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Side-by-side of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)
First, the good news for Mitt Romney:
President Obama's job approval rating has plunged to the lowest of his presidency, according to a new CBS News poll released Wednesday, and Americans' approval of the Affordable Care Act has dropped it's lowest since CBS News started polling on the law.
Ouch—but not exactly surprising, given that even President Obama admits that the Obamacare rollout hasn't gone smoothly. I'm sure he'd love for those numbers to be higher, but the reality is that until things are turned around, these sorts of approval numbers aren't going to look good—nor should they. That's why the most important thing the administration can do is to make the policy work.

And that brings me to the second key finding in the poll, which has some bad news for Ted Cruz:

Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is. Far more, 48 percent, think there are some good things in the law, but changes are needed to make it work better, and another 43 percent think the law needs to be repealed entirely.
So even though Obamacare now is pretty much at its lowest point ever, a clear majority opposes the Ted Cruz position, which is repealing it altogether. Moreover, support for repeal isn't exactly skyrocketing, despite all the problems of the past six weeks: that 43 percent figure is just 4 points higher than the 39 percent who supported repeal in CBS's July survey.

It's tempting to look at that 7 percent number as a very bad sign, but even the president doesn't take the position that the law is working perfectly and doesn't need changes. Like most Americans, Obama and the Democratic Party want Obamacare to work. On the other hand, Cruz—and pretty much the entire GOP—want it to fail. For them, it's repeal or bust. Changes to make it work better are off the table. If things get worse between now and November 2014, that position might work out for them, but if the program continues to improve, so will attitudes towards it, and Republicans will find themselves even more out of step with the public.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:41 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  More importantly, is this (8+ / 0-)

    good news for John McCain?  

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:48:42 AM PST

  •  This whole mess is turning me into a conservative (3+ / 0-)
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    satrap, shoeless, Chitown Kev

    If Americans want to pay $800 a month for junk, worthless insurance, I'm going to stop standing in the way. I've got mine, that's what matters, right?

    I support science -- that includes nuclear energy and GMOs. matthewborgard.com ~ @MatthewBorgard

    by zegota on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:49:19 AM PST

  •  romney should run again (12+ / 0-)

    the nation needs him. well, humorists everywhere need him, anyway...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:53:12 AM PST

  •  What's always going to be funny about (10+ / 0-)

    those polls is if the question to me was "Do you think Obamacare needs to be improved?"  I would say yes even though I think it's a good start at improving health care.  They could then use that answer to indicate that a majority think that the ACA was not good enough.

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:55:11 AM PST

  •  It's the hill they chose to die on (6+ / 0-)
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    skillet, satrap, Darmok, shoeless, JeffW, TKO333

    now DIE FutherMuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (figure of speech, not an actual endorsement of death)(additional disclaimers as needed)(don't HR me over a joke, OK?)

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:56:00 AM PST

  •  Can't beat Something with Nothing Teddypoops... (3+ / 0-)
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    thought you went to Harvard.

  •  The way out is through... (3+ / 0-)
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    JBraden, ProgressiveOldMan, shoeless

    I've been writing on this in various places.  That 40 some percent of us who want it repealed are very noisy, near constantly bitching about the law and linking every single bitch to "barry" or President Obama as he's otherwise known.

    Throughout this mess, I've maintained that ACA is a start and:

    1.  It was the possible.  

    Had there been a handful of good Republicans out there willing to start with the left, we could have had a much better ACA.

    2.  It's not perfect.

    Health care is hard.  It's hard because Republican opposition kept us from working on the problem until way too late in the game for it to be easy.

    3.  It is the right thing to do.

    We hear a lot about the people not having a good experience, or who see cost increases.  I'm going to see a cost increase.  Many of us are.

    Insurers are choosing those cost increases while also working to cut their risk despite provisions in the ACA to insulate them from said risks.

    4.  40 million plus Americans will get insurance.

    5.  How come nobody is talking about the 400K plus people being denied coverage they would get under the ACA in those States using their people to make political points potentially  Killing some of them in the process?

    6.  You are either on board to help make it better or not.

    So which is it?  Repeal isn't an option.  Reform is an option and the more of us who get on board with that we have working the better and faster the reform will be.

    7.  The left is reforming health care long overdue.  This is going to get finished and again, with us or against us, we will get this done.

    8.  Bitching?

    Where are your solutions?  Not fixing health care isn't an option.  Getting rid of Obama isn't an option.

