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Josh Romney, Mitt's middle son has known ambitions to enter politics himself. Events over the last 48 hours have shown just how much he needs to learn two lessons, one urgently before he kills somebody.

Spawn of Mitt should look to the actions of a real politician, Jim Murphy a member of the Westminster parliament when reacting to an accident. Importantly he needs to know basic first aid before he interferes with accident victims.

First Josh, wearing funny underwear does not make you Superman. It does not give you X-ray vision. As I pointed out in a comment on a diary yesterday, in a high speed car crash:

.... what if one had injuries to, say a neck vertebra, which would be made worse, even life threatening, by simply moving their head?

Watch a professional extract victims from a car accident. The first thing they do is stabilize the neck and use a back board to stop movement until a proper check . X-rays are needed to ensure that somebody apparently uninjured immediately after the crash does not ends up paralyzed from the neck down as a broken bone moves and causes damage to the spinal column.

In short, if you come across an accident, you phone the emergency services. You do not attempt a "rescue" if the victims are in no immediate danger of death because of their body position or external factors like leaking petrol. You comfort and reassure them but wait until paramedics arrive or, if isolated, take advice from the 911 controllers.

If you are passing a major incident, you do what Jim Murphy did in the immediate aftermath of a helicopter crash on a bar in Glasgow where his constituency is located. You join with the other heroic passers-by and help the walking wounded out to safety. When the emergency services arrive, you withdraw; Jim described how as the firefighters took over there was an unspoken look of "thank you for your help, now let us do our job" which passed as each relieved the civilians.

If sensible advice is not enough for Spawn of Mitt, let him remember - if your stupid actions cause injury, that trust fund from Daddy can take a hit. If you want to follow Daddy into politics you also need to be ... well politic.

You do not blow your own trumpet. Most of all you do not illustrate your bragging with a picture that makes it impossible to tell what you did. The one you posted on Twitter makes you look like one of those big game hunters gurning over their kill. Incidentally, if you do release a photo, choose one which does not make you eyes look like you have such a bad strabismus you have no visible irises.

The immediate aftermath of an accident is no place for a Cheshire cat grin. If you have to stay on scene - as an MP for the area Jim Murphy was obliged to look after the interests of his constituents - let the publicity come to you. In contrast to Spawn's inane smirk, he was genuinely and deeply affected by the helicopter crash and what he had seen. When interviewed by a TV crew he barely mentioned his own actions but praised others. The interviewer pointed out that he had blood on his shirt. He looked down then back and simply said, with a re-assuring barely half smile, "Yeh, it's not mine". Today he issued a short statement that contrasts so much with Spawn's humblebrag:

Today my thoughts are with those who are affected by the Glasgow helicopter crash as well as the emergency staff who responded so quickly, bravely and brilliantly and who are still at the scene.

Last night people did what is the human instinct and helped out until the emergency crews arrived. I did little in comparison to others who did much more at the scene.

I have been contacted by various media this morning understandably wanting to talk about the events of last night. I hope journalists understand I was ok about doing that last night as someone who was there. But today it's for the emergency services to talk to the public and those families waiting for news of their loved ones.

Spawn's braggadocio is the sort of arrogance that lost Daddy Mitt the presidency. Jim Murphy's self effacing modesty gains the respect of political opponents. Even before I read the statement, I wrote a short email to him.
I am English, live in London and am a member of a rival party to your's. Despite that I hope you will accept my expression of respect and admiration for your, and other people of Glasgow, last night in becoming the first responders for the victims of the helicopter crash. On a dark day of tragedy and sadness, your courage and lack of concern for your own safety to help other human beings was a shaft of light.
Does it mean I will adopt his party's policies or vote for them? No, but it does confirm he earns his title of "Right Honourable".
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  •  He did the right thing, helping (6+ / 0-)

    those people. Then he took a selfie at the scene. If he were a liberal Democrat, we'd be proud of him. But because his last name is Romney, we're supposed to boo and hiss? Come on, we're better than this.

  •  Didn't George Zimmerman (2+ / 0-)
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    Do about the same thing?

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 01:42:34 PM PST

  •  The trust fund is absolutely secure. That's what (1+ / 0-)
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    AlyoshaKaramazov

    it's for, keeping money available to an individual who incurs liability. But really, don't you suppose Josh also has an adequate umbrella liability policy?

    You silly human persons, after a certain point, money is very, very good at looking after itself.

    •  Plus most states have Good Samaritan laws (2+ / 0-)
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      coffeetalk, plumbobb

      where there is no liability if you make a good faith effort to help someone, even if your "help" leads to further injury. We have one in California that was the result of some high profile lawsuits that resulted in people being reluctant to help anyone who was injured.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:54:34 PM PST

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  •  Another Bullshit Diary (3+ / 0-)
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    doc2, coffeetalk, Neuroptimalian

    He helped at an accident and took a goofy picture.  Get over it.

    "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

    by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 02:46:13 PM PST

    •  you're work here is done; you can (3+ / 0-)

      go home now

    •  your, not you're (0+ / 0-)
    •  If his last name were, say, Kennedy (4+ / 0-)

      I wonder if this goofy picture would have spurred all of this contempt.  Somehow, I doubt it.  Somehow, I think people might be complimenting him for being a good Samaritan and helping out a stranger.  

