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From The Washington Post's Wonkblog: An analysis of ACA signups. Check out acasignups.net for the latest details.
Ryan Cooper at The Washington Post examines "The Benghazi-fication of Obamacare":
Senator Ron Johnson  has announced he is going to file suit in Federal court to force Congress to cut the pay of its members and staff. I’ll explain why below, but that is quite literally his intention. This bizarre action is indicative of the state of Obamacare acceptance on the right.

Back in October, conservatives had convinced themselves that the law was going down in flames. But now that it looks to be basically functional (if far from perfect) conservatives are fumbling for any reason at hand to delegitimize the law. Going by past history, the answer will be to turn it into a conservative pet rock: like Benghazi and the IRS stories, an initially suspicious happening which turns out to be a non-scandal or an example of run-of-the-mill governing incompetence, but lives on forever as a Watergate level episode in the conservative fever swamps.

Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine writes a play-by-play of confronting an ACA critic with the facts. It wasn't pretty:
I have been trying to figure out what, if anything, could dent their overweening ideological certainty. The answer seems to be, nothing at all.
Much more on the day's top stories below the fold.

Here's a super-important piece by Arit John on all of those "health care horror stories":

At the root of every debunked, cancelled plan, Obamacare "horror story" is usually a person who isn't as informed as he or she would like to believe. Usually that person is a journalist. [...] Obamacare horror story debunkings are actually just journalists calling out their peers. While the Obamacare "victim" — usually someone who's policy was cancelled — may be motivated by political leanings, an aversion to subsidies or just a lack of knowledge, it's not their job to give an accurate, thorough report on the issue from all sides. “The whole concept of the media checking the media is a new phenomenon,”  Bill Adair of PolitiFact told Poynter in November. There was once a time when journalists were a little more discreet with their critics of their peers, but now calling people out is the norm. And with Obamacare, which leads all kinds of reporters to pick and choose details, everyone (everyone) can learn something from the mistakes of others. Here are the key lessons from the last three months of bogus horror stories.
Meanwhile, the DCCC goes on the attack against Republicans over the ACA:
Democrats are expanding their Obama-Care offensive with Web ads in 12 competitive districts that feature people touting the benefits they’ve seen from the healthcare reform law, according to information shared first with The Hill.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s new online ads direct viewers to FacesOfRepeal.com, a standalone site that outlines the stories of Americans helped by the law.

“I take insulin and 12 other medications, and my daughter’s medicine costs $700 a month. We couldn’t afford it without healthcare reform,” Diane, from Denver, says in the ad.

Jamelle Bouie at The Daily Beast:
it is true that Americans are unhappy with the rollout of the Affordable Care Act. But we have eleven months before the next election, and in that time, millions will have received benefits from the law. Far from a parade of horror stories, we’re likely to see a whole lot of nothing, as Obamacare recedes to the background as an area of focus for ordinary Americans. The Affordable Care Act may never become popular, but it won’t drive voters to the polls like it did in the last midterm elections.

Republicans can still run on their opposition to the law, yes, but barring catastrophe, it’ll be irrelevant. The public will have come to terms with the existence of the Affordable Care Act, and insofar that it’s an issue, they’ll likely want to know how the GOP can improve its parts and fix its problems. Which means that, instead of rehashing the rhetoric of the last four years, Republicans should start to think a little harder about what–if anything–they want out of a health care system.

Switching topics to extending unemployment benefits, Bloomberg's editors urge Congress to act:
Of late, Congress has actually made the unemployment problem worse. Economists, including Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, agree that with interest rates extremely low, short-term fiscal stimulus would be the best way to get people back to work before unemployment erodes their skills and does permanent damage to the economy. Instead, legislators have focused on short-term spending cuts that do nothing to address the U.S. government’s long-term fiscal challenge.

Even with fiscal policy set on the wrong course, the government could have done more to help the long-term unemployed -- for example, by simplifying and coordinating dozens of existing retraining programs. [...]

