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“We Are Living in the World Occupy Made”: New York City Voters Elect Mayor Who Vows to Tax the Rich

Who knew?!
New York Fed Chief Discovers the Glaringly Obvious!

The head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said Thursday that some of America’s largest financial institutions appear to lack respect for the law, a potentially explosive charge against an industry already roiling from numerous government investigations into alleged wrongdoing.

William Dudley, one of the nation’s top banking regulators whose organization helps oversee Wall Street banks including JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup, made the comment during a speech focused on the problems posed by banks perceived to be “too big to fail,” and possible solutions to correct them.

But in an abrupt turn, Dudley suggested that regulators may be stymied by "cultural" issues that have negatively affected the nation's biggest banks.

“Collectively, these enhancements to our current regime may not solve another important problem evident within some large financial institutions -- the apparent lack of respect for law, regulation and the public trust," he said.

“There is evidence of deep-seated cultural and ethical failures at many large financial institutions,” he continued. “Whether this is due to size and complexity, bad incentives, or some other issues is difficult to judge, but it is another critical problem that needs to be addressed.”

[See if you can spot the head of the New York Federal Reserve in this video:]

Who knew too?! This is presented as some kind of new idea by people who tried, to some extent, in their liberal gatekeeper land, to pretend Occupy or the Robin Hood movement didn't exist.

Obama Brags About Falling Deficit as Jobs Disappear and Public Investment Falls to Post-WWII Low

President Obama brags that the deficit is falling at the fastest rate in 60 years. It’s true, and it’s terrible news for the economy. As economist Dean Baker (who was a guest on Moyers & Company last week) put it, “celebrating the sharp drop in the deficit… is a bit like celebrating a sunny day in a region suffering from drought.” ...

So while the deficit is indeed shrinking fast, the CBO estimates that the austerity package known as “the sequester” will cost the American economy 1.6 million jobs through the end of next year. ...

The jobs we’re hemorrhaging due to spending cuts aren’t the whole story. According to a study by the conservative Peter G. Peterson Foundation, uncertainty resulting from lurching from one contrived fiscal “crisis” to another has cost the economy another 900,000 jobs since the tea partiers came roaring into Congress in 2010.

Hegemony Abroad Requires a Security State at Home

"There was medical experimentation that was very scary to be subjected to.”  And yet, hyperpartisans here throw fits when someone sarcastically gives a Nazi salute after the kos kops swarm their diary yet again, but do they throw fits about torture and "medical experimentation" perpetrated by the US military and intelligence machine under two administrations?  Do you ever see the same people here throwing fits about that?  Do you see people with noble tributes to the Constitution in their sig line throwing fits about the massive surveillance machine that is crushing that same Constitution? Do you see them throwing fits about "double tap" drone strikes where first responders are deliberately killed after they run out to help people injured in the first drone strike, something that is clearly defined as a war crime?  So do they ever throw dkos fits about that? We all know the answer to that. No, they don't throw fits about that. They throw fits about people who dissent or step over the line to call out whiffs of McCarthyism, fascism and right-wing authoritarianism on a blog. Because that is a much higher priority for the kos kops.  It's a high priority to single out specific users and troll them relentlessly. It's a priority to create new unwritten rules about very specific words, phrases, concepts, actions that are out of bounds and many times these are things that nobody in the real world has declared out of bounds.  The club rules turn the place into a mine field for new users or anyone unfamiliar with these unwritten rules.  And of course, they are not applied consistently. If the kos kops or their friends do things, that's okay but if someone they don't like does it, all hell breaks loose, if they feel like it.
Judge Demands US Gov't Hand Over Secret Docs Detailing Gitmo Torture

On Wednesday, a judge presiding over the trial of the five alleged 9/11 plotters currently held at Guantánamo Bay ordered the U.S. government to submit previously undisclosed Red Cross documents that detail the conditions of prisoners at the secretive military prison, referred to by a former detainee as "a black hole where supposedly no laws apply."  ...

