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CO Recall: In the face of a likely recall election, Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak has opted to resign, a move that short-circuits the recall effort. A Hudak loss would have handed control of the Senate to Republicans, who are now just one seat shy of the majority following two successful recalls of other Democratic lawmakers earlier this year. Now, however, the recall won't take place, and Democrats will be able to appoint a replacement (though that person will have to seek re-election in 2014, whereas Hudak would have served until 2016).

Hudak's decision, while highly unusual, isn't actually that surprising, and we discussed this very possibility when news of a new recall drive first emerged. Hudak's seat is only light blue, and she won both of her prior races by very narrow margins, plus she was also term-limited. Given the ugly dropoff in Democratic turnout in the prior recalls, she'd have been looking at steep odds. Instead, she decided to truly take one for the team.

But while Democrats will retain their majority, the gun activists who have forced and threatened all of these recalls can claim another victim. They have reason to feel energized, and they could very well look for a different recall target; given the number of Democrats who occupy marginal seats, conservatives have plenty of other alternatives. As we've said repeatedly since the first two recalls, this falloff in Democratic performance in non-presidential races is a deeply disturbing phenomenon, given that it's now gone so far as to turn lawmakers out of office without even conducting an election! Who out there is working on fixing this?


AR-Sen: Republican Rep. Tom Cotton's latest ad features his mother touting his military service. Somewhat surprisingly (to me, anyway), she also mentions that he went to Harvard! Meanwhile, Americans United for Change is attacking Cotton with an ad of their own, featuring an angle I don't recall seeing before. The spot criticizes Cotton for supporting legislation that would allegedly allow "big banks" to charge higher fees for mortgages and allow them to "reopen the same old loopholes that led to the subprime mortgage disaster." The production values aren't great, but the subject matter strikes me as potentially potent.

PA-Sen: PPP takes a very early look at GOP Sen. Pat Toomey's re-election prospects in 2016. Toomey's tied with ex-Rep. Joe Sestak, his 2010 opponent who has already announced his intention to seek a rematch, at 42 apiece. He also trails state AG Kathleen Kane 46-42. A Quinnipiac poll from June had Toomey up 42-37 over Sestak.

WY-Sen: Americans for Job Security, a conservative group, is harassing Republican Sen. Mike Enzi with a new ad that attacks him for... supporting Obamacare? Yeah, Enzi's gone right along with the repeal crowd from day one, but he made the mistake of saying "I like the exchanges" and "these exchanges can be good" at a White House health care event three years ago. Bet he wishes he could unsay that now.


NJ-03: We have two more Republicans who are reportedly (or actually) considering bids for the open 3rd: Berkeley Township Council President James Byrnes and Randolph Township Mayor Tom MacArthur. Weirdly, Randolph is in North Jersey, much like the hometown of another potential GOP candidate, Steve Lonegan. So far, the only declared Republican is Assemblyman David Wolfe.

Other Races:

VA-AG: As expected, Republican Mark Obenshain, who lost to Democrat Mark Herring by 165 votes according to the state's certified election results, will seek a recount in the Virginia attorney general's race. Obenshain's campaign says it expects the process to begin in the middle of December, and it should last two to three days. (Further legal challenges could then be possible at that point.)

Unlike the recount in the 2005 AG contest, though, far more ballots will be reviewed, thanks to legislation sponsored by that year's loser, state Sen. Creigh Deeds. The Virginia Public Access Project estimates that some 712,000 ballots—a third of those cast—will be re-run through optical scan machines; last time, a mere 7,500 were. You have to imagine this increases the chances for a larger swing than in 2005, when the margin shifted by only 37 votes (in favor of the winner, Bob McDonnell).

For an interesting historical perspective on statewide recounts, check out Fairvote. Since 2000, there have only been 19 nationwide, and just three of those (WA-Gov in 2004, VT Auditor in 2006, and MN-Sen in 2008) wound up altering the election night outcome. With a current margin of 0.007 percent, the AG's race is closer than any other in that timeframe, pre-recount, though a couple (including WA-Gov) ended up even tighter. The median post-recount shift has been 0.015 percent, double the current spread.

Grab Bag:

WATN?: Of course:

Lieberman on if he would be lobbyist, 12/11/12: "No I'm not going to do that"

Today: Lieberman registers as lobbyist

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 05:00 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos and Firearms Law and Policy.

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  •  LIEberman is very predictable (8+ / 0-)

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 05:21:02 AM PST

  •  Wow what spine (1+ / 0-)
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    enemy of the people

    Just like a big % of democrats they lack spine.

  •  After what Hudak said... (13+ / 0-) that rape victim, she deserved to lose her seat.
    At least she did it in a way that, at least temporarily, kept a Republican from taking it.

    Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before...

    by Tom Seaview on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:17:23 AM PST

    •  A similar Republican comment: (13+ / 0-)
      women’s bodies know if they are “legitimate rape” victims and automatically can just “shut down” a resulting unwanted pregnancy
      was met by howls of anger.

      Hudak?  Given a bye as she's talking "gun safety" and "we all know" how you'd rather be raped, than use violence against violence.  
      Making a target of your rapist, removes any legitimate "victimhood" from the target of the rape.
      A lesson in morality, Hudak conveyed to the young woman, testifying before the legislature.

