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  •  A GOP Plan (8+ / 0-)
    Give the Rich people more money and the poor people fewer jobs , lower pay and less benefits, then . . . and
    Can anybody really believe that the GOP sold a Plan like that and called it "Trickle Down Economics"?

    They just as easily could have said, "Pi$$ on the Peasants!"

    My wife, daughter and granddaughters should have more privacy in their doctor's office than I have buying another rifle or shotgun.

    by NM Ray on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 07:42:16 AM PST

    •  There are different jobs... (0+ / 0-)

      ...for poor people and rich people?  Pi$$ on the peasants?  We don't live in a caste system.  I would consider myself a peasant at one time.  I wasn't doomed to stay a "peasant."

      •  I read your comments in this thread (4+ / 0-)
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        you should do your homework and research before you troll here.

        “Vote for the party closest to you, but work for the movement you love.” ~ Thom Hartmann 6/12/13

        by ozsea1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:14:24 AM PST

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      •  We DO live in a caste system. And education (1+ / 0-)
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        doesn't help.  Only inherited wealth helps.  Which would be OK if the inheritors of wealth were superior.  They're not.  In the 'Modern Utopia' of HG Wells there are 4 classes:
            Poietics, Kinetics, Dull, and Base.  The future depends on the Poietics who add to the sum of human knowledge and the Kinetics who implement the new ideas.  But we live in a world (no, not a world, just a country, malheureusement the most powerful country) where the Base and the Dull rule all.  
            The worst invention in the history of humanity was firearms.  Before that, survival of the fittest actually worked.  But thanks to guns, small stupid ugly men can defeat large smart handsome men.  It started in the early 15th century and culminated around 1500.    

        Armed! I feel like a savage! Barbarella

        by richardvjohnson on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:31:59 AM PST

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    •  "Trickle Down Economics" has been disproven (10+ / 0-)

      It never worked and it will never work.

      GOP economics is just neo-feudalism but instead of farmland and slaves, its corporations and consumers.

    •  TAX the FILTHY RICH! Amerika Needs that Raise! (6+ / 0-)

      And Single Payer Medicare-for-All should be the health care for all Americans since it is the most fiscally-responsible -- employers would no longer be responsible for employees' health insurance, and employees would no longer be beholden to employers for health insurance.

      $15.00/hr. would be a good minimum wage because it is a marginally LIVABLE wage, something that every dignified working person in America deserves . . . so kindly share the dignity with the people who make the wealth for the filthy rich with their sweat, blood, health, and sometimes lives.

      (NMRay, remember how George H.W. Bush called Ronald Reagan's Supply-Side "Trickle Down" Economics "VOODOO Economics" during their presidential campaign primary in 1980 -- he was wise to the Dishonesty behind it.  
      David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, has repeatedly tried to atone for his sins and publicly denounced "Trickle Down" Economics as a lie to sucker people into voting against their own interests and give millionaires and billionaires tax breaks.)

      •  "Voodoo Economics" (1+ / 0-)
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        The only time a Bush was right when speaking about the economy!  Yes, I remember well.  

        We do not have a shortage of money chasing too few goods.  We have too much money in the bank accounts of too few people who have done too little to earn it.  Yes, I am speaking directly and pointedly about the Kochs and Waltons.  They should be targeted for excess taxes and they should not be permitted to employ a million people at minimum wage jobs and ride the welfare rolls by subsidizing their employees with food stamps and medicaid.  

        We, the people, have more to fear from Big Business than we do from Big Government.  Who knows how much we earn, how much we spend, who we speak to on the phone, where we go, where we stay, where we eat, what we eat?  

        Government doesn't have that information, unless it gets the information from Business.

        My wife, daughter and granddaughters should have more privacy in their doctor's office than I have buying another rifle or shotgun.

        by NM Ray on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:20:56 AM PST

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  •  How would raising the minimum wage... (0+ / 0-)

    ..help middle class families?  How much of a raise would be needed to put the lower income folks into middle class?  

  •  When you raise the Base, (7+ / 0-)

    That raises everybody!

    I work in State government and we have secretarys and administrative assistants, with years of experience making $10.00 an hour.  If the minimum wage is raised to $10.10 an hour, it may take a while, but it won't be long before those same secretarys are making $15 to $18 an hour.

