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Or so many of the wingnuts would like to have people believe

You go out and vote,  if you can jump over the obstructions being created by the talibangelical party.

You fail to elect the real American Party!

Then you expect to govern!!

You goddamned commie heathens!!!

You tyrannical  pinko fascist taskmasters!!!!

How dare you!!!

It's oppression!!!!!!!!!!

The only conclusion I can come up with is that they really don't like democracy, unless of course they have the majority.

And of course the President is a Kenyan and we all know how hard the wingnuts in congress tried to fight that falsehood for obviously racist reasons.

So majority rule when presidenting when black is despotic.

Goddamned majority rule is like Hitler!

On the other hand gerrymandering is a true sign of a functioning democracy; until democrats do it; then it is an abomination.

The majority in the house being voted in by a minority of the people is of course normal.

The distorted nature of the vote when electing the senate is normal.

The distortion created by corporate funding of elections is fine and dandy.

Just so long as the wingnuts win.

Until then Democracy is tyranny. Jefferson!!!

Yeah, yeah, yawn.

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  •  Tip Jar. I'm still boycotting their official (36+ / 0-)

    political group's name.

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:20:23 AM PST

  •  Weird how THEY turned it all upside down in a (10+ / 0-)

    relatively short period. The sad part is they couldn't do it without a lot of 'regular folk' following them.

    I don't get it.

    "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

    "It's said that the honest man has nothing to hide. Not true. The honest man has to hide himself, because honest men are the prime targets of those who lie."

    by roseeriter on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:29:58 AM PST

    •  If you think that's weird, (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      a2nite, Wee Mama, Words In Action, Rogneid

      In three years, the Republicans will be reminding everyone that the Affordable Care  Act was originally Romney's idea.

      Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

      by Judge Moonbox on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:47:56 AM PST

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    •  Not just the regular folk, (1+ / 0-)
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      spritegeezer

      but our Democratic leaders, who helped them up off the floor, dusted them off, invited them to the table as if their "ideas" deserve respect, and proceeded to negotiate as if we hadn't already lost far too much to them over the past three decades!

      Lending a helping hand and such is a nice thing to do, but when the murderer's dropped his axe, you don't pick it up and hand it back to him. Unless of course you're a Third Way "Democrat," a plutocratic henchman apprentice.

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      Election supplicants are political activists in the same way armchair quarterbacks are football players.

      by Words In Action on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:39:25 AM PST

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  •  The whining people are insecure and need (5+ / 0-)

    someone to tell them what to do. Still, they resent it, like mother telling them to shower and brush their teeth. It is a juvenile response, but some people just don't develop beyond that.
    The liberal mistake is giving them the benefit of the doubt and letting them take the wheel of the hummer or speed boat even though they haven't demonstrated their qualifications.
    In part, that our legislative bodies are now populated by a lot of dolts is also a consequence of a decades long campaign to convince the electorate that governing is fruitless. If we recall that JFK ecruited the "best and brightest" to enter into government service, we are quickly reminded of an obvious waste. Oddly, even the designation of office holders as privileged puts some people off. People desiring to serve tend not to appreciate being designated as an elite.

    Obamacare at your fingertips: 1-800-318-2596; TTY: 1-855-889-4325

    by hannah on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:33:25 AM PST

    •  The repubs seem to think that the type of person (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      hannah

      to run for office should be willing to be controlled by the "best and brightest."

      And by "best and brightest" I mean the white men who inherited wealth.

      This better be good. Because it is not going away.

      by DerAmi on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:04:58 AM PST

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    •  They also constantly start at "zero" (3+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, Youffraita, spritegeezer

      They berate, threaten, cajole, and more, and when you stand up to them, suddenly they're victimized, as if their preceding behavior never occurred.

      I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

      by CFAmick on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 07:15:06 AM PST

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  •  USA has suffered under the Tyranny of the Minority (5+ / 0-)

    and no doubt Republicans have modeled to other young democracies how the minority can usurp the will of the Electorate.

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:54:21 AM PST

  •  Democracy is tyranny (14+ / 0-)

    Racism is freedom. Wealth is for those who deserve it. Justice is bought. Politics is for the privileged. Oh yeah, guns prevent violence. Climate change is a hoax, people don't want healthcare, and jobs are created by taking from the poor.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:55:59 AM PST

  •  Thanks LaFem nt (2+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista, ericlewis0

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:29:14 AM PST

  •  Democracy has some built-in flaws. (5+ / 0-)

    For example, the Tragedy of the Commons, where people destroy a shared resource because of perverse incentives. Sometimes mob rule leads to persecution of racial or religious minorities.

    But the wingnuts don't seem concerned about those: they consider those "features", not "bugs". It is virtues like tolerance, empathy, and justice that they have problems with.

    •  My problem is that the wingnut party represents (4+ / 0-)

      the mob that would persecute minorities, there record speaks for itself.

      One side of the current divide represents diversity, hence the voting record

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:35:49 AM PST

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    •  Perverse incentives NOT a 'flaw of democracy' (1+ / 0-)
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      "Get some before it's gone" may be a perverse incentive, but it has nothing to do with self-government per se.

      It's voting for candidates they're attacking, they're looking to install themselves as Plato's Philosopher Kings, who rule by RIGHT and by SUPERIOR MORAL FORCE, and skip this stupid will-of-the-people garbage.  Imposition by our betters MUST be better than self-rule, or we wouldn't have a black president, amirite?

