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Two dogs in rear of a SUV.  One recently adopted dog traveled 10 miles back the shelter to be reunited with his lady love.
I have been pretty sick the last couple of days but not too sick to try and help this Kossack trying to help another vet in the North Florida and South Ga area.   I will share two emails I have received in the last two days and ask for your input along with
any donation you may have to try and make Christmas a little better regarding this story.

I have located two facilities for a special needs dog but want to do a little more not only for the vet's family but the Kossack for being so there and having a bit of a time themselves.   Here is the email and names..deleted...but this is a VERY ACTIVE KOSSACK here,,,simply..Addressed to VETWIFE
One major facility is in South Florida and checking on a smaller one in Williston/North Florida.
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 01:17 PM EST

We have a friend who is an honorably discharged Marine.. Iraq/Afghanistan. He's younger than me, in his late 20's early 30's. Yesterday he had a minor stroke, he also has PTSD pretty severely (He'll come to himself deep out in the forest with no idea how he got there). He also has a one year old daughter. He really needs an assistance dog, but he doesn't have the ability to train his own. Do you know of any local groups that place dogs with vets that doesn't cost a fortune?

He's expected to make a full recovery from this stroke, but he's bad about taking his BP meds because of the PTSD. He gets his medical care through the VA and the local health clinic right now.

I found two facilities and passed the info on but that is just for the dog and still trying to find out how much this cost will incur.    Most organizations like the DAV are not being too helpful.  
I searched most of the afternoon yesterday and I am tapped out.  I feel we should help the little one year old as well.

 She has no clue I am doing this but really felt the magic to help her and her husband  and children who are trying to  help their friend.

I found an organizantion in North Florida and will be calling some more today to try and donate the special needs dog.   The dog will need more than it's being though.  It will need food, shampoo, a carrier and much needed pet items and we are not even talking about the 1 year old daughter.

Just click on my name or go to the link here and donate for this Afghan vet and very long time Kossack who you all know but will remain nameless.   This is just one letter of maybe 4 or 5 of requests I get a month but this is the one we picked this year.
2nd email

He was twice wounded if that helps any.
You know I hate that the VA just does not provide this kind of service or a need such as this takes so much time and at Christmas.   Of course we are talking Gainesville here.
I mentioned to the email request that is sounded as though the veteran qualified for some home health care but the response was not good.   I was also told he and his daughter are staying with his mother so Grandma is entitled to the Caregivers Act.  I will be workling pretty hard on this is to see what the wounded warrior and the caregiver can get immediately but in the meantime... Can you help with ideas for a quick adoption of a special needs emotional doggie and some gifts for a one year old.  

Thanks..

Merry Christmas

Originally posted to Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 05:10 AM PST.

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  •  Be careful of high-priced dogs (6+ / 0-)

    According to an article I am linking to, "Can Do Canine’s pets are already spoken for three years out." Yet they are legitimate while there are other operations out there that take advantage: CBS Minnesota article.

  •  OMG I checked on the service dog area near (5+ / 0-)

    our Kossack and got pretty mad...read this..

    Veteran’s Administration Service Dog Pilot Program
    For the past year, Guardian Angels Medical Service Dogs, Inc. has been partnered with the Veteran’s Administration in a pilot program that pairs very highly skilled, federally protected medical service dogs with veterans suffering from the challenges of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). While it is not a cure, the results have been nearly immediate and the positive impact on restoring the lives of our veterans is amazing. We are having a 100% success rate with these dogs assisting their veteran.

    Due to numerous delays and issues with the Veteran’s Administration we are no longer partnering with them, however, we still continue to specialize in dogs trained to mitigate these challenges.

    You need not be a participant in the VA pilot program to receive a service dog from us.  You will not receive money for dog food, monthly health insurance or the quarterly visits, however you WILL receive the greatest service dog chosen especially for you.  You will also get the very best follow-up anyone could ask for.

    For additional questions about getting a service dog please call 352-425-1981 or email Carol@MedicalServiceDogs.com.

