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Human beings have the power of rational thought, foresight, the ability to learn from their own actions and the actions of others (consequences). So why do we still keep having gun "accidents"?

From a news item posted just two hours ago, "3 Calif. children injured after accidental discharge of police rifle"

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"We are looking into exactly what led to the accidental discharge," said Julie Gobin, a school district spokeswoman."

It's no accident: a loaded weapon, no trigger lock, a curious child not prevented from touching the weapon. How often do we have to read about this before we figure out it's not a good mix?

I was an Army aviator. Safety was a part of my life, one I took seriously. So seriously some guys didn't like flying with me..."no fun stuff." That's why in over 3700 hours of flying helicopters I had no incidences, aka "accidents".

In the Army, there were no accidents. If humans were involved, there was a better-than 75% chance (don't remember the exact number anymore) it was human error, not a maintenance issue or "act of God".

In the time between the Vietnam war and Desert Storm, the Army couldn't afford to loose aircraft to stupid stuff. And stupid stuff was always human error. Why could the Army realize this, yet for people who handle loaded weapons for their livelihood, it's an "accident"?

There's so much more going through my head I was to stay on topic and off-rant. AAAArrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh!

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    I want to live in a civil society. Political compass: -7.88, -5.08

    by dragonwerx on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:15:56 AM PDT

  •  Agreed nt (2+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, LilithGardener

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:30:45 AM PDT

  •  I Think You Need to Check the Definition (1+ / 0-)
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    high uintas

    By every definition I'm familiar with this was an accident, albeit one that was preventable, like nearly all accidents.

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by The Baculum King on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:35:01 AM PDT

    •  There are denotative and connotative (3+ / 0-)
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      coquiero, davespicer, a2nite

      definitions. "Accident" is often used as a euphemism to deflect responsibility, such as Ronnie Raygun's infamous "mistakes were made." Human error, in which humans who commit errors get identified and get held responsible, removes much of this deflection. I think that is what the diary points toward, nuance, and definitions beyond a singular, literal one. A good dictionary would also look at the connotative meaning(s), too.

      I discover myself on the verge of a usual mistake. ― Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

      by dannyboy1 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:51:46 AM PDT

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    •  The trigger was pulled deliberately (0+ / 0-)

      From the linked article:

      ... approached the vehicle and pulled the trigger on the rifle
      A human pulled the trigger, evidently on purpose.  That was deliberate.  That was intended.  It was also foreseeable.  Where's the accident?

      The bullet did not get into the weapon by "accident" -- a human deliberately loaded the gun.  The gun was not there by accident, it was an intended demonstration.

      It's not like the gun was dropped and went off "accidentally."  It was operated as intended (pull trigger on loaded gun and it operates as intended).

      I actually disagree with the diarist that there are no accidents, but this was not an accident, imo.

    •  Failure to supervise the children (2+ / 0-)
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      high uintas, Calamity Jean

      Failure to properly secure a loaded AR-15.

      It's not hard to see where the responsibility lies.

      If a situation is safe for a group of children to assemble, why does there need to be a round in the chamber? Why are adults with divided attention allowed to carry loaded guns into a gaggle of children?

      It's a predictable consequence resulting from multiple intentional acts by one adult. The cop should be fired.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 10:27:45 AM PDT

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      •  I Didn't Say There Wasn't Gross Negligence (1+ / 0-)
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        high uintas

        There clearly was. In NO way does my reading of the definition of "accident" absolve anyone of responsibility for their negligence in any even minor way.

        Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

        by The Baculum King on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 10:35:35 AM PDT

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        •  That's the point as I see it (1+ / 0-)
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          Calamity Jean

          Negligence is at fault here.

          And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

          by high uintas on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 11:01:45 AM PDT

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  •  From Merriam-Webster: (3+ / 0-)
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    tampaedski, davespicer, jan4insight
    a :  an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance
    But that's actually definition 2a from the full definition list. Here's the primary definition:

    ac·ci·dent noun ˈak-sə-dənt, -ˌdent; ˈaks-dənt\
    : a sudden event (such as a crash) that is not planned or intended and that causes damage or injury

    : an event that is not planned or intended : an event that occurs by chance

    So the word has very strong connotations of "shit happens". I'm with the diarist on this. A negligant discharge should be called what it is.

    One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain -Bob Marley

    by Darwinian Detritus on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:07:10 AM PDT

  •  Wish I could rec this 10 million times! (2+ / 0-)

    Also too, as much as I support the Kos diarists who document the weekly, daily, monthly gun fails in the U.S., I so wish they would stop using the "accident" lingo and go to the "negligent discharge" framing.

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    by jan4insight on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 09:05:15 AM PDT

    •  I agree and we should all (1+ / 0-)
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      start posting this in comments in every diary that improperly calls these moments of firearms negligence accidental shootings.

      Someone failed to secure a loaded firearm when it was not in use for a lawful purpose.

      Showing off with a loaded gun is not covered under the Second Amendment.

      Someone loaded the magazine.
      Someone put the magazine in the AR-15.
      Someone loaded a round in the chamber.
      Someone failed to switch the safety on.
      Someone brought the loaded AR-15 into the school yard.
      Someone failed to supervise the loaded AR-15 in the presence of children's hands.


      The cop should be fired and face charges of reckless endangerment.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 10:34:10 AM PDT

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