Meanwhile, former Guantánamo detainee David Hicks, convicted of “providing material support to terrorism,” broke his gag order on Wednesday to speak out against the tortuous conditions he experienced in the six years he spent detained at the prison and to file an appeal against his former conviction with the help of the Center for Constitutional Rights in a bid to clear his name.

Hicks, an Australian native who was taken into custody by U.S. forces in Afghanistan and was one of the first detainees at Guantanamo, claims he was coerced into a plea deal under the impression that it was "the only way to get out of Guantánamo and escape the ongoing abuse and torture" there, CCR reports.

“That ranges from typical physical beatings to a whole range of psychological ploys," Hicks told RT in an interview this week. "There was medical experimentation that was very scary to be subjected to.”

“Myself and everyone else were tortured on a daily basis,” Hicks said.

Google engineer accuses NSA and GCHQ of subverting 'judicial process'

Anti-hacking expert claims British spy agency is 'even worse' than NSA for tapping private networks between Google's centres

A British engineer who works on anti-hacking systems at Google has furiously accused the UK and US spying agencies of "industrial scale subversion of the judicial process" by tapping the company's internal networks.

Mike Hearn, who says he worked for two years on the networks that replicate Google data between its different computing centres, says that "GCHQ [the British surveillance centre] turns out to be even worse than the NSA [the US National Security Agency]". He added that he joined an American colleague, Brandon Downey, "in issuing a giant fuck you to the people [at the NSA and GCHQ] who made these slides".

His complaint follows the revelation by the Washington Post of slides leaked by Edward Snowden which show that GCHQ tapped the private networks between Google's centres in order to monitor traffic.

Hearn, a senior engineer at Google since 2010, complains that "nobody at GCHQ or the NSA will ever stand before a judge and answer for this industrial-scale subversion of the judicial process".

The Washington Post slides show that GCHQ has been tapping into private optic fibre cables, which Google leases from Level 3 Communications to coordinate its data stores between Finland, Dublin and Belgium, in order to monitor traffic and extract data. Hearn says that one of the slides "shows a database recording a user login as part of this [anti-hacking] system" – itself prima facie evidence that the tapping occurred.

Westminster Whitewash: UK spy chiefs deny data harvesting, say Snowden aided Al-Qaida

FAA Releases Initial Plan on Increased Domestic Drone Use

The Federal Aviation Administration has released an initial plan for domestic drones to be used more widely by 2015. The rules require agencies that will oversee drone testing to release plans for privacy, but it does not lay out what the practices should be. In a statement, an American Civil Liberties Union legislative counsel called for "concrete restrictions on how data from drones can be used and how long it can be stored." According to the FAA, more than 80 law enforcement agencies are already authorized to use drones.

Obama apologizes to people who lost health insurance over Obamacare

President Barack Obama will apologize to individual health care buyers who have lost their insurance care policies after the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in footage released by NBC News on Thursday night.

“I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,” Obama told NBC correspondent Chuck Todd. ... The interview comes on the heels of NBC’s report that Obama’s administration knew the majority of individual buyers would lose their policies, despite his repeated assurances that they would be able to keep their plans.



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The battle between Eric Alterman and Max Blumenthal continues, with Rosie Gray of Buzzfeed doing her usual smear hit pieces, her specialty, whether they're full of lies or not, she has no slimy shame.

Why was the Secret Service making notes about Aaron's mental health?

More like "Unite Neoliberals"

WTF?  Or maybe Hagel's job is to try to calm down the IC since they are throwing fits about Obama not defending them.



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  •  Morning tune (12+ / 0-)

    Military Madness was killing my country edition

    PS I have a ticket to see him on Monday :-)

    "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

    by BOHICA on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:14:11 AM PST

  •  Bonus (12+ / 0-)

    Because of the lead in pics

    "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

    by BOHICA on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:16:51 AM PST

  •  Good Morning! (16+ / 0-)


    Ross Bay, Victoria BC

    Glen Greenwald will be interviewed on the CBC (Can. Broadcasting Corp) this am. I'll get a link to the podcast and post it tomorrow.