      •  There is nothing noble or virtuous (1+ / 0-)
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        about being violated rather than using force against the person trying to violate you. There is also nothing feminist about saying to a woman, "If you had a gun, the big strong man just would have taken it from you anyway.".

        This is one of the problems I have with the brand of privileged pacifism being pushed by Hudak and others; there's a definite sexist undercurrent to it that goes unchallenged by those who should be calling it out.

        •  Very interesting user name you have there. (1+ / 0-)
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          We're in agreement on the sexist undercurrent.

          •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
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            43north, FrankRose

            Long and uninteresting story on the username. It's more of a private joke than anything else. Although I speak very little Russian (like maybe a handful of words) I do have an appreciation for fine Russian firearms and some Russian culture and history. And vodka.

            I've tried to talk to some people about the horribly sexist implications of statements like Hudak's. Usually in relation to the mistaken correlation made between women murdered by abusive partners using firearms with women who purchase firearms for self-defense. It's taking two non-overlapping or barely-overlapping data sets and claiming that they match up completely and in the process it makes a pretty vile statement. That being, "You're a weak little woman and you're never going to be able to defend yourself against a big strong man. Better to just lie there and take it or you'll just make it worse on yourself.". I find that unacceptable.

  •  There's a rightward shift taking place in (8+ / 0-)

    Colorado--the gun control push hurt Democrats in this state. Most polls coming out of Colorado these days are bad for democrats, even on the presidential level.

    •  I expected push back, backlash, (5+ / 0-)

      or whatever you want to call it.  We need to respond strongly to minimize the damage.

    •  Doing nothing wasn't a good option either (14+ / 0-)

      The Democratically controlled state legislature in 2012 did some amazing things including responsible gun regulations.

      The gun zealots have repeated the lie that gun regulation is equivalent to gun confiscation.  They got away with it in 2013 but next year they will have to face the fact that not a single responsible gun owner in Colorado got their gun confiscated and the death merchant Magpul whose 30 shot magazines were used at Newtown will still be in Colorado.

      Democrats will still control the legislature in 2014 and will have another year to control the agenda and pass progressive legislation.  If election prospects for 2014 don't favor Democrats then they can at least be comforted by the fact that they got things done when they had the chance.  The Colorado health exchanges are working great and are a bright spot too.

      Go Colorado Dems. and don't let up.  Hudak for all her flaws did the right thing.

    •  Not as hard right as you think (0+ / 0-)

      there is an effort to find and run candidates who can win...Colorado is divided three ways...And we have outsized corporate influence over our Governor...Big oil and gas...this whole kerfuffle about gun control is a smoke screen for more corporate abuse of our state...That is what all the secession talk and vote was about, unhindered exploitation of public resources by corporate bullies...MONEY talks huh?  It is a gop/bagger power grab... this is quite obvious...the frustrating part of this is that the effort is visible and few care...our little valley just had a major layoff by Billy Bob Koch and his mine...there is talk of more layoffs at other propaganda is more effective in this environment of fear and anxiety for their jobs...gun control is not the real issue here...

    •  Typical (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe Democrats shouldn't try to grab people's rights by subverting the constitution the minute they gain the majority... could make their careers longer.

      A chance to do good things and build a solidly blue state for generations... In a state where they knew god damn well that this would be the reaction, pissed away by their knee-jerk hatred for those nasty gun people. Well played, dems. Well played. Those libertarians you courted will never trust you again.

      •  Bullshit (6+ / 0-)

        Nobody's rights were subverted and your Republican talking points are pure bullshit.

        •  So much bullshit, in fact (1+ / 0-)
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          That the left is now running for the hills and resorting to resignations to cling to the majority a little longer because they are deathly afraid of facing the electorate. But hey, great counter points you raised there, champ. You laid out an astounding rebuttal there.

          •  "Afraid of facing the electorate" (5+ / 0-)

            is quite the overstatement. What you have happening here are special elections, easily arranged by petition, setting up an electorate that is far more Republican than that in general elections. Any gains Republicans make here can easily be given back in a typical November.

            The rules in CO for calling a special are way too lax. They need to be tightened. You shouldn't be able to call an election simply because you disagree with someone's vote on something. That's what the next general election is for.

            •  By all means... (0+ / 0-)

              Exploit the rules to retain the majority, while excoriating the right for doing the same thing.

              If the majority electorate agreed with these laws, or at least cared about them they would turn out to support the recalled incumbents. We saw how that worked out last time, so hey, let's just work the  metagame, and blame the system when people reject us!


              •  I hestitate (1+ / 0-)
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                to respond, as the tone of your comments suggests we're not going to get anywhere. And the last line of your comment above is borderline HR-worthy, as you're essentially flinging personal insults.

                But on the merits, I'll just point out that nowhere above did I say anything about exploiting anything to retain a majority. Nor am I excoriating the right -- at all. On a purely political level, this is extremely smart of them.

                And third, I don't believe Dems should do anything about the recall rules at any point before the next general election. And they should make it clear in advance that this is what they intend to do. That way, the electorate will have had a chance to weigh that information in their votes next November.

                Based on the way recalls have worked elsewhere (including with Dems as the proponents in Wisconsin), people just get sick and tired of them. Especially indies and swing voters. So I highly doubt that advocating changes to those rules would hurt the electoral chances of the average Dem candidate.

