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U.S. President Barack Obama delivers remarks alongside Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius (R) and other Americans the White House says will benefit from the opening of health insurance marketplaces under the Affordable Care Act, in the Rose Garden
Despite the bad website roll-out, despite the controversy over the small percentage of the population getting a huge proportion of media attention for losing their current policies, despite the hyperactive media equating all this to Katrina, the American people are not abandoning support for Obamacare in any significant numbers.
Forty-one percent of Americans expressed support for the 2010 law popularly known as Obamacare in a survey conducted from Thursday to Monday. That was down 3 percentage points from a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken from September 27 to October 1.

Opposition to the healthcare law stood at 59 percent in the latest poll, versus 56 percent in the earlier survey.

There has been some shift ... but the shift has been small," said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson.

That's pretty much where numbers have been for years. People have made up their minds about the law and are sticking with their opinions. Reuters/Ipsos didn't directly ask about repeal, but 65 percent of respondents said they'd support some changes to the law. They also found that some "elements of the law, such as requiring insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, remain popular," making repeal—still—politically problematic for Republicans.

Another poll released today, from  United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll, finds that most Americans do oppose repeal, essentially the same numbers as they polled during the summer.

Thirty-eight percent of those polled said Congress should "repeal the law so it is not implemented at all," while 35 percent said lawmakers should "wait and see how things go before making any changes." Another 23 percent said Congress should "provide more money to ensure it is implemented effectively" (the remaining 5 percent had no opinion).
That's 58 percent of the public wanting Obamacare to have a chance to work. Back in July, the same poll found that 36 percent supported repeal, 30 percent wanted to give it time, and 27 percent said it should have more funding for implementation. That's where the public is, no matter how much the Republicans and the traditional media want to make them panic.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:34 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (29+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:34:50 AM PST

  •  I dunno (12+ / 0-)

    bragging that 60% oppose ACA does not make a great deal of sense to me.

    I'm for arguing to mend it, don't end it instead.

    •  At least 10% of that opposition is from the left (11+ / 0-)

      You know the ones that think that the ACA doesn't go far enough and/or relies too much on the private insurance market.

      I think you'd find that the people who want the ACA or Single Payer would top 50%.

      I agree with President Obama, our country's journey is not yet complete. We must continue the work that our forebearers at Seneca Falls started, and put the Equal Rights Amendment into our Constitution.

      by pistolSO on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:46:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Don't fall into the going along with shitty (6+ / 0-)

      polling and shitty reporting trap.

      Those who support it combined with those who think it doesn't go far enough are a larger group than those who want to get rid of it and go back to what we had before.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:57:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Getting rid of it is not an issue (4+ / 0-)

        as long as Obama is President.

        Don;t fall into the trap of thinking mending ACA is not feasible or the right thing to do.

        •  Not under the current political environment. (2+ / 0-)
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          We'll see what 2014 brings.

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          by Mr MadAsHell on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:16:29 AM PST

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        •  Can it be mended in a way that will gain public (1+ / 0-)
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          support?

          WaPo/ABC  also has a poll out today, and it shows a significant loss of support for ACA among young people.  That makes a certain sense as young and healthy people are the ones expected to bear the burden of making insurance/payment (not care -- this doesn't touch care)  more affordable for the older and less healthy.

          The current model requires those people to participate, and I don't see how it works otherwise.

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          by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:22:15 AM PST

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          •  BINGO...you hit the nail on the head... (1+ / 0-)
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            Get the support of young people and that 59% shrinks considerably.

            Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

            by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:31:52 AM PST

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          •  the young people along with everyone else (0+ / 0-)

            have been hearing a lot of propaganda and false information promoted by the Repubs and the MSM, along with miserable people such as yourself who for some reason have a desire to see the ACA fail.  
            Things will turn around, and already are, once everyone realizes that all the negative bullshit was just that.  

            •  In the end, what will matter is how much they (1+ / 0-)
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              are hit in the pocket and what they perceive the value of that hit to be.

              No amount of propaganda on either side will change that.

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              by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:47:49 AM PST

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          •  Interesting numbers from WaPo/ABC (2+ / 0-)
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            Q: Barack Obama said in the past that people who have health insurance can keep their policies. That's not the case for people whose policies don't meet the law's minimum coverage standards. Do you think Obama (told the American public what he believed to be true) or (intentionally misled the American public)?