    Want something better?  Great, so do we.  And again, if we had just a few good Republicans toss in with the left on this much needed reform, things would be a whole lot better.

    9.  Your votes and election results matter.

    With us or against us?

    We can't just take shit over the ACA.  Push back on these naysaying clowns, tease out the closet repealers and rub their faces in how they want to preserve the ugly status quo where people die every day for lack of meaningful access to health care.

    Near constantly ask for their help.  Join us, make it better faster.

    Don't take shit.  We picked this fight, it was the right fight to pick and now that we've picked it, we need to finish this solid and that means never, ever taking any shit without turning it around into some basic advocacy on how this will get done, can get done, why it must be done and that the left is getting it done.

    The right?

    Problem party.  The really stupid wing of the problem party who doesn't give a fuck about you or anybody else wants to make problems so they can run on those problems, take office and make more problems.

    Dismiss them brutally, and make the call to action on getting health care right for our kids, future, and when we all get old, so that we all get old and see some of those kids and future.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    The ACA is all about getting started toward great health care. No turning back. The way forward is through. Every Democrat is married to this law and we all need to work together to make it awesome.

    by potatohead on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 08:59:03 AM PST

    •  You're Absolutely Right (4+ / 0-)

      It's analogous to a law which would have required people to buy better, more efficient cars.  Let's call it OBAMACAR.  Under Obamacar, the law requires people with clunkers and less efficient vehicle to replace them with longer-lasting, more mechanically reliable and efficient running vehicles.  However, during "rollout", it is discovered that the automobile makers will  not supply better vehicles for the same price as the old el cheapo, clunkers, etc.

      soooo . . .

  •  Also, what is missing is that, by and (5+ / 0-)
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    Caniac41, JBraden, jrand, shoeless, Matt Z

    large ACA has no direct impact on the overwhelming majority of Americans that they recognize on a day-to-day level.

    Other issues are much more important to "the American People."*

    Trademarked by Boner and McTurtle.

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:01:10 AM PST

  •  Obama is two points ahead of George W. Bush (3+ / 0-)
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    at this point in his presidency (37/57 versus 35/57). Not too shabby, huh?

    But Clinton (58/29) and Reagan (65/26) fared much better in the polls a year into their second terms.

    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

    by HairyTrueMan on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:02:12 AM PST

  •  Fact check shit (3+ / 0-)
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    This is needed near constantly as well.

    People really don't understand the law.  I know I don't and I appear to learn something new each day.

    Each day as something new gets learned the naysayers are out there talking about how bad this is, why we should repeal it, and so on.

    Fact check it, make sure they are complaining about the right vision of the law and then include a simple call to action and informative phone numbers and access info in your State.

    A great example of this has to do with abortion and or birth control nuts.

    When I encounter them, I pose an ugly question to them every single time, then I post up information on how to donate to pro-choice causes.  The more they contribute, the more advertizing they do for those causes.

    Mostly they stop.

    The ACA can work like this.  Every time they put it out there ugly, fact check it, then put the good out there and the contact info and the call to action to join us in making it better faster.

    ...that ugly question is something that would require them to say yes to supporting the idea of denying Americans health care for their own self-centered, misinformed reasons.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    The ACA is all about getting started toward great health care. No turning back. The way forward is through. Every Democrat is married to this law and we all need to work together to make it awesome.

    by potatohead on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:02:41 AM PST

  •  Remember, this is a long fight. (8+ / 0-)

    Don't use absolute, short term framing.  Always reference earlier progress fights, how long they took and what the result was.

    The ACA is all about getting started.  There is much better in our future, but we' ve got to get started and then do the work to get there.

    Link their complaints to getting there and ask them to join you and the left in getting there and remind them who is mostly responsible for us starting late and who does not want us to get there.

    Republicans.  

    The left will finish this.  

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    The ACA is all about getting started toward great health care. No turning back. The way forward is through. Every Democrat is married to this law and we all need to work together to make it awesome.

    by potatohead on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:04:56 AM PST

  •  This is good news for John McCain, too! n/t (5+ / 0-)
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  •  Repeal isn't a bad thing, given the mess that (1+ / 0-)
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    ProgressiveOldMan

    PPACA is, but repeal without replacement?

    Not going to happen,or, at least, not without severe consequences.

    Why?

    Repeal without replacement means a return to (sort-of) the status quo -- which would be a pain for everybody, including large insurance companies.

    The American status quo was terrible, and lots more people have become aware of how terrible it was.