    To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:23:26 AM PST

  •  Site sure is slow this AM (10+ / 0-)

    "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

    by BOHICA on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:24:02 AM PST

    •  I was around for a bit in the late afternoon (9+ / 0-)

      or early evening yesterday but otherwise haven't been reading much here. Has it been slow in general?  Seemed like it picked up a bit during the elections.

      I notice that some other sites, and Twitter of course, have been really busy with lots and lots of comments.

      Last night I was looking around on Twitter later at night.  I had some grunt work to do for my client site so I was online.  There were some tweets from the editors at Vice.com.  Apparently the Syrian Electronic Army hacked them because they didn't like a story that they had published about them. It's gone now but I did see it.  I'm really suspicious about the supposed Syrian Electronic Army.  It just seems odd that our Cyber Command has been ramping up and our govt wanted to bomb Syria and then this high profile hacking group shows up.  As far as I know they never even put Arabic characters in their hacks, or at least I haven't seen it and they definitely didn't in the vice.com hack. The English was perfect.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:35:33 AM PST

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      •  I'm getting about 30+ megs download speed (9+ / 0-)

        And still takes forever to load some pages here. Other site load fine.

        "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

        by BOHICA on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:40:58 AM PST

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        •  I've been having (7+ / 0-)

          a lot of trouble with the dkos site for weeks.  I don't have the same problem with most others.


          "Justice is a commodity"

          by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:57:16 AM PST

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          •  Comcast signals went off/on this morning (3+ / 0-)
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            as they did sometime last week.  I was online w laptop plugged in (as always) and TV on in background.  Laptop squeaked and 'battery discharging' popped up; TV pictures disappeared by 'on' light still glowed.  TV struggled to regain picture  All of this in less than 30 seconds (by feel, not the clock).  Browser now said 'battery charged'.

            All that is just like last week, but today I did something different.  Before logging on to internet, I looked at the drop-down list of connections -- maybe 10-2 of them (because of that new 'hotspot' thing reported her recently).  After the on-off business, I checked again -- easily 2 dozen or more names, most of which I'd never seen before.

            Today, the off-on had taken me offline, so I logged back in with my same tabs open (didn't close/open the browser).  Pageload speed had been fine before, now it was slow.

            Since I got Comcast in March (no access before), slow pageload happens sometimes when I turn on the computer in the morning -- 7-day weather & dKos are impossibly slow.  When that happens, I go offline and re-start the machine, and speed is then okay.  I did that today, speed was okay.

            I am a non-geek, and have written this out in case it might help somebody problem-solve.

  •  Good morning all... (11+ / 0-)

    Off to my daughters to make homemade ravioli with the family.   Two grandsons are home from university to help, looking forward to seeing them.

    Enjoy the day.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:39:00 AM PST

    •  Have lots of fun (6+ / 0-)

      dkmich.  Well it didn't take you long to be out running around since you got the cast removed :)  Sounds like a really nice family day for you.  Yum on the homemade raviolis. I've never tried that.  I do make homemade lasagna with fresh ingredients from the Italian market in Philly sometimes.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:58:49 AM PST

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      •  Family recipe for the dough and the stuffing. (0+ / 0-)

        Would be happy to share.   We make homemade lasagna, but we don't make homemade pasta for lasagna - should give it try one day.    It was great to see my boys.  Will be doing brunch today before they get in their cars for the drive back to school.  

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

        by dkmich on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:24:36 AM PST

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  •  Mornin' Happenin' People (11+ / 0-)

    Something's off in this story about Top Naval Intelligence Officers Suspended in Bribery Scandal...

    Branch and Loveless are the most senior navy officials so far linked to a case involving Leonard Glenn Francis, whose company Glenn Defense Marine Asia helped arrange maintenance and resupply visits for navy ships to Asian ports.

    Francis, a Malaysian national, is accused of providing prostitutes, money, concert tickets and other gifts in exchange for sensitive and classified navy information, such as ship movements. He would use that information to arrange visits by US navy vessels to ports where his company had contracts.