                •  Hesitate, I meant n/t (0+ / 0-)
                •  You're right (0+ / 0-)

                  It is smart from a political perspective. The sad thing is that this is what substitutes for leadership now. Rather than trying to actually do some good, most of a politician's time is spent figuring out how to gain political advantage and little else, when if they actually made good law, they wouldn't need to wrangle advantage through playing the metagame.

                  It's certainly not the system that was intended, and I grow tired of listening and reading on a daily basis about the fuffery these people are involved in rather than actually trying to govern. I'd like to see a lot of this horseshit cut out, and the people who practice said horseshit to lose their seats.

                  Even sadder are the masses that cheer them on, like we're watching a fucking baseball game or something. It's to these people that my hypocrite comment applies.

            •  And all Morse & Giron had was solidly (1+ / 0-)
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              Tom Seaview

              Democratic districts that voted for Obama by 19 points & a 6-1 spending advantage, in a state that had never had so much as a single successful recall petition in its 137 year history.

              Honestly, how many humiliating & unprecedented losses do we have to endure before you drop this?

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:42:47 PM PST

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              •  Morse was not in a solidly Dem district and (2+ / 0-)
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                PassionateJus, coquiero

                had mail in ballots been allowed he would have won. Giron faced a divided Dem party in Pueblo - she was not universally liked and would have been challenged in 2014. You need better facts.

                •  Morse's district (11) has a solid registered Dem (2+ / 0-)
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                  Tom Seaview, Kasoru


                  23,334 registered Democrats
                  18,174 registered Republicans.

                  Results are for winners
                  Excuses are for losers
                  Making excuses for managing to lose a Democratic seat in a Democratic district, in an election during a non-election year, in a state that has never had a single recall in its 137 history...all while enjoying a 6-1 spending advantage and then managing to repeat this unprecedented & humiliating loss twice more is giving reality the finger.

                  Reality has now told you the facts of the matter three times.
                  I would suggest you start listening.....I am confident that the party has.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 10:36:49 AM PST

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        •  Bullshit. (1+ / 0-)
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          Tom Seaview

          A ban is, by definition, an infringement of liberty.

          The people of Colorado did nothing wrong, yet their elected officials decided to punish them.
          .......and the voters, punished them right back.

          How many more seats do we have to lose because of this nonsense?

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:40:11 PM PST

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      •  BS - Colorado hunters supported those bills (1+ / 0-)
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      •  The only "RIGHTS" you have in this world (4+ / 0-)

        are to breath and die.  Everything else you get in life is dependent on your culture and the times.  Even your food and shelter are optional depending on the culture you live in.

        This whole narrative about "rights" being taken away is such a deliberate lie.  Society can decide at any time to change their mores and guidelines to social conduct to meet a changing environment.  Not one single responsible gun owner has had his guns confiscated since the new regulations went into effect.  Background checks to make it more difficult for known criminals and domestic abusers to obtain lethal weapons for their crimes doesn't subvert anyone's "right" to own a gun and just might save some lives.

        Surely you were being facetious about Democrats courting Libertarians.  Libertarians are more anti-government than the Tea Party.  If Democrats want to continue to set a progressive and Climate Change aware agenda then they need the support of Soccer Moms, minorities and people who want to live in safe communities which is an easy majority to achieve in Colorado.

        I went with my high school children to Clement Park the weekend after the Columbine shootings to take posters of condolences from their high school.  Preventing senseless shootings and the death of innocents is a real issue in Colorado and every society has a "right" to defend itself by regulating dangerous products so that they don't fall into the hands of dangerous people.

  •  There's a group here at DK that has been working (10+ / 0-)

    on fixing this. It's silly to lose Democratic seats over the gun issue.

    Sensible gun laws go over well with 90% of the electorate, restrictions just to limit peoples ownership of guns don't.

    If we want to keep on losing elections here in CO this is a way to go, if we don't maybe we should look at things from a different perspective.

    The question is, is there a place for Democrats who don't want to lose elections and don't want to restrict gun ownership to speak up for this issue. Not at DK.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:33:54 AM PST

    •  Gun ownership (10+ / 0-)

      The new laws did not restrict gun ownership. Background checks and limits on magazine rounds does not restrict ownership - that is just gop talking points.

      •  I'm a precinct captain for the Democratic Party in (12+ / 0-)

        Colorado. I'm one of the people who would have been walking Hudak's district ringing doorbells to get out the vote. If I say something you can rest assured it's not a Republican talking point.

        A magazine is something you own.

        I'll bet you don't come from Colorado.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:53:49 AM PST

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        •  A magazine is something you own, but (2+ / 0-)
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          James Allen, stevenaxelrod

          you said, "The question is, is there a place for Democrats who don't want to lose elections and don't want to restrict GUN ownership. . ."  A magazine is something you own, but it is NOT a gun.  

          "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War. for healthcare coverage in Kentucky

          by SouthernLeveller on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:05:09 AM PST

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        •  I'm a Colorado native, gun owner and hunter (7+ / 0-)

          Non of the laws restricted gun ownership - that is a gop talking point I don't care who uses it.

        •  I live in SD 19 as well (2+ / 3-)
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          bufffan20, DCCyclone
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          Tom Seaview, ER Doc, Kasoru

          I was out working for Evie knowing that it was uphill because of how low the turnout would be.  A lot of those signatures are going to be invalid because when the wing-nuts are pay $3 and then $5 per signature there is a powerful motive to cheat.