      The "tragedy of the commons" is a disaster worthy of its own attention, its own investigation;  might say even that the REAL tragedy of the commons is that we pay no attention to it or what it means, even when we speak of it....

      trying to stay alive 'til I reach 65!

      by chmood on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:17:17 AM PST

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  •  Weren't you paying attention? (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, LaFeminista

    Reagan explained it to us! Government is the problem!

    Reaganomics noun pl: blind faith that unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods and services, that government is bad and it can increase revenue by decreasng revenue. Synonyms: Friedmanomics. Antonyms: common sense. Related Words: Laffer curve

    by FrY10cK on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:10:42 AM PST

  •  The Crux Is (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, LaFeminista

    correct rule vs incorrect rule.

    If you don't know which people need to be kept in line, you're one of them.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:37:36 AM PST

  •  Spoiled Children (3+ / 0-)

    With no ability for self-reflection. The U.S. has always had clowns like this but they were always on the fringes. Sadly, they are the mainstream of the Republican Party today. They want what they want when they want it. Pathetic.

    The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    by The Lone Apple on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:20:37 AM PST

  •  I still think (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, LaFeminista

    it's all just a grifter's game, "Send money so we can stop this fill-in-the-blank!"  And if it destroys our government's ability to function?  "Too bad!  I've got mine!"

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:42:29 AM PST

  •  The Right has always had a problem with democracy (2+ / 0-)
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    Judge Moonbox, LaFeminista

    Used to be that our favorite allies in the third world were dictators that were staunchly anti-communist. Democracy was a dirty word. Democracy meant that the people could demand social justice, an anathema to the Right.

    I believe that the Right came to an uneasy truce with democracy based on the belief that they could buy control of most governments, including the US. I think that the high RWAs on the Supreme Court understood this basic principle with their decision on Citizens United.

    The Right's philosophy today is that democracy might be tolerable through a combination of buying influence, appealing to authoritarian social organizations, and through voter suppression, and irrational demeaning of the Left. Make no mistake about it, they understand that it is war and the Left does not.

    However, something is happening to undermine the formula that allows the Right control of governments. When you are in the middle of an historic change like this it is sometimes difficult to see it, but here we are.

    If you are an intellectual and have been on the wrong side of the aisle it might be time to rethink your political philosophy and consider being part of a movement that is going to reshape the world. The biggest problem for the Right is that it is headed for a dead-end. Their politics will not solve our global problems and people are going to wake up to their scam in the process.

  •  but isn't theft, property /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 09:46:17 AM PST

  •  Says the party... (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    ...which only controls the House due to gerrymandering, but got fewer overall votes in 2012 than the other party.

  •  You Know Who Else Hated Democratic Majority Rule? (0+ / 0-)
    In the country of the "freest democracy," the Jew exerts an almost unlimited dictatorship indirectly through public opinion.....Democratic majority rule has by no means always dominated mankind, but on the contrary is to be found only in brief periods of history, which are always epochs of the decay of peoples and states. (Mein Kampf p451).

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:25:27 PM PST

  •  The Self Delusional GOP Base (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    The Con Artists and Snake oil sales reps LOVE the
    non-Factual, anti-science Teabaggers.

    The Con Artists promise the Voters "The Good Life".

    The Teabaggers cough up their last dime and they vote
    for the "Approved" candidates.

    The Con Artists get "The Good Life" and the delusional
    Base stays just as Poor as they were Before.

    Naturally, The only Plausible reason for their continued
    FAILURE in Elections is because "The other side Cheated".

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:33:15 PM PST

  •  I must sadly agree that Democracy brings (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LaFeminista

    tyranny of the majority, especially for the rights of minorities.

    In the majority of these "United States", when Americans were given the opportunity to ensure equity under law to marry they denied said right.

    33 States currently deny gay marriages or civil unions.

    I understand that me pointing this out isn't going to be very popular here today, that's okay though.  Our founders knew this fact and went about trying to protect the rights of less populous States.  They created what we call a Republic, not a Democracy.

    Democracy in America, Then and Now, a Struggle Against Majority Tyranny  

    Alexis de Tocqueville tells this chilling story in "Democracy in America," and warns that the greatest threat the United States faces is the tyranny of the majority, a phrase he is credited with coining. His account of his travels through America in the 1830's, which is often called the greatest book ever written about America, is both an appreciation of American democracy, and a cautionary tale about its fragility.
    History proves that minority rights are rarely protected, even to this day:
    Minority groups often face outright discrimination and exclusion from participating in public elections, are denied legal rights and fair treatment in the justice system, and are resigned to the sense that their attempts to obtain equal treatment are futile.  Moreover, even if they have some formal legal rights, they are usually prevented from exercising them. Additionally, minority peoples are frequently not consulted when policies and legislation that affect them are considered.
    Keep in mind that what we did this past week will be used against us when the Rethugicans regain power in the future.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:07:08 PM PST

    •  I agree in part and in principle (1+ / 0-)
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      gerrilea

      But the screams coming from the right are so full of shit as to warrant mocking.

      The nub of the question is do we actually live in a democracy where everyone's vote counts?

      The only answer can be at present, no we don't.

      Gerrymandering.
      The senate is not representative of  population density.
      Campaign financing needs real reform.
      The two party hold on power

      etc etc

      When the US wants to do something really stupid historically the vote count in both houses seems to be unstoppable.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:02:02 AM PST

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