    But...
    "There is no indication, nor do the allegations suggest, that in either case there was any breach of classified information," Rear Admiral John Kirby, the navy's chief of information, said in a statement.
  •  lots and lots on British spying result of Snowden (9+ / 0-)

    NSA files – reaction to spy chiefs' grilling – live
    • Welcome to our hub for all Edward Snowden, NSA and GCHQ-related developments around the world

    first time all 3 spy chiefs appeared in public

    asked softball questions

    claims that leaks aided terrorists

    links to lots of articles

    final day of Miranda hearing (greenwald's partner detained at airport under terrorism laws)

    Need someone else to follow up on this and post notes on the articles in this feed.

    •  Is it today (7+ / 0-)

      the last day of the Miranda hearing?

      I watched part of the three spy heads hearing. They sounded just like our officials.  9/11 Al Qaeda 9/11 Al Qaeda 9/11 Al Qaeda. You'd think that the twin towers had been in London or that the UK and US did a merger somewhere along the way and forgot to tell the people.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:03:20 AM PST

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    •  Guardian editor to go before Parliament (6+ / 0-)

      But not in a good way.  The meme being used is the old, 'Leaks have damaged national security, terrorists are changing the way the communicate'.

      http://www.theguardian.com/...

      Alan Rusbridger is to appear before the House of Commons home affairs select committee next month following warnings from British security chiefs that the [NSA/GCHQ] revelations were damaging national security.

      [...]

      The heads MI6, MI5 and GCHQ claim terrorist groups are changing their operations  . . ..

      [...]

      [Rusbridger has been asked --]

       to "acknowledge the devastating assessment" made by the spymasters of the impact of the leaks.

      whether he had "acted on every security concern raised by government"

       to confirm whether anyone at the Guardian had "directed, permitted, facilitated or acquiesced" in the transfer of the files obtained by Snowden to anyone in the US or elsewhere.

      I'm sure Rusbridger will handle this with his usual gravitas and aplomb.  IMO, Rusbridger is being made into the poster boy/whipping boy to raise the stakes of intimidation of the press, and UK law allows this to happen.  (Wonder what Greenwald will have to say?  When does that new media venture get off the ground?)
      •  Terrorists are changing the way (7+ / 0-)

        they communicate -- Greenwald ridicules this argument frequently.

        Doesn't anyone remember the stories about al Qaeda early on, after 9/11, about how they use couriers and ancient ways of moving money and messages?  Is that all out of date now?  Or are they talking about other terrorists?

        And the thing that gets me is that they are rarely required to prove these claims. They can hide behind the secrecy and say that we'll just have to trust them because they can't reveal the evidence.

        When Keith Alexander was called on his claims of attacks thwarted, only one or two of his claims panned out.  I wonder if the British Parliament will call out their spymasters' claims.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:21:20 AM PST

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        •  UK's 'state secret' laws and culture are so (3+ / 0-)
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          different than ours, it's hard to know.  Even here, with First Amendment  and protections on Congressional speech, Udall & Wyden could only hint for years, until Snowden.  US can't very well put WaPo or NYT editors on the line this way (yet!), and Guardian was/is the high-profile leader in this reporting -- and they were supporting Miranda.  So Guardian/Rusbridger (whose behavior has been impeccable throughout) have been chosen as the main exhibit for this 'show trial'.  If UK govt can get negative consequences for either/both, this could be used as 'precedent' by US to further repress press freedoms ('under color of law').  Even if no negative consequences (ie, reporting on NSA/GHCQ continues unimpeded), the State will have flexed its muscles and strengthened its message of intimidation.

           For instance, that lase question to Rusbridger, about 'did you/paper help transfer Snowden files?' is like one of the 'terrorism' charges used to detain Miranda.  Even asking that question is a kind of entrapment, like when reporters asked Greenwald if he was 'aiding and abetting'.  With no Fifth Amendment, Rusbridger may be legally required to answer, and his answers might lay him open to legal charges, or at least to 'stern statements' and character assassination.

          I'm not pretending to know of understand UK law in this -- just speculating about how the UK might play this game.

  •  Good morning all you good people... (10+ / 0-)

    great compilation Joanne.

