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Dear god, Heritage has gone beyond stupid.
How Obamacare Will Try to Control What You Eat

Did you know there are 34 million different ways to make a Domino’s pizza?
Mary Lynne Carraway can’t fit that on a menu board. But that’s what Obamacare says she has to do: Put up a menu board in each of her 60 Domino’s stores that tells people the calorie count of every possible combination. Of course, all the information is already available online.

First of all, how will providing calorie counts "control what you eat"? Don't ask me. Or the author of that piece, either, because the closest it comes to explaining it is, "The FDA tries to justify the rule by claiming that consumers make misinformed decisions at restaurants". So yeah, giving people more information is an attempt to "regulate what they eat".

But it gets even dumber. That post has a link to this Heritage report on the nutritional labeling requirement, which starts with this:

Obamacare requires restaurant chains to provide caloric and other nutritional information to customers on standard menu items.
So, is Dominos Pizza arguing that it has 34 million pizzas listed on its standard menu? Obviously not. So here's a tip to Dominos, free of charge: List the calorie total for a plain cheese pizza. Then go online and google "pepperoni", and then where you list pepperoni as a topping option, add the number of calories for that topping. Same with green pepper and anchovies and whatever else you offer. Great idea, right? It's not my own! It's been done a million times! Like the Chipotle menu at the top of this post.

Chipotle didn't include a separate calorie count for "bean and beef burrito hold the lettuce add corn and tomatillo sauce" because they're not morons like the Dominos people. Apparently, the shittier the pizza, the more like Herman Cain their CEOs are likely to be.

Restaurants in places like New York and Seattle already have to provide this info, and somehow those cities have survived this socialistic apocalypse. In fact, such labeling is hugely popular. Heritage's position against labeling puts it in the distinct minority fringe—the tiny few who don't want information about what they're putting in their mouths.

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  •  A little birdie (technically an owl) told me... (32+ / 0-)

    Obamacare also regulates how many licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop.

    •  See? (0+ / 0-)

      He's regulatin' you.  


      Don't eat that cookie now, or jackbooted food police thugs.  Also.

      "A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home." - James Madison

      by gharlane on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 01:38:39 PM PST

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  •  even the Green Mermaid (8+ / 0-)

    can provide calorie counts for its wares. If a Domino's owner can't figure it out, the chain's management should be able to provide the information (and the signs) for them.

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:37:46 PM PST

  •  Dear god, indeed. (14+ / 0-)

    What next?

    Earn points at fast food restaurants for a future colonoscopy?

    Way to ruin life on earth, liberals!!1!

  •  The Heritage's viewpoint is the only one that's (7+ / 0-)

    broadcast because they know how to get their message out to the mainstream.
     The Dems may say it's untrue and unfair but that's not what's happening.
     Until there is a concerted effort by the Dems to get their side of the story into the mass media with rebuttals, think tanks, op eds, you name it - the Repubs will always win in the court of public opinion.

    •  When you are selling 'lazy', you do very well. (8+ / 0-)

      The Republicans go for the lowest common denominator.

      They say, "Hey eating poorly is now a sign of protest against tyranny."
      That makes their supporters happy.
      The problem is that dietary issues will become more skewed toward red states as blue states continue to communicate about healthy eating.

      California also has calorie information on its menus.

      I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong. Seldom turns out the way it does in this song.

      by mungley on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:04:09 PM PST

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      •  It really is that stupid. (4+ / 0-)
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        viral, Hastur, Larsstephens, OooSillyMe

        Sarah Palin waving around a Big Gulp in front of an audience of moronic supporters. Rightwingers claiming that Michelle Obama is taking their cookies away. To them, common sense health measures are something to be mocked, and junk food=freedom.

        •  Yes but not all RW are stupid or have a death (0+ / 0-)

          wish for themselves or their families.
           All I'm asking is where is the Dem's voice of reason in this debate?
           Why is it so one-sided?
           Why can't the Dems learn from the Repubs how to be heard?
           Why wasn't there more of a massive PR campaign for Obamacare?