    My wife, daughter and granddaughters should have more privacy in their doctor's office than I have buying another rifle or shotgun.

    by NM Ray on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 07:47:01 AM PST

    •  Ok, but what about cost of living increases? (0+ / 0-)

      Eventually, those will go up as well.  When that happens, then the poverty line will have to increase because people making the new minimum wage of $10 an hour, wont be able to afford the newly adjusted, higher rent prices.  So, housing assistance, foodstamps, etc will eventually be needed by the 10 an hour minimum wage earner.  It will never end.

      •  Of course. (6+ / 0-)

        Which is how we got to the situation we're in. And why we should raise the minimum wage and index it to cost of living, so it doesn't rely on political will to keep it high enough.

        So it never ends. So what? That's not a reason to not have the minimum wage keep up with the cost of living.

        The Empire never ended.

        by thejeff on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:07:16 AM PST

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        •  You think workers should never do better than (0+ / 0-)

          we did under JFK, despite productivity tripling since then?

          We have no right to a share of that massively increasing wealth production?  

          That's what "tying it to COLA" is all about.  Trying to make sure those of us at the bottom of the pyramid can never do better.

          It's a regressive position.

          "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:07:30 PM PST

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      •  false meme propagated by the plutocracy (1+ / 0-)
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        there is no direct correlation, in the current recession, inflation is caused by a shortage of dollars relative to supply, not excess.

        Counterintuitive, heh.

        Another way of looking at it is that raising minumum wage may slight reduce investor returns and upper executive (1% ers ) salary and compensation increases, causing them to have a sad.

        And we can't have that.

        “Vote for the party closest to you, but work for the movement you love.” ~ Thom Hartmann 6/12/13

        by ozsea1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:25:13 AM PST

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    •  Maybe, maybe not. (1+ / 0-)
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      It will ultimately raise the number of dollars many people get, but will it raise the standard of living and/or wealth?

      Minimum and near-minumum wage jobs are a special case because they have more to do with power than with value.

      Would it improve everybody's standard of living if we set the minimum wage to $100 an hour?
      Maybe we should try that, and see what happens.

      I would bet some people are paid at rates closer to their actual value than others, especially people with experience and skills that make them harder to find and more disruptive to continuity to lose.  Those people should not expect to see much, if any, boost from raising minimum wage other than the effects of inflation.  

      And that would be interesting: a minimum wage set at a point that could drive wage inflation, indexed to keep doing so.

      I find it hard to believe that a $10.10 minimum wage would be enough to disrupt the apple cart precipitously.  That's only about $21,000 a year.  Double the federal poverty level for a single person, and nearly 35% higher than the poverty guideline for a couple.   A family of four would not need two full-time minimum-wage jobs to exceed the poverty guidelines by 50%.  

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:19:11 AM PST

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  •  So when, exactly, can we declare neoliberal (5+ / 0-)

    economic policies detrimental to the US? This country is setting itself up for a new "crash and burn" without having the usual rebound between recessions. We are having a debate between "austerity" and "more austerity" while having a most dysfunctional political system in place. We can be sure that any relief, either by raising the minimum wage or by reinstating the emergency unemployment benefits, will be met by Republicans obstructing the Senate bills; will the Dems offer "bait" like Chained cpi to the bill(s) to garner Republican support? One thing is sure, a new recession will come sooner or later, causing just that more misery across the board. Scary in that maybe the next time the people will not tolerate business as usual. And in all probability the next recession is closer in time than the last.

  •  Thanks Laura (4+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 07:53:24 AM PST

  •  The minimum wage needs to be a lot higher (8+ / 0-)

    then $10.10 an hour. Why so low?

    •  Because only tiny increments have any chance (3+ / 0-)
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      of passing the House of Obstruction...and even then there will be a price tag attached.

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:07:37 AM PST

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      •  No chance of min. wage increase passing House. (1+ / 0-)
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        Boehner responded to Obama's $9 proposal by stating that he is against any increases in the minimum wage, so it would pretty much be DOA in the House, no matter what the level is. The current House Republicans are very conservative and most of them don't believe in the minimum wage in the first place.