    ACA is merely awful, which is better than terrible, if only because it's one less syllable to say.

    More important: It does a few good things to address real pain points in the ability to receive (bankruptcy free) health care in the US.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:05:34 AM PST

  •  this daily polling is just ridiculous. Way too (4+ / 0-)
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    much time and energy is being spent on these mindless daily pollings. Why don't they poll people on the (lack of) popularity of the GOP daily???!!!! Lets ask people maybe a year from now, how they feel about the ACA, please?!

  •  aoeu (1+ / 0-)
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    Darmok

    "it's[sic] lowest"? come on CBS ...get it right. It's "its".

    All my rights reserved.

    by TealVeal on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:06:46 AM PST

  •  God I wish I could agree with this (1+ / 0-)
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    auapplemac

    , that the ACA poll numbers will improve, but the thing has gotten off to such a bad start- and I mean from the passage of the act until today- that I think that it will never be an electoral winner for Ds.  At best , it will eventually be an electoral loser for Rs if they try to repeal.  But I think a repeal bellow will work for a while...

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:06:49 AM PST

  •  I scream (7+ / 0-)

    at the TV news - I know why do I bother - when they bring up the DISASTER that is the Website - I work in IT - ON AN INTERNAL help desk no less - and Can't remember when any roll out of any kind DIDN'T have issues.. GET OVER IT.. the GD website will be fixed.. the MSM is just looking for something bad to talk about. The 'not so intelligent' American Public has been so misled that they think this is the 'worst thing ever'. No Idiots - the 'worst thing ever' was going into Iraq on false pretenses and costing upwards of what $10 BILLION dollars and over 4500 American Lives let alone over 100,000 Iraqi deaths?  

    This is just a website.. get over it already.

    Rant over.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:14:21 AM PST

  •  There's no turning back now. (1+ / 0-)
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    jrand

    The wheels are in motion and the ACA is leaving the station. Repeal isn't going to happen. Few really want to go back to the old system. Replace isn't going to happen. No one wants to go through this gigantic adjustment again. Fixing the rough patches will be the path forward. Those who champion this cause will win elections.

  •  John McCain sez: (1+ / 0-)
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    "Hooray for me."

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:19:55 AM PST

  •  When You Offer People A Pony... (2+ / 0-)
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    You better deliver. It doesn't matter that you never offered it to them because they sat there thinking that's what they were getting.

    The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    by The Lone Apple on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:20:52 AM PST

  •  Who cares if Mitt Romney would win today? (2+ / 0-)
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    He lost when it counted.  Sheesh ... why don't they take a poll of the 1988 presidential election ... a full 25 years ago?  I bet Michael Dukakis would win that one today, too, and it's just as meaningless.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:21:52 AM PST

  •  Why is CBS quoted on anything, anymore? (3+ / 0-)
    •  Really... (3+ / 0-)
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      TKO333, varii, Stude Dude

      If you can stomach it... over at Freepers ever so often, they provide a link to 'FREEP' the polls.

      As a result you get poll results that look like this.

      I just checked ' Realclear Politics' and the other polls look nothing like what  CBS is reporting.

      As I recall President Obama didn't stand a chance of winning a 2nd term.. based on 'polls'. LOL!...We all know how that turned out.

      Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by destiny1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:25:53 AM PST

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  •  There's a lot of *concern* in this thread... (2+ / 0-)
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    Amazing how these threads attract this sort of thing.

  •  To the 43% who want to scrap Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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    I say they should be made to rely on god for health care, light candles and pray, and if he doesn't come through let the devil take them.  Leave health care resources for the 57% who one way or another want universal health care.

  •  The ACA has been... (0+ / 0-)

    pretty bad to say the least. I've heard many say that it needs to be done away with all together but the system we had in place prior to it was also a mess. It's a shame that working together is something the 2 parties are unable to do because I'm sure something better can come out of a bi-partisan act. Then again, I think we're going to have to wait until President Obama is out of office before the right chooses to to do anything in a bi-partisan manner. There's just something about the president they simply do not like.

  •  If Obama had worked for main street (1+ / 0-)
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    instead of wall street we would see very different numbers.

    "We need a revolution away from the plutocracy that runs Government."

    by hangingchad on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:05:11 AM PST

  •  What's different here? (8+ / 0-)

    Hasn't the ACA always polled better in pieces than as a whole? Taken as a whole, 55% do not want repeal. More over, how many of those who think the law needs improvement are focused on the website issues?