      I haven't heard the people he helped complaining about anything he did.  Until I hear that, my view is, if anybody stops to help strangers in need, I say, "Good for you, you did the right thing, even if you took a goofy picture afterward."  

      And yes, even if your last name is Romney.  

      •  Yes because he is a Romney (1+ / 0-)
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        Let's look at his own statement about the incident as posted on his Facebook page and quoted by the NY Daily News; I have put the relevant words in bold.

        I was the first on scene to the huge accident on 4500 South last night. Fortunately, nobody was seriously injured and I was able to lift all four passengers out of the car. The car just missed us at the intersection and hit this house going about 70 mph. You can see from the pic that we are in the homeowner's kitchen
        "I", "I" but suddenly we find that he must have been accompanied: the car just missed us. Who was this "us" and "we"? His own words reveal his lie, he was not first on the scene; he and those in his car were. Yet he claims the entire credit for removing the four from the crashed car.

        I have already explained how foolish removing even apparently uninjured from a crashed car is unless there is a pressing need. If he did phone 911 or ask for advice, it is certainly not there. Neither is there any credit for the others there - were the others he clearly implies were in the car with him just standing around? Yes according to SuperJosh - he lifted them out with no mention of assistance.

        I would suggest that this sort of rush to act and self centered egotism is exactly what we saw with Father Mitt last year. For me the contrast with these actions and self-promotion contrasted starkly with that of Jim Murphy. As you will see from the email I wrote to him, I am not afraid to give praise where proper praise is due where a political opponent is concerned. Nor am I afraid to condemn when condemnation is due.  

        We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:26:22 PM PST

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        •  Oh, I see (3+ / 0-)
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          He used the first person. What an egoistical asshole.

          Carry on.

          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

          by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:44:13 PM PST

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        •  I would suggest you have no idea whether (4+ / 0-)

          it was a good idea or not to remove people from the car because you weren't there.  

          Have any of the four people he helped complained?  Have the paramedics complained?  Have any of them said he shouldn't have helped them out of the car?  No?  They were there - -what makes you think YOU know better than THEY do what he should have done?

          And the "I" versus "us" -- who is the "us"?  Someone in the car with him?  Did that person get out of the car?  Come on, you know so much else about what happened there -- tell us, who was that other person, man, woman, child, adult, elderly -- who?  And did that other person get out of the car at all?  right away?  Did that other person stay in the car calling 911?  Since you know so much, why don't you tell us?  

          I would also suggest you have no idea whatsoever what exactly he did, or did not do, to get them out of the car.  Again, did the people who he helped complain that he did something wrong?  Or the paramedics?  No?  But you -- who were not there and have no idea what happened -- you are in a better position to know whether he should not have "lifted" them out of the car?

          If the paramedics and the four people he helped have not complained about what he did, what makes you think you are in a better position than they are?  

          This is simply transparently bashing the man because of his last name.  

          •  Well put n/t (0+ / 0-)

            "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

            by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:53:58 PM PST

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          •  Because (2+ / 0-)
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            rubyr, kurt

            It is simply good practice. The basic principle of first aid is do as little as possible until professionals arrive.  Unless there is a danger to life, you do nothing if you are not properly trained.

            I agree I have no idea of what he actually did - and I would hope you agree that you do not even know if paramedics were called.  I analyzed his own words which did not even acknowledge the presence of others.

            We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

            by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:54:30 PM PST

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            •  Nice to know (1+ / 0-)
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              coffeetalk

              So if, say, I come upon an accident and the occupants are climbing out of the car, it isn't ok to help them from the vehicle?  Should I push them back inside and tell them to wait for the EMTs?

              Are you seriously suggesting that it is likely that paramedics weren't called after a car crashed into an occupied house?

              "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

              by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 05:09:55 PM PST

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            •  So, what were the circumstances when he (3+ / 0-)

              arrived?  Were the people trying to climb out of the car themselves?  Was there a danger of fire? Was the car in a precarious position?  Was there some debris from the crash that could have been dangerous if they stayed in the car?  Were they calling him asking him to get them out?  How dangerous was it for him to have left them there?  Why don't you tell us, since you are so critical of him for helping the people out of the car?  

              And I'm sure you'll admit that the police must have been there at some point. Did THEY complain about what he did?  Did THEY say he should have left them in the car and done nothing?  Again, did the four people he helped complain about what he did?  No?  But YOU -- you who weren't there -- YOU can criticize him, because YOU know so much better than the four people he helped and the first responders -- whether they were police or paramedics??  Even though you have no idea if the first repsonders think he should have left them in the car, YOU know that he should have left them in the car.  

              Seriously?  

              You just need to admit that you know nothing about whether what he did was, or was not, appropriate, and without that knowledge, you have no business criticizing what he did.  

              This diary is simply bashing the man because his name is Romney.  