        •  we DEMOCRATS don't cave to boehner's objection (1+ / 0-)
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          as a matter of "fact". We fight boehner on min. wage as a matter of principle and as part of the midterm campaign, LOUD & CLEAR. Eventually we'll get there.

          b'cuz? Because the American work-force is behind this increase & because it is the right thing to do.

          simple

          "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

          by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:14:01 AM PST

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          •  I believe it is better to start negations high and (0+ / 0-)

            work down rather then the other way around. This has been the president's problem from the start. He never brings the gun to a gunfight.

            •  The president's proposal required raising (0+ / 0-)

              the MW to $9, with automatic increases for inflation written into law, the highest raise in three decades. (That's what he asked for one year ago. Now he's considering a higher figure)

              If you have some historical data showing where a president (aside from T Roosevelt) got a better deal on minimum wage for workers, I would be interested to read it.

              "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

              by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:46:53 AM PST

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              •  T Roosevelt didn't create the minimum wage. (0+ / 0-)

                It helps to understand the background.

                The Federal Minimum Wage was part of the New Deal.

                Deflationary spirals result when wages don't rise with productivity.  Note that I did not say cost of living or inflation - because it's a failure to keep up with productivity that creates deflationary traps.

                That, more than anything, is what created the Great Depression - massive cheap production of goods that underpaid workers couldn't afford to buy.

                Bad jokes, like the President proposing a jump to 9.00 hr five years after he campaigned on 9.50 hr aren't going to solve the problem of getting wealth into the hands of the workers on the bottom so that our economy can actually function to the benefit of the President and other members of the extreme economic elite.

                "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

                by JesseCW on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:12:51 PM PST

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          •  If we're fighting for a principle, it shouldn't (0+ / 0-)

            be a minimum wage no higher than it was 50 years ago.

            "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:08:53 PM PST

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            •  I don't believe I've ever questioned your (0+ / 0-)

              principles, Jesse. Please do me the same courtesy.

              In my view the more immediate fight is getting as much relief by federal mandate for the largest number of working poor now as is possible. Yesterday wouldn't have been too soon. If left to red states, it's never going to happen.

              The question isn't whether $9 or even $9.50 is a bad joke.

              "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

              by Sybil Liberty on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 09:02:15 AM PST

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              •  I'm not a big believer in "courtesy". I much (0+ / 0-)

                prefer honesty.

                Right now, no raise is going to happen.  There is NO chance of this Congress passing a bill raising the Federal Minimum Wage.

                As a result, there's no excuse for "compromising" in order to get nothing in return.  There is absolutely nothing to be gained from it.

                The Senate can pass 11.50.   The House can shoot it down.  And we can get another 5 million poor and young people to the polls in the midterms on the back of that to vote for Democrats.

                Small ball bullshit is just an overt argument that it's better if Republicans keep the House.

                "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

                by JesseCW on Sun Jan 05, 2014 at 10:51:27 PM PST

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    •  Why does it need to be higher? (0+ / 0-)

      Remembering that it is a minimum and not a maximum,

      I will quote my own post:

      I find it hard to believe that a $10.10 minimum wage would be enough to disrupt the apple cart precipitously.  That's only about $21,000 a year.  Double the federal poverty level for a single person, and nearly 35% higher than the poverty guideline for a couple.   A family of four would not need two full-time minimum-wage jobs to exceed the poverty guidelines by 50%.  

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:20:30 AM PST

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      •  Higher so that is drives up (5+ / 0-)

        all wages and forces US companies to pay their workforces,not just their CEOs and shareholders. One can also argue about how civilized society is built upon valuing labor (or time,or life itself) and dis-incentivizing greed.
        Granted,tax policy and regulation have a large part to play here,but they are currently MIA.

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:52:39 AM PST

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        •  You assume a lot. (1+ / 0-)
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          First, that it would drive up all wages and that driving up all wages is automatically good.

          Never mind that higher wages creep into tax brackets at both federal and state levels, and that some people are already paid well for their work. An across-the-board push might be good, but would be more likely to push prices.  Wages at the low end are more a function of power than workers' worth.  I'm not convinced that's as true throughout the wage structure.

          But, honestly, why should the government want to drive up wages for the sake of driving up wages?

