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I have been hearing for a few weeks, and the Turkish Newspaper Hurriyet is reporting, that the Obama Administration has stopped providing aid to the 'moderate' Syrian rebels.

This is reportedly in response to radical rebel groups expanding their control over areas in northern Syria, especially the border crossing and routes which had been being used to supply the 'moderate' rebels in Syria.

This year the Syrian armed opposition has essentially fallen apart.

- Public support for them among the people of Syria has evaporated.

- Their numbers have decreased due to casualties, desertions, and a lack of people joining their ranks.

- That the Syrian armed opposition essentially consists of fragmented radical groups supported by other countries has become more and more well known in the West.

- These groups now devote most of their efforts to fighting each other and the Kurdish groups in northern Syria, and Syrian government forces have retaken control of most of western and southern Syria.

The Turkish military has also begun to prevent groups of rebels from crossing into Turkey, and to arrest, disarm, and immediately deport back to Syria rebels who are able to cross the border into Turkey, and to respond with tank and cannon fire on rebel positions in Syria when mortars or shells from rebel controlled areas land in Turkey.  

The Western-recognized Syrian political opposition is also disintegrating. There are plans for a Geneva II conference to be held in about a month but there is now no opposition group available to attend it.

The SOC made some noises about attending it but the SNC, the largest group in the SOC, has stated that they will leave the SOC if a decision to attend the conference is made.

Most of the rebel groups in Syria have also stated that they no longer recognize the SOC or SNC.

Today the leader of the Western-recognized Syrian opposition stated that they will not attend talks in Geneva next month unless their preconditions are met, the primary one being the removal of President al-Assad.

Links:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/...

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

http://www.youtube.com/...

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

    by InAntalya on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 10:08:52 AM PDT

  •  from Turkey? (1+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya

    they're angry with him, their president felt betrayed by us not bombing Assad's forces.  Now they say this, but I say, show me.  

  •  Whole revolution is kind of falling apart. (3+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, Wreck Smurfy, erush1345

    Too bad 100,000 people were killed over it.

    •  Often happens when unrelated groups decide (1+ / 0-)
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      InAntalya

      to use a revolution as a launching-pad for their own separate agendas and descend on the place. Esp. when they behave brutishly.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 05:40:26 PM PDT

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  •  From what I understand, a large percentage (11+ / 0-)

    of moderate and secular forces always were essentially village militias unwilling to fight away from their own homes.

    I've seen reports, and heard from friends with relatives in Syria, that Assad has been offering them amnesty if they come over now, and that many have taken it.

    Are you hearing the same things? The only people I know in Syria, while great people, have their own biases. They're Palestinian and while religious are very "Separation of Church and State" Sunni's.

    They don't like Assad but they abhor the religiously motivated elements among the Rebels.

    "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

    by JesseCW on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 10:50:53 AM PDT

    •  This (10+ / 0-)
      a large percentage of moderate and secular forces always were essentially village militias unwilling to fight away from their own homes
      is true in my experience - but the other point is what percentage of the rebels were/are moderate and secular as you described. The Syrian opposition has tried to 'sell' the image that these were/are the majority of the rebels. This was and is not true. They are about 20% of the rebels.

      There is an amnesty program and I have heard that quite a number of rebels are taking advantage of it.

      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:06:32 AM PDT

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      •  is this (2+ / 0-)
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        InAntalya, AoT

        accompanied by political change in the assad regime itself, or not? Are there political groupings able to operate "within" the Assad regime (or area) as sort of a non-armed political opposition? Or is this simply the Assad regime "winning the fight"? After this much of bloodshed, I have difficulties to imagine a return to prewar relations would be possible.

        •  There have always been opposition groups (5+ / 0-)

          in Syria other than the Muslim Brotherhood and the SNC/SOC.

          They have been ignored by the West and are seen by the SNC/SOC as rivals who must be suppressed.

          There have been a few politcal changes in the Syrian government during the past three years with some inclusion of these other opposition groups, and I believe that a political solution to the unrest in Syria can be achieved through these unrecognized (by the West) opposition groups.

          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:39:51 AM PDT

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  •  Regime change is still the plan, as it has been (2+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, corvo

    since the beginning of this externally caused illegal war. Obama and his admin have not given that up at all.  

    "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 01:19:21 PM PDT

    •  And the aid to the opposition continues (2+ / 0-)
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      InAntalya, corvo

      from what I've read.  They might be trying to steer aid to the groups they prefer but they haven't stopped.

      "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 01:20:47 PM PDT

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      •  Some aid is getting to the rebels (3+ / 0-)

        but logistical problems due to the rebel infighting and government forces' advancements in the battlefield have significantly reduced the amount.

        Donor support is also waning - Turkey is concerned about radical Islamic groups on its borders, the West is having problems finding 'acceptable' rebels, and Saudi Arabia seems to be both losing interest and throwing a temper tantrum at the same time.

        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 01:47:58 PM PDT

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        •  I know it's dumb to dislike a whole nation (2+ / 0-)
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          InAntalya, limpidglass

          but I really really dislike Saudi Arabia. For a number of reasons. And not just because they have my country's balls in a vise.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 05:42:53 PM PDT

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          •  Saudis (1+ / 0-)
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            InAntalya

            Saudis don't have us in a vise anymore than we have them.  That's why both countries are going their own way on a lot of issues.  We no longer depend on Saudi Arabia for much of the oil we use, and the amount of Saudi oil we do use gets lower every day.

            Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

            by Sky Net on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 06:31:38 PM PDT

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          •  I don't dislike the nation, (1+ / 0-)
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            InAntalya

            just its autocratic rulers, who, as you point out, have our balls in a vise. The country is a repressive, neo-medieval monarchy where religious fanatics who want to turn back the clock to the 12 century are allowed free rein and showered with oil money in order to keep them from toppling the Saudi royal family. The Saudi people are little more than serfs.

            The House of Saud bought themselves two presidents (the Bushes), and they helped cover up the biggest domestic terrorist attack in American history. Funny how we went to war with Afghanistan, which only was tangentially related to 9/11, and Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, but we didn't even so much as give a cursory glance at Saudi Arabia.

            If we ever really tried to unwind that ball of string I think we would find a few dozen high-ranking members of the Saudi royal family were involved in funding/supporting al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks. That would embarrass the Saudi royals, and the American people would demand that we punish them somehow.

            But the black gold must keep flowing. So the American people must never be allowed to learn the truth.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 05:07:55 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe the Obama admin has decided Assad (3+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, corvo, SouthernLiberalinMD

    is there to stay, but that it won't be too bad as long as Putin keeps him on a very short leash -- and we get a bit more cooperation from Russia in other areas as a result.

  •  Why oh why didn't (1+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya

    President Obama, John McCain et al know that the rebels were primarily Al Queda types all along? I hope they have stopped aid.

    •  John McCain? Are you kidding? (1+ / 0-)
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      InAntalya

      That guy no longer has the smarts he once had, I don't think.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 05:44:05 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the update InAntalya (1+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya

    Always nice to see your reports.

    By the way, I hear things have heated up domestically again. Stay safe. We all want success and safety for your protesters.

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 05:39:21 PM PDT

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