    But they want 20G.  so let's look for a good lap dog that can sense danger and a companion.  We can get up food and stuff.   Any ideas?

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 06:35:12 AM PST

    •  they want pledges to raise $20K (5+ / 0-)

      I wonder if they could take less. Or if we could find an organization to take over.

      The dogs can be informally trained but the biggest problem is to be still when out in public. Most dogs will pick up on what is needed from them.

      I have had two I trained with help. I am partly deaf (total in one ear, can't hear anything if good ear in pillow) and have some other disabilities also.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:03:52 AM PST

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      •  I have contacted this one (5+ / 0-)

        http://www.dogs4disabledveterans.org/...

        but they have foster programs and want to finance.  Not cheap.
        I checked with some local veteran orgs around here who did not seem interested and still trying.   In Ga, our org had a pet project but the trainer and org that we partnered with died and the small project was done away with.  

        I am concerned for this vet but very concerned for the one year old and family here at Christmas.  

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:09:02 AM PST

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      •  Perhaps ask at the shelters. Especially those (4+ / 0-)
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        given up by the elderly might be ideal for a start, and perhaps their volunteers would help with the dog acquiring specific skills and adjusting to new situation. Sorry if this sounds naive, but there are many out there who are fostering dogs in hopes they get a permanent home. For instance, google the phrase Underhound Railroad. They are those trying to shift dogs from high kill states to where they have more of a chance to be placed.  

        •  Good idea.....I am pretty much at a loss (3+ / 0-)
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          for this as it overwhelmed me to find out the cost so that is out.   Don't think it is naive.   Has to be a real gentle dog even from shelters because a ptsd victim can perceive the dog as an enemy depending on the war zone.

          I can forget trying to get a special needs dog but a gentle shelter dog could suffice ..the training is still a key factor.

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:44:28 AM PST

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      •  Sickening isn't it? I know they do a lot of (1+ / 0-)
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        training but they should do some good deeds here at Christmas time for some of our wounded warriors.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:53:26 PM PST

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  •  I don't train service dogs but a friend of mine (5+ / 0-)

    does. Rachel Freidman at http://www.abetterpet.com  

    She is great at finding the right dog also.

    A bit of a warning...she is Northern so doesn't speak southern and she very much speaks dog - short, sharp and sometimes snarly.

    She is very kind and compassionate though.

    (I'm a Northerner too but I have mastered the art of Southern speak.)

    Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature. If I had Bill Gates money, I'd buy Detroit.

    by ZenTrainer on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 08:52:34 AM PST

    •  Oh Zen....That is good news !!!!! (5+ / 0-)

      Will relay this info right away !!!!!!!!!!!
      I am a southerner but speak Northern.. lol

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 08:57:32 AM PST

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      •  you might have a look at my comment to ZenTrainer (3+ / 0-)

        ... there is my dog, she helped my son and me a lot. As my son is employed now some 5000 miles away from me, I am alone with my dog. I love her dearly and hate to give her away (and so does my son), but if she (Sasha my dog) would be eligible to be a real certified "service" dog to help another Veteran, I might consider giving her away and probably my son would too. We know what the dog did for us and we want our dog to be alone 12 hours a day in my house and get depressed. She needs a task ... and I think she is a GREAT dog. Loyal and lovable and sometimes playful and calm (doesn't bark at all).

        ..

