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The LATimes recently ran an article by Robin Abcarian in its L.A. Now section entitled Right wing frenzied over transgender students choosing bathroom.

Of course the target of all the hate is specifically the School Success and Opportunity Act, better known as AB 1266…and incidentally the state's transgender students.

The School Success and Opportunity Act, the first of its kind in the nation, did not sit well with California’s waning conservative Christian base, which has lately been in danger of becoming the political equivalent of the polar bear stranded on the ice floe.

--Abcarian

Now there's an interesting image.  

Specifically, the bill says:

A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil's records.
When the bill was passed and signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, the uproar was nearly instantaneous.  There was outrage, I say…outrage!…over the "Co-ed Bathroom Bill" not heard since the fear of co-ed restrooms was used to doom the Equal Rights Amendment.
God made us male and female.  You just don’t choose gender.

--James Dobson, Focus on the Family

The status of the referendum campaign generated by the Outrage and championed by the Pacific Justice Institute and the National Organization for Marriage is being followed by both sides.  As of the morning of December 10, 76.75% of the randomly inspected ballots have been declared valid.  That would indicate that only 471488 of the 614317 signatures would project as being valid, which would be over 33,000 signatures short of the number required for the referendum to be put on the ballot next November.

Political consultant Frank Schubert, who also led the campaign to pass Prop 8, says that they are not going down without a fight.

I’m not predicting anything at this point.  We are going to fight for every signature.

--Schubert

Major contributors to the campaign include the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Fieldstead & Co. of Irvine, and the largest single contributor, hedge-fund executive (Equinox Partners) Sean Fieler of Princeton, NJ.  Fieler has donated $200,000 of the $500,000 the campaign has raised.
California’s religious conservatives have had a hard go of it lately — they were stung after their successful effort to outlaw gay marriage via Prop. 8 crumbled in the courts.  They have to contend with a a Democratic supermajority in the Legislature.  And now, adding insult to their injury, California has codified the notion that gender is not an immutable fact of biology.

--Abcarian

The Pacific Justice Institute paints a picture of men abusing girls in school restrooms with school's powerless to stop them.

After having their scare stories disproven, the PJI simply responded that the very presence of transgender girls in girls' restrooms was harassment.

All of this is damaging to society.  They are using those children to advance an agenda to strip society of all gender norms and to move down a path where men and women are considered to be interchangeable, where gender is an irrelevant fact, something that’s fungible and flexible.

--Schubert

No.

--John O'Connor, Equality California


That’s what I figured.  My guess is we’ll have a genderless society right after we have a color-blind society, i.e. never.

--Abcarian

They need a bogeyman.  Like gay marriage — ‘It’s going to ruin traditional marriage and be the downfall of society.’  Just switch out the words.  ‘Full inclusion of transgender people is going to ruin gender normality for everyone.’  It’s fear mongering.

--O'Connor

Since 2005, I have not had a single instance of somebody pretending to be transgender so they could have, during fifth period only, access to a restroom.   We have had such positive experiences.  We really have.

--Judy Chiasson, coordinator of the LAUSD Office of Human Relations, Diversity, and Equity

In Schubert's world:
Seems to me it would be a cruel joke to tell a gender confused child who is being bullied that the solution to his problems is to go use the girls' bathroom.  That would result in more bullying, not less.

--Schubert

If the law stands, you can expect that children who balk at welcoming an opposite-sex child into the locker room or bathroom will be reprimanded and singled out for being hurtful and transgender-phobic.  The normal kids will be ‘the problem.

--Rebecca Hagelin, Townhall

The PJI is openly seeking parents who can get their kids to testify that they have felt threatened by the presence of some transgender kid in a restroom.
If that child can validate that this transgender has expressed their intention to use the opposite sex's bathroom or locker room or showers, and they're willing to come alongside to be a plaintiff at our action ... then they should contact us because that gives us standing to be able to have a preemptive action.

--PJI's Brad Dacus

Response:
We’ve been through Prop. 8, which the state celebrated when it went down.  We don’t want to do this again.  This is simply at odds with what California stands for.

--O'Connor

I think O'Connor is right. In California, the battle over LGBT civil rights is basically over.

Some folks just haven't figured that out yet.

--Abcarian

I find myself wondering who is the victim here.  The best case PJI and others have managed to dig up has resulted in a transgender student becoming suicidal: hardly the predator they had hoped to paint her as.

