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The Tea Party is tearing the GOP asunder.  

The latest poll should put aside any doubts as to whether the shutdown was worthwhile to the majority of Americans.  And yes, we already knew this... but today's numbers are pretty staggering:

The survey highlights just how badly the GOP hard-liners and the leaders who went along with them misjudged the public mood. In the aftermath, eight in 10 Americans say they disapprove of the shutdown. Two in three Republicans or independents who lean Republican share a negative view of the impasse. And even a majority of those who support the tea party movement disapprove.

I find the negative polling numbers for the Tea Party most telling, because that kind of anger will come back to bite them in the 2014 election.  When people are this angry, they do not forget.  

No, they do not.

It is also an indicator that, over time, people have come to see the cost of this Tea Party game.  Anger is still growing.  Across parties, a majority of Americans have reclassified the Tea Party from 'ideological Republicans,' to 'dangerous fringe element.'  One has only to look at polling within the Republican party itself to see real signs that a 2014 tidal wave is brewing:

The Post-ABC poll showed how badly divided Republicans are over the tea party. Among those who back the movement, 75 percent say they have a favorable opinion of it. Among those in the GOP who don’t support the tea party, 64 percent have an unfavorable view.

Republican divisions also were evident when people were asked whether they approved of the way GOP lawmakers affiliated with the tea party handled the negotiations. Seventy-three percent of non-tea-party Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they disapprove, while 55 percent of tea party supporters say they approve.

I feel sorry for the 'RINO' element of the GOP, but they made their deal with the devil... they got themselves into this mess.  And all of us have now paid dearly for their power gamble.  Robert Reich is right to say that 'giving Republicans a bloody nose isn't enough.'  It's time to wash this evil cadre out of office next year.  The will is there.

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  •  They deserve everything they get. (8+ / 0-)


    But for the country to properly function in a two-party system, we need a rational GOP. That's the crux here, unfortunately.

    Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

    by MBNYC on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:21:20 AM PDT

    •  RINO resurgence? (1+ / 0-)
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      If Tea Party funding dries up (other than the Koch brothers,) perhaps the moderates will mount a counter offensive.  I agree -- one party standing alone isn't good for our democracy in a two-party system.  Maybe in the days of FDR... but I don't see it working out well (for the general populace) in our time.

      I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. - Isoroku Yamamoto

      by feduphoosier on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:30:56 AM PDT

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      •  Tea Party funding isn't going anywhere (3+ / 0-)
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        feduphoosier, jfromga, mathGuyNTulsa

        There are a lot of freedumb groups fleecing a lot of sheep.

        Cash flow will never be an issue for the astroturf tea party hucksters.

        UID: 14791 Join Date: 7/7/2004 Status: Lifetime member Mojo: nearly infinite Any questions?

        by Richard Cranium on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:38:00 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe in the short term (1+ / 0-)
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          but the Tea Party base has a large elderly component, and those folks aren't going to be around forever.

          There's also a component that are poor but are tied up into the racist elements of the Tea Party spiel, you can only get so much blood from a stone.  Once those folks are milked, there won't be much more forthcoming.

      •  Given the recent favorable/unfavorable ratings (4+ / 0-)
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        feduphoosier, jfromga, svboston, ssgbryan

        floating around, there is only a 3% spread between those who have a favorable view of the Tea Party and those who have a favorable view of Republicans.
           If the Republicans are going to go moderate, they're going to have to seriously trample their base. The base doesn't contain enough moderates to float the party.
           If we get to the end of the continuing resolution and the Administration takes to the road and insists that it won't make any compromises on Social Security or Medicare, the Pubs face the prospect of having to shut down the government in order to cut Social Security, or fold.
          That would drive the last nail through the coffin. But there are probably too many Pete Peterson Democrats for that to happen.

    •  No, we don't (3+ / 0-)
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      Mike Kahlow, falconer520, edwardssl

      There's no rule which says one of the two parties in a two party system needs to be the GOP.

  •  well.. now we'll see if their marketing plan works (2+ / 0-)
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    feduphoosier, Wee Mama

    you know.. if the things the Teaparty were going to try were thought of as "upside potentials" for the GOP's popularity.. they would have done those things under the "GOP brand"

    When you have a solid brand and are going to roll out a new desirable product, you use your solid brand to cause a mutual reinforcement.