          •  I think the RW voices are just more prominent. (3+ / 0-)
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            viral, ahumbleopinion, millwood

            I totally agree that the White House could have done a much better job selling Obamacare, but then voices like Rush Limbaugh would just have been that much louder in opposition. We don't have a media empire like the right-wingers do. And I don't think we ever will, since liberals aren't exactly interested in sitting around all day listening to some blowhard validate their idiotic beliefs.

            •  The WH did a good job selling Obamacare (1+ / 0-)
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              however, negativity seems to always win out in our society.  People pay more attention to fear tactics so when they are dispelled, they aren't believed.  You had lawmakers giving town hall meetings and actually lying through their teeth about Obamacare, that's a big stumbling block.

              The lies told, and I heard them all during 2009 into March  2010, at town halls from my conservative congressman.  Not only did he misinform and lie, but anyone in the audience who repeated what "they heard," that was totally incorrect, he let stand.

              Obamacare from the outset was beseiged by falsehoods too numerous to mention.

        •  Just what you would expect from a group (3+ / 0-)
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          Leap Year, viral, bustacap

          that worships the freedom to work for low wages and no benefits in unsafe conditions. Or the freedom to be fleeced by their bank.  The perverse stupidity is mind-boggling.

          “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

          by ahumbleopinion on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:22:19 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I say (0+ / 0-)

          let her keep gulping.  It will shorten the time she has to cause further damage to others.

      •  That may be true but the Dems could easily (0+ / 0-)

        run an ad that says that the Repubs want to deny health care for all, the Repubs are fearmongerers that are against the facts of what one is actually eating and so on. .. that this is what Obamacare will do for you.
        I haven't seen anything like that. That to me is a serious lapse.

  •  Dominos Pizza supported Operation Rescue (9+ / 0-)

    when they went on their terrorism spree in the 80s.
    Haven't given them a dime since then.
    I understand their pizza still sucks.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:45:28 PM PST

    •  It's gotten better (2+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z, Dragon5616

      We've ordered it a few times as a last resort, like if we get home late at night when Mr. Scribe's mom is in the hospital and nothing else is open. I heard they had an ownership change so the Operation Rescue stuff no longer applies. But yeah, there are definitely better options out there -- our favorite is a local chain, Pizza My Heart, that does great pizzas with some interesting combinations.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:49:18 PM PST

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      •  Their sandwiches are pretty ..... okay (0+ / 0-)

        I hate to say it, but their sandwiches are decent. I'm not a huge fan and have only had two of them in as many years, but as you said: in a pinch, not a bad deal.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:55:36 PM PST

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      •  You know, they may have changed owners, (3+ / 0-)
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        but I hold a political grudge FOREVER! McDonalds donated $208000 to Richard Nixon's reelection and I haven't eaten there since. Even though Ray Kroc is long dead.
        We are lucky to have a wealth of local Mom&Pop Pizzarias, mostly Greeks, around here, that make really good pizza and I never find myself in that pinch.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:12:06 PM PST

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    •  Yes, I know this. (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh Mary Oh
      Did you know there are 34 million different ways to make a Domino’s pizza?
      Whenever I order a pepperoni pizza from Domino's, it never shows up looking, or tasting the same.

      Caution: The reality in the mirror may be closer than it appears.

      by glb3 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:15:11 PM PST

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    •  Well, they say "Dominos Pizza Delivers" . . . (3+ / 0-)
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      annieli, Oh Mary Oh, longtail

      But that was back when their pizza crust tasted like real dominos.

      And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

      by Pale Jenova on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:31:06 PM PST

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  •  Too Much Information (13+ / 0-)

    If you really knew what was in that Domino's pizza, you'd never eat one again. To the Heritage Foundation's base, ignorance is bliss, so when you get on the scale you can blame everything but what you've been feeding yourself.

    Most fast-food restaurants don't list the calorie counts of the ingredients in their sandwiches in their stores -- but many of them have nutrition calculators on their websites so you can plan ahead and see what happens if you leave off the Secret Sauce on that Big Mac and just grab a ketchup packet to use or how many calories you'll save if you leave off the sour cream and guacamole on the Chipotle Burrito Bowl.