          These new laws were common sense and anyone who says otherwise is a gutless coward kneeling before the gun-fetishists.

          Ban Nock- you have no place in my party and I will be at the caucuses and the state convention listening for treasonous drivel like this and I will do all I can to make sure you no longer represent Jefferson County Democrats in any way, shape or form.

          The man in the suit has just bought a new car with the profit he made from your dreams... (-7.00, -5.64)

          by markc9503 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 11:08:51 AM PST

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          •  Hungry? (3+ / 0-)
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            gerrilea, ER Doc, Kasoru
            Ban Nock- you have no place in my party
            Have a donut.

            Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before...

            by Tom Seaview on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:36:12 PM PST

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          •  Keep talking your shit....You'll be a party (3+ / 0-)
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            ER Doc, Kasoru, FrankRose

            of NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            As a non-gun owner, life-long registered democrat and one whom votes, I'm sick of the demagoguery and authoritarianism.

            Don't believe for a moment that ANY gun control is "reasonable".

            From where I'm sitting, it's destroyed the very fabric of this Nation!

            Let's review what it's brought us, shall we?

            -Permanent tax breaks for the wealthiest 1%.
            -Manufacturing jobs sent to slave-labored countries, forcing millions of Americans into perpetual poverty.
            -Endless unfunded wars that have nearly bankrupted us.
            -The theft of millions of Americans homes, THAT DID BANKRUPT US!
            -A racist drug war that has generationally destroyed the African-American family.
            -Saw the creation of the School-To-Prison Pipeline enriching the Prison Industrial Complex.
            -Saw the slow dismantling of our Social Safety Nets to the point that a fucking sitting "Democratic" President believes Social Security should be cut! While said same POTUS shredded the Constitution more so than any Republican has!

            I could continue but I think you're getting the Goddamn POINT!

            IF your "reasonable" gun control was so wonderful and so universally accepted by begging masses, then why the hell did it take Sandy Hook to get you to pass it????????????

            Why didn't you do it 10 yrs ago? Hell, even 5 years ago when WE THE PEOPLE, GAVE YOU TOTAL CONTROL OF EVERY BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT??????

            What did we get instead? Mandatory Services from private for-profit corporations!  WHICH saw us loose control of the HOUSE!

            Keep living in your damn bubble of "Yes men", people like me are sick of the Zealots that have highjacked our party resulting in us losing everything that once defined us as DEMOCRATS.

            Your "Precious" has all but destroyed this nation!

            And Mister, I'm here to tell you. We won't let you do it again!

            I'm here to elect more AND BETTER Democrats!


            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:43:59 PM PST

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            •  This is one of the most confusing comments (6+ / 0-)

              I've ever read. I honestly have no idea what your point is or even whether you are pro or anti-gun control

              27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

              by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:50:05 PM PST

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              •  That's because you can't either read or aren't (2+ / 0-)
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                ER Doc, FrankRose

                paying attention.

                Our gun control push in the '90's lost us control of this nation for the past 20 yrs.  Moved the "talking points" so fucking far to the right, that we now have a sitting "democratic president" that tells me his policies are "moderate republican"!

                But of course, you don't understand any of the actual history I've had to live through, right?

                I'll refresh your memory:

                We used to be this!

                As it stands, I'm against Gun Control and I've never owned a firearm because I've already seen what it's wrought! And I hate history repeating itself!

                Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don’t trivialize gun culture

                “You have the power to really democratize America,” Clinton said. “You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues."


                “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:15:49 PM PST

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                •  Wow you just linked to a stupid Newsroom speech (4+ / 0-)

                  to make your point. If you're trolling you're doing an excellent job because that was one of the most funny posts I've read in quite some time.

                  27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

                  by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:18:34 PM PST

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                •  Democrats Suck. (2+ / 0-)
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                  LordMike, gabjoh

                  If you think that Democrats will stop sucking if they drop the gun control issue, you are mistaken. There is no one reason/issue that makes Democrats disappointing. Going on a crusade to purge the party of gun-control supporters will just reveal other more fundamental reasons for the failure of Democrats on economic issues. You have been tricked by the right-wing into believing that gun control is responsible for everything that's disappointing about Democrats. The right uses these arguments to divide Democrats, because they know that many Democrats are cowards and because we have a coalition that is more difficult to hold together.

                  Debate over gun control was basically nonexistent during Obama's first term, when there was much disappointment surrounding the Democrats' economic agenda. Don't play into the hands of the right-wing, please.

         Students for a New American Politics!

                  by redrelic17 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:23:22 PM PST

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                  •  You know what, I live in Buffalo New York. (2+ / 0-)
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                    ER Doc, MertvayaRuka

                    More specifically, Erie County.

                    This past election, we lost all control of this county.

                    Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

                    GOP sweeps Erie County

                    We, here in New York, passed "Gun Control".

                    As it stands, 54 out of 62 Counties have passed resolutions against it.

                    Gun control is the only issue, sadly.

                    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                    by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:40:05 PM PST

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                    •  I'll golden shower wherever I want (1+ / 0-)
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                      27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

                      by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:47:19 PM PST

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                    •  'Cos there's nothing else going on... (0+ / 0-)

             the state or the nation that could have caused a bad election in Erie county.... nothing.

