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Last week, the president of an ultraconservative Catholic outfit had the gall to wonder if the massive tornado outbreak in Illinois was linked to the passage of a marriage equality bill.  Barely 24 hours after the tornadoes died down, Robert Ritchie, president of America Needs Fatima, a project of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property; made a post on his group's blog wondering if the tornadoes were either "God's chastisement" or "one more merciful warning from Providence."  

I know Christianists have the right to be wrong.  But did they have to be wrong this time?  This may be a week old, but I figure a little sunshine is in order.  The only appropriate response to such bile is "You're despicable"--preferably with a Daffy Duck voice.

This article would be disgusting enough by itself, but a little more digging on Ritchie's organization reveals some even more disturbing information.  TFP is the American branch of Tradition, Family and Property, a Brazilian-based outfit that maintains every pope since John XXIII has been under Communist/Marxist influence.  According to the UN Refugee Agency, TFP was heavily bankrolled by the Pinochet dictatorship, and was linked to attempts to assassinate John Paul II and Ronald Reagan.  And back in 2011, TFP's student chapter held an anti-marriage equality rally at Brown University in which members were seen wearing military-style black uniforms.  

And yet, this is a group that the National Organization for Marriage apparently works with fairly often.  The most benign interpretation is that NOM doesn't do their homework.

Originally posted to Street Prophets on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:47 PM PST.

Also republished by Land of Lincoln Kos.

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  •  GAWD? (3+ / 0-)

    Man created GAWD you goofy-fv

  •  No link whatsoever... (4+ / 0-)

    ...and anyone who thinks that legalizing marriage equality can cause tornado outbreaks is stupid.

    My parents made me a Democrat. Scott Walker made me a progressive.

    by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:53:11 PM PST

    •  One could infer that God hates Christians... (1+ / 0-)
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      Tinfoil Hat

      If one wanted to draw conclusions from the recent tornado outbreak in Illinois, one might just as plausibly drawn the conclusion that God hates conservative Christians.  To wit:

      St. Joseph's Catholic Church suffered devastating damage
      http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/...

      and

      St. John's Lutheran Church in New Minden, IL and Our Savior Lutheran Church were both severely damaged, as were the homes of many Lutheran Church members.
      http://blogs.lcms.org/...

      But any sensible person would not blame God for this tragedy, nor should any reasonable person praise God that so few people were injured.  They should praise NOAA's Storm Prediction Center and all the meteorologists involved in their predictions and those who designed the weather satellites and other instruments they use for correctly predicting, many days in advance, that dangerous weather was likely that day.  And they should praise the local National Weather Service Office, police, firemen and hospital workers, as well as volunteer weather spotters and radio and TV stations for getting the word out in time to allow people to take cover.

  •  That's why god invented weather, so we'd (6+ / 0-)

    know what he was thinking, ya know?

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:57:16 PM PST

  •  Can't these guys (5+ / 0-)

    come up with a new line? Pat Robertson blamed Katrina on teh gays.
    Poor NOM, they're getting so desperate for money :

    NOM is bleeding money and its track record of losses is only getting longer. Instead of considering any type of rational course-correction, NOM has instead tracked even further to the right – attacking transgender Americans and blasting the bi-partisan passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. NOM’s recent actions increasingly suggest the organization’s true mission actually has nothing to do with marriage, and everything to do with demonizing LGBT people however possible.
    http://www.hrc.org/...

    Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

    by skohayes on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:09:17 PM PST

  •  Evangelical Infiltrators? (0+ / 0-)

    I've never been much of a theomagiciologian, but I always felt like the Catholic magic was more into artifacts, saints & spirits granting individual favors, while the evangelicals had the more grandiose magic of God or Jaysus Himself smiting or blessing regions and nations.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:16:10 PM PST

    •  This is RW Evangelical Protestantism (0+ / 0-)

      ...with better bling.  It bears little resemblance to the Catholic church I grew up in.  I lived in the South in my 20s, and didn't like it then.  

      Looking at this institutionalized political hostility come to dominate the Catholic church in the past 20 years was a big part of why I threw in the towel two years ago.

  •  It makes me wonder what "their" God does when (1+ / 0-)
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    we get things right... or is their version of God just a sadomasochistic monster 24/7?

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:23:37 PM PST

  •  A question (5+ / 0-)

    If God wanted to punish the people of Illinois over same sex marriage, why did he send the tornadoes to Republican voting districts?

