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A few weeks ago, I was accused of “repeating Bush/Cheney cabal/right-wing talking points.” Another comment of mine prompted the response, “It's refreshing to see right-wing talking points get uprated.”

That’s funny. Most people who know me in reality would say that I’m a left-of-center Democrat, and with good reason – because that’s what I am.

It’s April 1984. My buddy and I spend an evening handing out Gary Hart pamphlets at our polling precinct for the Pennsylvania primary. I’m 16 years old. He loses the primary to Walter Mondale, who goes on to win Minnesota and finish in second place in the other 49 states in November’s general election.

It’s the summer of 1984. My father, who’s an Italian immigrant, and I are watching Gov. Mario Cuomo’s keynote address at the Democratic National Convention. Five minutes into the speech, we realize we’re watching greatness unfold. We beckon my mother and brother to join us, and we all watch the greatest speech we’ve ever heard, a speech that touches me like none I’ve heard since, a speech that puts best why I’m a Democrat:

It's an old story. It's as old as our history. The difference between Democrats and Republicans has always been measured in courage and confidence. The Republicans -- The Republicans believe that the wagon train will not make it to the frontier unless some of the old, some of the young, some of the weak are left behind by the side of the trail. "The strong" -- "The strong," they tell us, "will inherit the land."

We Democrats believe in something else. We Democrats believe that we can make it all the way with the whole family intact, and we have more than once. Ever since Franklin Roosevelt lifted himself from his wheelchair to lift this nation from its knees -- wagon train after wagon train -- to new frontiers of education, housing, peace; the whole family aboard, constantly reaching out to extend and enlarge that family; lifting them up into the wagon on the way; blacks and Hispanics, and people of every ethnic group, and native Americans -- all those struggling to build their families and claim some small share of America.

It’s 1988. I’m in college. My friends and I go to the David L. Lawrence Convention Center a few days before the election to hear Mike Dukakis speak. We work our way to the front of the crowd and shake his hand. We’re thrilled.

A few days later, Dukakis wins 10 states and silver-medals in 40 others.

It’s 1992. I’m newly married. My wife and I live in an apartment in the Pittsburgh suburbs. It’s a largely Republican area. But one Saturday morning in September, as we’re pounding in Clinton/Gore signs along a highway, we get honks and thumbs-up from passersby.

We’re stunned and elated. It occurs to us that the so-called “Republican lock” on the White House was about to be picked by our boy Bill.

Nov. 3, 1992. I see a Democrat reach 270 for the first time since I was nine years old.

It’s 1996. Clinton’s re-election is never in doubt, but we still volunteer and celebrate on election night.

It’s 2000. My family and I gather at my mother’s house for what we know is going to be a tense night. At first, there’s joy. Florida’s blue! It’s just a matter of waiting till 11:00 p.m. to make it official. Get the champagne ready! We’ve dodged a huge bullet! And then…well, we all know that tale of woe.

I damn near cried when they took Florida away from Gore.

And I’m sure this is just a coincidence, but the night Gore conceded, I was suffering from food poisoning. I sat on my couch, watching Gore give his gracious speech, feeling like I had one foot in the grave. I think writers refer to this as “foreshadowing.”

2000-2008: Crying and vomiting turned out to be the right response toward the Bush years.

It’s 2004. We convince ourselves John Kerry could win. We had hope on election night. Then, Ohio breaks our heart. My family and I sit in stunned silence. The feeling in my mother’s den is funereal.

It’s 2008.  We take our then-7-year-old out to knock on doors the night before the election – not because we’re worried about losing but because we want him to say someday, “I volunteered for Barack Obama.”

It’s 2012. Ohio makes up for its 2004 transgression and brings pandemonium to my household.

The problem some of you apparently have is that there are folks on this site – and in the real world – who are left-of-center Democrats who are also Obama supporters. Has he made mistakes? Of course. Have I criticized him when it’s warranted? Yep. But good heavens, people, the good outweighs the bad ten thousandfold.

Just because we disagree with you doesn’t make us Dick Cheney.

So, please, stop questioning my Democratic bona fides.

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  •  Not (7+ / 0-)

    familiar with your particulars, but let it go. Keep up the good fight.

  •  It's Daily Kos. People call (27+ / 0-)

    names often when they cannot argue.   You know you are a Democrat.  Don't worry what someone calls you on the internet.   Only you can give people like that power.  If you know who you are, fuck them.    