So now, in order to attempt to fight AB 1266, PJI is party to a witch-hunt, trying to track down transgender students based purely on hearsay and speculation, in the hope they can be party to a federal lawsuit to overturn the law.  All of this while Privacy for All Students cannot presumably garner enough signatures with a deceptive campaign claiming that AB 1266 forces "co-ed" facilities onto elementary students.

This is the chilling part. If you are a transgender student in the state of California right now, know that these are the people who are seeking to harm you.  They're trying to get any student in your school to turn to them, potentially breaking any confidence you may have had to rob you of your rights.

--Gwendolyn Ann Smith, Bay Area Reporter

The idea that transgender people want to destroy gender is absurd.  We don't want to eliminate it.  We want to liberate it.  We want to liberate all of you…and all of "them".  We want a world in which people can express their gender in whatever way they choose, so long as it is harming nobody else.

Almost none of the transfolk I know live genderless lives, but rather live lives immersed in gender.  And so do most of you, my readers.  The question is, "Should you get to decide how you will live your gender, or should that be decided by other people….decided by "cultural norms" that we are born into…and therefore had no say in adopting.

As things stand right now, none of you have the freedom to be who you want to be.  So when you see us fighting for our rights, please know that we are fighting for your rights as well.

Originally posted to TransAction on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Street Prophets , Invisible People, Voices on the Square, and LGBT Kos Community.

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  •  As being shown in Russia presently (12+ / 0-)

    and by right wing nutcase National Organization for Marriage bots in California, "cultural norms" is just a cover for a diversity of hate, hate acts and hate speech.

  •  How many more millenia is it going to take (13+ / 0-)

    for us to realize that people are people are people are people.  

    We spend far too much time categorizing people by age, race, gender, wealth, religion, appearance, weight, fitness and in every other way that suits the fancy of the haters and no time realizing that each one of us is a unique individual.  

    We should celebrate our individuality and stop trying to pretend we should be a society that made of clones.  I love that everyone is different.  It makes life interesting.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:06:47 PM PST

    •  It won't take that long. Specifically it will (0+ / 0-)

      probably happen shortly after molecular nanotechnology really takes off.  Of course, you can bet your ass that those same people will try even harder to stop such radically unnatural things which includes being able to change gender at will, software updatable immune systems, artificial red blood cells that will let you sprint for over 10 minutes while holding your breath, and even non-destructive mind state backups.  Oh sure, they will try to fight it but considering people augmented with such technology are going to be nearly impossible to kill or even just beat up, not to mention being many times more intelligent than a normal human, they will lose.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 04:00:34 PM PST

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  •  gender is a collective projection, not genitals (6+ / 0-)
    Almost none of the transfolk I know live genderless lives, but rather live lives immersed in gender.  And so do most of you, my readers.  The question is, "Should you get to decide how you will live your gender, or should that be decided by other people….decided by "cultural norms" that we are born into…and therefore had no say in adopting.
    God made us male and female.  You just don’t choose gender.
    --James Dobson, Focus on the Family
    God gave us good aim, you just don't choose a good gun

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:12:41 PM PST

    •  Dobson's language (5+ / 0-)
      God made us male and female.  You just don’t choose gender.
      --James Dobson, Focus on the Family
      In Whipping Girl, by Julie Serano, the author asks why society accepts dumbed down ideaology with regard to gender expression.  When talking about heart surgery, we don't expect the doctor to explain a situation to us in trite language, we expect to hear the full details, including jargon specific to the situation.  Somehow with trans issues, tho, this cis perspective (which by definition is one of a person who has not questioned their own gender) not only prevails, it's the only voice in mainstream society, and the only one people hear unless they do deeper research (for instance, if they or a friend or relative is trans).

      Rant aside, I may agree with him.  Just, gender isn't a choice, so some of us have to do something about it.  ;)

      I do not demand tolerance, I demand equal rights. --Anna Grodzka

      by VeggiElaine on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:43:40 PM PST

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  •  Gender has always been a non-issue to me (14+ / 0-)

    I guess it may be because, growing up in a Mormon househould, I just assumed that I would somehow grow up to be a man. That was the only way my crushes on girls made sense.

    I love being a woman now, but I hated it for a long time due to my repressed sexuality. IOW, liberation is an amazing thing. Oftentimes I feel sorry for people who are born liberated. They'll never understand that ultimate, mind-opening experience that allows one to truly be free.