        •  the definition of a "service" dog is one who (5+ / 0-)

          performs specific tasks - is trained to do so and does them.

          you don't need to pay 10k or 20k for a service dog to be trained - it is NOT required...

          working with a good trainer (if you haven't had that experience) is how to do.  knowing what the dog needs to do and then working with him/her to accomplish those goals is what is required.

          for example, diabetes dogs can "sniff" blood sugar changes and will "touch" or alert the owner that there is something going on even before the owner realizes it (lyublyu's mom does this for his breeder (my friend).

          hearing dogs "touch" (or "poke") the leg on a specific spot and then go to the noise or look to it.

          for service dogs - they do NOT need the expensive tags, vests, leashes, online certification (which is a money making scam, imho) - ALL that is required is, when asked, the owner state "this is a service animal".

          therapy dogs do not garner the same privileges as service dogs - there are subtle differences in where they can go and when.  that should change one day.  

          what i DO hope is that people don't take advantage of the ADA rules to bring their non-service/therapy dogs with them because they just can't leave poochie woochie at home.  it is a disservice to the real working dogs!

          temperament and canine good citizenhip is a requirement, though.  service/therapy dogs cannot jump up on people passing by (NO! DOWN!! Lyublyu!!!!), they have to be housebroken and cannot create a disturbance (barking, etc.)

          to get to this place in training - going to akc classes for obedience are far cheaper than buying a "finished" dog (which means they have gone through obedience training and some specific training - such as the "poke")

          some service dogs assist in leading the blind, picking up dropped items, opening doors for disabled patients, bringing cell phones to their owners (these are the specialty trained ones and, yes, that might very well entail $10k of training for several years of specific work.

          for what this vet needs, i would think first of a slightly older dog (unless training the puppy would help the vet focus on other things and can tolerate housebreaking and obedience work).  with a puppy - the bond starts early - with an older dog (think 7 months to about 2 for long term relationship), the obedience work should be partially done already.  

          the structure in training is something a vet knows well - it can be soothing working with a dog for those successes - and can lead to such activities as agility and more.

          i just saw your post below this - again, there IS no "certification" requirement - it is the product of an opportunistic business model to sell "certification" and vests and more.  i just answered most of your questions for that post...

          also floridaSNMOM is more specific on the laws.

          btw, the ONLY thing any business can do is ASK if the dog is service - they cannot ask what tasks, what type, or what need the dog fulfills.  period.

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:38:23 AM PST

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          •  Oh, thank you. I wasn't aware of people (4+ / 0-)
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            taking the training work as a business model and scam.

            I was asked by businesses if our dog is a service dog and as I could have lied and say yes, but I thought they would look for a certain tag on the collar that proves it. My nieces dog had something like that for being a companion dog.

            Her dog certainly could not perform the task of helping her  when she had balancing problems while walking. The dog was too young to be properly trained for that. I remember that she had a trainer for the dog and paid for it. More I don't know. But the dog was very good for her emotional support and is now for her surviving partner.

            •  thank you for your honesty - and when you DO need (0+ / 0-)

              a service dog - or your daughter needs one - then you'll appreciate even more when people don't abuse the law.

              if too many people do abuse it, then certification might be required shutting out many people who need help.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 12:06:02 AM PST

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        •  screw monster hit me again .... correx (2+ / 0-)
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          .. we don'twant our dog to be alone 12 hours a day.

    •  I always wondered if my dog (1+ / 0-)
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      could  be trained to be a service dog. I never understood how the process works.

      I also don't understand the diary. Is Vetwife looking for a suitable dog or is she looking for a person who can train the dog for the dog to become a "certified" service dog.

      I got confused between the difference between a "companion" dog and a "service dog". There are apparently different levels of "therapeutic dogs" and for each type you need to prove that you need a specific kind of certification.

      I would love for my dog to become a service dog, but I guess she is (almost seven years now) too old, too friendly and too calm. She is and was a sweetheart to my (Veteran) son, but we never understood what to do for her to be trained and certified as a "service dog", as only those are allowed to accompany you into hotels, museums, stores and restaurants.

      •  A couple of things to clear up confusion (4+ / 0-)
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        There is no 'certification' for an assistance dog. An Assistance dog is a dog trained to do a task for someone who is disabled. Some states offer a certification but federal law states that they aren't required. Florida doesn't have one.

        A companion dog is a dog who is just that, a companion. Kind of like a pet, with benefits so far as housing goes. They aren't trained to a specific task and they don't go everywhere with their human, just at home.