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 12:56:02 PM PDT

  •  It's another way of evading argument. (15+ / 0-)

    Call a point to be "right wing talking" and move on, as if the label is a magical talisman that substitutes for reasoned discussion.  Poof, I invoke the magic words and your point is banished henceforth!!

    I was particularly amused by the entire diary that listed what it called right wing talking points with regard to Russell Brand, which in reality were the OBVIOUS points regarding Russell Brand that the diarist wanted to dismiss in advance.  

    "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

    by Inland on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 12:56:45 PM PDT

    •  Well, it kinda is (5+ / 0-)
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      Call a point to be "right wing talking" and move on, as if the label is a magical talisman that substitutes for reasoned discussion.
      It's like when fundies start calling science " the work of the devil". Once an idea gets those labels, the labelers don't have to think anymore.

      It's entirely faith based.

    •  It Would Help to See a List of RW Talking Points (1+ / 0-)
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      Sandino

      that are true.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 01:18:46 PM PDT

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      •  If there were a list available to me, (1+ / 0-)
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        jiffypop

        I'm pretty sure I could compare what Benderrodriguez says to the list instead of letting people just sling it as the all purpose "make it go away" riposte.

        Not to mention the diary anticipating RW talking points.  If something is right wing because it is a) obvious and b) not nice to Russell Brand, where's the RW part?  

        "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

        by Inland on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 01:26:22 PM PDT

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      •  Some of us don't even know that something *is* (4+ / 0-)

        a RW talking point, because we got the information from somewhere else. For example, I've recently been reading and seeing a lot about the Islamic movement to restore the Caliphate. I'd been reading Islamic websites that were talking it up and I'd seen videos of pro-Caliphate rallies on mainstream sites like Yahoo news. But when I mentioned it in a comment some weeks back, someone began hysterically accusing me of spreading RW conspiracy theories and threatening to get me banned. I had no earthly idea what she was talking about. A few days ago I learned that apparently Glenn Beck -- whose work I've never read -- likes to bang on about the Caliphate movement. I guess that was where she was getting it from; I don't know, because she never explained. Whatever.

        Point is, people can be utterly blindsided by the "RW talking point" smear if they got their information from mainstream sources and are actually unfamiliar with whatever the right-wingers have to say about the topic.

  •  I won't let the perfect be the enemy of the good (10+ / 0-)

    As a result, I get called all kinds of names around here.

    Whatever. People who think that simply rarely get much done anyway, so I'm unlikely to encounter them again.

  •  I don't know what you wrote (11+ / 0-)

    but don't let it bother you.  You know you are a Democrat.  I can't stand people who think they are purer than somebody else.  I'm a yellow dog, have been since 1972, but I'm happy if someone turned Democratic today.  We need all we can get.

    tell mr. godot I'm walking the dog

    by chicago minx on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 01:02:34 PM PDT

  •  You might want to quote the comments, ... (5+ / 0-)

    ...or at least link to them, given your title and diary intro.

    Once I jumped over the orange squiggle, I felt like I had just walked into a department store carrying a bait and switch ad.

    It might help if folks had some vague idea what it is that you are talking about.

    •  I thought about doing that... (10+ / 0-)

      but I fear if I provide links, it's tantamount to calling people out, which will lead to a pie fight, which I don't want to happen.

      Suffice it to say that I had the temerity to remind folks that Sept. 11 actually happened and that the drone program, while obviously imperfect and at times heartbreakingly tragic, has undoubtedly saved American lives.

      Feel free to peruse my comments if you want to find the conversations.

      How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

      by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 01:11:03 PM PDT

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      •  Was somebody here unaware of 9/11? (1+ / 0-)
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        That surprises me.

      •  You could copy and paste instead of linking. (4+ / 0-)

        Then you can leave names out of it.  

          Lieberman was/is a Democrat, so are Blue Dogs.   Being a Democrat doesn't mean much when they are pushing cuts to Social Security and refusing to charge student loans the same interest rate they are charging the banks.  

         Show me what you do, and I'll show you what you are.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

        by dkmich on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:08:07 PM PDT

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        •  Are you serious? (8+ / 0-)

          Again, I'll repeat it: If you're so curious about the comments in question, feel free to peruse them.