          I see a real government interest in not allowing employers to pay wages so low that the government has to subsidize the workers.  That's just insane.

          Beyond that, I would much rather see the tax structure equalized -- including an end to the so-called payroll taxes that bypass most of the earnings of rich people and put the whole load on the working and middle classes.  Probably an increase in the ceiling rates paid on unemployment benefits and reform of educational financing so that kids don't go broke trying to get ahead or finding themselves technically bankrupted by debts that can't be discharged.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:53:13 AM PST

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    •  Because the minimum wage cannot be too high. (0+ / 0-)

      If the minimum wage is above 50% of the median wage, it starts killing jobs. The labor-costs would simply be too high and job-creation would be hampered. Some European countries with rigid employment laws (not just the minimum wage) had 20%+ youth unemployment even before the current crisis started.

      Here's a nice explanation of the complexities of the minimum wage: http://www.economist.com/...

      •  Even for The Economist that (3+ / 0-)
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        is utter drivel and not particularly complex. Unsubstantiated editorializing that clumps together apples,oranges and bananananas with a side of discredited free marketeer Milton Friedman.
        We live on a wage led earth. Regulatory capture is bad.Crony capitalism is worse. Even the dimmest US cons recognize this intuitively. Too bad the misguided,racist teaparty is their response.

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:19:27 AM PST

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        •  The Economist is pretty liberal. (0+ / 0-)

          Endorsing Obama twice, and the article refers to Milton Friedman's argument as being wrong. Anyway, there are limits to how far the minimum wage can rise. You could not increase it to $15 or higher without facing severe repercussions.

          •  Endorsing Obama is liberal? (1+ / 0-)
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            Given his opponents,I'd say it was common sense. But then,I'm not a liberal.
            Currently,the government is subsidizing wages for all those companies who do not pay a living wage (a fact noted in The Economist) At the same time,these subsidized-by-moi (US taxpayer) businesses are paying their upmost mgmt. & shareholders $$$$$ and sitting on record cash while paying govt. off to get the laws (tax,labor,inheritance,environmental etc.) written that they "need". Obscene and as history shows,a path to revolution.
            BTW,at 15$ an hour and presuming a 40hr. work week, a single individual would make $31200 (AGI yet!!!). Still low enough to qualify for subsidized insurance under the ACA in some states That is what capitalism hath wrought. The US can do so much better for itself.

            "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

            by tardis10 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:09:13 AM PST

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            •  $15 now is impossible. (0+ / 0-)

              If you tried to introduce an economy-wide $15 minimum wage, there would be massive disruption and many jobs lost, with unemployment spiking up. Historically, the purpose of the minimum wage was to keep workers just above the poverty level. Today's $7.25 fails miserably even at that, whereas the $10.10 level would probably accomplish it. A $15 level would require years of planning, and gradual implementation across different sectors. The SeaTac initiative only applies to certain sectors, and even that has been diminished by the judges ruling. Needless to say, it will be fascinating to see the effects of the proposed minimum wage hikes in both SeaTac and now Seattle itself.

              •  erm,How Soon is Now? (1+ / 0-)
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                Sorry could not resist The Smiths reference.
                As you note,we will see how this plays out. Now,where you see disruption and spiking unemployment,I do not. Right now, I believe US corp. are running labor as lean as they can. Overworked and underpaid Americans are commonplace. As are record corporate profits & CEO salaries.

                "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

                by tardis10 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 01:47:39 PM PST

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  •  Low wage areas/high wage areas (0+ / 0-)

    I live in a relatively high wage area, or at least it used to be so, before the recession.  For example, mining jobs and construction jobs are high wage jobs, with benefits.  People who clean at resorts on a Saturday were guaranteed to earn at least $75 for a morning of work, or $15/hour, because there was a shortage of these workers.  So people like teachers supplemented their income with this job.  The higher wage also made it worth driving a way for those jobs.  

    Contrast this to a low wage state, like where my son moved.  He applied to be a manager at a Big Box store, and when he was offered the job, for $13/hour, he turned it down.  They immediately offered him $15/hour, and he took the job.  He is now a teacher there, earning only slightly above this for a yearly salary, for 10.5 months of work/year.  The wage structure is low, so even those who work in jobs that get tips, get low tips.  

