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  •  We can be generous (8+ / 0-)

    and say "Not necessarily."

    But we can at least look at the facts, as they are and conclude that whether or not TeaPublicans are, as a rule, racists, they do, almost universally, tolerate, and possibly welcome, unreformed racists into their ranks and will publicly associate with the same.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:42:43 AM PDT

    •  WHY be generous with racists? (5+ / 0-)

      I'm concerned with the BAD history whites have with being consistent about civil rights.  It happened once before--white northerners gave up on Reconstruction and let segregation make African-americans second class citizens.  After Grant, white northerners looked the other way at KKK terrorism.  

      I am worried about whites letting up on racism again. I'm worried tht whits will say "racism is over" and allow the whole evil disease back in to our daily lives.

      The Tea Party IS racist; they owe their origins to the knee-jerk racism of some whites who just could NOT accept the idea of a black president.  The media don't want to say this because it's not socially acceptable to call someone a racist.

      BUT THEY ARE.  And we should remind the media that the Tea Party started out as a racist movement against a black president, and even though some of them insist they aren't racist, they still WELCOME racists with open arms.

      •  There is an all-too-common reluctance (3+ / 0-)
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        among avowed liberals/progressives/what-have-you to state the blunt, unpleasant truth about various people and groups on the right. I've seen this for years. Way back in the early 1990s, some paragon of Personal Virtue got snippy and delivered him/herself of the pronouncement "I don't find it useful to call people liars and bigots." I replied "It is always useful to identify liars as liars and bigots as bigots."

        The more people I encounter, the more I appreciate our cats.

        by Old Sailor on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:36:23 AM PDT

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        •  I usually shy away from (1+ / 0-)
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          making sweeping, broad generalizations because....

          wait for it...

          ...that's what the racists do.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:01:35 PM PDT

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          •  A "generalization", (1+ / 0-)
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            even a broad, sweeping one, is not necessarily false/untrue. It is inordinately popular these days to brandish the word "generalization" as some sort of pejorative. It is not legitimately a pejorative. Racists are immoral not because they make generalizations, but because, among other things, they spread malicious misinformation in an effort to harm people they hate for no legitimate reason.

            The more people I encounter, the more I appreciate our cats.

            by Old Sailor on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:11:23 PM PDT

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            •  Generalizations are not (0+ / 0-)

              necessarily false/untrue, but as applied to qualities of groups of people, beyond the tautological, they usually are.

              It's not tautological that to be a Tea Partier you need be racist; that said, it seems reasonable to conclude that Tea Party activists at least are okay with associating with racists. And that's bad enough.

              It IS tautological, however, to conclude that Tea Partiers are fundamentally ignorant of many fundamental facts of macroeconomics and of current events.

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:19:19 PM PDT

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              •  So, (0+ / 0-)

                do you claim that it is wrong to identify liars as liars and bigots as bigots?

                The more people I encounter, the more I appreciate our cats.

                by Old Sailor on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:37:57 PM PDT

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                •  Of course not. (0+ / 0-)

                  Odd that you think anything I said would suggest otherwise.

                  I do claim it's wrong to identify non-liars as liars and non-bigots as bigots, however.

                  We're all liars to one extent or another, of course, but when it comes to bigotry, I consider the charge serious and don't like to see the accusation leveled lightly.

                  Your mileage may vary, of course.

                  "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                  by raptavio on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52:47 PM PDT

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                  •  My original point was (0+ / 0-)

                    that there are too many people among avowed liberals/progressives who seem unwilling

                    to state the blunt, unpleasant truth about various people and groups on the right.
                    You responded with a false equivalence:
                    ...that's what the racists do.
                    In none of your rhetorical flailing have you done anything substantive to rebut my point. Therefore, I conclude that it is a waste of time and effort to attempt to engage you further. Have a nice day.

                    The more people I encounter, the more I appreciate our cats.

                    by Old Sailor on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 01:05:20 PM PDT

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                    •  Except you said that (0+ / 0-)

                      in response to what I said, indicating you believe I, in fact, was unwilling to call the proverbial spade a spade, and by extension, that the generalization is accurate.

                      While it's clever for you to try to turn this around and ask me to rebut a point I never was arguing, it's your claim that has gone unsupported. If you wish to declare victory and depart, that's your call.