          "Show me what you do"? I went down the list in my diary of "showing you" what I've done since 1984 -- before I was even a registered voter -- concerning being a Democrat.

          How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

          by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:14:37 PM PDT

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          •  I could care less what's bugging you. (3+ / 0-)
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            You wrote the diary, I didn't.   You said you thought about and discarded the thought of linking because you didn't want to out people and start a pie fight.  I gave you an alternative.   Apparently you were happier helpless.  

            What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

            by dkmich on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:31:22 PM PDT

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            •  More absolute nastiness. Stop it. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

              by rubyr on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 03:57:18 PM PDT

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              •  Here's the stupid and the nasty. (2+ / 0-)
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                You might want to quote the comments, ... (5+ / 0-)
                ...or at least link to them, given your title and diary intro.

                Once I jumped over the orange squiggle, I felt like I had just walked into a department store carrying a bait and switch ad.

                It might help if folks had some vague idea what it is that you are talking about.

                by earlybird on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:04:00 PM EDT

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                * [new]  I thought about doing that... (10+ / 0-)
                but I fear if I provide links, it's tantamount to calling people out, which will lead to a pie fight, which I don't want to happen.

                Suffice it to say that I had the temerity to remind folks that Sept. 11 actually happened and that the drone program, while obviously imperfect and at times heartbreakingly tragic, has undoubtedly saved American lives.

                Feel free to peruse my comments if you want to find the conversations.

                How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

                by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:11:03 PM EDT

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                * [new]  Was somebody here unaware of 9/11? (1+ / 0-)
                That surprises me.

                by earlybird on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:36:25 PM EDT

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                I responded to HIS COMMENT civilly even though he sniped at and insulted everyone with his "temerity to remind people of 911".   Apparently we must wear black because we are the only country that's ever been bombed by terrorists or until Rush says it's ok to quit escalating drone attacks and wars across the globe for "freedom".

                I can certainly understand why people accuse him of being a a veritable walking keyboard of RW talking points.   Appears to me snippy and nasty might be more appropriate for him and his cheering team.

                What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

                by dkmich on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 04:30:01 AM PDT

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        •  He spent (12+ / 0-)

          almost the entire diary explaining what he's done!
          Jeezus .

          Obama 2012 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

          by jiffypop on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:18:06 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutely unnecessary nastiness toward the (1+ / 0-)
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          diarist. DBAD.

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 03:56:44 PM PDT

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      •  So it was a faith-based argument? (3+ / 0-)
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        Yeah, the fact that lots of RW talking points are faith-based arguments does not mean that all faith-based arguments are RW talking points.

        There is ample grounds for doubt that taking all of the consequences of drone attacks into account that they have saved more American lives than they cost. But its quite possible for it to be "undoubtedly true" for someone who elects to take a one-eyed view of the issue ...

        ... as many on this site are wont to do as it is a Democratic President giving the order and therefore an intra-party policy argument.

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        by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:48:57 AM PDT

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      •  So, basically, you are talking about this comment? (5+ / 0-)
        I must have missed the part…

        where lunatic American terrorists perpetrated a successful attack on innocent European civilians and cost more than 3,000 lives.

        Now, if that actually had happened, then, yes, European countries would have every right to avenge that act of war and attack us in return.

        I think sometimes folks forget that Sept. 11, 2001, actually happened and that it wasn’t some Hollywood blockbuster.

        ... which was a reply to:
        Yeah, and who's to say...

        that they shouldn't be able to fly drones in our air-spaces and take out meth labs with hell-fire missiles.  Maybe they hit a couple places here and there that just happen to be orphanages or something but that's just the cost of war.

        Now, you could over a hundred and have been organizing to help elect FDR in his first election bid, it doesn't change the fact that that line of argument actually is both:

        (1) a RW talking point

        and

        (2) not a valid justification for drone strikes against people who had nothing to do with 9/11 ~ which indeed includes indeed, innocent bystanders killed at the same time as killing someone who did have something to do with 9/11.

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        by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:07:31 AM PDT

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        •  didn't see (5+ / 0-)

          Any hide rates on that comment.  I also noticed that only the statement was criticized, not the commenter.  

          So I guess it's a very stealthy way of silencing the diarist.   Comparing what he said to the right wing, which is indistinguishable from what the right wing actually says.

