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Or should that be Yurpeens, because it takes a Republican to be quite so daft.

US lawmakers took to the airwaves over the weekend to defend the National Security Agency’s surveillance programme after a week of mounting French and German outrage, saying Europeans should be grateful for US spying since it keeps them safe.
Of dear lord, trying the "keep you safe" schtick with Europe now; hasn't that crap worn thin even in the US yet? Poor little commie Europeans don't know how to protect their own countries from the ravening Muslim hordes at their borders.
"The reality is the NSA [National Security Agency] has saved thousands of lives, not just in the United States but also in France and Germany and throughout Europe. The French are some ones to talk; the fact is, they've carried out spying operations against the United States, both the government and industry. As far as Germany, that's where the Hamburg plot began, which led to 9/11,” said King, referring to the cell of Islamist radicals based in the German city of Hamburg, which included 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.
~Republican Congressman Peter King
France, yada, yada, freedom fries.
"If the French citizens knew exactly what that was about, they would be applauding and popping champagne corks. It's a good thing. It keeps the French safe. It keeps the US safe. It keeps our European allies safe," said Rogers.
Champagne swilling commie pinko fascist French, yada, yada.

Oh and of course President Obama should stop apologizing n stuff to his commie pinko Nazi allies.

It takes a Republican to be this cretinous, even the British are getting somewhat nervous as more revelations are forthcoming.

Keeping Europeans safe?  One thing for sure, it has nothing at all to do with keeping Europeans safe.

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  •  Tip Jar. Keeping us safe (26+ / 0-)

    Jesus H fucking christ that old schtick

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 05:23:55 AM PDT

  •  European governments have to act all shocked (3+ / 0-)
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    disturbed to cover up their own participation.

    So on this issue I'm not that all that sympathetic to them.

    But doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see a nutcase Rebub staunchly defend one of Obama's signature accomplishments?

  •  Greetings from germany (5+ / 0-)

    yeahh just our safety they would never ever sell those data to goldman , who where somehow able to put a goldman vet in every f**** Gov here in europe .
    Could it be that our beloved elected are blackmailed to work for other intrests than ours.
    the only safety that counts to them is the safety of their kings investments
    i doubt it was erver about anything else

  •  I think the obvious distinction... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...however dislikeable it is, is between mass spying and spying on allied governments including their top leaders.  I don't think anyone outside the US has any US constitutional guarantees, and I take it for granted that our government will intercept foreign communications, but doing that for allied leaders is foolish and then doubling down, as Peter King predictably did, by noting the 9/11 plot was hatched in Hamburg only begs the question of whether Germany's leaders were in on the plot.  Which might be a fine direction for Peter King to take his inquiries, because he's deranged, but for most people it only brings home the idiocy of spying on allied leaders.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 05:53:30 AM PDT

    •  Funnily enough I believe everyone has (7+ / 0-)

      privacy rights, not just Americans, therefore getting caught data mining demands explanation; a valid explanation even and not tripe.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 05:59:33 AM PDT

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      •  Well, at some point it *is* funny. (0+ / 0-)

        There may be lots of practical reasons not to intercept the phone calls of people outside our country, but I'm not sure if there are any philosophical ones.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 06:11:16 AM PDT

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        •  Then there are no philosophical reasons (2+ / 0-)
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          corvo, enhydra lutris

          against spying on your own population just an outdated concept of personal privacy that some people decided to write into a nations constitution

          "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

          by LaFeminista on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 06:14:26 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, I think the distinction (3+ / 0-)
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      should go the other way. States have always spied on one another, so we really shouldn't be surprised by that. While it might not be nice, appropriate, or wise to spy on one's closest allies, that type of espionage has been with us since the dawn of politics.

      However, the capability to spy on another nation's general population is new - and it does raise uncomfortable constitutional questions.

      Generally speaking, foreigners who find themselves within a country's jurisdiction enjoy most of the same guarantees as that country's citizens. Even if a state doesn't care a whit about foreigners, protecting their human rights makes sense from a practical point of view: If you have no problem in principle with, say, torturing foreigners, if you do so other countries might decide that they have no problem torturing your citizens, either. Traditional spying doesn't fundamentally interfere with this generak principle, since it's targeted at specific individuals and institutions.