            Obama told the American public what he believed to be true - 52 percent
            Obama intentionally misled the American public - 44 percent

            Democrat 81/16
            Republican 24/71
            Independent 49/48

            18-39 52/44
            40-64 53/43
            65+ 50/45

            Q: Do you think the federal government can recover from its problems implementing the new health care law and get it working successfully, or do you think these problems are an indication that the law is unworkable?

            Government can recover - 49 percent
            Law is unworkable - 49 percent

            Democrat 86/12
            Republican 16/83
            Independent 42/55

            18-39 56/43
            40-64 47/51
            65+ 42/54

            Clues about the make up of this sample:

            By 45 percent to 43 percent, respondents say Obama is "too liberal" vs. "just about right."

            By 46 percent to 41 percent, respondents say the Democratic Party is "too liberal" vs. "just about right."

            "Too conservative" - 9 percent for Obama and 10 percent for Democrats.

            By 43 percent to 36 percent, respondents say the Reupblican Party is "too conservative" vs. "just about right."

            17 percent said Republicans are "too liberal."

            If the election were held today:

            Obama 47 percent
            Romney 47 percent.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    •  EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read the diary (1+ / 0-)
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      We're hanging our collective hat on the fact that opposition "only" rose from 56% to 59%?

      Any higher than that, and we're getting into 2/3 majority opposition to the law...which usually means curtains for said law shortly thereafter.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:28:13 AM PST

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    •  Troublemaker (1+ / 0-)
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      Yeah, it's still more unpopular that popular, but that's been true for the whole life of the thing. What R/I polling doesn't ask, and i'd be curious to see, is the "opposed because it doesn't go far enough" number, which only Kaiser regularly asks.

      Anyway, all the mess hasn't driven people away in droves. That's the takeaway.

      Your prescription is a good one, if there was a House of Representatives wiling to work on "mending." I think it's something Dems could campaign on, though, but I also think they need to stanch the bleeding a little bit before moving on to that.

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      by Joan McCarter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:55:03 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Trying to make lemonade out of lemons? (7+ / 0-)

    59% opposition is still pretty bad.  In fact, it's higher than Rasmussen.

    The ABC/WPost 43-55 split is not as bad.

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    by Paleo on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:44:00 AM PST

    •  Guessing about 10% of the GDP is being dedicated (2+ / 0-)
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      to trashing the ACA.....still it floats.....;-)

    •  millions of people receiving hc coverage (0+ / 0-)

      pretty damn good lemonade for most people other than miserable haters such as yourself.  
      We get it, you hate the law, you don't need to take a dump on every thread to remind us of that.  Join dinotrac and start your own ACAsux website already.  

      •  you need to stop making personal attacks (1+ / 0-)
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        by greenbastard on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:43:34 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  You mean interpretations like this one? (0+ / 0-)
          WaPo/ABC  also has a poll out today, and it shows a significant loss of support for ACA among young people.  That makes a certain sense as young and healthy people are the ones expected to bear the burden of making insurance/payment (not care -- this doesn't touch care)  more affordable for the older and less healthy.

          The current model requires those people to participate, and I don't see how it works otherwise.

          This from dinotrac seems to me reasonable, measured, and merely interpretive — based on the "facts" of a poll, for God's sakes. And he's absolutely correct, whether you love the law, or think it needs upgrading, or hate it — if young people don't support it and participate, it is not going to work. That's not a Fox News fact, that's just reality. If we all think everything our side does is perfect and everything the other side does is 100% wrong, we might as well have the civil war now. That's Tea Party thinking, and they're on the losing end of history... Besides, had all of the states taken the Obamacare money, there would be no controversy now, except for Fox News/Tea Party false claims. It's too bad we've given them ammunition, but I don't hear dinotrac or anybody else saying oh well, let the stupid lying babies get their way. We're stuck with a mediocre fix and a bad rollout, but it's still twice as good as what we started with. Stay the course.

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          by Mike732 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 10:56:42 AM PST

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  •  What i'd like to know is what % of the (11+ / 0-)

    uninsured/underinsured support/oppose the ACA.