          Oh the horror!  How about this.  If it bothers you that people call your right wing statements right wing, perhaps the people who react to your statements aren't the problem.  Own it or change it.  

          It puts the lotion on its skin

          by Nada Lemming on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:21:48 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, no threat to "HR you into oblivion" ... (5+ / 0-)

            ... as made against another diarist, after a long-standing RW talking point was deployed against that diarist.

            Just the argument that long time involvement in Democratic politics implies that no claim you ever make from then on can ever conceivably be a RW talking point, which is a non sequitur argument.

            Its conceivable that the diarist here is somebody so used to argument ad hominem that they didn't recognize it when a critique was actually directed to a claim they had made, rather than being directed against them personally, so they thought that a attack of their personal Democratic credentials somehow rebutted the critique of their original claim.

            But, OTOH, speculating on what motivates people to craft logically shaky arguments is itself stepping onto shaky ground.

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            by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 10:19:02 AM PDT

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  •  sometimes, perhaps, folks use that when they mean: (2+ / 0-)
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    ...they may have seen some verbal behaviors that seem out of character, or outside social norms, for a Democratic participant at this site.

    It seems to me that we humans tend to assess each other's credibility partly by the behaviors we encounter during attempts to communicate.

    Cheers

  •  Gov. Mario Cuomo could give a (5+ / 0-)

    helluva speech!  

    Thanks for all the reminders!  I don't feel I have to explain anything more to anyone who asks but simply that I'm a liberal Democrat.  As far as I'm concerned that is all anyone needs to know and I don't ask for anyone's validation.  Just do what you are doing and thanks for all you have done!

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 01:55:53 PM PDT

  •  Without seeing the comments (7+ / 0-)

    you're referring to, how is one to determine whether or not those characterizations were inaccurate?

    Your Democratic party bona fides aren't relevant to evaluating specific comments you make in the present, nor do they exempt you from being perceived as being left, center, or right, within the party, based on those comments.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:01:53 PM PDT

    •  I explained my reasons above. (3+ / 0-)
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      Hey338Too, jiffypop, Lying eyes

      Feel free to peruse my comments to find the conversations.

      How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

      by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:08:09 PM PDT

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      •  dkmich had an idea above. (1+ / 0-)
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        jabney

        You could C&P the comments in question without the names.

        Either that or you could change the title and intro to match more accurately the content of your diary.

        Sending folks on a scavenger hunt thru your own comments is asking quite a bit from your readers.

        •  I could...but I'm not. (4+ / 0-)
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          jiffypop, Aquarius40, Lying eyes, rubyr

          I don't want this diary to turn into a damn pie fight, which will invariably happen were I to do what you have requested.

          The comments I mentioned are of recent vintage, should you be so inclined to seek them out.

          And the title and intro will remain as I wrote them, but thanks for the suggestions.

          How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

          by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:23:02 PM PDT

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          •  'I'm not going to tell you what I said ... (3+ / 0-)
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            TheMomCat, LaEscapee, ek hornbeck

            ... to avoid a pie fight'

            ... but ...

            'you can peruse my comments and work out what it is I am talking about'

            Being coy and putting the burden of finding out what you are talking about on your readers is not going to prevent it from devolving into a pie fight, given that you are talking about making exactly the kind of sweeping claim unbacked by substantial argument that the Bush/Cheney administration made to justify actions.

            "It undoubtedly saved American lives" is a claim that we have seen debunked time and again when more information comes out, but time and again the ADHD American Mess Media has long since moved on when the claim is debunked.

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            by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:57:45 AM PDT

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        •  Heh... (3+ / 0-)

          Wow you've been here almost a month and you still haven't figured out the search function?

          Bender doesn't have to answer to you.

          Obama 2012 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

          by jiffypop on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:25:21 PM PDT

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          •  Of course he doesn't. Diarists have no... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...obligation to anybody to make their diaries clear and understandable.

            Bender doesn't have to answer to you.
            They can just leave us scratching our heads if they want.

            I've never claimed otherwise.

          •  Incidentally, the search function isn't needed. (2+ / 0-)
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            If the diarist really wanted us to know what this is all about, he or she would simply tell us.

            My desire to know the details is even less than the diarist's desire to tell us.

          •  No, but he does have to answer to some of us (3+ / 0-)
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            earlybird, Sandino, TheMomCat

            Who HAVE been here longer than a month, and who generally appreciate having the source of the complaint easily available.