    I love having the calorie counts displayed -- and even more like the restaurants that have the entire nutrition information available on request. I know that at, for example Panera Bread, if I want to finish off my meal with a Candy Cookie I'd better have the Low-Fat Chicken Noodle Soup instead of the Cream of Chicken & Wild Rice, and get it with an apple instead of chips or baguette. It's still my choice what to feed myself, but I'm able to be a more informed eater.

    (Come to think of it, Mr. Scribe and I need to grab a bit to eat before we grocery shop later -- I think Panera may be our dinner choice tonight. Chicken noodle soup sounds yummy.)

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:45:49 PM PST

    •  I was shocked to see the calorie counts (3+ / 0-)

      displayed at McD's in Southern Idaho. Before I left Boise a few places were adopting the nutritional data menus, but Twin Falls is a libertarian paradise, and my jaw dropped when I saw the data on the drive-thru menu.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:58:21 PM PST

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      •  The point is you can still eat (3+ / 0-)
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        varro, novapsyche, Oh Mary Oh

        whatever you want -- but you have to make trade-offs. If you want that super-sized Big Mac meal with a large chocolate shake at lunch, then dinner you might have to settle for a salad with fat-free Italian dressing or a cup of light soup. Or maybe after looking at the calorie count you'll decide that hey, a regular cheeseburger, small fries and diet soda will fill you up just fine.

        There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

        by Cali Scribe on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:02:57 PM PST

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      •  I had a similar experience several years ago (2+ / 0-)
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        novapsyche, Oh Mary Oh

        in NYC which went to the required calorie info ahead of the rest of the country.  We were in a restaurant that did not have a single menu item less than 1,000 calories. I have not been back to that restaurant since.

        “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

        by ahumbleopinion on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:28:12 PM PST

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      •  The McDonald's (1+ / 0-)
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        Oh Mary Oh

        nearby my house began displaying calorie counts as well (at least on their indoor menu boards; I don't drive, so I don't know about their drive-thru).  I was so glad that they reminded me visibly what items I definitely did not want to order.

    •  It just keeps getting dumber (0+ / 0-)

      I rarely eat out, but being a type 2 diabetic I need to know what the calorie & carb count, amount of sugar, etc is on what I'm ordering, that way I can control my diabetes with diet & exercise instead of medication.  Seems to me a lot of fast food restaurants have been listing cal. count for quite some time before the ACA was put in place. I don't have this info I don't eat at your establishment, and it has nothing to do with President Obama.

      Since when in it a bad thing to know what your eating, and letting people know that you can make healthy choices for your family. Like I said, they just keep getting dumber & dumber and it's really getting tiresome.

  •  And yet you know they'd be for it... (13+ / 0-)

    if restaurants had to disclose if they were using Sharia Meat.

  •  We've had menu labeling laws in CA since '09 (9+ / 0-)

    The law was changed a bit in '10. Any restaurant with 20 or more locations has to put the calorie info on the menu.

    It hasn't been a problem, for anyone.

    •  well, maybe for people (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh Mary Oh

      who never considered how many calories are in some of that stuff.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:21:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's still a problem (0+ / 0-)

      when I have a panini sandwich in a coffee shop that only has one location, and they can't tell me how many calories are in the sandwich. They buy the paninis pre-made from a local deli, which sells the same paninis in at least twenty different locations around town, but they don't have to provide a calorie count either, because they are a single location, too.

      I'm gonna have to get a hold of the recipe, and figure it out for myself.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 09:49:52 PM PST

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  •  Heritage; "The healthcare plan we created sucks!" (11+ / 0-)

    "And it's Hitler!!"

    "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses??" - future President Paul Ryan

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:48:30 PM PST

  •  Of course the whole thing is stupid and (1+ / 0-)
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    Leap Year

    ridiculous but some people actually believe this stuff.
    What are the Dems doing to rebut it?

  •  I have to say, THANKS A LOT OBAMA!!!!! (11+ / 0-)

    Seriously, though, putting the caloric content on menus has changed the way I eat when the nutritional data is published.

    Not saying that I no longer order 2K calorie meals, but when I do I halve it and save the leftovers for the next day and that's typically my only meal besides a few snacks.