    I am now thoroughly convinced that the google barges are their way to circumvent the out-of-control espionage complex.  They know the value of their data and they intend to keep it.  Makes you wonder what they are concerned about other than peoples private information....do they suspect that the NSA and Brits are using the data for corporate espionage?  Their is a money angle in their somewhere...that's were everything always leads, to the money.

    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

    by kharma on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:01:32 AM PST

    •  They should be worried (8+ / 0-)

      I thought the barges were going to be used for some kind of big events or trade show things?  It's an interesting thought though, especially now.  

      It would not surprise me at all if Google decided to move most of their operations out of the US.  Good job intelligence community nutjobs and admins and intel committees who enable them.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:05:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  It fits.... (3+ / 0-)
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        floating so therefore no landlines to tap into.  It is one huge Faraday cage prohibiting eavesdropping via remote electronics.  They can transmit to their satellites or land towers with heavy encryption.  Any internal un-encrypted communication is safe, and outside communication takes place after encryption.

        If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

        by kharma on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:38:53 AM PST

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  •  As someone noted in one of my last posts... (12+ / 0-)

    ....This place has gone from "Crashing the Gates" to "Polishing the Gates." A full-fledged, 180-degree embrace of the status quo, at a crossroads in history, no less. The smug hubris is off the charts.

    Checkout the two top pieces from Moyers, last night...

    "How Big Money & Big Media Undermine Democracy"

    "‘Dollarocracy’: How Special Interests Undermine Our Democracy"

    "Heidi Boghosian On Spying and Civil Liberties"

    ...totally nails McAuliffe's hypocrisies and those that support him...then proceeds to calmly layout (via Heidi Boghosian) how twisted the narrative is on the NSA story.

    EXCELLENT callout here, Joanne...

    "There was medical experimentation that was very scary to be subjected to.”  And yet, hyperpartisans here throw fits when someone sarcastically gives a Nazi salute after the kos kops swarm their diary yet again, but do they throw fits about torture and "medical experimentation" perpetrated by the US military and intelligence machine under two administrations?  Do you ever see the same people here throwing fits about that?  Do you see people with noble tributes to the Constitution in their sig line throwing fits about the massive surveillance machine that is crushing that same Constitution? Do you see them throwing fits about "double tap" drone strikes where first responders are deliberately killed after they run out to help people injured in the first drone strike, something that is clearly defined as a war crime?  So do they ever throw dkos fits about that? We all know the answer to that. No, they don't throw fits about that. They throw fits about people who dissent or step over the line to call out whiffs of McCarthyism, fascism and right-wing authoritarianism on a blog. Because that is a much higher priority for the kos kops.  It's a high priority to single out specific users and troll them relentlessly. It's a priority to create new unwritten rules about very specific words, phrases, concepts, actions that are out of bounds and many times these are things that nobody in the real world has declared out of bounds.  The club rules turn the place into a mine field for new users or anyone unfamiliar with these unwritten rules.  And of course, they are not applied consistently. If the kos kops or their friends do things, that's okay but if someone they don't like does it, all hell breaks loose, if they feel like it.
    I really don't think folks realize how critical Moyers is to "the conversation" right now! Thank god he's still around!

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:17:19 AM PST

    •  Morning, bob (8+ / 0-)

      and thanks for the Moyers links.  Yeah, there's so my hypocrisy that I really think we need a new set of words to capture and describe it.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:24:40 AM PST

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      •  The VERY biggest hypocrisy at Daily Kos is... (7+ / 0-)

        ...the concept that the community's free to drive the conversation....when the reality is that the site's management strongly supports certain positions while it goes out of its way to put a damper on other positions that large portions of this community support.

        To downplay what's happening in our economy--if not to outright support propaganda that attempts to tell us otherwise--and, to not "give two shits" about freedom-of-the-press (and that is what the NSA story's about) is, and to call for support of McAuliffe to the point of bogusly labelling his political positions as "muscular liberalism" are downright pathetic.

        There's a credibility issue that's slowly manifesting itself around here...moreso than normal...to the point where hyperpartisanship's being spun into the stratosphere.