            Why the fuck should readers waste their time searching for the comments just because the diarist is too conflict-averse to provide them himself? He wrote the diary complaining, so he should be willing to follow it through.

            Pulling the n00b card on the above commenter doesn't invalidate his/her observation.




            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

            by DeadHead on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:30:25 PM PDT

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            •  I'm not complaining. (1+ / 0-)
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              jiffypop

              I'm setting the record straight.

              In the time it took you to write your comments in this diary, you could have easily located the comments in question.

              How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

              by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:34:30 PM PDT

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              •  Fine. You're not complaining. (2+ / 0-)
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                You're just TELLING people not to question you, because you're a Democrat.

                I know I CAN find the comments. That isn't the point.

                As long as you've set the record straight, then you're good, I guess.

                Meanwhile, next time you take a right-wing position on something, people will probably point it out, unaware this diary was ever posted.




                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                by DeadHead on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:53:26 PM PDT

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            •  That's what separates (1+ / 0-)
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              real writers from this diarist.

              Being a real writer requires courage.

              Which is why I'm not one myself.  

      •  Right, you don't want to quote your own comments (4+ / 0-)
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        earlybird, Sandino, TheMomCat, triv33

        Even though doing so is not a "call-out."

        You're trying to avoid a pie fight by skipping the controversy and jumping right to the part where you get to declare yourself the victim.

        It isn't the responsibly of your readers to seek out the context necessary to properly evaluate your diary. Unless, of course, you just want people to take your word for it and tell you how wrong some unknown person was for being mean to some unknown comment(s) of yours.

        In which case, that's fine. I'm sure someone will oblige.

        Good luck.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

        by DeadHead on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:11:43 PM PDT

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        •  You seem to be spoiling for a pie fight. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not going to give you one.

          One of the comments was from this past Friday. The other was from this past Saturday.

          Again, feel free to look through my comments. I'm sure you'll find them.

          If I provide a link, I feel I'd be dragging others into this diary, which will lead to a pie fight, which is not my intent.

          And, just so you know, I certainly don't feel I'm a "victim" of anything.

          I just wanted to set the record straight because it's become tedious to see people in good Democratic standing on this site accused of being things they most certainly are not.

          How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

          by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:20:20 PM PDT

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          •  Yes. I'm the one who wants a pie fight (4+ / 0-)
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            Because of YOUR refusal to provide the material that serves as the basis for the complaint in YOUR diary.

            Tell you what.

            I'll save us both the trouble and tell you how I feel about your comments without even reading them:

            Chances are, if someone thought your comments were right-wing and you felt offended enough by that characterization to write a diary about it, they probably were.

            See? No pie fight.

            Have a pleasant evening.  




            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

            by DeadHead on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:38:10 PM PDT

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  •  We have almost exactly the same pedigrees, (14+ / 0-)

    including a campaign stop by Gary Hart and taking koosah kid with me door-to-door for Obama in '08 so he could say he helped make history.

    If you ask any of my friends and family, I'm practically "Karla Marx," and they expect me to lead La Revolucion. LOL. Around here, however, it's another story. I actually was told by another kossack that I "made them sick" or something like that because apparently I said something hopelessly fascist. LOL. Funny thing is, I agree with this person almost 99.99% of the time.    

    I have noticed there are times when it becomes very popular around here to play "Leftier Than Thou."  Sometimes the best way to prove how lefty one is, is by establishing the "righty-ness" of someone else, and to compare oneself favorably to that arbitrary boundary.

    Whatever. Those are the times I just leave that diary, because I guess I'm NOT a "True Leftist" or a "True Liberal" or a "Real Liberal," despite the pedigree I can list like yours. It will never be enough. Not for the purists. I wonder sometimes if they have done more than just type at their keyboards, but I stop myself: that's still playing The Game and it doesn't really matter.

    I have been a Democrat since I registered to vote in 1979. Hell, I was a Democrat the day my Grandpa put his welder's union button in my 4-year-old hand and said "Here, you can wear this. Not even a millionaire can wear this. Only regular folks."  I know what I am. And what everyone here is, no matter where they fall on the "Lefty" spectrum.

    If that's not good enough, well...
                   bender

    Profit is a filthy word. Wherever there is profit, there is also deficit." Russell Brand

    by koosah on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:08:36 PM PDT

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