                      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                      by raptavio on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 01:37:03 PM PDT

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  •  No doubt they are (4+ / 0-)
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    Plus they are freakin willful brazen deniers of truth and facts. Its the only way they can avoid the terrible headache stemming from the intellectual dissonance that they otherwise would inevitably have to confront.

  •  Does the Pope sh*t in the woods? (3+ / 0-)
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    Are bears Catholic?

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    by moose67 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:47:11 AM PDT

  •  Dixiecrats (2+ / 0-)
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    Were Dixiecrats racists?  Is refusing Medicaid expansion racist?  Is demanding official voter IDs racist?  Are charter schools a tool to avoid Brown v Bd of Ed?
    The broader question--are most Americans racist?  That's a painful question.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

    by melvynny on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:48:37 AM PDT

  •  To recap, "Taking Our Country Back" was theme (3+ / 0-)
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    when they kicked into gear.  Their surface complaint was something about taxes, but this was after Obama and Dem Congress passed a comprehensive tax-reform bill that actually helped the vast majority of American taxpayers.

    So, "taking our country back" from what or from whom, and why now, all of a sudden, in Spring 2009?  Three months after election of the first non-white President in American history?  

    Definitely racism is in the mix.  

  •  If by "racist" you mean (3+ / 0-)
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    bigoted, prejudiced, hateful, ignorant, and intolerant, then, yes.

    "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

    by Calvino Partigiani on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:51:41 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps Webster has an answer (5+ / 0-)
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    We've been spelling it wrong all these years. It's actually: PRO-GOP-ANDA

    by Patriot4peace on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:56:22 AM PDT

  •  Is this some sort of trick question ? (4+ / 0-)

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

    by indycam on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:57:49 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps they aren't racists. Maybe they just (0+ / 0-)

    play racists on TV.

    I'm sure not every teabagger is a racist, but the tea party movement sure looks like friendly waters in which to be racist. I certainly don't see the leadership looking to repudiate this stuff.

    I'm sure they would point out to use that the love Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain, which they assume should prove they aren't racists. I get, they love African-Americans who do what the right wing tell them to do. Sort of the same kind of love the plantation owners had for their slaves.

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    by RhodeIslandAspie on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

    •  Excuse me (0+ / 0-)

      But "Birds of a feather flock together."  Additionally, "Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas."

      Jesus said "Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not......". Republicans say " Let the children suffer and forbid them from all help".

      by mod2lib on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:34:29 AM PDT

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    •  I'm pretty sure every teabagger (0+ / 0-)

      is at best a passive, meaning-no-harm racist.

      If only because that's kind of the default state for most white people in this society (I include myself), and it takes conscious and deliberate effort to even begin moving past it.  And people who embrace the Tea Party's principles (such as they are) are unlikely to recognize that state in themselves, or consider that effort worth making.

  •  I'm sure there are some who are, and there (1+ / 0-)
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    are some who aren't.  

    They are probably no more monolithic than, say, progressives or libertarians.  

    Some people who sympathize with the Tea Party may be racist, and some may simply be against a "big" federal government. Some may have both sympathies.

  •  In the words of Colonel Jack O' Neal, (3+ / 0-)
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    "ya think!"

    With his buddy Teal'c replying, "Indeed."

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:13:37 AM PDT

  •  The long talk... (3+ / 0-)
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    It has always impressed me that if you argue with a teahaddi long enough, and press them hard enough, eventually they will get around to talking about how they don't want their hard earned tax dollars going to those people. Pushing on a bit further, you find out that those people are the unworthy minorities. Apparently, it's OK to give money to the wealthy. They certainly don't need it, but they deserve it. Those who are poor, even through no fault of their own, automatically don't warrant our help.

    So... it's not just race. It's a toxic combination of class and race. To them, Obama is just another upidy ni**er who doesn't deserve to be president.

    In their eyes there's something lacking; what they need's a damn good whacking.

    by Mad City 67 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:15:38 AM PDT

  •  Well, All I Know Is... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...that the 43 white men who were president before Barack Obama never had any demands to show their birth certificates.

    Just sayin'.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:12:31 PM PDT

  •  Yup n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "You're a dedicated swallower of fascism." Billy Bragg

    by Heianshoka on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:59:12 PM PDT

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