  •  Doesn't everybody KNOW about God's wrath? (5+ / 0-)

    God punishes the wicked who are greedy and uncharitable to the poor, the sick, the widow, and the orphan.

    God's wrath may be averted by doing acts of charity.

    And I think keeping the Sabbath is included, too.

    Actually, do quote The Bible back to those who attribute motives to the weather:

    Matthew 5:45

    King James Version (KJV)

              That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

  •  Groups like this pulled the same stunt... (3+ / 0-)
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    marykk, wintergreen8694, JGibson

    ...when the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) voted at its 2009 national gathering to begin ordaining non-celibate gays and lesbians to the ministry.  A weak tornado struck the convention hall in the Twin Cities, and opponents of the decision claimed that it was God's judgement on the ELCA.  I've been waiting for an opportunity to ask one of these types what  message God was trying to convey by destroying so many conservative churches during the superoutbreak of tornadoes on 4/27/11.

  •  Isn't it obvious? (4+ / 0-)

    The same mentality that opposes marriage equality also opposes doing anything about climate change -- the link is quite clear.

  •  Opus Dei? (3+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon, luckylizard, Bronx59

    Do you know if this TFP outfit has ties to Opus Dei?

  •  Aeolus, the God of Wind, has some unusual ideas (0+ / 0-)

    about marriage. His six sons and six daughters are married to each other, so incest is fine with him. But maybe they are right that he objects to same sex marriage.

  •  No, the tornadoes happened because I forgot (0+ / 0-)

    to wear my lucky charm that day. I know this for a fact. I've been feeling guilty about that ever since but that's the way it is.

  •  No, but they may be linked to coal equality (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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    UnionMade

    warning: snark probably above

    by NE2 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:12:07 PM PST

  •  Why did Typhoon Haiyan hit the phillipines? (1+ / 0-)
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    UnionMade

    You can also respond to the superstitious with factual arguments.

    If God is punishing America because he hates abortion, why did Typhoon Haiyan, the largest storm so far on record, hit the Philippines?

    Abortion is illegal in the Philippines.  And they have no gay marriage, no LGBT protection laws, and a very strong Catholic church.

    You can also ask if they are making a prophecy.  And why the various Christian leaders who made false prophecies still lead their churches.

    “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

    by MugWumpBlues on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:17:56 PM PST

  •  I saw a statistical analysis (0+ / 0-)

    a while back. I thought I bookmarked it, but I think it was on a computer with a hard drive that crashed.

    Anyway, they took the idea that God (or whatever deity you believe in) is punishing people by sending tornadoes and hurricanes. So they looked at states that legalized marriage equality. (mostly Yankee states and the northwest). Nope. Not a lot of hurricanes or tornadoes. OK. Texas and Oklahoma have the most tornadoes. They're mostly Republican states with lots of Southern Baptist and Evangelical Christians. Maybe God hates Baptists and bible thumpers. What about Muslims and Jews and Atheists? Well, it turns out they live mostly in states that don't get a lot of tornadoes and hurricanes.

    And so on. You start with the assumption that weather is sent by God to punish sinners and analyze it statistically. Turns out God hates Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Republicans, people whose ancestors owned slaves, and maybe people who live in single-wide trailer homes.

    And maybe God is sending killer bees, scorpions, and governors who won't expand Medicaid to those sinful (mostly southern) states, too.

    QED.

    "Stupid just can't keep its mouth shut." -- SweetAuntFanny's grandmother.

    by Dbug on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:46:39 PM PST

  •  Protestant Wind (0+ / 0-)

    Heck, we'd probably all be Catholics if the "Protestant Wind" hadn't defeated the Spanish Armada.  Proof positive that God is a Protestant Englishman.  (This was firmly believed by British Protestants for centuries).

    If God want to send us a message, why doesn't he just use Western Union (or, for that matter, Twitter.).  

  •  Reminds me of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (0+ / 0-)

    Shortly after 9/11 Falwell went on the air with Robertson and proclaimed 9/11 was the result of feminism, Gays, and Lesbian witches.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    As to the whole Catholic thing. This group is really reprehensible. They must find the current Pope Francis to be close to the anti-Christ.

    That being said, I agree with Dan Savage that Catholic priests and archbishops have no excuse talking about the morality of others until they acknowledge their own failings with pedophilia.

  •  Not a new idea/ (0+ / 0-)

    Several prominent Protestant right-wing preachers blamed Katrina on New Orleans tolerating gays.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 09:27:37 PM PST

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