        A Therapy dog is a dog trained to work to give emotional support to people OTHER than the handler. These are the dogs taken into nursing homes, the read along dogs at the library, etc.

        Many disabled people train their own dogs because the price of service dogs through organizations are very high (hence the 20 grand for the one program Vetwife looked into), and often there is a waiting list that can be years long.

        What breed is your dog? What's the average life expectency? For some dogs 7 years old is towards the end of a service dog's usefulness, for other dogs (say smaller dogs with a 15-20 year life expectency) 7 years old is still in their prime. It also depends on the task, for a PTSD dog, a medical alert dog, or a hearing dog they may have many useful years left, while a mobility assistance dog which requires more physical work may be more limited.

        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

        by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:22:37 AM PST

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        •  I may not understand it, but (2+ / 0-)
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          as for a dog who is allowed to accompany you in public inside places like museums and hotels or restaurant, your dog needs to be a "service" dog with a sort of certification. A dog, who guides the blind for example, has always be trained and is certified a "service" dog.

          My niece, who was terminally ill, had a dog and it took her a long time to get the dog trained to be a companion dog. The disability for my niece was the fact that she started to have balance problems while walking due to her brain tumor. Of course the dog was also there for emotional support and as a companion dog. I think in the end she was allowed to get with her dog into an airplane (as a second passenger).

          For military veterans, I think you need the approval of the VA that a service dog for the Veteran is needed (so the disability in case was having a diagnosis of PTSD and the approved disability benefits that goes along with it.) If you hadn't been officially approved to have PTSD, you couldn't get a certified trained dog.

          May be I got that all wrong. But try to enter with your companion dog a museum or an airpplane and you will see that the dog is rejected if the dog is not certifiable a "service" dog.

          •  No, there is no certification. (4+ / 0-)
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            Trained yes, certified no. Some states offer a certification, some state they need one, the ones that state they need one are in violation of Federal law.

            From the ADA Site :

            Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person’s disability. Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.

            This definition does not affect or limit the broader definition of “assistance animal” under the Fair Housing Act or the broader definition of “service animal” under the Air Carrier Access Act.

            When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.
            A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.

            "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

            by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:49:06 AM PST

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            •  thanks for posting this - i JUST pulled it now (3+ / 0-)
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              to do the same!

              i deliberately don't use vest/leash/tag because i want to open the discussion with businesses regarding service animals and the function they perform - i am a walking "educator" on the subject.

              while i am not required to tell WHY i have a service dog - and i explain that - i still tell those i speak with what lyublyu does and why i have him and also use the opportunity to talk of other types of service animals.  people only associate guide dogs for the blind - they do not realize that dogs can be used for epilepsy, diabetes, hearing impairment and more.

              the more people are educated, the better support will be for these amazing creatures that help us lead normal, safe and happy lives!

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:54:07 AM PST

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            •  thank you very much for this information /nt (2+ / 0-)
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          •  Also, the only requirement (3+ / 0-)
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            to have a service dog is having a disability, and that the dog assists in some way of mitigating said disability. There is no requirement of WHO diagnoses the disability, and there is no

            approval of the VA that a service dog for the Veteran is needed
            . That may be a requirement of a service or group that trains dogs, but it is NOT a requirement to have a service dog (especially as you don't have to use one of those services or groups to train one).

            "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

            by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:51:07 AM PST

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            •  ok, thank you very much, that explains it well. (0+ / 0-)

              ... the requirement of having a disability ... in case of PTSD ... who decides if you have PTSD or not? That's probably what got me confused. If there has been a claim made for PTSD, which then was not followed up on and the Veteran officially has not being counted as having PTSD by the VA, what is then?

              Many Veterans feel they have some symptoms that are often believed to be related to PTSD, but don't want to be classified of having it, because it's harming them when they look for a job. The definition of PTSD among the population is so vague, who can say if you have it or not?