    When you have a product you are worried about rolling out, and a solid brand.. you create a different brand for that product so the already solid brand isn't badly damaged if something goes terribly wrong with the product you are rolling out.

    That is why there is a Teaparty in the first place.. so the GOP can roll out undesirable products (shut down, austerity.. etc) and attempt to protect the GOP brand.

    Just as soon as they all realized that the shut down was getting people angry.. they all started to "blame it on the Teaparty".. or "the crazies".. anything but the GOP.

    The party of the corporations that love marketing and packaging developed the Tearparty for these reasons.

    Watch them and their media megaphones blare out the message.."its them - not us reasonable types" We shall see if they succeed... at the moment it doesn't seem like their insulation plan is working, but there is a long time to go till elections.

    •  It all comes down to money (1+ / 0-)
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      That makes sense.  They were hoping there were enough angry Republicans (and Independents that lean Republican) to really push back against Obama's policies.  When the Tea party overreached, they simply switched back to brand one, the 'reasonable GOP.'  As for watching all of this unfold... its hard to tell if they're more unhappy that the Tea Party failed, or that they attempted the government shutdown in the first place.  It was all about results, not ethics (shocker.)  They feel they have 'nothing to show for' the billions that they have donated.'

      Hard times have arrived for the Republican Party and particularly for right-wing pressure groups like Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS, Heritage Action and the one-time lavishly funded tea party PAC, FreedomWorks. According to a report in Politico, heavyweight Republican donors are frustrated and “horrified” that their money is going to wrong-headed politicians and groups that appear to have no effect on election outcomes.

      I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. - Isoroku Yamamoto

      by feduphoosier on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:44:31 AM PDT

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      •  except they are getting just not enough to satisfy (2+ / 0-)
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        feduphoosier, ssgbryan

        - they kept the preferential rate on investment income
         - they forced the Fed to keep rates lower longer - see stocks
         - the narrative continues to focus around them and now their
            new media darling.. Ted Cruz.
         - The progressive agenda may be moving forward but they
           have made sure the progress is through 4 feet of mud.  

        no... I think they are getting lots

        think of it like this...

        There is a room with oxygen in it.. that is the middle class and its "wealth". They will not add any oxygen to the room and every year they insist on taking out the amount they took out the year before plus 5% (gotta satisfy Wall Street).

        At some point the air runs thin.. that has already occurred..

        Now they want their 5% increase and they aren't getting that.. but they are still withdrawing more oxygen from the room.  

        They aren't happy - they want that extra 5% as usual.

        that is where they are today.. soon there will not be enough air to even give them the prior year's amount.. and eventually the middle class suffocates while they complain they aren't getting enough.        

  •  Paul Begala tweets about this poll: (6+ / 0-)
    Read the entire WaPo/ABC poll. Dems & POTUS win every single question. By a mile.…

    I ♥ President Barack Obama.

    by ericlewis0 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:47:59 AM PDT

  •  So here's a question (0+ / 0-)

    My state will never go blue, at least not in my lifetime. Both senators and one rep (tea party) voted against ending the shutdown/raising the debt limit, but one voted yes because it was "the right thing to do for the country" He's already being primary threatened from the right - do I try to help save him? It's a quandary as I usually put all of my energy and cash outside the state but shit, Washington is getting scary.

  •  It is the media that hasn't figured it out (6+ / 0-)

    they still have 80% Republicans on all the talk shows and still use the "both sides do it" or he said/she said type of reporting.  It drives me crazy.  

    •  Corporate mouthpieces (1+ / 0-)
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      That is what the corporate world wants us to believe.  That its all broken -- that our democratically elected process is... completely broken.  I think they're secretly hoping we'll replace our 'broken government' with something they can more easily control, rather than toss the lobbyist rats that have undermined it and stolen it from us in the first place.  And so they proclaim 'there is blame to go around.'  Really?  How - exactly - is it the hostage's fault that the kidnapper refuses to negotiate?  

      I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve. - Isoroku Yamamoto

      by feduphoosier on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 12:26:10 PM PDT

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  •  Now Time To Save That Bankrupt Social Security (0+ / 0-)

    system so says Dick Durbin.

    This is how Democrats give it all away to Republicans.

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 03:20:02 PM PDT

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