    And every single year I get into an argument with someone at Pride about transfolks, because there's always some douchebag claiming that they don't understand transfolk, ergo, transfolk are somehow wrong.

    I don't understand a LOT of things, but that leads me to educate myself rather than dismiss that which I don't understand.

    This applies to evolution as much as it applies to gender norms. If you don't understand it, it's YOUR problem. No one else should be forced to own it.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:16:33 PM PST

  •  I sure hope they fail the signature count (12+ / 0-)

    That's would probably force them to pay for recounts (not that they're short of money or anything).


    'God made us male and female.  You just don’t choose gender.'

    "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

    by Crider on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:23:04 PM PST

    •  Really lovely photo. (4+ / 0-)
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      Who are these beautiful people?

      •  They are a transgender high school couple. (8+ / 0-)

        She was born male and he was born female.

        •  Yes (5+ / 0-)

          And to look in their eyes, it's plain to see that their relationship is Godly, indeed.

          "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

          by Crider on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:43:58 PM PST

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        •  It seems like they are now sticking to gender (1+ / 0-)
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          norms - for the gender they identify with!

          Gender didn't really get "destroyed" by these trans folks, or any others.

          "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

          by New Jersey Boy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 07:52:33 PM PST

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          •  I'm not so sure (2+ / 0-)
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            There are plenty of gender minorities who identify as both male and female; as neither male nor female; or as a third gender with aspects of both.  The kids in the picture could even belong to that group (hypothetically); there's no way to know just by looking.  I'm just getting to know someone who fits in this category, and it's not one that can be defended to bigots by appealing to how nicely it fits into stereotypical male and female if you just ignore the genitals the person was born with.

            •  I know. The one trans person I know socially. (3+ / 0-)
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              Was an XY, genitally female who preferred to be non-gendered.

              For a long time, we just never used pronouns (that's hard!) But, for whatever reason, that person is now identifying as a male, to the relief of all of us who were fatigued with stating the proper name even when talking in the third person. (That was seriously the biggest issue.)

              The last time we were hanging out HE was with his partner (female) and their kids, and at one point I said, "You know what I'm talkin' about, my brother." (It was about science, not anything gender related, but I was speaking of fellowship and fraternity came out.) I haven't heard whether that received as a faux pas, or success with gender transition.

              Anyway, I think transpeople who choose to be gendered are not "destroying gender."

              Perhaps the right would have an argument about the "inbetweeners" if they acknowledged that they existed.

              In my experience, the biggest problem with that group is that they're destroying pronouns!

              ; )

              "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

              by New Jersey Boy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 09:08:51 PM PST

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              •  Whoops. I meant to say "XX genitally female." (3+ / 0-)
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                Now, that's a successful transition, when the doctor friend gets the chromosomes wrong!

                You know what I'm sayin', my brother?

                Gawd. I can be such an oaf.

                "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

                by New Jersey Boy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 09:15:24 PM PST

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              •  The pronoun rule is simple (2+ / 0-)
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                Use whatever pronoun is appropriate for the gender the person is currently presenting as. For example, a male drag performer is only "she" or "her" when in costume while a transgendered biological male who is presenting as a woman, (even before hormones, surgery or really any treatment), is always referred to with feminine pronouns. As for people presenting as agender, in that case you must ask the principal which pronoun he or she prefers. "It" is always out, period! Cisgendered people can't be expected to jump through linguistic hoops when in conversation and in my opinion it's unreasonable to ask them to.

                "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

                by MargaretPOA on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 05:35:34 AM PST

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  •  Their real fear: (8+ / 0-)

    Children growing up having learned to live together in tolerance without unjustified phobias means their bigoted ideologies will wither and die. Such children will reject not only the bigotry of parents, but also the bigotry of religion and politics. Another words, what they fear is a better world containing more peace and harmony. Silly, no?

  •  You must suffer for the sins of others. (10+ / 0-)

    Basically, that's the rationale behind all of these crazy right-wing scare tactics about bathroom use.  Reduced to its essence, the argument is this:

    1.  Perverted cisgendered, heterosexual men will pretend to be trans so they can use the women's restroom, where they will sexually molest young girls.

    2.  Because of the alleged existence of these perverted cisgendered, heterosexual men, actual transwomen shouldn't be allowed to use the women's restroom.