                      The gun control measures were voted by a bipartisan majority and still have high approval throughout the state.  It's really easy to pick on gun issues as the "one" thing that causes all sorts of problems, but it's a heck of a lot more complex than that.


                      by LordMike on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:57:48 PM PST

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                      •  The "high approval throughout the state" is (4+ / 0-)
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                        ER Doc, Kasoru, FrankRose, Tom Seaview

                        a lie, it's only the counties in and around NYC.

                        What part of 52 counties out of 62 doesn't add up for you?

                        The majority of the county legislatures have passed resolutions against the Safe Act.

                        You can't obfuscate that fact, I live here.

                        Opposition to SAFE Act is widespread, growing

                        Hell, even the absurd unconstitutional Patriot Act never had so much opposition here as does this "gun control".

                        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                        by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:29:28 PM PST

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                        •  number of counties means nothing (0+ / 0-)

                          Obama won Nevada last year but only won 2 counties.

                          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                          by James Allen on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 12:09:46 AM PST

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                          •  I have no faith in our criminal, privately owned (2+ / 0-)
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                            Tom Seaview, Kasoru

                            S-election systems.

                            Bev Harris, the Brad Blog and Greg Palast continue to expose the "glitches".

                            That said and accepted.

                            Erie County is the most populous Western County in NY and it went Republican.

                            NYC is not New York State, period.  They steal our water and our electric and then I pay twice as much as any place in this nation for them.

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 02:22:21 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  then how do you know the results of the Colorado (0+ / 0-)

                            elections were accurate?

                            * mindblown *

                            Because that's silly conspiracy theory shit.

                            ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                            by James Allen on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 10:47:43 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  We don't, sadly. (0+ / 0-)

                            And it isn't CT, just because Markos & Bev had a "falling out" and he refuses to discuss this issue here, doesn't make it any less legitimate.


                            Note the actual video of thieve stealing boxes of votes. Why haven't we been up in arms about this?


                            It's clear to me there's a concerted effort to hide the truth from the American people.


                            Educate yourself before you speak to me again on this subject.  I've spent hundreds of hours actively fighting to keep our election systems secure, especially here in New York, where I live.  Despite the false claim of "glitches".



                            "Chain of Custody", machines having votes already in them and vote flipping are the biggest "glitches".

                            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                            by gerrilea on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 05:19:30 AM PST

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                •  So, what you are saying is that we sit here... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ...and do nothing while millions die because some firearm fetishist doesn't want to wait 5 minutes to get another tool of death.  No wonder it took 100 years to get health care reform done.  No one had the guts to do the right thing.

                  At least the teabaggers fight for what they believe in.


                  by LordMike on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:00:15 PM PST

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                  •  Millions??? Prove it. (5+ / 0-)

                    Poll: Gun Homicides Down Sharply, But Few Americans Aware

                    The rate of firearm homicide in 2010 was down 49 percent from its peak in 1993, according to Pew, while the rate of nonfatal violent crime involving guns was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993. In both cases, the bulk of the decline took place during the 1990s.

                    A separate Department of Justice study, also released this week, showed similar figures, with firearm homicides dropping 39 percent, largely between 1993 and 1998

                    The right thing??? Odd, truly odd.   It seems we are doing something, without the government.  Our society is moving forward without the authoritarianism you espouse.

                    Wanna save lives? Legalize drugs. Empty the prisons, prosecute the actual criminals in this nation and let people live their lives.

                    California Marijuana Decriminalization Drops Youth Crime Rate To Record Low: Study

                    See how that works yet???

                    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                    by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:38:26 PM PST

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          •  I don't live down in the city, I'd volunteer to (5+ / 0-)
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            GOTV because I like electing Dems. I live in Weld County, Dems up here like guns and some even wear cowboy boots.

            “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

            by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:56:45 PM PST

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          •  Oh, and we elect precinct representatives to the (4+ / 0-)
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            county primaries when we have our own primaries at our polling place. You're welcome to come on up though.

            “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

            by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:58:08 PM PST

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          •  You managed to make it clear that many people (1+ / 0-)
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            have no place in 'your party'.

            You managed to cost us three election losses in a non-election year.

            And that's exactly why I have the utmost faith that my party will treat your viewpoint with all the respect it deserves & was treated with for the past 20 years.

            Enjoy the corner, son. You're going to be there for awhile.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:49:59 PM PST

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      •  DK talking points (4+ / 0-)
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        When you disagree with somebody, immediately accuse them of spouting "GOP talking points". In the absence of any real argument, This will shut your interlocutor up long enough for the rest of the community to pile on, effectively squashing the hurtful speech of people who might convince others they make sense.

        I'm so sick and tired of hearing this bullshit "GOP talking points" comment. This is the left wing equivalent of the reductio ad hitlerum that the right practices. Either present facts to back up your assertions or STFU, for fuck's sake.

        I'm downvoting every post like this from bere forward. I invite you to join me.

    •  most laws do no good (2+ / 0-)
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      I am not saying the laws would not be useful, but overall they would hardly help any high profile situations.

      No gun laws proposed would deter a person from driving around with a loaded gun looking for an excuse to kill someone, be it a robber, or a person in hoodie.  We blame the Stand Your Ground laws, but really that was just the sympton.  The cause is that too many see these people carrying loaded guns as defenders, not as premeditated murderers.  I doubt seriously if you took a survey that most people would think Zimmerman was a person who planned to commit murder, and was just looking for opportunity.  No, I think most Americans would say he just a person who was prepared to defend himself.

