I've tried coffee at burns their coffee. I finally gave up.

    Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Gentle Giant on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:14:20 PM PDT

    •  Stella might not have gotten anything (2+ / 0-)
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      chrismorgan, Gentle Giant

      The judgement got reduced on appeal to less than $600,000. It is likely attorney's fees ate much of it. It's sealed.

      i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

      by bobinson on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:31:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is because their customers don't (1+ / 0-)
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      Gentle Giant

      particularly like coffee. They like to load it up with about 50% cream or creamer and it needs to be super to still be hot when they're done loading it up and then dawdling before drinking.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:51:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The lids on those old cups were crappy too... (2+ / 0-)
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      PSzymeczek, Gentle Giant

      Nothing like the current Starbucks safety lids.  Basically you had some kid reaching a couple feet down from the drive-through window handing you a scalding-hot cup of coffee with a plastic lid resting on top.

  •  From the upcoming 2016 musical (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, blueyedace2

    Teddy's Gonna Run

    Teddy Cruz is arguing with Chris Christie about who can be the meanest Republican

    TC: Anything you can do I can do worser
    I can do anything worser than you!

    CC: No you can't!
    TC: Yes I can! Yes I can! YES I CAN!

    TC: Anything you can hate I can hate greater
    Soon or later I hate greater than you!

    No you're not! Yes I am!
    No you're not! Yes I am!
    No you're not! Yes I am! YES I AM!

    You can see the scathing wit and deep intellectualism of the Republican party on display, can't you? ;D

    Spite is the ranch dressing Republicans slather on their salad of racism

    by ontheleftcoast on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:16:14 PM PDT

  •  I voted today (3+ / 0-)
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    enhydra lutris, PSzymeczek, Gygaxian

    At the center on W Gray in Houston about 11 AM. I found a parking place without too much difficulty although most places were filled.
    On the way in I said hello to a young African-American guy who was wearing a Jenifer Pool T-shirt. She is running for an open City Council seat, at-large, position 3. I called her after voting. She is a good listener, has the savoir faire needed to be on the Houston City Council. She would make history as a transgender Council member.
    I read that our Mayor Annise Parker made it a point to vote early in the morning. I voted for her, of course.
    I had Dave Wilson on my ballot for Houston Community College board. No thanks, I voted for incumbent Bruce Austin. Mr. Wilson has been a perennial opponent of the glbt movement, in which I have been active some 40 years.
    I voted for the county bond issues to preserve the Astrodome and for a detention facility for arrested persons that would combine facilities for city and county and simplify matters.
    If you live in the Houston area, please do urge all your friends to vote or even volunteer in some campaign. Those of us who want Houston to pass a glbt non-discrimination ordinance need to look strong and committed going into a future Council meeting.
    I included links to 2 campaigns in case some of you would make donations.
    Tip O'Neill said that all politics is local. Certainly, many national leaders start out local. Our current President was once a state senator from a Chicago district.
    If you live in Texas but not in Houston you will have on your ballot, at the very least, 9 proposed amendments to the Texas Constitution. That document is extremely cluttered. I was inclined to vote for public spending but against items that were too specific. One was about Hidalgo County. Anyone know where that is?

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:16:28 PM PDT

  •  Department of Dumbass is right! (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, PSzymeczek

    How can the founder of The Weather Channel be a climate change denier and say that the Inuit no longer kill polar bears for food because they're more "civilized" rather than that the polar bear population has declined?  I don't want the only polar bears that my great-grandchildren see are their teddy bears.

  •  Here's some Monday fun (1+ / 0-)
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    (unless you're a Detroit Tigers fan):

    How Would Foreign Policy Think Tanks Have Advised Prince Fielder?

    The premise -- a quote from SB Nation SF Giants blogger Grant Brisbee of McCovey Chronicles:

    Prince Fielder is bad at fielding, and for the last three weeks, he's been bad at hitting. That leaves baserunning. Welp ...

    With the bases loaded and no outs, the contact play was on. Or was it? Fielder came halfway, just long enough for the runner at first to be tagged out. That left Fielder in a rundown.

    It was spectacular. Think tanks couldn't come up with situational baserunning that bad.

    Quick read, but worth it...

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:18:44 PM PDT

  •  Around the poles? What's the Polish got (4+ / 0-)

    to do with it.

    Seriously, did not about those southern polar bears. Do they have pickups and confederate flags?

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:19:10 PM PDT

  •  No - I did not "judge" or opine or (6+ / 0-)

    ridicule the verdict in Stella Liebeck's case. I read about the facts and decided - easily - that the original verdict was not at all unreasonable given McDonald's refusal to turn down the fucking heat in the face of multiple and repeated injuries caused by the coffee being too fucking hot as a matter of company policy.

    The fact that this case continues to be held up as some kind of poster child for runaway juries has me convinced that a not-insignificant number of people are immune to facts and always will be.

    Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

    by mikidee on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:19:21 PM PDT

    •  I remember arguing this against all the RW (2+ / 0-)
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      mikidee, PSzymeczek

      and libtoons at work and they could not seem to grasp the idea that one shouldn't sell a liquid that is absolutely guaranteed to burn ou if it is spilled or immediately consumed.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:56:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  poor Sanford; his main squeeze reminds (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, PSzymeczek

    me of too many mistresses who sometimes wait for years in vain for their man to move out on the wife and kids.  At least Mark managed to walk away from his marriage with relatively little damage.  Best news for him is his current gig is probably a lifetime sinecure.