              But you say I could have gotten our dog trained as service dog for a Veteran whose PTSD shows itself only as being depressed or having anger management problems without going through the VA? And do you ever have gone through the VA looking for a therapist who is able to "understand' what is going on with a Veteran? Good luck.

              •  Anyone who would diagnose (1+ / 0-)
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                PTSD for the general population would be able to diagnose it for a Vet. I've been diagnosed with it, and I never served in the military. Mine is related to an abusive ex-husband.

                "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

                by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:06:10 PM PST

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                •  well, we would have needed an outside (0+ / 0-)

                  therapist (ie not a VA therapist), who is very well informed about how to get a claim for PTSD through the system with the VA to apply for benefits. There has been one, who would have done it and he worked a lot with other Veterans. Actually he helped one Veteran,who was involved in the BlackHawk Down incident. I talked to him personally and through him got the address of that therapist.

                  This therapist asked for $ 180 - $ 220 per session. I wonder which Vet, who has barely a job that provides him with an income he can survive on independently, has that kind of money. As most Veterans can't pay for that, this therapist organized bi-weekly Veterans meetings in his house and praxis, fed them well and let them use his swimming pool of his luxury house ... and offered them some "calming" "soothing" music CDs.

                  Well ... I guess in praxis that is not a solution for most Veterans, right?

                  I am just confused. In the end we were able to "heal ourself" some way or the other. The fact that a Veteran can't choose his own professional therapists and can't buy any health insurance in addition to the health services of the VA, if he hasn't an employer who offers him health insurance, cause a lot of problems, if you ask me. And I get irritated if any nilly-willy person allows himself to make a judgement about the mental health of my Veteran son. It's so easy to discard people, because ...you know... they have PTSD. It can be quite insulting.

                  My son had in the 7 years after he left the military, only once, for one year, a full-time job, who offered health insurance. Since all other jobs were part-time (and that was clearly on purpose), he was dependent on the VA for any health related care.

                  The VA can do a lot of things for physically disabled Veterans, for PTSD I doubt that they have found successful ways to help most Veterans. Why do you think so many are homeless and suicidal? Doesn't seem to show a lot of therapeutic success.

                  Anyhow I am getting off topic here, probably. With so many things in this country, I just don't understand them. Sorry.

                  •  I still have trouble with it. (2+ / 0-)
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                    I've been through counseling twice, once through a sliding scale clinic and once through a domestic violence outreach. There is no cure so far as I know, especially when the threat is still alive and walking and keeps popping up at unexpected moments. And still very much a threat (stalker).

                    I don't know about linked to VA benefits, but it is possible to find sliding scale mental health services that could help in the coping/healing process.

                    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

                    by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:09:00 PM PST

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                    •  VA cut the program according to the Chicago paper (1+ / 0-)
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                      STUPID STUPID STUPID !!!!!!!  Big pharma !  

                      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

                      by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:50:08 PM PST

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                      •  Cutting the program is just stupid. (1+ / 0-)
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                        I know, they had to make cuts somewhere but really.. not the best place.

                        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

                        by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 03:04:27 PM PST

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                    •  oh, to clarify, I do not think that (0+ / 0-)

                      the damage done to my son is "cured" for good. I just hope it's "contained" and hopefully will be one day on the backburner of his conscience. It depends on so many things out of my control.

                      Thank you so much for all your information. After becoming aware through your profile description, I know that anything I have said is not worth to be taken into account.
                      You have all the knowledge and all the experience felt directly. I am just a far away listener (and a bad one too).

                      Please let me know what comes out of gettiing a dog for the Veteran. Our dog was a rescue and didn't cost us anything aside from some fees to the people who took care of her and prepared her for being adopted.