    The difference between Obama and Bush is Obama's problems are eminently fixable. A broken website and in turn low enrollment numbers are temporary. Bush couldn't turn back the clock on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (largely because he clearly lied to get the countries support) or his botched Katrina response.

    Honestly in the end? I just don't give a fuck anymore. That people can compare the botched website roll out with the drowning of 1800 people in New Orleans among the other horrors of Hurricane Katrina shows just how lopsided the thinking of this country is. I burnt out on non-stop polling and opinion making by the media. It's as if they are so discombobulated by having to accurately report on the shutdown that the MSM thinks they have to makeup for it now with the ACA reporting.

    Report the facts, but there are people being helped by this law and that number grows everyday. In the end, I'm not going to shit myself over poll numbers when their is still three years left in Obama's Presidency and a year before midterms.

  •  I see this as a win for Ted Cruz... (1+ / 0-)
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    That so many believe the law is flawed now is a credit to Mr. Cruz framing the dialogue by being a public menace in so visible a way that folks started listening to their various sources of propaganda in time for other criticisms to hit the circuit.

    Its a very good ploy - send out a mad dog to gnaw on their leg and dry-hump them, while you're walking around behind them with a knife.

    Ted Cruz is playing his part in the drama perfectly - and we're all both distracted by the rabid animal, but also wondering at what bit him... and that's got people more open to various 'seemingly more reasonable' rants on the issue.

    If nothing else, it also makes a counter dialog about the benefits first have to address why the dog with rabies is trying to dry hump America's leg... Distracting us from shifting conversation over to how people are finally getting healthcare.

    OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

    by Jyotai on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:15:51 AM PST

    •  Cruz has been a big help to Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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      His wild fringiness on the issue pushed Americans on the fence to side with the Democrats on the shutdown and Obamacare.  Obamacare's and Obama's current unpopularity has to do primarily with the web site and also the scare factor that the media inserted when they took up the cause for the 3 percenters and didn't bother to give even remotely proportional coverage to the 500,000 people who got health insurance for the first time in their lives last month.  Democrats should expect to get hit in the media because we are the only institution in DC that cares for 99%.  

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      by khyber900 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:34:39 AM PST

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  •  The most undeserved poll drop ever. (2+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, RobbyMcP

    The private gov't contractor dropped the ball while the President was dealing with a GOP shutdown/default and he is leading the effort to fix the site with some promise of success based on recent trends. He is taking a hit because insurance companies did not take advantage of the safe harbor/grandfather clause that his law provided them to allow people to keep what are mostly junk plans.

    These numbers will go back up when we complete the enrollment period.

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    by khyber900 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:31:46 AM PST

    •  The President should have baby sat his chief (0+ / 0-)

      Legislative accomplishment. He was too hands-off.

      His staff was totally incompetent and did him a massive disservice by not keeping him in the loop - if indeed, they actually didn't inform him of the coming train wreck.

      The worst part is that Obama has lost cedibiity with the public. That cannot be repaired. Remember: "No new taxes?" Bush 1 never overcame that.

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 01:47:32 PM PST

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  •  Fer Chrissake! Let's stop calling it Obamacare! (0+ / 0-)

    Weeks ago I saw more than one comparison poll that indicated that the very name Obamacare influenced many to criticize it (whether or not the polled person knew ANYTHING else about it), and calling it the ACA resulted in consistently comparatively higher approvals.

    If such a small adjustment to our lives can help the Prez's ratings, I say let's do it... Every little bit helps, and I doubt many would deny that much of the poll results are the direct result of the all out right wing assault on the ACA from every possible avenue, along with their fantasy that they can somehow eliminate a law already on the books... and Obama's ratings will continue suffer alongside.

    Of course, the glitches have added downward pressure to the polls, but if a change in verbage can help, it certainly should be done.

    I know the Prez is on record saying he "liked the name."  I seriously doubt he still maintains that affection.

    This is a PR war.

    Everyone please stop calling it Obamacare.  

    "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

    by ceebee7 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 11:31:29 AM PST

  •  Surprise! surprise! CBS does a poll and finds (0+ / 0-)

    the popularity of the President and the ACA are down after they have been savaging both for weeks now.  WOW!  How shocking!   To me the most remarkable thing in their findings is that both Obama and his signature law continue to have support despite the one sided, one dimensional media attacks like those of CBS.   If they were capable of it, (and I know they're not), CBS News should be ashamed.  Whatever credibility they had left has been sacrificed recently by their shameful Benghazi coverage and this disgrace.  

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