Republicans say they’d be willing to extend the benefits for three months if Democrats find spending cuts to offset the cost. They’re wrong to impose that condition -- not least because extending the benefits will in large part pay for itself by boosting jobs and output. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that a one-year extension would add about 200,000 jobs at a cost of about $25 billion in fiscal 2014 and 2015.

Finally, on the topic of gun violence, Sens. Richard Blumenthal 
(D-Conn.) and Chris Murphy 
(D-Conn.), Rep. Elizabeth Esty 
(D-Conn.) and Monte Frank pen a must-read in The Hill:
Recently, a pickup basketball game of two-on-two started up in the fenced-in playground of the Child of Mine Youth Center located on the southeast side of Washington, D.C.

Tyrek Marquez of New Britain, Conn., had just finished volunteering at the center as part of a week of “Acts of Kindness” in remembrance of the attacks at Newtown. “All net,” gloated the 12-year-old after nailing his third 3-pointer. For many 12-year-olds, this would be no big deal. But, for a boy who has use of only one arm and walks with a limp as a result of being shot in the head just five years ago at a parade in Hartford, his jump shot is nothing short of miraculous.

During the week preceding the one-year anniversary of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary, we each had the opportunity to participate in events with Tyrek in Connecticut and Washington, D.C. Our time with Tyrek taught us more than he could ever imagine about courage.

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  •  And to what end? (48+ / 0-)
    what, if anything, could dent their overweening ideological certainty
    I can't figure out why the O-haters I know go on as they do, seeing everything this president does as evidence of both incompetence and diabolical genius, from insuring people to vacationing with his family.

    They know Obamacare will continue. They know we're not going back to Iraq. They know he'll remain president until January of 2017.

    I think they just like the rush of being pissed off.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 04:59:24 AM PST

  •  The last story made me cry (9+ / 0-)

    but so do Hallmark commercials. That's just me. I didn't cry when my husband died, guess the best buttons did not get pushed.

    How do the pundits describe themselves to the IRS? A bloviator who is paid? Who has like an office space instead of their own house?

    Hey , I am an unemployed (ie, retired scientist). No one would be interested in any opinion I had on anything.

    Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry. F. Scott Fitzgerald, the Great Gatsby

    by riverlover on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 04:59:42 AM PST

  •  I think you mean 'New York' magazine not ... (6+ / 0-)

    The New Yorkere

    Jonathan Chait at The New Yorker writes a play-by-play of confronting an ACA critic with the facts. It wasn't pretty:

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:01:01 AM PST

  •   "politifact" (aka bullshittafact) makes me cringe (8+ / 0-)

    from
    http://www.bcswan.net/...

    The whole concept of the media checking the media is a new phenomenon,” said Duke University professor Bill Adair, a Poynter adjunct faculty member who created the Politifact website.

    “People in the media are realizing that they need to hold everybody accountable, including their colleagues,” Adair said in a phone interview.

    What a smug a-hole, like he invented the idea of journalistic accountability.

    Bullshittafact actually is more closely associated with a long running media phenomena- the false equivalency: "if we make both sides angry, we must be doing something right":
    I call BULLSHIT

  •  Do "the facts" include the ones showing that (6+ / 0-)

    Obamacare is at best a mixed bag? And that compared to Medicare and even VA care which also are under attack because they model more closely the successful "socialized medicine" in various forms that give other nations more civilized than our own such a nice advantage for their citizens and even businesses, and that Obamacare has been and continues to be a nice "sell," but does not do a whole lot to address the fundamental process of arranging actual efficient and kindly HEALTH CARE for actual people?

    Yah, right, "it was the best we could have got," and "it's just a step in the right direction," and the seams and gaps that are becoming apparent and the fundamental fact that the real "benefits" flow to private "UNsurance" companies need to be cheerleaded over and shouted down... "Look, some people who didn't have UNsurance before will now have it! Choice! Freedom! Platinum! Gold! Bronze! Dirt!"