    Whether someone like me (continuous and high quality employment based coverage since forever) likes it or not really doesn't matter so much.

    •  Yesterday, I heard an immigrant hairdresser (8+ / 0-)

      explain in very broken English to her fellow hairdressers that "Obamacare" (as she called it) is changing insurance and Medicaid requirements.  She was very supportive and knew the details.

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:56:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Good point. (5+ / 0-)

      The high earners with good jobs and insurance have no horse in the race.

      Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

      by DRo on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:01:27 AM PST

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      •  Of course they do. (1+ / 0-)
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        Those subsidies have to be paid from somewhere.

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        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:23:23 AM PST

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        •  They've been paying (5+ / 0-)

          for the uninsured to go to ERs.  Will they be open to change their opinion the same as someone with a prior illness who can now get insurance?

          Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

          by DRo on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:29:00 AM PST

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          •  Let's see how that plays out. (1+ / 0-)
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            I would be surprised if the savings from not treating people in emergency rooms for highly overpriced comes anywhere close to the cost of subsidies, especially once employers start cutting back on health care benefits.

            I could, of course, be wrong.
            This is one of those times where it would be very nice to be very wrong.

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            by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:50:41 AM PST

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            •  This is exactly what the Admin needed to show (1+ / 0-)
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              What is the average $ amount each taxpayer is paying with the old system to make ER visits for the uninsured happen and the $ increase and for X% of taxpayers (mostly young I would think) with ACA. Finally, this versus the # of newly insured.

              Lots of back work needed but simple one slide with large numbers

              Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it

              by browneverywhere on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:15:27 AM PST

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              •  You're right about the presentation. (0+ / 0-)

                I have no idea how much work would be involved to find the numbers.  

                There is another  potential for big savings, and I don't know if ACA hits it at all.

                Doctor's offices pay a hefty pile of money to navigate their patients' insurance.  If ACA makes that process easier (read cheaper) there is potential for costs to go down and insurance rates with them.  I know my old doctor gave us a very noticable discount for using cash.

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                by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:28:12 AM PST

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        •  A healthier population can easily afford the (3+ / 0-)
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          subsidy. Less expensive than a sick population.

          Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

          by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:31:58 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  A specific group within that healthier population. (0+ / 0-)

            What would really help is a healthier economy that produced more and better jobs so that the young people who are bearing the extra cost feel sufficiently prosperous and secure that the cost is seen as no burden.

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            by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:52:14 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  The major portion of the population is healthy. (0+ / 0-)

              That is why insurance works at all. What has happened is that insurance got too greedy.

              Young people take way more risks than old people. They need insurance just as much for different reasons. True they feel invincible, but also true they sign each other's casts.

              Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

              by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:10:06 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  The subsidies depend on them to change their (0+ / 0-)

                behavior by buying insurance they didn't buy before, even with higher prices.  That's the tricky part.  Might be an easier sell as the penalty for not buying insurance goes up.

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                by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:25:49 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Maybe not let them play in sports leagues unless (0+ / 0-)

                  they can show proof of insurance, no tickets to the ski lift unless they can show proof of insurance. Etc. Especially for the 28-45 yo's who think they are still teenagers.

                  These people have small children. They need to grow up.

                  Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

                  by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:32:40 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  This would be too mean. Charge them a surtax on (0+ / 0-)

                  all sports equipment unless they can show proof of insurance. That way they would pay their own way at the ER where they go to get patched up.

                  Want to get a rock climbing permit, proof of insurance please.

                  Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

                  by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:38:02 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

        •  fairly basic insurance concept (1+ / 0-)
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          although now the conservatives and teabaggers seem to have turned against the concept of insurance altogether.

    •  My son, currently on my policy, (4+ / 0-)
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      is very happy he won't have to worry about insurance when he turns 26 (he's almost 22).

      Which means I have a dog in this hunt too.

      The most violent element in society is ignorance.

      by Mr MadAsHell on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:18:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Rich people's ObamACAre. (1+ / 0-)
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         End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination:
          End to Limits on Care:
          End to Coverage Cancellations:
          Value for Your Premium Dollar:
          Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases:
          Small Business Tax Credits:
          Keep children on parent's policy till 26.