  •  $10 an hour is more kissing the GOIP ass (7+ / 0-)

    Can't we at least try for $15 an hour, like Australia, France, etc.?

    The progressive movement approaches reform like a battered woman, who compromises with her abuser to agree to be regularly smashed in the face if he doesn't kick her.

    How weak! Beggars asking for crumbs from their masters. Disgrace to millions who died to defend the average American from oppression by dictators abroad and at home.

  •  Honor work. Stop honoring greed. (2+ / 0-)
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    Raising the minimum wage will only help temporarily.  Lowering the greed of the owners/investors/high management will help more.  We need to honor work, and the people who do the work.  And THIS IS A BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE, so conservatives, you can't really get out of that mandate.

  •  Well . . . "polite language" is, after all, polite (1+ / 0-)
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    language.  And if any group uses "polite language", surely it MUST BE the Teabaghead/Republiklan Party, the one of "Family Values", and all such as that.  

    Besides which, the senile old Hollywood has-been ham, Ronnie Raygun, who invented the term, has been elevated to "sainthood" among them.  And one just cannot have a "saint" using "bad language".  Now can one?

    So, it's "TRICKLE DOWN" for all the godly folks on the right-wingnut side - with, "tinkle down" as an allowable alternative, for those who just can't help being at least somewhat realistic about it.  And just plain "PI$$ DOWN" for those of us who call things the way they are.

    Certainly, the minimum wage needs raising.  Certainly, the whole area of "benefits" - unemployment compensation, et.al. - needs restoration in the budget.  And, MOST CERTAINLY OF ALL there is a need for overhauling the tax system; and TAXING BOTH CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALTHY a fair and equitable share, to restore balance.

    O.K.  We're not "peasants" . . . YET!  But . . . ?  How long before we become "peasants" under the programs and policies of the Teabaghead/Republiklan Party?

  •  because jumping from 7.25 straight to 15 wouldnt (1+ / 0-)
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    pass even if we held both houses by 10 seats. better to get to 10.75 and index it. with more spending inflation increases, which in turn increases the amount the wage rises at the end of the year.  so with a 10.75 minimum wage, you give 10s of millions of workers extra money every check. some of it gets taken out in taxes, improving the states and fed's bottom line. the rest is spent, on necessities, like food and rent and clothing. inflation means that wage could rise to 11 dollars the next year, and eventually we'd reach 15.

    •  Index it, so workers can never actually (0+ / 0-)

      share in increasing productivity but instead can only tread water.

      Brilliant.

      But then, you don't make minimum wage and it's all theoretical to you.

      "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:15:07 PM PST

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      •  Actually, I do. right now any increase would be (0+ / 0-)

        great for me , even $1 an hour . politics is the art of the possible. proposing that WI pay me and other minimum workers $15 an hour  is simply not going to fly, especially with walker trying to eliminate income taxes in the state. but going to 11, which is roughly what the minimum wage was in 1968 when indexed to inflation, and then indexing it from 11, is a positive and in my view far more possible than going straight to 15 in one leap. i would argue jesse that staying even is an improvement from right now, where we are not even doing that, we are losing ground , in terms of purchasing power. while 15 dollars is a laudable  goal, and i would gladly take that level of income, aside from cities like seattle, ny, or la, where costs are already very high and thus a level like that is feasible, it s a much much harder sell in poorer states like WI, that are being run by nutjob R governors. replacing walker with mary burke or kathleen vinehout, and you'd see more interest in raising the minimum wage here.indexing the wage, means it goes up every year, and then the argument is how to keep the purchasing power of workers above the rate of inflation. perhaps inflation plus 10 cents? so say inflation requires a raise of 10 cents, then the actual raise is 20 cents, so you go from say 11 to 11.20 in a year.

  •  What's keeping wages low? (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm in IT and this is what I see.

    Assets have become disposable.  The cost of repair or cleaning has become more expensive than the cost of replacement due to mass production.  

    Assets are outdated as soon as they are released.

    It is possible to lease everything (from office equiptment to office buildings) eliminating the need of ownership.

    Unskilled workers are compelled to migrate, and because of existing laws, across borders and undocumented.

