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While celebrating Nelson Mandela's amazing life I thought I'd chime in and mention the contributions he made to conservation in South Africa. While many species have declined across Africa in South Africa they have increased and in many places thrived due to a mutually beneficial confluence of big game hunting and local stakeholders.


Nelson Mandela with blesbok

“It is important for conservation and rural development to be combined,......Nature conservationists must take into account the needs of people around the reserves. They need to encourage education programmes about protecting wildlife and always act in co-operation with the local communities.”

Nelson Mandela

Mr Mandelas advocacy of issues environmental is widely credited to his two week hunting trip in the early 1990s at the Lowveld nature reserve where he harvested an impala and on a later trip a blesbok.

The philosophy of the KaNgwane Park which greatly appealed to Mr. Mandela was the idea that a large conservation reserve had to generate revenue for the local community via big game hunting.
http://mg.co.za/...

Rest easy tonight Madiba

Originally posted to Hunting and Fishing Kos on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 04:44 AM PST.

Also republished by Liberal G Club.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 04:44:10 AM PST

  •  In many of these communities (11+ / 0-)

       A strong positive economic impact directly on the local community is necessary for long-term success. It decrease incursions into the reserves by woodcutters and grazing domestic animals, as well as tolerance of the animals that leave the park and cause some local crop loss (elephants, particularly,) & loss of domestic animals (large predators.) When the local community is invested in the success of a reserve, they don't tolerate poachers.

    -7.25, -6.26

    We are men of action; lies do not become us.

    by ER Doc on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 05:09:32 AM PST

  •  I was surprised to learn of this yesterday (5+ / 0-)

    His first hunts occurred not long after release from incarceration, before being awarded his Noble etc.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 05:20:00 AM PST

  •  Conservation often goes hand in hand.... (8+ / 0-)

    with hunting and fishing.  Aldo Leopold emphasized this.  I didn't know this about Mandela.  Thanks for the background.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 05:35:42 AM PST

  •  10 days of mourning for Mandela in South Africa. (5+ / 0-)

    We in other areas of the world can reflect on his life.  I learned that he helped create a viable park for the preservation of the animals and the people who live on or near the park.  It thrives, both the park and the people.

    Troublemaker, is his name, from his people in the Eastern Cape of South Africa.  

    Peacemaker, too, or as  a Buddhist might say:

    Peacemaker,
    Precious Flower of
    Human Enlghtenment

  •  The myth of trophy hunting as conservation (0+ / 0-)

    The idea that trophy hunting "helps" conservation is bunk -- it's a facade used by the hunters' fraternity to justify their blood sport ....and is not based in science.

    https://www.facebook.com/...

    •  Electricity is just a theory, immunization causes (1+ / 0-)
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      samddobermann

      autism, mental illness caused by the devil.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:46:47 PM PST

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    •  Joined DK today just to make that comment (1+ / 0-)
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      samddobermann

      maybe a sockpuppet.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:48:01 PM PST

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      •  Kill the messenger, but the message is correct (1+ / 0-)
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        trophy hunting takes the best of the species and damages the genetic health of the herd. I liked it on FB

        btw, it's not my sock but I do agree with the message.

        To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 01:22:33 PM PST

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        •  opinion doesn't make something so, just because (2+ / 0-)
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          Joy of Fishes, samddobermann

          you happen to feel a certain way doesn't make it fact. You can agree with an opinion all you'd like but in the end it's just an opinion, and for sure not of the fact based community.

          Nelson Mandela was a bright guy, after long discussion with scientists schooled on the issue he decided on a certain course of action, history has proved him correct.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 01:49:42 PM PST

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          •  Emotion vs rational thought (0+ / 0-)

            That is getting to be a rather stale response effort to shut down debate. No emotion about it, it's science.

            Nelson Mandela was also a boxer in his youth. Should that make us all pro-boxing?

            To thine ownself be true

            by Agathena on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 03:46:02 PM PST

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            •  No it is not science. You can't pitch and choose (1+ / 0-)
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              articles and insist on a point of view.

              The main reason that all the varied species of ducks are doing well is duck hunters. They agreed to tax themselves (duck stamps) and they use the funds for buying up suitable habitat

              In Yellowstone the elk were causing great environmental damage and were not themselves thriving. Then the appropriate hunters, wolves, were introduced and the improvements in the environment have been stunning and quick. And they have aided other wildlife like the coyotes.

              Throwing the word genetics in there just to make it more "sciencey" doesn't impress those who know something about genetics, evolution and keeping species healthy.

