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Eleven counties in Colorado are voting today to decide whether they should try and throw a bigger temper tantrum than they've currently expressed and try and secede from the state of Colorado to form their own state of North Colorado.  

There have been a number of diaries about this here on DKos, but the summary is this:  These counties, heavily Republican, feel that the state government has not listened to their concerns especially over the past legislative session and election in 2012 where Democrats now control the Governor's office and the Colorado legislature.  The legalization of recreational marijuana was passed in the 2012 election and in this year's legislative session Civil Unions were made legal, there was a measure requiring the rural electricity to have a percentage of generation be from renewable resources (which apparently will increase rates at least in the short term) and equally galling, measures to extend background checks for gun sales to cover gaps and to also limit the magazine size for weapons.  That last measure was primarily prompted by the Aurora theater shooter having a 100 shot magazine that fortunately jammed on him, and it also prompted a magazine maker to say it would leave the state if the measure passed (they haven't shown any signs of carrying through on their threat).  There have been some major changes and the Republicans of those primarily rural counties are having issues with not being able to control the legislature anymore.  The metropolitan areas of Denver, Boulder, Fort Collins and Pueblo (Colorado Springs is still pretty red, though the Democratic Senate Speaker Morse came from there - he was recalled and replaced by a Republican for his gun control votes).  

Since they can't dictate their Republican values to the state anymore, they want to secede and become their own state.  They would need to vote to secede, then decide how to collectively petition the state government to allow them to secede, and then if they receive permission from the state (and that's been promised that it won't happen) they would still need permission from Congress to form their own state, which hasn't been done by any state in 150 years.  In short, (too late) it's not going to happen but that of course won't stop Republicans from throwing this tantrum, trying to get the state to now pay outsize attention to them, and getting more sway than their population warrants.

Below the squiggle I've collected a few links to articles, as well as more of a description of what the fuss is all about.

The Daily Beast has a pretty good summation here: and the comments are fairly entertaining.

CNN, with comments from US Senate candidate Ken Buck, who was Tea Party before Tea Party was fashionable, is at

The Denver Post's view is a pretty matter-of-fact report, befitting the main newspaper in the state.

Death and Taxes also has a pretty snarky view of the likelihood of this ever becoming a reality but they add some flesh to the ideas only hinted at by the other sites.

The Hill says that Republicans are leery of backing the extremists, which is a way of saying that here in Colorado there are some limits to the march over the edge compares it to a family where you have one kid crying for attention.  The governor and legislature have indicated a willingness to try and listen more.

Colorado Pols reminds everyone that the number of people who will vote to secede isn't likely to even be 3% of the state's total population

Poor Richard's News includes a map of most of the counties voting on this, and encourages those who feel unrepresented by their elected officials to keep efforts like this alive.

The Greeley Tribune, the largest newspaper in the largest population city in that area, is a pay site.  However, even the beginning of this articleshows just how incompetent these secessionists are.

7:29 PM PT: Right now, apparently most counties are voting secession down.

Originally posted to ColoTim on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 03:38 PM PST.

Also republished by Colorado COmmunity.

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Comment Preferences

  •  No matter what the votes will be (7+ / 0-)

    The Colorado Legislature and U.S. Congress have to vote to approve these counties to form their own state, which I'm 99.99 percent sure will not happen. It's more about letting out their anger and frustration with the state moving to a more urban, politically semi left of center, diverse direction; that's all this vote is about.

  •  better idea... (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, FindingMyVoice

    Let them go and join Wyoming - as long as the population is small enough to where it doesn't grant WY another House seat.

  •  Don't forget too (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, FindingMyVoice, Larsstephens

    the state is voting on Amendment 66 which increases funding for schools by raising the flat tax rate to 5 percent for 75k and under; 5.9 for over 75k. Also proposition AA which puts forward the taxation of marijuana after last years' election. I'm not sure if A66 is going to be passed, but I'm pretty confident that Prop AA is going to.

  •  Hissy Fits Like This... (7+ / 0-)

    ...really are something.  I mean when Republicans were in control of Colorado did Boulder, Denver, Aspen, and other liberal areas talk about seceding?  But once Democrats gain control of the sate then suddenly Republicans can't stand to be a part of the state?

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 03:55:14 PM PST

    •  Just like the TP/GOP nationally (4+ / 0-)
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      RoIn, lcrp, ColoTim, Larsstephens

      this is more of a voter frustration with the direction of the country and state. Just like the TP/GOP nationally doesn't want to face the reality of last year's defeat in the presidential election, voters in these rural counties feel the "new" Colorado is unconcerned with them and they want nothing to deal with the "new" state. Again secession is not going to happen; it's just more a voice of frustration and anger.

  •  Sean Conway (7+ / 0-)

    is a Weld County Commissioner and was formerly Chief of Staff to former US Colo Senator Wayne Allard (R). Conway was used to getting his way when the GOP was in charge in DC but when Allard retired, Conway came back to Northern Colorado and has been a very unhappy guy with the State's all Dem legislature. He pretty much threw a tantrum and got other GOP leaders in No Colo to go along with him except now early supporters are dropping like flies. I honestly think he's doing it for his own political reasons, I'm wondering how it will play out for him (and the others) after the results tonight. Lots of people are ticked at the waste of time, effort, and selfishness that went into this instead of them honoring democracy and doing their jobs and yes, trying to strengthen ties with the rest of the state. THANKS FOR THE DIARY TIM! Rob

    "21st Century Freedom in the USA: Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%"

    by coloradorob on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 04:04:27 PM PST

    •  Well, if I, like Conway, (1+ / 0-)
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      couldn't escape a prepubescent haircut, maybe I'd be a very unhappy guy like him too.

      Once sat at a table with him.  Small talk was difficult.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 05:27:06 PM PST

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  •  The way the state rallied around.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Larsstephens, Maverick80229

    many of these counties during the September flooding makes any vote for secession offensive to me, as a Coloradoan outside these 11 counties. If they approve secession, then fine.

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 04:39:15 PM PST

  •  If this was how it worked (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, Larsstephens

    wouldn't every metro area in the South secede from their red state?

    New Orleans
    Charelston, SC
    Durham/Chapel Hill

    We all get 2 Senators!

    Filibuster reform, 2013 - woulda, coulda, shoulda.

    by bear83 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 05:20:23 PM PST

  •  I like the new proposal (1+ / 0-)
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    to redistribute State Senate seats.  The six geographically largest counties get one senator each; the other counties  get paired together, and each pair gets one seat.

    In this way the State Senate will represent land, not people -- rather like the United States Senate, a pretty awful model if you ask me -- and the Republicans would be guaranteed the State Senate in perpetuity.

    Astonishingly shameless, but there you have it.

    Fortunately, this won't have a snowball's chance in hell either.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 05:25:30 PM PST

    •  Well, I'm just grateful that there's the same (1+ / 0-)
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      representation for me as there is for the individual in Weld County.  As one of those links details, it would be unConstitutional (that whole equal representation bit) to have it county by county so that Denver with about 700,000 residents would have the same representation as a county with 700 residents.

      •  And as we know now, (1+ / 0-)
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        Weld County voted the measure down.  

        That's what happens when you let university professors, Latinos, and microbreweries pervert a Godly community like Greeley. ;-)))

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 08:09:01 AM PST

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  •  Sigh.... (4+ / 0-)

    Remember when Colorado had politicians known for their competency?  Damn but I miss Pat Schroeder.

    One man gathers what another man spills. -- Garcia, Hunter, Lesh

    by Frankenoid on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 05:55:22 PM PST

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