      Likewise having an arsena in the homel is seen as a reasonable thing.  No gun control laws would have prevent the Newtown Elementary massacre.  A few less people might have died, but the issue was that a ordinary people were suprised that guns were used to kill people.  That is what guns are for.  Sure, some guns are used to hunt.  But guns are not like knives, in which the murdering kind are largely illegal to carry around.  You can freely own guns that were made primarily to murder.  And few of the laws would stop it.  We think that having an arsenal means you are a responsible home owner.  After all, in the US we routinely have roving gangs of heavily armed highwaymen killing massive number of people.  Well, we do, but they tend to be the people who have arsenals.

      So what would make a difference?  For one thing insurance.  I have to have insurance for my car because even though it is 99% a tool, like guns, there is the 1% of the cases that it might do significant harm.  So as a society we have insurance.  Nine states evidently have proposed this for guns.  The problem is that intentional criminal actions are exempted.  Which makes them useless.

      It is like drunk driving.  If someone hurts another person while driving drunk, or totals a car, the insurance generally pays at least for the victims car.  Likewise if someone goes out and kills 22 people at a school, the insurance can cover liability for that.  Drunk driving can be a felony if someone is killed.

      Furthermore, like guns, the drunk driving problem is mostly an issue of perspective.   When the younger Bush was going around new england driving drunk, it was a time when people thought what else are you going to do?  You go out drinking, of course you are going to drive home drunk.  What are we going to do, close down all the bars? It is a risk.  We all drink, we all drive, so live with it. I don't think that the harassment of drunk drivers that were do no immediate harm really caused the changed.  It was a change in society, a change in the way that people were held up to the consequences of their actions, for instance driving dangerously, and the insurance was effected as a result.

      So until the culture changes the laws are going to do little good. Crazy people are going to be encouraged to carry their loaded guns looking for an excuse.  Crazy parents are going to be encouraged to build arsenals to supply their crazy kids with what they need to have fun in a  massacre.  And laws that can do real good, like real liability insurance, automatic manslaughter charges for people like Zimmerman, are going to be thrown aside for meaningless gun control laws.

      •  Thoughtful but no. (0+ / 0-)

        According to a news report (too old to link) according to the CA insurance commission 2/3 of auto insurance claims are padded and the remaining 1/3 are outright fraud. Insurance invariably generates corruption. In the long run it does more harm than good.

    •  The problem with gun control... (5+ / 0-)

      ..has long been that far more people feel passionate about "gun rights" than "gun control."  The question is not where people stand on the issue but whether it makes them more likely to come to the polls and whether it can sway their vote from a candidate they are comfortable with to another one they are less comfortable with.

      In short how many folks who are in favor of gun control have it as an issue they care more about than say abortion, gay rights, taxes, health care, national defense, and civil liberties?

      If the Democrats ran a pro-NRA candidate against Sen. Pat Toomey in 2016 (who voted for background checks) how many of you would vote for Pat Toomey knowing he's terrible on everything else?

      The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

      by Taget on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:33:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's fantasy to believe (10+ / 0-)

      That different gun safety laws would not have been met with the same reaction by the NRA and its supporters. They are hostile to absolutely every attempt to regulate guns in any way, no matter how mild, reasonable, or supported in the polls, and every such law is treated as an attempt at "gun grabbing."

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      by David Nir on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:45:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I sure don't hear many complaints about expanded (4+ / 0-)

        background checks. I'm not on the NRA's mailing list and I dont' read any of their web sites but most people seem genuinely not happy with the magazine restrictions.

        Background checks and conceal carry classes are simply hoops to jump through, a magazine restriction limits a thing that is part of a firearm that used to be legal.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 04:07:50 PM PST

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    •  As a Denverite, I am in 100% agreement. (8+ / 0-)

      It is not up to the legislature to force a set of laws that are of no interest to the populace and stir up a conservative hornet's nest. This is Colorado, not NYC. This was a stupid and pointless loss of Democratic legislators, which reversed years of slow progress in making the state blue. The "let's do it for the children" meme just doesn't play here. Now we have to deal with all the bullshit that comes along with a Republican legislature. It really pisses me off.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 09:11:13 AM PST

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      •  We don't have a republican legislature (3+ / 0-)
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        And the two recall seats stand a better than average chance of returning Democratic in the next election. Statewide those laws were supported by over 70% of the people.

        •  Colorado has gone back and forth (5+ / 0-)

          between Republican legislators - in the state Senate and House, as well as Gov and Senators. Right now, there are more Republican Congressman than Democrats. Don't take anything for granted here. Imposing gun control is a proven loser, not speculative.

          "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

          by shmuelman on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 12:20:00 PM PST

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          •  Don't agree with you at all (2+ / 0-)
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            Yes, Colorado has gone back and forth - from time to time. As for congressional seats, there will be one less when coffman is defeated next year. And you are wrong. The laws that were passed were supported by a statewide majority of 70%.

            •  that 70% is laughable. Tell it to Hickenlooper or (4+ / 0-)
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              even more worrisome Mark Udall.

              “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

              by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 04:10:21 PM PST

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              •  They both will get re-elected handily - (1+ / 0-)
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                can you prove otherwise? The republicans have no one sane to run. In 2010, in the gop landslide Bennet won over Buck and Hickenlooper beat the gop bagger candidate. Plus Udall and Hick are popular in Colorado. You think Coffman isn't worried about Romanoff?

