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As a Democrat, New Jersey governor Chris Christie does not represent my interests; he does not support raising the minimum wage, he favors big business over ordinary citizens, he is against same-sex marriage and a host of other issues that we are in disagreement. He is what I consider a typical Republican and I certainly do not want him to be my president. Of course, I would favor him any day over Senator Ted Cruz, a Tea Party favorite but I am hoping for another Democrat to replace Obama when he leaves office.

My hopes are pinned on the base of the Republican Party because nowadays, there is a purity test that all nominees for the Republican ticket have to pass if they are to run for president, or for that matter, any legislative seat in Washington DC and state houses across the country. There is a consistent challenge that Republican hopefuls have to go through to prove how conservative they are, or more likely, how uncompromising and how hard right they are.

We Democrats shake our heads at such stiffness. However, we also count our blessings because when Tea Party candidates, who are always much further to the right than a typical Republican, win over a more moderate conservative in a primary election for a national seat, it raises the chances of a Democrat winning that seat instead in a general election; it has happened time after time.

In 2012, former governor Mitt Romney was finally chosen as the Republican nomination, but it was only after moving so far to the right during the GOP primary, which spoiled his chances in the general election. I must add here that the Republican base got what they deserved in Mitt Romney, someone who was willing to do a complete 180 on his politics, just to please the Tea Party faction of the GOP.

I understand we are still a long ways off from 2016 and many things could change before then. Perhaps establishment Republicans can gain much more of a foothold within their own party before that election, so that moderates have a better chance, including Chris Christie for president, as it is very likely he will run. Personally, I doubt it. The American public have watched as the Tea Party faction of the GOP have applied such a stranglehold on the party that the nation came very close to facing a default on our debt and serious damage done to the country’s economy. Fortunately, this time, better heads prevailed but how long before we again face that same thing and again, Sen. Ted Cruz or some other Tea Party radical uses their filibuster to send the nation into a financial downward spiral?

Chris Christie is a very popular governor in a blue state but he has not faced a Republican primary where he will need either to move much further to the right or face being drummed out early in the race. Christie is not Mitt Romney and he is not the type I believe, that will so easily give in to the Tea Party faction of his party.  His primary opponents will also be quick to remind the party base how Christie welcomed Obama’s help after Hurricane Sandy and his moderate position on several issues. This means it is very likely that he will never get past the primaries, which is great for us Democrats.

We Democrats will be very fortunate if we get a Ted Cruz nomination from the GOP, which will mean a sure win for whoever the Democratic nomination is, though it is Hillary or even good old Joe Biden. Tea Party Republicans are still proclaiming that the Republican Party’s problem is not because it is not moderate enough but because it is still not hard-lined conservative enough. Right-wingers are complaining that Republican legislators are giving in too easily to the Democrats and that they should have held their ground during the shutdown and debt ceiling debate.

Yes, please do, tack even further to the right so that the Democratic Party can continue to win not only the White House but also both legislative branches in Washington DC and in state houses across the country, nothing would please us more.

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 0-)

    Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

    by fidlerten on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 07:54:53 AM PST

  •  Of course he is because too many Dems buy (8+ / 0-)

    his BS.

    He's evil like all the Rs. He is a material & existential threat to Americans just like the evil TBAG version of of the Rs.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:03:42 AM PST

  •  As the Republicans tack to the right, so do Dems. (2+ / 0-)
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    The Overton window's frame is quite cracked form being moved so much.  So it's a blessing, if all you're concerned with is team blue winning, or a curse if you want to ever see progressing policy ascendant.

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:04:19 AM PST

    •  Interesting theory: (1+ / 0-)
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      My theory requires a lot of "ifs" to work, but bear with me.

      As long the tea party extremists continue to fall apart, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if it if Christie is elected President in 2016. I know there are a lot of people here who say Christie is not a moderate, but if he were to become President, he may have no other choice but to govern from the middle. As the American electorate as a whole slowly drifts to the left the Republican party in its current form continues to collapse, eventually the Democrats will probably be able to retake the House and keep the Senate regardless of who is in the White House. With a Democratic majority in congress Christie's ability to wreak havoc as President would be limited, and in this new political reality it would then be up to him to reshape the GOP and the only place he could take them is to the center. What happens to the Democrats if the GOP becomes a center-right party? Well, the Democratic party would have to become the liberals again.

      Before you get too angry at me for even suggesting this, ask yourself one question: Do you want another Wall-Street-friendly left-leaning centrist Democrat as your President so that the Democratic party can continue on as a moderate blob of nothingness? Or do you want a return to the days when the Democratic party was actually liberal/progressive and represented the little guy?