    But still, SOCIALISM!!!!!!

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:49:50 PM PST

  •  The right is really scraping the barrel, (7+ / 0-)

    trying to find new ways to be outraged about all things Obama.

    What's so amusing is that so many of their temper tantrums have to do with not wanting corporations to be interfered with as they go about destroying our lives.  The GOP and their spokespeople have chosen corporations over people in every area: health, comfort, safety, economic stability, education, job security and well-being.  And yet these still rake in the votes.  I guess hating on the black guy in the White House is a successful strategy.

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:51:37 PM PST

    •  The RW does not live where food allergies (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh Mary Oh

      are a problem, or so it seems.

      I give away candies from a regional candy maker, and the labels for all of them now point out that the candies in this package or that one, there is at least one without the problem, are made in a factory with equipment also used for candies with nuts.

      This is not only relevant but critical to those seriously allergic to tree nuts or peanuts, a different allergy.

       It seems that some people can merely avoid the actual nuts, but there are a material number who can be affected by candy without nuts itself who can be affected by nut dust or small residual amounts involved when the machinery is used both for things with nuts and things without, I am careful about this because I have a kinsman who is moderately allergic to tree nuts, and gets wheezy and sick when he ingests any.

       This is also in R thinking an intrusive raid by big gummint, I guess, but it seems to me that all it is is making sure the ingredient list is clear enough to warn those with the heavy duty allergies that a product may contain amounts dangerous for them.  

  •  Love menu labeling (4+ / 0-)

    We've had in NYC for quite some time.  One of Mayor Bloomberg's really good legacies.  

    I can't even count how much crap I haven't eaten because I've seen those numbers.  

    Of course, the woman selling churros on the subway platform this evening didn't have a calorie sign.  I'm sure she's being dragged to a FEMA camp as I type.

    ======================================================== Those who can, teach. Those who can't teach, make rules about teaching.

    by oxfdblue on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:53:22 PM PST

    •  I haven't eaten at Chipotle (4+ / 0-)

      (luckily, I live in a place with zillions of authentic non-chain Mexican and Tex-Mex restaurants)... but looking at the calorie info example at the top of this diary, I bet it really has influenced a lot of people's food choices. I wouldn't have guessed that the calorie counts in the various salsas would be so different.

      I thought Heritage and these other "libertarian" thinkers were all about people making responsible choices. It's not possible to do that without information. There is no way (aside from taking a sample to a lab for analysis) that people can just divine the amount of calories, sodium, etc.  in a restaurant meal. It's no surprise that Heritage is against this labeling, because their only actual job is to shill for corporations. Like every other right-wing organization.

  •  Per FOX News, it's a menu! (5+ / 0-)

    FRAGILE'? ... Must be French..

    by jwinIL14 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 05:56:13 PM PST

  •  If you provide real information, (3+ / 0-)
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    Dragon5616, gardnerhill, Oh Mary Oh

    then some folks will use it to make Intelligent decisions.

    Heritage does NOT want folks making Intelligent decisions.

    God only Knows what would happen if Folks started
    making Intelligent decisions in the VOTING booth.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:01:48 PM PST

  •  The 2014 (2+ / 0-)
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    KenBee, Oh Mary Oh

    campaign has begun in earnest.  That is how  I see stuff like this.  Who is the source of the information, what do they have to gain from publishing and who gains politically from that publication of that information.   The Republicans have begun their campaigning using their usual plays.  Peel off some votes here, some votes there.  I can see the conversations now: "This story will resonate in Texas so let's release it now".

    That is how I see it.

    Life is not a problem to be solved but an adventure to be experienced.

    by DarkHawk98 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:02:58 PM PST

  •  fuck dominos (1+ / 0-)
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    itzik shpitzik

    stuff is bad for you anyway and it isn't even good pizza.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:03:52 PM PST

  •  Know what's really crazy? (2+ / 0-)
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    gardnerhill, Oh Mary Oh

    That a few consumer friendly tweeks aside, THIS IS THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION'S FUCKING PLAN!!!! I think they went "beyond crazy" when they starting lying about their own goddamn plan.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:09:09 PM PST

  •  Gee, thanks Kos (1+ / 0-)
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    I kinda miss the old substantive commentaries, but if calorie counting wins us the 2014 and 2016 elections, I guess I'm all in.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:11:20 PM PST

  •  with our Obamasavings Imma gonna eat. (0+ / 0-)

    it'll probably kill me, eating has a bad track record...Obammer is helping me eat more, therefore Obummer is ebil.