    Obviously, 2. does not follow from 1.  But apparently, transpwomen have to suffer because these cisgendered, heterosexual men can't control themselves.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 05:14:00 PM PST

    •  Bingo. (4+ / 0-)

      The minds of these people are scary places, apparently.  The reality of our lives isn't even close to what they imagine it to be....or what they think they would do if they were one of us.

    •  Don't forget about the sports (3+ / 0-)
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      Male born children are going to pretend to be transgendered in order to compete on girls' sports teams so they can WIN! That idea has got to be the epitome of the absurdity that is transphobia.

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

      by MargaretPOA on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 08:36:21 PM PST

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    •  Nor can any of them cite a real case (3+ / 0-)
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      Of a "perv" dressing as a woman to get easy access to his victims in the restroom.

      But apparently, transpwomen have to suffer because these cisgendered, heterosexual men can't control themselves.
      Sounds like the "justification" for some middle eastern women being forced to cover up from head to toe. I see no difference in the two attitudes.

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

      by MargaretPOA on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 05:53:14 AM PST

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  •  I'm okay with destroying gender (2+ / 0-)
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    but then again that's because I find the vast majority of gender 'roles' stupid, ignorant and just plain dumb.

    Still I wish you luck in your mission and look forward to enjoy a more tolerant society (even if it's one step at a time).

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 05:59:33 PM PST

    •  I've been turning your comment over for some time (2+ / 0-)
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      & think I finally have a handle on it.  Considering gender roles in human history, until recently, natal women had more domestic roles thrust on them due to the demands of childbearing & then a lot of stereotyping & misogyny.  Natal males on the other hand, were the hunters (which makes me think "breadwinner" is a funny term, given that farmed wheat is a domestic plant).  I don't necessarily agree that the gender roles were stupid but I think the generalization that ALL natal women were such & such a way because of behavior stereotyping is wrongheaded & stupid.

      I'm thinking about the "destructive" aspect of your comment in terms that for instance the trivial example I just provided is not relevant in a modern society.  Child bearing & rearing is less an issue now as the numbers of children have decreased per household with better medicine & the migration from agrarian to postindustrial life.  I think social mores have followed those inherent needs but humans seem to tend not to budge from their stereotypes.

      However, what is less clear to me is whether those historic gender roles are replaced by more current "normative" behaviors.  Liberation in my opinion means freedom from those previous definitions and a future where many many other definitions work as well.  But I think there will be definitions; as humans we define ourselves by our actions and our ideas, & I think interpretation (such as role typing) just follows from McLuhan's "the medium is the message".

       

      I do not demand tolerance, I demand equal rights. --Anna Grodzka

      by VeggiElaine on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 08:38:34 AM PST

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      •  thank you for your comment (1+ / 0-)
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        and thank you taking the time to think about it and then answering. I think perhaps we're thinking about this in perhaps slightly different ways as for myself 'destruction of gender roles' doesn't mean anything other then the freedom to choose. I know people that are perfectly happy being the stay at home mom. I also know people that are perfectly happy to let the wife being the major bread winner.

        So in that way we do agree. There will (in my opinion) always be gender roles because no one can do it all. What I look forward to is people being able to freely choose the roles they wish to take on.

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 03:09:35 AM PST

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  •  while I doubt the commenters to this diary... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...who aren't already familiar with the issues will read down this far, I'm really struck tonight by the persistent "come the revolution" meme.  This diary was about a specific law in California at danger of a bigoted, populist repeal, and kids who are kids today, who are going back to school on Monday in an atmosphere made dangerous by the nasty games of the right.  And yet folks weigh in about how someday gender won't be a problem, getting better, support you (mumble) yeah go!

    I am pretty sure gender will always be a problem, so long as we continue to be dependent on sexual reproduction and as long as we continue to be social mammals.  But gender is not a problem which should privilege the loss of civil rights or one which justifies creating a climate of fear, for children or adults.  

    I have noted, in passing,  that one of the left's shining lights of transphobia has outed and leveled false accusations against a trans kid, in conjunction with the PJI people.  