                •  Re-elected handily? You know the future? (1+ / 0-)
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                  This is total, idle speculation, nothing more. Though I think Udall is safe, Hickenlooper is not especially popular.  You are counting on the fact that they will face weak Republican opposition. Coloradans voted for a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, they voted for TABOR which is still crippling the state. There is a very conservative streak here. And you don't know other less probable scenarios, like a candidate gets sick and can't run. And worrying about and being defeated are two vastly different things. I don't understand how you can make comments about the future as a foregone conclusion. It can't be done.

                  "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

                  by shmuelman on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 10:04:45 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

    •  I found this out recently myself... (3+ / 0-)
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      gerrilea, ban nock, FrankRose

      I'm pretty sure the people you're looking for are called "left libertarian". Welcome to the fold.

  •  GOP in Colorado is extremly radical (6+ / 0-)

    Dems may try and recall several vulnerable gop state senators. Going into 2014, guns won't be the big issue. Instead, look for gop candidates coffman, tancredo and others to say something extreme and stupid. This will continue to cost the gop until they become less radical and it helps Colorado to continue in its blue direction. That and good Democratic candidates.

  •  Dems control Colorado govt., they should (8+ / 0-)

    re-write the recall laws to specify a higher threshhold (more sigs., or felony/misdemeanor conviction).


    If Jesus had a gun, he'd be alive today.

    by PBJ Diddy on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:38:44 AM PST

  •  VA-AG. The optical scan (7+ / 0-)

    ballots are especially concentrated in blue areas, such as Fairfax and Richmond city.   There were quite a few undervotes, and thus it is more likely that Herring will gain votes.

  •  Colo GOP negates any adverse regular election... (5+ / 0-)

    So long as a sufficient turnout differential exists between regular biennial general elections and special recall elections, the GOP can effectively undo the result of enough general election legislative seats to maintain a controlling majority of seats, even when they lose these elective seats by clear majorities in the regular elections.

    HOW-EVER it's only accurate to point out that the dems themselves got the ball rolling on this idea in Wisconsin, attempting to recall Scott Walker and several GOP state legislators there.  In making this observation, I nevertheless thorougly detest and disapprove of the GOP assholes and their anti-progressive agenda in both Colorado and Wisconsin; I'm only pointing out what a Pandora's box recall elections can become - a tactic open to both progressives and hard-core right wingers to use as best they can under the particular terrain of any state or electorial district.

    •  No, the GOP started the recall nonsense (3+ / 0-)
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      When they successfully recalled California Governor Davis a decade ago.

      Intelligence agencies keep things secret because they often violate the rule of law or of good behavior. -Julian Assange-

      by ChadmanFL on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 12:24:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  True, but we lost standing to object in Wisc... (0+ / 0-)

        ...perhaps it's time to recognize that for better or worse, we either have to accept the legitimacy of recalls together with the fact that the recall dynamic can work both ways, depending on the local political landscape, or else we need to work to sharply curtail it, even though it might sometimes leave realy troglydites in office for full terms we might have gotten rid of earlier if recall elections were available.

  •  Diarist has attempted to equate.... (13+ / 0-)

    'Democrat' with 'gun control advocate', a connection proved to be specious at best in the previous recall elections.

    Good luck with that.

    Your hate-mail will be graded.

    by PavePusher on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 07:15:40 AM PST

  •  $ell 0ut-i$m and its yuppie neolib lie$ do NOT (0+ / 0-)

    inspire the working stiffs to vote for people who lie to them and sell them out ... wow. what a shock.

    Hey!! I got an idea!!

    Just Blame The Underlings for NOT supporting sell outs! AND, threaten them with evil fascists ... !!!!

    the whole DLC neolib branch is a f'king cancer I will NEVER ever vote for or do anything for.


    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 07:19:53 AM PST

  •  There's another reason for not having a CO recall (5+ / 0-)
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    The low Dem turnout in the CO recalls was largely due to the lack of mail ballots.

    What happened was that the libertarians managed to derail mail balloting (which is now the default in CO), by petitioning for a candidate. The ballots were already printed and being sent out. They then didn't run one. The mail ballots couldn't be used. The lack of mail ballots took the turnout way down.

    Evidently this problem, or one related, will come up in any recall election--but not in a regular or special election. I'm uncertain of all the legalities, but that was one of the considerations for Hudak.

    Resistance to tyranny is man's highest ideal. --Emma Goldman

    by Siusaidh on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 07:39:23 AM PST

  •  CO recall (5+ / 0-)

    A shame that she had to resign, but from a strategy standpoint, it was probably the right thing to do.

    VA-AG - keeping fingers crossed.

  •  A recount, huh? Funny. (1+ / 0-)
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    I remember when seeking a recount made one a "sore loser."

  •  Colorado will replace on 12/10. Former Rep. Sara (3+ / 0-)
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    Gagliardi is in position to be a care taker for the seat until November. She is a solid labor democrat that served two terms in the House before being taken out in the wave of 2010.

  •  It's the weed (1+ / 0-)
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    THis is what happens when you legalize marijuana.

  •  OH-GOV: Fudge finally endorses FitzGerald. (2+ / 0-)
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    From the Plain Dealer:

    The drama and the suspense are over. U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge, who very publicly had been withholding her endorsement of fellow Democrat Ed FitzGerald in next year's race for governor, has thrown her support to the Cuyahoga County executive.