    Thank you Heritage, yer the best ever.

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:12:33 PM PST

  •  "Welcome to McDonald's, can I ... (0+ / 0-)

    ...take your order?"

    "Yes, I would like 322 calories of your #3 meal."

    Caution: The reality in the mirror may be closer than it appears.

    by glb3 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:19:37 PM PST

  •  it's not silly at all (6+ / 0-)

    There really is an epic struggle going on here over who will control what you eat. On the one side, the giant agribusiness corporations who are trying to control what you eat by bombarding you with a relentless flood of advertising, and by doing their best to suppress any information that might clue you in that there's any alternative to the "food" they're offering you.

    On the other side, President Obama and anyone else who tries to offer you information that would empower you to make your own healthy choices about what to eat.

    The Heritage Foundation is absolutely right that President Obama is trying to seize control over what we eat from somebody. Of course they are distorting the case a wee bit by suggesting that he is trying to seize control from you. Really, he's just trying to snatch it out of the cold, dead hand of Agribusiness. Almost like it was a gun, or something. And we can't have that, can we?

  •  The stupidity of knee jerk Conservatives... (0+ / 0-)

    ...never ceases to amaze.  It is only equaled by the stupidity of knee jerk liberals.  Inform the public on the unvarnished facts and let them decide.

  •  Actually, it's not that simple (1+ / 0-)
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    Domino's, like other pizza places, gives you a smaller amount of toppings when you add additional toppings. So, if you buy two toppings you only get about 75% each of what a one-topping pizza provides. But they don't want to advertise this fact, because fewer people will order the multi-topping pizzas, which are the biggest moneymakers. If you look at their nutrition guide (pdf), you can see how difficult it is to figure out anything. Interesting, they claim that their cheese pizzas have one-third to one-half more cheese than pizzas with toppings.

    The Most Dangerous Man in America: Rush Limbaugh's Assault on Reason (

    by JohnKWilson on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:30:09 PM PST

  •  We survived calorie counts in NYC (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    and the world didn't end and we didn't become some commie commune.  You can see the calorie counts and make up your own mind. Do you really want the pizza with 1900 to 2100 calories all in one meal? Your choice. You still have freedom of choice to order it and eat it. No one is saying you can't eat it but when you do you have more info about what you are eating.

    The restaurants in NYC already have to follow the calorie count disclosure rules. Oh look...Domino's Pizza has outlets in NYC.  They have somehow managed to do it in NYC with their menu and combos. Just take the info you provide in NYC and do it elsewhere. I call BS.

    Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

    by karma5230 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:46:26 PM PST

  •  34 MILLION ways???!!! To make a friggin' Dominos (1+ / 0-)
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    PIZZA!!???!! ( ? ) ( ! ) !! ???

    Very scary indeed.

    The govmint needs to please put a stop to this atrocity.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 06:46:54 PM PST

  •  This is one of the best changes in Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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    Radiowalla, Oh Mary Oh

    I'm a type one diabetic. Going out to eat makes me cringe every time because I never know how much insulin to inject. So, instead of risking a sugar crash, I knowingly inject much less than I probably should. This damages my health from having a high blood sugar episode.

    With Obamacare though, I'll know exactly how much to inject, because I'll be able to add up all the carbs and stick myself according to a formula my doctor and I have devised that, when followed, does the job quite well.

  •  controlled eating (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    The right needs to be afraid of something, matter how far from reality it might be.

  •  One minor unintended consequence to the (0+ / 0-)

    mandatory labeling:

    My wife is a recovering anorexic, and calorie counts are still a significant trigger. Our trip to California last summer was full of anxiety attacks and aborted attempts to feed ourselves while the calorie counts screamed at us in marquee-sized typefaces right next to the item names.