      Not until you get a pre-existing condidion, then you are frozen in place, you can't start that business or that new job. Or your care goes beyond what the high quality insurance wants to pay then you are bankrupt or dead, or you made a mistake in your application and your insurance gets canceled when you are sick, or your policy cost goes up faster and faster till it goes beyond what you can afford, or most of your premium is profit, or you have a small business and want to insure your employees. Or you want to insure your kids while they are in college.

      Rich people don't have those problems.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:03:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The GOP already misread polls like these (9+ / 0-)

    to think they could win on shutting the government to force repeal.  Part of that disapproval number comes from Democrats who want medicare for all.  We see a lot of those posts on this site.  

    The way I read these polls is that if the Administration is able to get the enrollment process working and the law doesn't feel like an imposition to the majority of people who are basically unaffected in any negative sense, then things will be ok and maybe even turn net positive.

    The problem with the manufactured scandal over the 3 percenters is that it made people feel like the law was going to do impose burdens on them that they neither asked for nor wanted. We all know the reality is that it won't do either but only time will tell.  That's why the President's stance last week was so critical.

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    by khyber900 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:49:50 AM PST

    •  The seems unduly rosy to me (3+ / 0-)
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      But ACA is not changing through 2016 so time will tell.

      •  An interesting statement, "not changing" (0+ / 0-)

        In two ways:

        It's been changing constantly in the short-terms as exceptions and extensions have been granted.

        But -- it's got some acknowledged problems such as the taxation of non-profit union coverage plans that scream for change but haven't (yet?) been addressed.

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        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:25:48 AM PST

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    •  What to do about the cancelled policies (2+ / 0-)
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      goes back to the states, despite what Obama said last week. Washington, Vermont, and Minnesota have rejected the extension. The leader of the California exchange opposes the extension because of the effect on premiums for 2015 if too many healthy people are not in the pool. However, the California Insurance Commissioner supports it and has long criticized the exchange for its Dec. 31 cancellation policy, so there may be at least a two-month extension compromise later this week. Link

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:06:53 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  here's another poll (4+ / 0-)
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    "Opposition to the new health-care law also hit a record high in the survey, with 57 percent saying they oppose the president’s most significant domestic initiative. Forty-six percent say they are strongly against it. Just a month ago, as the enrollment period was beginning, the public was almost evenly divided in its assessments of the law."

    Support is 40%, opposition is 57%. That is easily the largest spread in the 5 years of poll history.

  •  ACA Rollout (6+ / 0-)

    It is now just coming out that several right wing groups have been initiating Denial Of Service (DoS) attacks on the Healthcare.com  website. There have been 16 known attacks as per the Daily Kos report, but no one is picking up on this deliberate effort  to turn health care back into the hands of the insurance industry, where the 'death panels' have always existed.  

    •  I would also like to see the numbers of Yahoo (0+ / 0-)

      commenters over the same period of time. I think there might be a correlation. I think there have been some busy bloody fingers.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:26:37 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Denial of Service attacks are a fact of life for (2+ / 0-)
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      large websites.

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      by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:26:41 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  and apparently the DoS attacks have been (1+ / 0-)
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        rather unsophisticated. Apparently, the little stress testing they did do on the site before rollout indicated that it would crash with as few as 20 simultaneous connections. The problems are/were not due to DoS attacks.

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        by sneakers563 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:34:09 AM PST

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  •  I've always thought the law was problematic. (3+ / 0-)
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    Medicare for all would be so much better.  However, we cannot go back.  State uninsurable programs have been cancelled because insurance can no longer be denied for preexisting conditions, and those people now in the ACA program would have nowhere to go if the law were repealed.  People too poor to afford those state programs (and they were expensive) are now going to be covered for the first time.  People are going to be on Medicaid when they were never covered before.  There would be hell to pay if their new coverage were cancelled.

    We cannot go back.  The change has already happened.  

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    by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:17:36 AM PST

  •  We have metrics they have hyperbole nt (0+ / 0-)

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    by JML9999 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:23:00 AM PST

    •  6 in 10 Americans opposing the ACA... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...is us having the metrics?

      Seems to me that you have those dynamics turned around. Our side is shrilly defending this law, while a solid majority continues to oppose it.