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 06:59:17 PM PST

  •  Almost all media protray us (3+ / 0-)

    As clownish, (Too Wong Fu....etc), as predatory, (The Silence of the Lambs, etc), as deceitful, (Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, etc), as cartoonish, (Warner Brothers in particular), as the butt of running jokes, (The Big Bang Theory [WTF?!?]), as disgusting, (Family Guy, etc), as drug addicted, as suicidal, as prostitutes, as deserving of whatever ugly events happen to the transgendered person..... It goes on and on. There are almost no positive portrayals of transgendered people but there are a few. This is reflected in the news media as well. Even people who call themselves progressive and tolerant frequently use (absurd) transgender rumors to smear people like Ann Coulter. There was a big dust up on this very blog about it, though for some reason the defenders of it's use as a smear couldn't think of any examples where it had been used in a complimentary fashion. Until positive portrayals of trans persons are the norm rather than the exception, we're going to have to keep fighting this fight.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 08:11:06 PM PST

    •  Portrayals (2+ / 0-)
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      almost always seem to be as exotic animals, as "other" in some form.  Even, say, Bernadette in Priscilla who has real problems lives in a fringe context, according to all the old stereotypes media perpetuate.

      Margaret, I appreciate the detail & direction of your analysis.

      It would be refreshing to see portrayals of trans people as just people who have ordinary lives, paying bills, with relationship issues, in the context of trans lives.  But that's  not too exciting, I guess.  

      I have heard there are better portrayals in It's Always Sunny & Orange is the new Black but at this point I'm tired of holding out hope & I haven't seen those.

      I do not demand tolerance, I demand equal rights. --Anna Grodzka

      by VeggiElaine on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 06:24:13 AM PST

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      •  "Exotic" is a great word to use here. (2+ / 0-)
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        We are definitely seen as "the other", even by people who are our allies. My own gender coach commented on a beating a transgendered character in a movie endured as "deserved" because she "should have been honest about her gender". Well the character was honest about her gender, she just didn't wave her genitalia around for all to see. Almost nobody does that, transgendered or cisgendered but it seems that even the most "tolerant" among the cisgendered seem to think it's a reasonable demand to make. Should a transwoman or transman be up front and honest about her genitalia with someone whom s/he's dating? For safety reasons especially, of course. Should they be up front about it with relative strangers in a public place, (as portrayed in the film)? Fuck no! It's nobody's business.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 07:09:56 AM PST

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        •  Where else would this been considered ok? (1+ / 0-)
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          a beating a transgendered character in a movie endured as "deserved"
          ... with allies like these...

          I hate the whole stupid dynamic where someone doesn't tell a potential partner until it's awkward but these stories make me sick every time anyway  its just so wrong

          I do not demand tolerance, I demand equal rights. --Anna Grodzka

          by VeggiElaine on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 09:12:10 AM PST

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    •  Sadly I have not seen any such positive portrayals (0+ / 0-)

      outside of transhumanist literature (Altered Carbon, The Culture Series, and even the tabletop RPG Eclipse Phase).  Even that is different as those are settings where if you don't like your physical body (either because it is the wrong gender or otherwise) you can either change that aspect or just discard it entirely and have your cortical stack (or equivalent) implanted in a new cloned body grown to your exact specifications.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 03:50:51 PM PST

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  •  Libertarians? (2+ / 0-)
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    We want a world in which people can express their gender in whatever way they choose, so long as it is harming nobody else.
    Until I understood that libertarians don't usually believe anything they espouse if it conflicts with basic Republican beliefs, I thought I was a libertarian.

    Unfortunately, we seem to have created a world where personal rights are trapped in an eternal war between left and right. Until we change the premises of the debate, we will keep losing.

    Personal autonomy and the right to choose, in matters of gender, sexuality, drug use, and reproduction, is a singular right that must be protected as fiercely as political expression.

    This basic right belongs to each and every one of us. Assure that marginalized citizens like transfolk have the right and it will allow every human being to blossom into the best human being that they can be.

    Every human...

    Yes, I'm the real Lia Whirlwind. Do you hear anybody else screaming?

    by Lia Whirlwind on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 11:36:48 AM PST

    •  It is even more important than that. Assure that (0+ / 0-)

      marginalized citizens like transfolk have the right and it will (eventually) allow every human being to blossom into something that is more than human.  So Schubert, when we finally reach the point where where gender and even what body (i.e. sleeve) we are in is an irrelevant fact, something that's fungible and flexible.  Probably just whine about it because it would be extremely hard to kill or even seriously injure such a posthuman and even if you did they could just be "reincarnated" from their last daily mind state backup.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 03:42:59 PM PST

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