    I support requiring the information to be available in an easily accessible place -- but, for a small minority of customers, shoving it down their throats can be traumatic.

    Hope you fall on your burger and fries.

    by cardinal on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:00:41 PM PST

  •  Mickey D's has been posting calorie counts (0+ / 0-)

    on their menu board for several years. Obamacare has nothing to do with it. Heritage can't let the facts get in the way of their propaganda.

  •  Capitalism relies of full disclosure (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    In order for capitalism to work, each side needs as much info as possible to make sure that they make mutually beneficial decisions.  That way everyone wins, and capitalism makes us all great!

    And that's why conservatives don't want things like calorie counts or nutritional info readily available: such extra info may affect your buying decisions, and they are firm anti-capitalists.

    Right?  Right?

  •  Daley made the same argument when.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    .....some alderman was trying to require nutritional info on menus in Chicago, and Daley always had staff going back and forth with the Illinois Restaurant Association.

    Must be their talking point.

  •  Chipotle seems fairly forward thinking. (1+ / 0-)
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    They also accommodate vegans and take at least a little responsibility for animal welfare.

    I try to stop there at least once a month.

  •  Nothing wrong with posting calorie info— (2+ / 0-)
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    merely of minimal use. To pick just one piece covering this:

    Several studies show that even with the nutrition information clearly visible, consumers still order what tastes good, rather than the healthiest choice.

    A study by New York University asked participants in New York City to turn in their food receipts both before and after calorie counts were posted on menus.

    While most study participants said they noticed the calorie count, and 28 percent even said they were even “influenced” by the information, the researchers found no difference in the total number of calories people purchased.

    "No matter how we cut this, no matter what we controlled for, no matter what sub groups we looked at, there was no difference in the total calories purchased," said Dr. Brian Elbel in an interview with the University of Pennsylvania. Elbel is the director of the research, and an assistant professor of medicine and health policy at the NYU School of Medicine.

    •  Sure, but the other half of the story (1+ / 0-)
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      is that when consumers on a diet come home from eating that good tasting 1200 calories, they can record the amount and adjust the meals they eat at home.

      One of the ways to stick to a diet is to work things out so you don't feel deprived. Having to eat rabbit food when you are out dining with friends is a sure way to sabotage your diet.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 09:58:52 PM PST

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  •  If Dominos said "stoned college kids don't care".. (1+ / 0-)
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    .....I'd at least respect them more.

  •  After Obama reaches through your TV (2+ / 0-)
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    and snatches your GUNZ, now he's comin' for your potato chips, your pork rinds, your marshmallow Peeps, and your deep-fried squirrel on a stick?

    Ye gads! BUY GOLD!!!

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:33:31 PM PST

  •  My local chick-fil-a lists calories (0+ / 0-)

    and they're pretty horrifying!  A grilled chicken sandwich is like 800+ calories.  I don't think there's a law in Pa.  No other fast food place lists calories.  So here's a right wing outfit that apparently doesn't think it's socialism or over-regulation.

    Freedom of speech, in my view, does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government -- Bernie Sanders

    by OnePingOnly on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 07:39:00 PM PST

  •  The Heritage Foundation (1+ / 0-)
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    is a hypocritical mouthpiece for corporations.  Although they claim that they support the idea of a free market, they actually oppose allowing people access to the information they need to make the marketplace work efficiently.

    Without sufficient information, consumers cannot make enlightened choices about which products and services to purchase, which skews the market forces free market fetishists like the Heritage Foundation claim to revere.

    Their opposition to regulations like this exposes their hypocrisy.

  •  The Heritage Foundation: Heirloom Potatoheads (0+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 08:00:34 PM PST

  •  Even McDonalds--- (0+ / 0-)

    I was in a McD's recently, and on the menu board, the cals were listed, and the least was the chicken chili wrap. I ordered it because it seemed like the better option. It was pretty good. Point is, though, I made the decision. No one took away my freedom.

  •  Time to close up shop, then... (0+ / 0-)

    I doubt that anyone would dare buy your restaurants, or open competing ones, with those requirements still on the table.