        I'm thinking of marketing monogrammed, Daily Kos kneepads..."for those that want to fellate the Democratic status quo in style!"

        "Better corporatists!" "Muscular neoliberalism!"

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:35:32 AM PST

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        •  Is it more hypocrisy, or things been much worse? (7+ / 0-)

          the Ted Rall back and forth the last couple of days has been another example of the Kos Kops going for the jugular to get Rall banned again from DK.

          They pulled up the 2002 cartoon about 9-11 widows and pissed Ted off and he made a comment which led to a diary about Nazi language here on the site

          The fact that he was back was a good sign.

          The dialogue with a noted person was also interesting to see the content of his remarks vs. the fluff and use of code words to justify banning someone on the site.

          Here is Ted's home page

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          he just joined again in Oct 2013 and has had several posts here. I had seen a few but didn't get involved until they started trying to get him off the site.

          So a couple more thoughts on Kos Kops:

          1. situation much worse - constitution under attack, environment, economy, etc.

          2. they could be getting desperate to keep up support of the democratic party as the legislature has lowest positive ratings in history

          3. they have a need to make politics be what the politicians say it is and the back and forth between the parties. The areas agreement like military, NSA, cutting SS, etc., they don't want to talk about

          4. they might be practicing for election time

          Another topic - NPR on the VA gov race and the millions of donations from Bloomberg and a billionaire. As I recall on the order of $2 to $2 million, but bigger than the Repub candidate got. NPR said that these were liberals???? Bloomberg a liberal??? One of the recent diaries by Ted Rall which did not have a cartoon was new ways of propaganda.

          Coverage of the anti-NSA Protest is an Example of a New Way to Disseminate Government BS

    •  Busy... (0+ / 0-)

          short version: I'm a n00b, how to blog, who knows?
          I recently read that when DKOS debuted it was feted all over mainstream news. I thought. "Oh, that's it."
          There are some members here, example now, Fukushima, who are trying to rewrite HISTORY. I think they try it here, first. It's bizarre.
          Anyway it would be nice if along with HR's, DKOS had simple RW's, = "rewrite history" that had no hide effect or penalty. Just the convenience of this member thinks you are doing a rewrite of history attempt. Wouldn't have to defend it unless you wanted. Be interesting to see how many RW's were given. Might discourage them.
          Honestly, they think we don't remember Chernobyl or all the lessons about Hiroshima. This being just one example.
          I'd like to put in a comment. "So in your expert analysis, what would happen if a big typhoon, hit Fukushima?" Dispersion, thatsa allsa rightsa?

      March AGAINST monsatanOHagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

      by 3rock on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:42:54 PM PST

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  •  Re: the kos kops (6+ / 0-)

    Think of it as opportunity, Joanne. My guess is that at least some of the people you think of as kos kops are people in (or dependent for their livelihood on) the security state who don't really understand how dangerous what they are doing is.

    I try to take the point of view that I think they would take if they were self-aware, namely that we want the United States to be strong, but only to the extent that it is just and compassionate. On that, we could all agree. And so I point out how the national security state actually weakens the US. The NSA is a classic. It consumes tens of billions of dollars, but cannot show how it has disrupted more than a couple of plots directed against the US. Could that money have been better spent on human intelligence gathering, on improving that embarrassment known  as the State Dept, or on genuine aid to places that breed terrorism?

    All of us ought to agree that we oppose corruption, waste, ineffective intelligence gathering, and so on. If we start from that premise, then discussions with people in or dependent for their livelihoods on the security state could lead to very positive results.

    Maybe even the next Snowden.

  •  Morning. I'm all for taxing the rich - tax the (4+ / 0-)

    rich, feed the poor, til there are no rich no more.  That's the key, "til there are no rich no more."  IOW, we can  tax their trades and their derivatives and whatnot, but they're still going to be stealing money from the rest of us thru a gambling casino, an unnatural act that contributes nothing to mankind.  If nothing is done about how these people "make" their money and acquire their assets, then they'll just keep on doing it and the higher taxes won't translate to anything for the rest of us. They know how to hide their money so it's not taxed.  So ya, tax the rich by all means, but also stop the gambling casino and other destructive methods that the rich are getting more rich by.  Abolish Wall Street and enact public banking.