      •  SNMom cleared it up (2+ / 0-)
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        Looking for a good dog and a trainer that will not cost a fortune for an Afghan vet with ptsd and shot twice.  
        The vet has a one year old daughter and high Blood pressure and just had a stroke.  His caregiver is a cancer patient.   The dog could help him according to the request I got and the VA has dropped out of this part of helping.
        The process is expensive......But with a good dog and maybe a trainer willing to donate their time ..it would be doable.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:30:44 AM PST

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        •  that is the way to go, vetwife! (2+ / 0-)
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          online, there are excellent training tapes - heck, our own k9disc has SUPERB training tapes he published here in his series!  why not contact him?

          i am SURE he can give you some great direction!

          i love his tapes - i've recommended them to a number of friends and am using his suggestions with lyublyu.  the real trick is positive reinforcement - lots of love and patience - and having FUN while you're doing this!

          k9disc's series and website PAWSITVE VYBE is an excellent
          place to begin, stay and release! ;) k9disc, yep, i really DO watch your tapes!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:03:33 PM PST

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  •  Hope this vet finds a good service dog. (2+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for the post. Will share it on FB to help get more eyes.

    Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations. ~ George Orwell

    by 4Freedom on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 10:04:53 AM PST

  •  Low-cost way to get well-trained companion animal (3+ / 0-)
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    Someone you may want to contact for this vet is out here in San Diego County...this woman takes dogs out of shelters and trains them to become adoptable. Also does training to become therapy dogs. She mentions training dogs for veterans on her website.

    She's way out here in CA but may be worth contacting -- perhaps she knows of other resources closer to your area.

    Just a thought. Best of luck.

    "Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting -- over and over announcing your place in the family of things." --Mary Oliver

    by Mom of Three on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:11:39 AM PST

  •  I can say this now....because the Kossack will (2+ / 0-)
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    join me in this plight.  The well known Kossack is SNMom and the need is real for her friend who at this point was medically discharged from the military after being shot.  He is young with no wife at home but shared custody of a 1 year old and his Mother is a cancer sufferer.   SNMom and I have scoured everywhere looking for help for this vet.   He has recently had a stroke and gets little care from Gainesville.   Surprise He waits 6 hours to be seen just as they said at the CNBC documentary...surprise........I am fighting with Gainesville again and I know SNMom knows about these things.  

    The VA should NOT have opted out of the program.  I am trying to help him put in for another disability after this stroke which will only take two years and maybe two appeals in Florida if we are lucky.   The dog would help.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:24:31 PM PST

    •  .. I will talk to my son, if he would (3+ / 0-)

      donate our dog for the purpose of helping that Vet. If he would say yes, someone has to decide if our dog is trainable for the task this dog is needed. If it's emotional support, my dog is THE DOG to have.

      I can't tell you how much I got attached to the dog and how often the dog was a last life-line of hope and joy for my son.

      •  I hope Florida SNMOM joins us again soon (2+ / 0-)
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        but that vet she is hunting down right now and can't get in touch with him... She and I have been talking since the stroke.  She is going to check on him.  We must remember one thing.  If SNMom feels this is what the vet needs, then I would take that to the bank.  Her special needs dog kicked up a fuss right before his stroke.    She herself just got out of the hospital for her breathing problems.. I am pretty far away but doing what I can on this end.   Sad situation.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:41:19 PM PST

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        •  Thank You Vetwife, It's tough to be far away (2+ / 0-)
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          and not being able to do something in person. You have such a good heart. Hopefully something will come out of this and be helpful.

          •  I have also tried to contact whatgodmade (2+ / 0-)
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            to see if she can check as well.  No answer from whatgodmade. She is probably visiting her son in the hospital in Orlando. She is closer but still about 25 miles south of SNMom .. I am further than that.  about 100 miles south.
            Thank you for your kind words.   I don't want FloridaSNMom to get too worked up or she will be back in the hospital herself.

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:57:15 PM PST

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    •  Still haven't heard anything from him. (1+ / 0-)
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      Haven't heard anything since Tuesday night while he was at the hospital, and he said he'd call or stop by on Wednesday. His phone is going to voicemail. He was intending on checking himself out of the hospital AMA, I'm thinking maybe his mom talked him out of that. Maybe he didn't have the charger for the phone. I'm going to check with my other half, see if we have the house number somewhere. I know we did, but the question is if we can find it.