      Mass surveillance, however, does. Today, the United States is able to spy on whole populations of foreign countries, with little fear of retaliation due to its privileged position in the telecommunication infrastructure. However, in the medium to long term, such antics can lead to a fragmentation of the internet, countermeasures, retaliatory spying, and so on. Not a nice outcome for anyone involved.

      Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

      by Dauphin on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 06:15:35 AM PDT

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    •  re: "any US constitutional guarantees" (1+ / 0-)
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      corvo

      My biggest problem, hands down, with this damn spying is that it is blatantly illegal per the US constitution.  If .gov can't or won't obey it's own highest rules, well, the corollary should be intuitive.

    •  Yup, this is why we as a Americans (0+ / 0-)
      I don't think anyone outside the US has any US constitutional guarantees,
      have a fundamental human right to own guns, but no one else does.
  •  I suppose collecting potentially (6+ / 0-)

    compromising information, as well as material useful in manufacturing kompromat, on currently and potentially politically active Europeans is merely an unfortunate side effect of surveillance and something the self-sacrificing, altruistic United States would never, ever take advantage of, right?

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 05:56:33 AM PDT

  •  Yeaaa! Europe is kept safe from Angela Merkel! (4+ / 0-)

    Oh, wait....

  •  There is something to this though. And please, (0+ / 0-)

    every country spies as much as they are able.

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 06:02:00 AM PDT

  •  I would like to stand with Europe (3+ / 0-)
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    in protest of the NSA spying.  From what we know of it now, it has already gone way too far and yet we keep learning more and more.  For example from this morning's Slashdot: Japan Refused To Help NSA Tap Asia's Internet

  •  Merkle should be really grateful-spied on since... (2+ / 0-)
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    2002 three years before becoming Chancellor--she must be very special to her "protectors" in the NSA:

    ...Germany's Angela Merkel became Chancellor in 2005. But the American National Security Agency started spying on her three years earlier....
    Though the GOPer fearmongers & the NSA very serious people are trying to convince the world of their very serious efforts to keep the world safe, some folks just aren't taking them all that seriously: "...der Spiegel today had a bit of fun with the spy scandal..."
    ...that has Europe and much of the rest of the world in an uproar.

    They ran a piece about an imaginary text-ersation between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her husband. The Chancellor confides that she’s more than a bit concerned the U.S. President Barack Obama “never thanked us for that nice Streuselkuchen. I must raise that with him.”

    Before her husband has the time to respond, a text arrives from the American president, in which he writes: “Just occurred to me that I never thanked you for the nice Streuselkuchen. It’s wonderful. I keep it on my desk and Michelle waters it every day.”

    A Streuselkuchen is a cake with a butter-sugar topping. And so therein is the European perception of the U.S. spy scandal. The Americans are not only nosey, they’re incompetent....

    •  it was worth scrolling down to find this (2+ / 0-)
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      Leave it to "der Spiegel" to find the levity in a "Strueselküchen" -  this was priceless  

      and now I must clean the coffee off of my laptop screen....

      but thanks ;-)

      America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

      by dagnome on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:44:50 AM PDT

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  •  wait till peter king discovers we're spying on (0+ / 0-)

    ireland to keep them safe from pedophilia

    Sarah Palin is a disgusting racist pig.

    by memofromturner on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:52:51 AM PDT

  •  It hasn't even worn thin on Daily Kos. When (1+ / 0-)
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    the Kenya Mall attack occurred there was snide triumphant trumpeting about "Where are the critics of the security state and obscenely oversized military now, why aredn't they addressing this?", as if Kenya were the 51st state and our security clownshow did, could have or should have detected, warned of and prevented that tragedy; as if our wannabe police state apparat was at all concerned with the safety of the US citizenry or other victims of its activities.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 09:10:49 AM PDT

  •  In a 'Surveillance Society' ... (0+ / 0-)

    no one is your friend.


    Take me somewhere nice. Reality doesn't play fair. - 16382

    by glb3 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 09:14:42 AM PDT

  •  And I thought this was going to be (0+ / 0-)

    a pro NSA diary.

    But that will come.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 09:15:53 AM PDT

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