      For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die. Senator Ted Kennedy

      by Blue Silent Majority on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 04:28:28 PM PST

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      •  Blue Silent Majority, (0+ / 0-)

        I agree, Christie probably would not be a horrible president, at least not as horrible a George W. Bush was but he certainly would not be as great as having a Democratic president. I do think if he made it into office, he would probably tack to the left and it's likely that many of his right-leanings may be because he is trying to keep the righties from entirely giving up on him even now.

        As far as I'm concerned, like Christie, I don't care what anyone here thinks of my opinion. I'm not a politician and I am not here to win votes. I'm a gay man who has lived among conservatives all my life. I believe in God an obviously, I have some conservative opinions, or at least, some moderate ones.

        We live in America and even if we do not agree with each other, we all need to learn to respect each other. That is the problem with Tea Party extremist; they think only in absolutes and they do not respect anyone else. I would hope liberals would not do the same.

        I will add though, I am much more liberal than I am conservative.

        Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

        by fidlerten on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 07:06:06 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, he can tack the U.S. Supreme Court... (1+ / 0-)
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          to the right too [or dash any hopes of Democrats changing its conservative leanings].

          I'm for Hillary 2016, not Christie 2016. Hillary will prevail even against Christie!

          •  Supreme Court (1+ / 0-)
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            I must admit that if one of the older liberal justices such as Ginsburg or Breyer were to retire during a potential Christie administration, we could have a disaster on our hands. In fact even if right-leaning Kennedy were to leave the bench on Christie's watch we could have a problem.

            In so far as predicting the major party nominees for 2016, I think it is far more likely that Chris Christie will be the Republican nominee than it is for Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee simply because the Democrats have a much deeper bench.

            "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

            by Blue Silent Majority on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:42:53 AM PST

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      •  to quote harvey kurtzman: it tebble/it hobble. (0+ / 0-)

        Don Benedetto was murdered.-IgnazioSilone(BreadAndWine)

        by renzo capetti on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:02:44 PM PST

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  •  The base will never accept... (3+ / 0-)
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    Another 'moderate' from a blue northeastern state.

  •  The Republicans Have Stopped Moving Right (4+ / 0-)

    and there is now serious money behind moving the extreme wing back toward the center.

    The next election being a midterm, they will still probably do well in many locations with extremism, but the party and its spenders are looking toward 2016 and appearing less rabid.

    Christy doesn't face another election before the Presidential nomination race so he has lots of time to watch how his party retreats from the cliff and to figure a moderate-appearing course for 2016.

    I've got $50 says the primary process Christie will face will be far more moderate-friendly than 2012.

    He's in the right place at the right time to become America's next wrecking ball.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:10:42 AM PST

    •  nerts,Goose.they're the enemy.they won't gentle/up (3+ / 0-)
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      Don Benedetto was murdered.-IgnazioSilone(BreadAndWine)

      by renzo capetti on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:18:51 AM PST

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    •  No, they haven't (4+ / 0-)

      Yes, the money people are panicking. But the problem is that the party has fed the extremists red meat for so long that this time the money people, who picked Romney, won't be able to dictate to them. The base is moving further right every day. There isn't any way they can totally pivot by 2016 and keep that base on board .

      I think you are total wrong. I think the primary process will be even FURTHER to the right than last time. Unfortunately for the Republicans, they ejected moderates and catered to the Tea Party. They have about a year before the primary process starts to eject and repudiate the Tea Party and woo back the moderates who have changed parties/become independents/ dropped out of politics. I just don't see how such a complete sea change is possible. I see no signs of it, other than some panic at the top. But the monster they created is out of control.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:57:46 AM PST

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    •  End of taxes on investment income, estates (4+ / 0-)

      end of public unions, end of repro rights, religious favoring judges, decimated reglulations....Christies agenda IS the teabaggers agenda if they saw it

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:05:22 AM PST

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    •  they didn't learn after the 2012 election. (1+ / 0-)
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      they didn't learn after the damage done to them form the shutdown/default.

      Give some reasons why you think they're going to learn by 2016?


      "The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it" - Dr. Lawrence Krauss

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 10:44:37 AM PST

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  •  yeah? I don't like chris christie (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans are dangerous.
    He's a posturing liar egomaniac narcissist who hasn't done and won't do anything right.
    He's no best chance of anything.
    He's not reasonable. Not trustworthy. He's anti average Joe and Jane, and connected to and backed by horrible people who wish 1 pct harm on us.
    And I think this puff piece diary belongs on a site I'd never visit.

    Don Benedetto was murdered.-IgnazioSilone(BreadAndWine)

    by renzo capetti on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:14:28 AM PST

  •  fidlerten - I agree Christie is the strongest GOP (5+ / 0-)

    candidate. One of the talking heads got it right. People view Christie as someone who gets things done. In an era of gridlock, that is an attribute that is appealing to voters of both parties and indies.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:20:41 AM PST

    •  But NJ people see/saw what nation doesn't (7+ / 0-)

      Christie's popularity among Democrats soared after two things happened: Hurricane Sandy, and Obama's hug.