    Skilled workers must change professions and work places often.  They have to change professions because professions quickly become outdated.

    People must have different careers in a lifetime because the skill sets and knowledge of an engineer or technician become outdated in less than ten years.

    People rely more and more for temporary jobs (contract work).

  •  needs (1+ / 0-)
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    What America needs is a strong union--the AFL/CIO helped make America a more equal society, and operated as a countervailing force to big business.  They're no longer effective--you might give reasons for that--those reasons are probably true--but it doesn't matter.  Except for very few AFL/CIO locals, they have lost their clout.  They have lost their muscle.  They have lost their way--and lost our country's future.  Trumka has not been a game changer.  Maybe it's time to look to a whole different organization chart--the internet has changed most everything--but not unionization.
    Pro union people should be organizing boycotts--not of a whole list of companies--more specific.  For example--this week, no shopping at Target.  Next week, boycott all Kellogg brands.  Focus will hurt big business--and change the playing field.  Money is power--spend it wisely--and publicly.  

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:34:13 AM PST

  •  I would much prefer... (0+ / 0-)

    ...to sign a petition mandating a 40 hour work week. The problem is not the minimum wage. It is the use of overtime, particularly casual (unpaid) overtime to garner increased productivity from those who have good paying jobs. Personally, I'm really tired of having to work 50 - 60 hours a week to pick up the slack because my employer decided to reduce its work force to cut labor cost.

    Aside from reducing the number of displaced, skilled workers competing with teenagers for minimum wage jobs, it has the ancillary benefit of strengthening Social Security as more people would be making larger contributions.

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

    by itsjim on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:35:26 AM PST

  •  Inequality will be a rising tide. (0+ / 0-)

    There is increasing, if hidden, rage amongst the 99% dealing with the rising income inequality in this country. People are angry that so much of the gains are going to the super-rich, and Democrats should do everything possible to turn the conversation in this direction. Obamacare might not be such a big issue next November as many pundits think. The GOP should get hit hard with their support of plutocracy.

  •  Maybe we need (0+ / 0-)

    a maximum cap as well as a minimum. Oh no's socialism! All this talk about the economy seems to ignore the whole point of what the purpose of an economy is. Our present disaster capitalist economy is all about unlimited growth/profit for the global oligarchical collectivists, the psycho's who rule the world. This is detached from any semblance of a society that works for the common good for people and our stressed out planet. What is the purpose of replacing workers with either low wage slaves who work for unlivable money or automated machines that replace people? We seem unable to imagine a society that has an economy that works for the benefit of all of us. Greed unmitigated is not progress it's going backwards.

    Who cares about the race to the top or the new masters of the universe who is as the trader from Goldman Sachs said 'rule the world'. Time to stop believing that this is 'inevitable' and that people,workers globally are nothing but a profit loss or consumer's. Even that nasty cappie Henry Ford had enough sense to realize workers needed to be able to afford the cars they made. Why aid and abet our own planet and people's misery/demise and  call it the way forward or 'the world as we find it'. So insane to except this as the natural world order as it has always been called by those who want to rule the world for greed and power.

    Cap the top 1% and stop working for the 1%'s nasty agenda the one that always professes to be doing 'God's work'. BS it's the monkeys paw and it needs to go. Economies are human inventions and there is nothing inevitable about unmitigated greed and sociopath's who see the world as theirs to pillage and people as collateral damage or losers in their inhuman and destructive visions that Axelrod called 'the world as we find it.' Ass backward to call this an economy it's just the same old oppressive world view dressed up as the global free market where we all suffer while these assholes burn up the planet and humans are losers who need to sacrifice for the greater glory of banksters, entrepreneurs and the master of war. The market my ass.                  

  •  has anyone here ever owned a business? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Fight for fucking fifteen. (0+ / 0-)

    Harkin Miller is a shit bill that will lock in a low wage essentially forever, denying workers any share in increasing productivity and instead "putting the issue to bed" at far bellow a wage that will provide a humane standard of living.

    Supporting it is a kick to guts of the kind of workers Kos won't put on his front page.  

    We don't need you and yours speaking for us.  You're not doing us any favors when you presume to determine what's best for us, or demand we settle for shit.

    "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

    by JesseCW on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:05:06 PM PST

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