      59% opposition to the law means we need to investigate some fixes that are clearly needed in the eyes of the American public.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:30:37 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Six Sexy things about ObamACAre (2+ / 0-)
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       End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination:
        End to Limits on Care:
        End to Coverage Cancellations:
        Value for Your Premium Dollar:
        Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases:
        Small Business Tax Credits:

    And the sky did not fall.

    Republicans always complain about sexy things and the sky not falling.

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:23:45 AM PST

  •  They're probably using the Quinnipiac poll #'s (1+ / 0-)
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    Quinnipiac’s numbers on Obamacare were also exactly the same as their numbers on Obama: 49 percent favored the health-care legislation, 55 percent were opposed. Moreover, a near majority — 46 percent — said the president knowingly deceived them when he assured Americans over and over that they could keep their health-insurance plans.

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    by SpamNunn on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:25:01 AM PST

    •  sorry if you lost your junk insurance (0+ / 0-)

      but let's face it, you don't like the law and you're gonna find something to bitch and moan about no matter what.
      Paleo and dinotrac want you to join their ACAsux website.

      •  but hey, you're right it's all Obama's fault (0+ / 0-)

        he seems to regularly overestimate the intelligence of a certain segment of the American public, like when he assumed that people paying for worthless insurance wouldn't actually want to keep it.  

      •  How very sympathetic of you... (0+ / 0-)

        You lost your insurance, but oh well...f**k you...I got mine.

        Nice.

        Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

        by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:50:57 AM PST

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        •  This only matters if you care what the (0+ / 0-)

          polled members of the public think.   If you don't, it shouldn't bother you.  I am sure that this will have blown over by the mid-term election.  Aren't you?  

          I did not lose any coverage.  I am not angry about losing bad insurance.  What I am angry about is the prospect of being surcharged for offering my employees good insurance.    I would have preferred an honest request to simply pay more taxes to fund coverage for that percentage of those citizens of the United States who are unable to afford basic health care coverage.  

          Unwitting privileged genetic lottery winner and economic engine

          by SpamNunn on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 10:47:45 AM PST

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          •  No, I am NOT sure this will have blown over... (0+ / 0-)

            ...by the midterm election. My fear is that this is only the beginning of the turmoil resulting from this law, which has produced little more than headaches for a great many people.

            But then again, I was a public-option supporter and remain so. I have thought this integration of public/private interests was doomed to fail from the start, but what do I know?

            Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

            by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 11:12:00 AM PST

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  •  As usual, the opposition is to Obamacare (3+ / 0-)
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    Read that as you will, but when the actual components of the Affordable Care Act are presented to people, support increases substantially.

    I think part of it is also ossification of public thinking. It used to be, not so very long ago, that if you changed insurance plans, you had to adjust to new deductibles, payout caps, and waiting periods for treatment of pre-existing conditions. While deductibles will almost certainly change (sometimes even for the better), lifetime caps on benefits and denials for pre-existing conditions are totally off the table anymore. I don't think the public has quite grasped that yet.

    •  there is probably more (0+ / 0-)

      support for a concept than for an actual program. Concepts don't have to be paid for by your tax dollars.

      •  And, since the PPACA saves money (0+ / 0-)

        It has the added advantage of requiring fewer tax dollars than the horrible system it's replacing.

        I'm sure the popular media is just putting the finishing touches on that part of the story, and we'll see it right after they have billboard wall-to-wall coverage of the successes the new system is currently enjoying in the same manner they so breathlessly reported its shortcomings just last week.

        Why do I hear crickets in November? Weird.

  •  The mood a year from now during the mid-terms will (1+ / 0-)
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    be key.

  •  I'm no pollster, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40

    I bet you the ACA has 100% support among people who never had insurance before, such as this guy:

    True story, GOP

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:29:16 AM PST

    •  Uh, yeah, but that percentage of Americans.. (1+ / 0-)
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      ...is very small compared to those who already have (had) insurance. If we hang our hat on the uninsured to get us elected/reelected, we're cooked.