      Christie pushed for his state, against the Republican skinflints in Congress. He had what appears to have been a warm and friendly meeting with Pres. Obama, with a hug.

      At a time when many people in his state were feeling absolutely devastated that was no doubt emotionally powerful.

      People across the country will hear about it, but won't necessarily have the same emotional response.

      I'm not so sure that Americans in general will have the same view of Christie. Moreover, personality traits that are accepted--even appreciated--by the people of New Jersey may grate on voters elsewhere.

    •  he took fed money because of a storm disaster (5+ / 0-)

      that accomplishment, if you call it such, isn't any resume qualifying this creep for advancement.  Christie is no prize. These R guvs do continual harm undermining fair government every way they can.
      He'll be president of nothing.
      There was a despicable alignment to pol him past being a 1 germ governor. Hope it doesn't happen with Corbett.  Rs must be trounced wherever they turn up to threaten our world.

      Don Benedetto was murdered.-IgnazioSilone(BreadAndWine)

      by renzo capetti on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:35:36 AM PST

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    •  In the primaries, (5+ / 0-)

      he will have to explain what he "got done," and since he hasn't gotten anything much done, that will be hard. He certainly won't be able to explain to Democrats and indies outside New Jersey what he "got done." Remember you are talking in the governor's race about A. incredibly low turnout B. the Democratic Party not backing their candidate and C. Hurricane Sandy. None of those things will prevail in the 2016 presidential race.

      We sure do love to petrify ourselves, don't we, by rewriting lousy candidates like Christie as invincible superheroes? It's one way we lose. We throw up our hands and go "This person is too attractive, charming, powerful, convincing etc etc for us to beat."

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:01:48 AM PST

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  •  Compassionate Conservatism 2.0 (7+ / 0-)

    George W. Bush, Presidential debate, Sept. 30, 2004:

    I understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with the decisions I've made. And I made some tough decisions. But people know where I stand.
    Chris Christie, Nov. 5, 2013:
    Some folks don't agree with some of the things I do, and certainly they don't agree with some of the things I say sometimes, but they know they never have to wonder when they walked into the voting booth today, they didn't say, "Hey, I wonder who this guy is, and what he stands for."
  •  Christie would be a big problem (9+ / 0-)

    For democrats. I'm from NJ, and the thing about Christie is, he's authentic; he's a loudmouth, somewhat coarse, but smart and appears down to earth. He appeals to regular Joe's. He is the anti Obama in a way, not aloof, not professorial. He knows exactly who he is and doesn't apologize. But his warts and all persona will make the others in the primary field look like politicians. His brashness may be what the electorate is ready for in 2016. I hope the GOP primaries chew him up. But they have a history of nominating the moderate, and this time around "electability" is going to be a big theme.

    •  Christie's personality (5+ / 0-)
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      I agree: Christie has a very appealing personality.  Not appealing to me--I find him smug, self-righteous and obnoxious--but appealing to the average voter, who sees his pugnacity as direct and refreshing ("straight-talking").  But I don't agree that Christie is a moderate.  He is a traditional conservative, if not reactionary; but in today's Republican Party, if you're not obviously crazy, you get to be called a moderate.  

      Author, Chomsky's Challenge to American Power www.tony-greco.com

      by Tony Greco on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:57:48 AM PST

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    •  Name a president whose public persona (1+ / 0-)
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      was defined by being a coarse loudmouth? Yes, many were behind the scenes for sure, but it's just not who this country elected as leaders. Then there's his physical appearance. And someone between now and the 2016 GOP convention is going to talk about this guy's abysmal economic record. And Hurricane Sandy won;t have much resonance two-three years from now. Christie needs something else - especially if the economy continues its recovery, albeit slowly.

      His is an act that is just waiting to wear thin.

    •  Yes, he's the anti-Obama (3+ / 0-)
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      dislikable, mean, uncompassionate, hard to relate to.

      And all the primary voters will be looking  for is impeccable conservative credential. You may think Perry is slick, but the GOP voters will hear all the right-wing dog whistles they want to hear.

      You seriously think there's absolutely nothing to all the brewing scandals Romney discovered? You honestly think being crude and insulting  to constituents will play to voters?

      I don't.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:04:29 AM PST

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      •  I don't know (3+ / 0-)
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        People loved the Sopranos, and I think NJ voters find the guy likable. He reaches out to minorities, actually has minority friends and staff (unlike other GOPrs), and is about as easy to relate to as any other blue collar guy. You underestimate him at your peril. Now, being from NJ, he probably does have skeletons. But so did Clinton, LBJ, Kennedy and Reagan.

    •  defndr, (2+ / 0-)
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      Best analogy I've read here. Then of course, you know more about what you're talking about, being from NJ.