              •  You know as much as I do (2+ / 0-)
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                rubyr, kurt

                I do not know from the reports if the police arrived, what their condition was or whether 911 was called. All we know is Romney's claims he lifted them from the car. He did not say he helped them as they were climbing out of the door. He does not mention any smell of gas or petrol - his gurning at the camera with his trophy makes a nonsense of that being a priority.

                He mentions they were not injured however as I point out, potentially life threatening injuries are often not even apparent to the victims. People have happily walked round with a broken neck until it was discovered by x-ray. Luckily for them, the broken vertebra was stable and did not slice through their spinal cord.

                If you had bothered to read the diary you will find I included those reasons why you should not do what is apparently "obvious". You do not, for example, remove knives or glass as they could be stopping blood flowing from an arterial wound.  You risk the person bleeding out.

                These sorts of precautions are not specific to one incident; you follow basic good procedure until professionals arrive to assess or you get advice from those who do know in the meantime. 911 operators often have the skills to give this advice over the phone if there is any likelihood of delay.

                We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 05:46:33 PM PST

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                •  The difference is you (1+ / 0-)
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                  VClib

                  wrote a diary criticizing a person when you know nothing about what he did and when nobody who was actually in a position to know what he did has criticized him.

                  I simply pointed out how absurd it is to criticize someone when (1) you know nothing about the circumstances; (2) you know nothing about what he actually, specifically did; (3) the first responders have not criticized anything he did; and (4) the people he helped have not criticized anything he did.

                  I simply pointed out that doing what you did -- and beginning it with a disparaging remark about his religious beliefs (the "funny underwear" comment) -- make it obvious what your motive is, which is to simply bash him because of his last name.  

                •  Well (0+ / 0-)
                  I do not know from the reports if the police arrived, what their condition was or whether 911 was called
                  News reports indicate that there were paramedics and police called, and that injuries were minor, but otherwise unspecified.

                  "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                  by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 06:00:35 PM PST

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                  •  I'll quote another (1+ / 0-)
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                    rubyr

                    I made a similar point in another diary and Woolibaar added this:

                    Even if the occupants are walking around (0+ / 0-)
                    seemingly fine, they could have broken their necks and a sneeze would paralyze them.

                    Any kind of car accident can often cause unseen injuries that could later paralyze or kill.

                    Any time there is a car accident, if there is no fire or fuel leak with imminent danger of fire, the occupants need to be extracted with maximum of care - even if the occupant says they are fine, those sneaky injuries could pop up as they are walking around a few days later. Better to be safe than sorry!

                    I'd hate to be involved in a vehicle accident and get you two "helping".  If the emergency services had been called, all the more reason to not act hero and wait until they arrive.  

                    We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                    by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 07:17:29 PM PST

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                    •  Don't worry (0+ / 0-)

                      If I see you in an accident, I'll be sure to pass you by.  I wouldn't want to risk being pilloried.

                      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                      by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 07:21:48 PM PST

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                      •  Good you obviously have no knowledge (2+ / 0-)
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                        rubyr, snoopydawg

                        These principles are drummed into you if you undergo motorcycle training in the UK. The other big no-no is removing a safety helmet after an accident unless it is restricting breathing severely.

                        Perhaps you would like to learn something about basic first aid, including heart massage. You may never use them but you can at least help not harm.

                        Since you are just here to argue an irrelevant point and make unfounded accusations, please just go away.

                        We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

                        by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 07:27:52 PM PST

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                        •  Wait (0+ / 0-)

                          There was a motorcycle involved?  Helmets?  I must have missed those details.

                          Talk about irrelevancies.

                          By the way, I'm still unclear about what to do if the victims are trying to extricate themselves.  If persuasion fails to stop their obviously misguided efforts, is it ok to render them unconscious?

                          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                          by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 07:52:18 PM PST

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                          •  You are spamming this diary. You have (1+ / 0-)
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                            snoopydawg

                            eighteen comments here that all say the same thing. Your point was made at comment one.

                            If railroading a diary like you have done here is what you like to do, sad for you.

                            "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

                            by rubyr on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 08:03:06 PM PST

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                          •  Do enlighten me (0+ / 0-)

                            I didn't know I wasn't able to respond.  Is that a new rule?

                            "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                            by Old Left Good Left on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 08:40:51 PM PST

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        •  Lib D - the diary was a cheap shot (1+ / 0-)
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          coffeetalk

          at someone who did something helpful but because his name is Romney you are critical of his actions. I'd leave the praise or criticism to people at the scene. You don't have any idea what the facts were.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 04:57:44 PM PST

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  •  When Mitt was (2+ / 0-)
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    running, up came the story that he had saved some people in a sinking boat on Lake Winnipesaukee.

    Then Zimmerman was "first on the scene" heroically at a car crash...

    I don't know, after a certain point, I begin to wonder.

  •  I think that the first aid rules that you speak of (1+ / 0-)
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    here are universal and need not be defended. People could learn how to behave in an accident situation by listening to you.  

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 08:04:36 PM PST

  •  First on the scene? (0+ / 0-)

    Wouldn't surprise me if he was "first on the scene" because he CAUSED the accident (probably drunk).

    He should be in jail.

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