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Today as you know Harry Reid finally moved to strip the Republicans of their ability to willy nilly filibuster Presidential appointments and federal judges, except Supreme Court Judges. This is a good far as it goes.

First of all, Republicans play for keeps,they play hardball.  Democrats play softball, today's move was softball.  Anyone care to hazard a guess what will happen the first time Barack Obama attempts to appoint a Supreme Court Justice?...anyone?

Does anyone believe that any single piece of legislation will be passed through the Senate for the entirety of Barack Obama's tenure...anyone?

I hear the hand-wringing and whining about well if we do it to them then we will have it done to us should the situation be reversed and a Republican President takes over and Republicans are the majority in the Senate.

Poppycock, I say Poppycock.  As I said Republicans play hardball, as soon as such a situation arises they wouldn't think twice about throwing the filibuster out in toto and that is exactly what should have happened today.

To have your say in Government a party or individual has to win the hearts and minds and souls of the voters, so if we want to stop the Rebublicans from having their minority say then we had better stay on the right side of public opinion as we are.  Majority rule and if people elect say Chris Christie next time then he has the right to have his appointments voted up or down also.  The only thing we can do is make sure that doesn't happen

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  •  It wasn't the rule itself (12+ / 0-)

    ...that was important today.  It was the fact that the Senate majority changed the rules mid-session on a majority vote.  That is now a precedent for both sides.

    It also means that the Democrats have the option to change other rules of the Senate on a majority vote if there is not better behavior from the Republicans.  That includes removing the filibuster on legislation and removing the filibuster on Supreme Court nominees.  Or any other rule of the Senate.

    For progressives, it means that they must work hard to keep Republicans from becoming the majority in the Senate.  They must work hard at that probably for the next generation or until the movement conservatism fever that infected the Republican Party in 1964 passes.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:28:14 PM PST

  •  Umm, no guessing is required (0+ / 0-)

    The Democrats have already said they won't use this manuver to appoint SCOTUS nominees.

    But as for legislation did you hear the President's speech today? He clearly stated that legislative road blocks are just as big a problem. And while he thanked the Senate for clearing one roadblock it was pretty obvious he wants them to clear the next.

    So let the Republicans act like obstructionist assholes in the upcoming budget negotiations. Harry will have the perfect reply, "You give us a vote or I pull the trigger. Do you want me to pull the trigger, Mitch?"

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:34:15 PM PST

    •  I did hear the President (0+ / 0-)

      today and you might be right, I hope so.

    •  Opprtunity to change the is: Next session (0+ / 0-)

      The opportunity to do this will be at the opening session of Congress in January 2014.

      •  I don't have the procedure dance steps down (0+ / 0-)

        but I've seen the argument that something similar could happen with legislation even this year. If we don't have to wait until Jan 2015 but could do it in Jan 2014 I could live with that as well.

        There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

        by ontheleftcoast on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:48:54 PM PST

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        •  But to what end? (0+ / 0-)

          What would be the point of fighting in 2014 for a 51-vote rule on legislation in the Senate when there's not a chance in hell that the Republican-run House would even put the bill on the floor?

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 07:58:37 PM PST

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          •  Not all bills start in the House (0+ / 0-)

            Spending bills have to start in the House but not everything Congress does is spending related. Pass stuff thru the unblocked Senate and make the Boner explain why he's doing nothing. Put the onus on him to explain why he refuses to do anything but try (for the 47th or 93rd time) to repeal Obamacare.

            There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

            by ontheleftcoast on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:43:56 AM PST

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    •  Harry Reid can go "nuclear" on legislation (1+ / 0-)
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      but at this time it won't make a damn of difference because NOTHING is going to get through the Republican House. Take back the House, and then we Senator Reid can make that move.

  •  a wet firecracker at that, (1+ / 0-)
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    filled with all of Harry Reid's accumulated dry powder.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:44:35 PM PST

  •  Actually, there was no point in killing the... (7+ / 0-)

    legislative filibuster today--and won't be for at least another year.

    As long as they hold the House, nothing passed by the Senate is gonna get through the House until we retake it anyway, so it doesn't really matter whether it gets 51 votes or 60 votes in the Senate.

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