              The only way in this world to get people to support something is to get them to see the value and get something out of it. You get it by feeling smug. But others need food.

              I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

              by samddobermann on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 03:36:20 AM PST

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              •  This is about trophy hunting (0+ / 0-)

                Not hunting for food
                Not natural predation by wolves

                And you are wrong about ducks

                And you are projecting smugness

                Good bye

                To thine ownself be true

                by Agathena on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 05:55:04 AM PST

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                •  Decline in duck population (0+ / 0-)

                  To thine ownself be true

                  by Agathena on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:00:16 AM PST

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                  •  your link points more towards farmers having (0+ / 0-)

                    an adverse affect on duck populations and the changes in laws paying farmers not to produce on marginal land which is now being planted for ethanol production.

                    I've actually worked at one of those prairie potholes mentioned in a wildlife preserve bought with hunters dollars. I was shooting predators at the request of the director of the preserve. He managed for the maximum number of birds he could. It was way out on the flyway for migrating birds.

                    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                    by ban nock on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:49:02 AM PST

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                •  yes, tropy hunting, that has created 100,000 jobs (0+ / 0-)

                  and a source of excess species in high enough numbers to that they hunt them and also export them to countries and areas where they are in decline. Rhinos, elephants, lions.

                  I might not wish to hunt that way and it's maybe not my cup of tea, but it's undeniably successful.

                  “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                  by ban nock on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:09:44 AM PST

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                  •  In the coastal forests of BC, First Nations have (0+ / 0-)

                    banned trophy hunting. They make billions on eco tourism/photography while trophy hunting only pulls in a few million. But that's not the main reason for the banning, the First Nations' chiefs do not believe in trophy hunting. They also refer to the wolf and cougar as brother and traditionally did not kill them.

                    Eco tourism/photography is outpacing trophy hunting. For example, groups have visited the gorillas in the mountains in central Africa and this supports the preserves and helps the local people. No gorilla is ever shot and no gorilla has ever attacked a human.

                    To thine ownself be true

                    by Agathena on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:01:34 PM PST

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                    •  There are almost no gorillas too. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I just don't call that success.

                      Mountain gorilla populations are what? 600 maybe? and River Gorillas less? I don't think gorillas should be hunted for any reason ever, but that's just me. If they lived in a reserve financed by hunting there might be a lot more of them, as is the locals are hungry for meat and the gorillas in conflict zones are sold for the wildlife trade.

                      As for First Nations peoples I thought the BC department of Wildlife determines how many and in which of the fifty some units hunting is allowed. Right? units 50-3 50-4 and 50-5? As for their belief or not in hunting I'd bet it's rather a dispute over who gets the money, like with all the polar bear hunts up north.

                      When I hear of the billions of dollars I laugh, I've heard that over Yellowstone for years. The tourists come no matter what, they go to towns and roads. Hunters are in different places.

                      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                      by ban nock on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 05:06:52 PM PST

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              •  In reviews of all the available studies the Park (0+ / 0-)

                Service determined that pre wolf elk herds in Yellowstone were well within historic population size and that they did provide some very positive effects on the ecosystem.
                http://www.nps.gov/...
                They were thriving in that the herd size has shrunk 85% since reintroduction in both the Northern Yellowstone herd and the Madison Firehole herd (only herd that wintered in the park now down to around 100 individual animals)
                The early claims of wondrous changes to the ecosystem have long since been relegated to at best a not likely,
                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                The wolf was reintroduced to provide diversity, to make a place that had all the large predators of N America in the lower 48. The problems in my opinion have been that they didn't account for the local people's wishes. (unlike Mr Mandela) and they also didn't actively manage the wildlife after reintroducing the wolf.

                “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                by ban nock on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:27:31 AM PST

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            •  If it's science maybe you have some link or (0+ / 0-)

              reference as to why the South African model is bad for species, or why trophy hunting itself is, because all indicators point to the opposite.

              “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

              by ban nock on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:11:44 AM PST

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              •  You are right killing is the way to preserve the (0+ / 0-)

                Species it has worked so well in the past.

                To thine ownself be true

                by Agathena on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 09:57:52 PM PST

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                •  Ducks Unlimited; a duck hunting organization has (0+ / 0-)

                  conserved over 13,000,000 acres of wetland & influenced over 91,000,000 acres of conserved wetland for a total of 104,844,741 acres in N America.

                  What have you provided conservation & wildlife?

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 09:19:28 AM PST

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