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  •  Where's the diary? (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Rape culture Documentary (0+ / 0-)

      watch the video ... that is my diary for now

      •  mixed feelings (0+ / 0-)

        the film actually starts out pretty interesting.

        But when they zoom in on porn, it pretty quickly becomes obvious that they don't know what they are talking about and that they are badly fudging their numbers.

        They start with claiming that the term "gonzo" in general stands for things like jackass(it doesn't) - and then  proceed to (mis)define gonzo porn that way.  From there they spin a tale that there is "hate" porn (there is) which means that gonzo porn is hate porn (complete nonsense) which means that there are thousands of sites of hate porn.

        And for good measure they then mess the whole s/m porn scene into "hate porn".

        Reality is that gonzo porn is basically porn that purposefully (or not) ignores traditional production values in search of authenticity (or just a fast buck). Its basically the "one or two guys with a camera and no script" type of porn. Many people like that, I personally think it's mostly an excuse to deliver a cheap product.

        Now there definitely are "hate porn" (aka misgynistic porn)  sites that operate that way - as well as there are ones that do traditional big set full script based kind of productions.  But they number in dozens, not thousands, as the film claims. And I seriously doubt that their audience is millions and millions of Americans.

        And, basically, around that argument the film completely looses credibility.  And in the later part it doesn't gain any backl - its mostly an off narrator combining seemingly random statistics with an equally random collage of images from films and tv.

        Nice try, but no cigar.

  •  I did indeed watch this video--thanks. (0+ / 0-)

    I'd say lots of the information wasn't new, but the size, lucrativeness, and influence of the porn industry, in the age of the internet, was certainly eye-opening.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 09:18:39 PM PST

    •  it was also factually wrong. (0+ / 0-)

      The film is weakest around its excursion on porn. As I explained above, most of what they say there is simply not true.

      •  Why focus on the Porn? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't understand why the over riding message is lost because of the debatable segment on porn. Maybe you could enlighten me?

        Native American from Upper MI

        by Aaniin on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 08:08:55 PM PST

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        •  how credible is a witness (0+ / 0-)

          who lied to you yesterday?

          If they are grossly distorting the picture here, how likely is it that they are grossly distorting the picture in other parts, too?

          Credibility is the core of messaging.

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