    Bad news for Mark is that not too many years ago, he was considered VP material by several GOP candidates.  He does not look so vice presidential these days, well maybe the vice aspect still attracts him

  •  Hot Coffee, the movie (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Pennsylvanian

    gotta link to it when talking about Stella Liebeck

    If you haven't seen it, watch it! Excellent movie.

    -6.25 -5.3 If I ever leave this world alive The madness that you feel will soon subside...

    by dansk47 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:21:21 PM PDT

  •  Diary #395... (1+ / 0-)
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    No one knows what it's like, To be the bad man, To be the sad man, behind blue eyes....

    by blueyedace2 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:24:32 PM PDT

  •  Stella Liebeck (1+ / 0-)
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    Her lawsuit was perfectly valid and the (original) award was appropriate as it stood.

    Even if it was not, I never understood the complaints directed toward her in the first place. Do these nits not realize that this lawsuit made its way through the court system (as intended). The court saw ALL of the evidence and decided in her favor.

    If there was a legitimate complaint, unless Stella Liebeck bribed or threatened anyone involved, it should have been taken up with the judge/jury.

  •  In Two - Oh- 13 We Took a Little Trip... (2+ / 0-)
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    annieli, blueyedace2

    We stuck to our guns but the baggers kept a-raving
    and they wasn't quite as lucid as they was a while ago....

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:30:33 PM PDT

  •  Hot coffee... (0+ / 0-)

    I had no problem believing it - I've worked at McDonald's (as have most of us) and know how hot that coffee can be, especially if you spill it on your fingers while trying to fill the cup. My store had two carafes on top, one decaf, one regular, and one on the bottom so you could brew another pot. That coffee was REALLY hot - but it wouldn't cause burns if you spilled it.

    For this woman to get burned by spilling coffee on herself tells me they were using extraordinary means to keep that coffee hot. Probably unsafe working conditions, IMO.

    Same with the fryer heater box - i managed to slam my wrist against one side while emptying the fries in the basket, and burnt the crap out of my wrist. I had that scar for ten years.

    I see you drivin' 'round town with the girl I love / And I'm like / Please proceed, Governor. - Dave Itzkoff

    by Jensequitur on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52:21 PM PDT

  •  One for the good guys (0+ / 0-)

    Via: The Examiner

    In a victory for science education and the children of Texas, publishers are refusing to include creationism in science textbooks despite fierce pressure from conservative Christians.

    The Texas Freedom Network, a nonpartisan watchdog, released a statement Thursday, Oct. 17, declaring:

    “All 14 publishers are refusing to water down or compromise instruction on evolution and climate change in their proposed new high school biology textbooks.”
    Science advocates argue Creationism, or Intelligent Design, is not a legitimate scientific alternative to the theory of evolution. Indeed, critics would claim Biblical creationism is a religious superstition that does real harm to America - a symptom of a willful ignorance and an anti-intellectualism that thwarts scientific progress at home and humiliates America abroad.

    Also, let me take a moment to say "eff you" to those who think that State's rights exist in a vacuum.  Textbook adoption is heavily biased towards states with the largest number of students - so as Texas goes, potentially so does the country, meaning the ignorance can easily become metastatic.

    I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

    by wretchedhive on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52:31 PM PDT

  •  fun google fact (1+ / 0-)
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    If you search on  gop is  (with a trailing space) the top four suggestions are

    gop is dead
    gop is dying
    gop is doomed
    gop is crazy

  •  I am completely blameless about Stella Liebeck (3+ / 0-)
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    Pennsylvanian, Scioto, chrismorgan

    I actually read the trial transcripts back in the day and routinely corrected people for mischaracterizing the case. I got into many a heated argument with folks using her case as a justification for tort reform.

  •  Regarding Christie (0+ / 0-)

    It seems kind of odd to me for Christie to give up so easily on the  marriage equality fight, even with an election on the horizon. Does anyone know if there were broader implications for sending it to SCOTUS and losing, like possibly declaring all laws against marriage equality unconstitutional? This would eliminate marriage equality as a national wedge issue and everyone would have moved on by 2016.
    Maybe I'm being too cynical. Just seems like he caved way too easily and perhaps he is following some marching orders.

    •  He just wanted to avoid any dip in margin. Buono (0+ / 0-)

      has made this an issue, as it should be given it puts the lie to the 'toughman moderate Christie' b/s.  He's running for POTUS and needs to run his margin up as much as possible to argue his 'electability' against T-libans fevor.

  •  Re:McDs coffee- they also ignored its was 10 degre (0+ / 0-)

    e hotter than all other chains.  Now that may not sound like much, but average coffee temp at pour is around 180 degrees (or about 83 degrees hotter than body temp), so 10 degree more is within 22 degrees of boiling.  

    And, as with many other biological systems, the likelihood of temp burning the human body is not linear, but rather a bit of a curve starting at a threshold well above human body temp, so again a 10 degree difference closer to boiling is far more significant in terms of foreseeability it will cause burns than might be thought.

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