      First time I heard Christie, he was jumping on some lady for something she said or asked of him and instantly, I didn't like him. But then, he later gained my respect when he stood up against right-wingers badmouthing Muslims.

      For me, it's a love/hate thing. I've been around conservatives all my life, being that I'm from Oklahoma. I have learned there are some real decent people who are conservative, who would give you the shirt off of their backs if you needed it. I've also had some very heated debates with a few right-wingers.

      Christie is charismatic and straightforward, which wins him over with a lot of voters. He definitely is someone Dems need to fear in 2016 if he somehow gets the Republican nomination.

      Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

      by fidlerten on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:05:53 AM PST

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    •  which is why the Clinton machine is the only (3+ / 0-)
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      way to beat him

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:08:59 AM PST

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  •  Yes, and .... ? (3+ / 0-)
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    This viewpoint has been reiterated only about ten million times, at least half of those since Tuesday night.

    There's no newsflash here. Yes, Christie as nominee is somewhat better than the far-rightc crazy they are most likely to nominee. No, he's not some prince in shining armor once his bullying and scandals become national news. Yes, yes, he will beed to move to the right to win the nomination but probably can't more far enough right to suit the Tea Party.

    Anything to ADD to the discussion?

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

    by anastasia p on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:53:42 AM PST

  •  Maybe Hillary will ask him to be her VP! (3+ / 0-)
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    heheh

    Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

    by Anne Elk on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 10:15:39 AM PST

  •  Christie is Over-rated (1+ / 0-)
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    He comes across like too much of a thug for people in Middle America to warm up to him.

    Language professors HATE me!

    by Zornorph on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 10:19:00 AM PST

  •  and........................ (1+ / 0-)
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    worst chance to actually become their nominee.


    "The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it" - Dr. Lawrence Krauss

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 10:42:52 AM PST

  •  Barbara Buono (2+ / 0-)
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    Sen. Barbara Buono should have gotten more support from the establishment, but the President (whom I respect) the Clintons (who I am a huge supporter of) and everyone else who COULD have made waves for this could-be terrific governor stood aside. The Dems let their strongest opponent get a free pass.

    It's awful, and I can only hope Sen. Buono gives it another go next time, or at least runs for governor in a special election if Christie wins the White House in 2014.

  •  My worst fear (1+ / 0-)
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    Christie snags the nomination, takes a total Bagger as VP, wins, and then has a massive heart attack and dies, leaving us with the Bagger.

    This isn't 'fat bias'; this is an actual concern of mine.

    'snakes as you know have a mortal fear of.........tile'

    by OneCharmingBastard on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 11:59:33 AM PST

  •  No Special Election (1+ / 0-)
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    Kim Guadagno is Lt Governor and would take over until 2017.

    I'm from Jersey as well, and I've seen Democrats swoon over him.  And his tough-guy image will play well out on the trail, because they'll figure he'll be a tough guy with the Iranians and Chinese too.

    Underestimate him at your peril and start digging for dirt now.

  •  Christie doesn't have to tack too far right... (3+ / 0-)

    ...in fact, as it turns out one of Mitt Romney's worst mistakes was doing exactly that. Romney's use of the phrase "self-deportion" when talking about immigrations was one example of how he tried to tack way to the right.

    That effort at tacking right brought him little benefit in the primaries and haunted him during the general election campaign.

    My guess is that Christie knows that he doesn't really have to pander all that much to the right. He is, after all, pretty conservative already (the argument could easily be made that Christie is a lot more conservative of a governor than Mitt Romney ever was).

    What Christie needs most of all to become president, in my opinion, is to be sure he has more than just one major right-wing challenger in the primaries (and caucuses). As long as he has two or three challengers during the primary campaign, Christie can just follow Romney's playbook to the nomination...allowing people like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio to divvy up the right...enabling Christie to cruise to the nomination...much like Romney did.

    The worst scenario for Christie is for one of his right-wing opponents to become dominant in the primaries.

    •  Christie get's to dodge to big issues. (2+ / 0-)
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      Two years from now, when the campaigning begins, two major right-wing issues that Romney had to deal with in 2012 will be gone: Obamacare and gar marriage. The Affordable Care Act will bet settled law by then and talk of repeal will be dead. As for gay marriage, there will be a number of court cases all around the country over the next two years most of which will be decided in favor of gay rights. As a result, the religious conservatives will have to give up on the issue, thus allowing the GOP to quietly walk away from it. Why do you think the Governor was so quick to drop the case before the NJ Supreme Court? Because Christie and a lot of other establishment Republicans want the gay marriage issue to just go away.

      "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

      by Blue Silent Majority on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 12:14:19 PM PST

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  •  christie is a lying piece of shit (1+ / 0-)
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    If people don't get that by now then they really are blind.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 01:22:53 PM PST

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