      The law needs to work well for many, many more people than it is as presently constituted. If it was "all we could get at the time", the time has arrived to get more and fix what ails the law.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:34:14 AM PST

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  •  The numbers will change (7+ / 0-)

    The press has been utterly relentless in attacking both the President and the ACA since the Government shutdown ended. But it isn't going to go on forever. Americans don't have the attention span required. If Miley Cyrus takes her shirt off this weekend, no one on Monday is talking about the ACA at all. This stuff flips on a dime.

    My advice to the President and our elected Democrats is to ignore the polls, the haters, and the GOP. Get this web site fixed. Get people enrolled. These plans will take effect on January 1, and you're going to have countless stories of people whose lives have been changed for the better. Stop being defensive. Stop apologizing. Remind the American people what a miserable system this was five years ago, and bitch-slap the GOP for being on the wrong side of history -- again.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:29:34 AM PST

  •  those that can, do...those that can't, write... (0+ / 0-)

    those that can't write become pundits & just blow it out their asses

  •  Most have employer healthcare, and so most (0+ / 0-)

    people who are not thinking deeply, don't see a problem BEFORE the ACA, I wouldn't having always had finance job insurance

    so not surprising that more are not happy
    I want everyone covered so I am happy about he ACA as  are those who never had it

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:45:33 AM PST

  •  And people are still confused and wrong (0+ / 0-)

    about the ACA. Finance person in CA with ill daughter found better coverage for less after assuming the cancelled high risk policy was a disaster

    now she knows better

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:46:44 AM PST

  •  Confused. This poll was just headline news (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.usatoday.com/...

    at the top of the Google news feed for the U.S.

    Another poll reflects the political damage done to President Obama by the botched health care rollout.

    A Washington Post/ABC News poll says 55% of respondents now disapprove of Obama's performance, the worst rating of his presidency; 44% "strongly disapprove" of the way Obama is handling his job.

    Obama's approval rating is 42%, tied for his all-time low and a drop of six points over the past month.

    It's spin, you are saying, right?

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    by mahakali overdrive on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:51:08 AM PST

  •  The GOP strategy on ACA is just to tilt polls (2+ / 0-)
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    yorkiedoglover, kkkkate

    The entire strategy of the GOP has been to blanket the airwaves with their overheated bloviation--just to tilt the polls. Why else vote 46 times to kill Obamacare if not to convince distracted people it no longer is in effect? (I know a lot of people who thought it was gone already, and they aren't stupid.)

    This utterly ludicrous hullaballoo over website glitches and the fractional group of people clinging to their junk insurance (where are the headlines about the millions who routinely have had their insurance canceled for no good cause in the past??) has been strictly designed by the GOP in league with big media to make people think it's all over with for the ACA.

    The collaboration of the media in this is beyond disgusting.

    It was the same with the so-called 'scandals' that were nothing of the sort. The GOP exists on pure hype, not on accomplishments or achievements.
    And the bad press loves that. (I recall the press blaming Obama once for not 'selling his message' better -- to THEM!)

  •  Some of the 59% opposition (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, kkkkate

    is being fueled by those True Progressives (TM) who think that if they can make Obamacare fail, Congress will go back and enact single-payer or at least a public option ... sort of like Dr. Evil's delusional ranting "I'll get you YET, Austin Powers! Bwahahahaha!".  It's really cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.  The future of single-payer/PO is dependent on the success of Obamacare.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:07:35 AM PST

  •  Obamacare Support Steady in Twitter (0+ / 0-)

    While the support for Obamacare is lower in Twitter than in the polls cited what is consistent is that Obamacare indexes very consistently over the last 120 days.  There was a bump up in positives prior to the botched launch and a similar drop shortly afterwards but opinion indexes consistently with no great drop as some Republicans claim.  

  •  I agree with Matthews: Obama needs to run a (0+ / 0-)

    3 rd campaign. This one for his health plan. Howard Fineman also agreed. Obama needs to get rid of some or all of his advisors, and go out and SELL SELL and then SELL some more his ACA and point out the Repugs have NO alternative, and get out on the road, like no tomorrow. Its to the point where he must either get behind it and sell it or abandon it and leave it to the GOP to chip away and refine it to their liking!!!!

  •  CBS, Gallup show big drop (0+ / 0-)

    CBS finds a pretty big dip in Obamacare approval (only 31%). And Gallup finds "Majority in U.S. Say Healthcare Not Gov't Responsibility"

     

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