    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 09:09:04 PM PST

  •  1200 mg of sodium in a Jimmy John's sandwich? (1+ / 0-)
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    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 10:14:13 PM PST

  •  Dominos' upper management is to the Right (1+ / 0-)
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    of Benito Mussolini . . . who gave them their bad pizza recipe, too.

  •  Isn't calorie data part of free market info? (0+ / 0-)

    Next, conservatives will say that Obama tries to control prices because they have to list them...

  •  Explain to me why the Heritage Foundation invented (0+ / 0-)

    Obamacare in the first place if they are so against it now. Would they lobby for the ACA if we called it Heritagecare?

  •  The companies don't want to shell out the $ to (0+ / 0-)

    make the signage.  They don't want to have to maintain the signage.  It's all about profit.  They'll make up any stupid rhetorical claims to try to fight this-- taking away freedom!  Forcing businesses to do something they don't want to do, so tyranny!-- but when it comes down to it, it's all about short-term profit.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 06:43:32 AM PST

  •  Note to Heritage: We're Not Morons (0+ / 0-)

    A short note to the Heritage Foundation:

    "Either you're all a bunch of morons or you think you're readers all are."

    That is all.

    * Bill Clinton made me a Democrat. But George W Bush made me a Liberal.

    by Mugsy on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 06:56:02 AM PST

  •  When will these fucks stop whining? (0+ / 0-)

    It's like listening to my kids.  "You can't force me to eat nutritious food!  I'll show you!"


    by otto on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 08:55:02 AM PST

  •  But there is an upside (0+ / 0-)

    Red districts will have higher incidence of heart disease and lower life expectancy, thereby decreasing their electoral clout over time.  Good to make these ordinances local, whee  Dems can implement them so that the effect is even greater.  Seems callous and almost immoral, but given political realities it is a more moral approach, since in the long run once the GOP is gone, fewer people will die from dietary induced disease foist upon the public by the modern GOP.

  •  i couldn't stop laughing (0+ / 0-)
    Chipotle didn't include a separate calorie count for "bean and beef burrito hold the lettuce add corn and tomatillo sauce" because they're not morons like the Dominos people.
    yes they are that stupid

    The Seminole Democrat
    Confronting the criminally insane who rule our state; as well as the apathy of the vast majority who let them.

    by SemDem on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 02:01:38 PM PST

  •  If Obama said... (0+ / 0-)

    IF Obama should tell the RWNJs that shooting one's self in the face with a .45 caliber pistol will kill a person, will they do it out of spite for the black democrat in office?

    If you tell them to not step out in front of an 18 wheeler doing 65 MPH would the RWNJ do it just because Obama said not to?

    If Obama said having unprotected sex might create an unwanted pregnancy would...?  Of course they would, they already do.  Though I'm not sure that the RWNJs have figured out what causes pregnancy, they're all convinced they're the products of virgin births.  Sex is only for liberals ask Senator David Vitters.

    I don't give a damn about the life expectancy of a group of people who idolize a glutton for drugs and food like Limbaugh or hateful birdbrains like Rand Paul or Ann Coulter.  

    Let them kill themselves with a knife and fork.  It's alright by me.

  •  You Have to be kidding me....... (0+ / 0-)

    Could someone who owns 60 dominos pizza joints really be that stupid?  If it's a TPartier, the answer is a resounding YES!  Let's make 2014 the end of this ridiculous bunch of racist lunatics.

  •  34 million different KINDS of pizza? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm reminded of that quote about Vivaldi.  He didn't write hundreds of concertos, he wrote the same concerto hundreds of times.  Isn't the reality that Domino's makes the same pizza 34 million times?  I thought that was the whole point of franchising -- high volume, completely uniform (and mostly fake) food.

    And, are there actually any nutrition regulations in the Affordable Care Act, in any case?  Isn't that the FDA's area, not Health and Human Services?

  •  Heritage Foundation's Diet of Words (0+ / 0-)

    They don't ever look at what comes out of their mouths either - and they sure don't want you to look too closely either! There's no nutritional value in there anywhere.

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