    Fudge, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus and the former mayor of Warrensville Heights, will make her backing officials at 10 a.m. Friday during an event with FitzGerald at the Cleveland Public Library's Memorial-Nottingham branch.

    “Before being elected to Congress, I was a mayor, and it’s this perspective that makes me certain that Ed FitzGerald is the right kind of leader to get Ohio back on track," Fudge said in a preview of her remarks released early by the FitzGerald campaign.

    Perhaps this, combined with the fact that FitzGerald made his ticket diverse by selecting an African-American running mate, will help to consolidate his support within the African-American community.

    19, FL-07. University of Central Florida student pursuing a B.A. in Political Science, future teacher, and hopeful presidential candidate in 2044. "The Republican vision is clear: I've got mine, the rest of you are on your own." -Elizabeth Warren.

    by Tyler Yeargain on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 11:00:32 AM PST

  •  Shameless diary self-promotion: (1+ / 0-)
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    We are having another special election in Wisconsin, Dec. 17. This election, although in a more conservative area, could prove to be site of a Dem upset. Read more here:

    "Go Forth in Love and Peace" --Be Kind to Dogs -- And Vote Democratic" --Dying words of Senator Thomas Eagleton, 2007

    by BlueSasha on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 11:24:06 AM PST

  •  Man (6+ / 0-)

    nothing like the Colorado recalls seems to bring the RKBA concern trolls out in full force.

    •  I've sadly noticed. :( (2+ / 0-)
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      Most of RKBA seems to post on literally nothing but gun diaries.  Gosh, I wonder why?

      "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

      by auron renouille on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 12:37:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •   RKBA? (0+ / 0-)

      Excuse my ignorance but what does RKBA stand for?

      Vote Democratic. We're not perfect-but they're NUTS! - Barney Frank

      by Minnesota Mike on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:35:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  So, do you think Bill Clinton is a "concern troll" (4+ / 0-)
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      as well????

      “Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.


      “Do not be self-congratulatory about how brave you are for being for this” gun control push, he said. “The only brave people are the people who are going to lose their jobs if they vote with you.”

      It seems he was correct!

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:55:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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        When (if!) those politicians lose their jobs, there will be a cushy lobbying job ready for them. If you serve in Congress or in a state legislature you never have to worry about where you next meal comes from. You're set for life.

        Children and teenagers are even more likely than police officers to be killed in gun violence, and Black teenagers have it the worst of all. So who is braver? The teenager who dodges bullets in a violent neighborhood or a pampered politician taking a risky vote?

        You're not even a very good concern troll, in all honesty. Students for a New American Politics!

        by redrelic17 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:05:39 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  It's an issue people are going to differ on. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm from the Northeast.  The closest I've come to living anywhere else is Ann Arbor which might as well be Long Island west.  I've lived in suburbia (Staten Island is basically suburbia even if it's part of New York City).  The closest I have come to a gun is shooting a bb gun at summer camp when I was like 9 and a few water pistols.

      I've ridden enough subways during rush hour to know you really would not want a subway car full of over stressed New Yorkers armed to the teeth.

      That is not the life experience of those who live in more rural areas with more open space and where people fend for themselves.  Particularly those who hunt are going to feel different about firearms.

      Even if I think we can all agree the NRA has gone way over the line of lunacy with stuff like pushing to allow drunk people in bars to bring guns with them.

      But it is a mistake to dismiss good Democrats who feel differently about this issue.  They are exactly the type of Democrats we have unfortunately been losing and who we need to retain.

      It's best to politely agree to disagree.

      The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

      by Taget on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 09:47:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The NRA is Mainly Toothless (2+ / 0-)
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    The CO recall elections aren't a fair arbitrator of how the majority of the citizens of CO feel about stronger gun safety regulations.

    As can be seen in all recent special elections, Democratic voters do not turn out as well for special elections than in regular elections. They just don't. Added to this fact that a court didn't allow the recall elections to be conducted by mail (which a lot of Democratic voters use) and we see the results -- two state legislators recalled in a very low turnout election by a very conservative electorate.

    This year's recalls are not an accurate forecast for next year's regular elections, which includes a governor's election. They just aren't. And anyone who says otherwise is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about.

    Especially since CO has gone to an all vote-by-mail system in which every registered voter gets a ballot and where state residents can register up to and even on the day of the election. This will produce a higher turnout of progressives.

    Meanwhile in VIRGINIA, where I live, we just had the Democrats sweep all 3 statewide executive offices, a first since 1969 (and it's actually a bigger deal since in 1969 the state party was still mostly controlled by Dixiecrats).

    Now the NRA is based in Virginia. I drive by their huge HQ all the time. And all 3 Democrats ran campaigns that, in part, attacked the NRA. McAuliffe didn't run from, but actually highlighted the fact that he has an F rating from them.

    So please, stop the hyperbole already. The NRA isn't that big a deal. Most people that are easily swayed by the NRA's politics are already Republican voters. And a lot of members disavow or ignore their politics; my step dad for instance owns several rifles, is a member of the NRA and is also a yellow dog Democrat.

    The NRA is a lot weaker than most people realize. In many parts of this country (mostly urban and some suburban) having an F rating from the NRA is a badge of honor.

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