      "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

      by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:15:18 PM PST

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      •  Did you call the VA? (1+ / 0-)
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        What about his Mom and daughter?

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        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:21:59 PM PST

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        •  I haven't called the VA, no, but he'd probably (1+ / 0-)
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          be at the local hospital, not down there, or at the VA here.

          His daughter is probably with her mom today. As for his mom, we're trying to find the home number. I know he gave it to us, it's a matter of which computer/phone/email it was stored in.

          "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

          by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:25:27 PM PST

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          •  Not that they would know..dammit (1+ / 0-)
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            today I got a call from a local hospital that Jack was in for his heart attack and Gainesville said he was a patient in Tampa.. and they were responsible for the bill... I went off.   I proceeded to tell Gainesville they must watch the documentary and find out where THEIR patients are !!!!!!
            I guess this is gonna get more attention !!!!  our story... and we need to get that program re enacted again via the VA.  

            Don't get too worked up hon....we will find out...

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:31:44 PM PST

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  •  Well this just ticks me off .... (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

    Guardian Angel Medical Services of Williston, Fla., was one of the three groups involved in the VA study (the other two were New Horizons Service Dogs of Orange City, Fla., and Freedom Service Dogs of Englewood, Colo.).

    According to reports, the explanation for halting the VA study cited concerns about dogs biting children; dirty, cramped living conditions that caused animals to suffer illnesses such as worms and diarrhea; and faulty record-keeping.

    That "explanation" leaves Carol Borden, founder and executive director of Guardian Angels, perplexed. The majority of dogs enrolled in the limited study, she says, were from her organization, and there were no biting incidents. Borden has helped pair hundreds of service dogs with veterans over the years and says she's never received a single complaint about a dog's temperament. As for veterinary care, it was paid for as a part of the study.

    and this explanation that even Schumer addressed.
    A few years ago, Congress mandated that additional scientific study be conducted by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) on the impact of service dogs paired with PTSD vets. The study, launched in June 2011, was to follow 230 PTSD vets and their service dogs, tracking them and their families through 2014.

    After enrolling fewer than two dozen dogs, the VA just announced that it has suspended the study. What's more, the VA indicated that it no longer will support service dogs paired with veterans diagnosed with PTSD (and instead will only support dogs partnered with veterans with visible disabilities).

    This move apparently even took Congress by surprise. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) was so affronted, he quickly held a press conference and issued a press release. Schumer replied to a request for further comment via email:

    "It's of the utmost importance that we provide our vets with every option available to treat service related ailments. For some vets who suffer from PTSD and other mental illnesses, this means service dogs. Especially as the wars are winding down, and more and more soldiers are returning home with mental trauma, the VA must continue to allow their doctors and mental health professionals to provide benefits to veterans who need mental health service dogs."

    Their explanation is the VA was concerned for biting and dirty conditions.. Guess they didn't want any competition....not to mention the real reason is Big PHARMA

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:19:24 PM PST

  •  this may be a dumb idea (2+ / 0-)
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    But if a certified dog is out of reach and it sounds as though it is, it seems like you might want to focus on locating trainers somewhere in the area who might be willing to donate/discount their time and then possibly check with rescue groups for the various breeds to see if they might have a dog with some experience .  
      I adopted a rescue German Shepherd last year and I suspect that she would have been a perfect service dog, she's always at my side and can sense my every mood.  I have the distinct feeling that she would love to do that kind of work and with correct training probably could.  No you can't have her (teehee) but that might be doable.
      Please keep us updated on this, when you have a definite plan I"ll be happy to chip in a bit.

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:31:47 PM PST

    •  That is what we are looking at now Kathy (2+ / 0-)

      and it is not dumb....We are just having a hard time....Hard feelings with some folks according to the article re the VA down here in Fl for cutting the program.
      They would have to DONATE their time and we know how patriotic some republicans are and the area is red.  

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:35:51 PM PST

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