    "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:47:53 AM PST

  •  New study challenges EU parliament re: spying (5+ / 0-)

    I found this very heartening, reminding me that the WHOLE world is watching the surveillance state.  Please read it!

    Here's the study itself --

    http://www.ceps.eu/...

    And here's the Guardian's coverage --

    http://www.theguardian.com/...

    [The study's authors ) said the US National Security Agency (NSA), the UK's GCHQ and equivalent bodies in France, Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden had breached basic articles of the EU treaty, such as article 4.3 on "sincere co-operation", as well as privacy clauses in the EU charter of fundamental values and in the European charter of fundamental rights.

    They also noted that EU agencies such as the joint police body, Europol, and the EU foreign service's intelligence-sharing branch, IntCen, were in all likelihood using data "stolen" from European citizens.

    [...]

    [The authors:]

     urged MEPs to use "all the powers at their disposal" to break the wall of silence

    said the EU parliament should threaten to block an EU-US free trade agreement [absent full disclosures of surveillance practices]

    MEPs should push EU countries to draft a "professional code for the transnational management of data".

     called for new EU laws to stop internet companies giving information to intelligence services, to protect whistleblowers such as the NSA leaker Edward Snowden, and to form a permanent oversight body on intelligence matters.

  •  Hi Joanne... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TheMomCat, Don midwest, suka, gulfgal98

    I hope you've been well.

    This is it:

    There was medical experimentation that was very scary to be subjected to.” And yet, hyperpartisans here throw fits when someone sarcastically gives a Nazi salute after the kos kops swarm their diary yet again, but do they throw fits about torture and "medical experimentation" perpetrated by the US military and intelligence machine under two administrations? Do you ever see the same people here throwing fits about that? Do you see people with noble tributes to the Constitution in their sig line throwing fits about the massive surveillance machine that is crushing that same Constitution? Do you see them throwing fits about "double tap" drone strikes where first responders are deliberately killed after they run out to help people injured in the first drone strike, something that is clearly defined as a war crime? So do they ever throw dkos fits about that? We all know the answer to that. No, they don't throw fits about that. They throw fits about people who dissent or step over the line to call out whiffs of McCarthyism, fascism and right-wing authoritarianism on a blog. Because that is a much higher priority for the kos kops. It's a high priority to single out specific users and troll them relentlessly. It's a priority to create new unwritten rules about very specific words, phrases, concepts, actions that are out of bounds and many times these are things that nobody in the real world has declared out of bounds. The club rules turn the place into a mine field for new users or anyone unfamiliar with these unwritten rules. And of course, they are not applied consistently. If the kos kops or their friends do things, that's okay but if someone they don't like does it, all hell breaks loose, if they feel like it.
    Every Kos Kop should read it. Not that it would get through to them. Self-awareness isn't their strong suit, unfortunately.

    It's a behavior that I find nearly impossible to let go unchallenged. It isn't the best use of one's time, but counterbalance is necessary.

    When called-out, they have little more than ad hominem to offer in rebuttal. Typical of those who've lost the argument and don't like their actions exposed.

    Thanks for the diary, and the above blockquoted part in particular. I hope you don't mind if I give in to the temptation of reproducing parts of it on occasion, as necessary. ;)




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 12:00:49 PM PST

    •  Since you saw fit to post this in a reply to me in (0+ / 0-)

      another thread where I responded, it seems only fair that I post that response here.

      What's equally clear is the above is little more than a thinly veiled effort to assert a sort of political litmus test for "acceptable" criticism. Evidently, unless someone toes the line on a series of issues to your and Joanneleon's satisfaction, they have no right to object to insinuations of Nazism in debate. This is nothing more than an invitation to impose a sectarian agenda on free, democratic discussion and debate. If successful, it would result in reducing this site to the status of a political echo chamber, a result that some claim to oppose even as they demand conformity with their own views as the price of legitimacy.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 12:03:50 PM PST

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