    (Speaking just as a nurse who deals with the evils and cruelties of privatized UNsurance every workday, and as a recipient of Medicare, and as a disabled veteran who gets VA medical benefits, who knows "we" could have and ought to do so much better, and in the knowledge that parochial cheerleading is a snare and a delusion that just prolongs the pain imposed by people intent on extracting the last bits of wealth from the ordinary person. And as one disappointed at how far the idiocy has descended, that so many of us are good with the idea that the rest of us "need to pay for their own UNsurance," however inefficient, not to mention self-defeating, that notion is...)

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:03:44 AM PST

    •  republicans are fighting it so hard (8+ / 0-)

      because they know it is the first step down the road of single-payer healthcare.  They KNOW this.  It is purely ideological and all of us have to continue to fight for:

      a.  letting everyone into Obamacare, to start.  Anyone who can get insurance through their employer should not be shut out of the exchanges.

      b.  moving toward taxes to fund healthcare for everyone.

      We need to work toward those goals.  When "poor" people are getting better insurance than folks who are not so "poor", the middle class will holler.  And then we begin the real move to single payer, where everyone kicks in and everyone gets treated.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:19:38 AM PST

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      •  yeah! (2+ / 0-)
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        the first step to eliminating the overhead on crack is to force everyone to buy crack from a dealer, so we all hate it enough to stop.....

        We are hoarse from hollering about the same shit that's been going on for decades, guess what, they're not listening.

        •  PPACA is the farthest we've gotten (2+ / 0-)
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          in healthcare reform in my 70+ years on the planet.  Sorry it's not Amazon.com-like where you push a button and your healthcare is delivered on your doorstep.

          Fight for it harder.  Recruit and elect legislators that think as you do.  Explain to your friends and neighbors how it should work....use their own situations to show how it could be better.

          Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

          by PsychoSavannah on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 07:20:24 AM PST

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    •  What do you want? A single payer system that (7+ / 0-)

      is a lot more affordable and cuts insurance companies as we know them to the bone? (yeah. Me too!)

      For the life of me, I have no clue as to why ins cos are whining about Obamacare: guaranteed sign-ups is a pretty sweet thing.

      My preliminary look at coverage is its going to cost me $200/month MORE than I was paying and what I was paying was ridiculous.

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:20:16 AM PST

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    •  Do "the facts" include the ones showing that (1+ / 0-)
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      Obamacare is at best a mixed bag?

      No applecart upsetting allowed.

      "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

      by BOHICA on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:23:00 AM PST

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    •  Don't make perfect the enemy of the good... (6+ / 0-)

      True, Obamacare building on private insurance market has many imperfections.  But it's also the only politically achievable beach-head we've got for establishing enough success to build forward toward a more ideal e.g. single-payer system.  

      What exactly will be achieved by becoming such a harshly fierce critic of its shortcomings at the moment?  Unintentionally aiding the ideological enemies of health care reform who want to burn it down to the ground and go back to the way things were pre-2010.  There is no politically practical way forward toward eventual single-payer or other superior system unless Obamacare is at least enough of a substantial success that there's the political and backing to build on top of it.  Social security, medicare, medicaid, etc. were all initial foundations that were built on and improved, not burned down because they weren't perfect enough from the get-go to satisfy all the perfection ponies out there.

      •  Every time I read "Don't make the perfect (0+ / 0-)

        the enemy of the good." my blood pressure goes up.  However, I see no value now in joining those who are bashing ACA for nothing other than ideological reasons or a warped approach to partisanship.  Although the insurance companies kept a lot of what they wanted, several of the ACA provisions are a big bite in their backside.  Hopefully someday we'll end up with a public option as part of state exchanges, and we'll get to single payer that way.

        •  Do you know the reputed origin of that phrase? (1+ / 0-)
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          I used to see it in another form in very high performing organizations, usually in a form that supposedly originated with the Soviets: "Best is enemy of good enough"—with a very practical and even wise intent.

          The reason those organizations had that posted was the simple fact taught by experience. In a quests for the "best" timely and effective actual solutions had been delayed or even shelved with resulting overall program delays, cost overruns and even cancellations. I have used it myself in situations where I saw members of my team spending time we did not have if we were to meet a real world deadline completely out of our control massaging something to be the best we could produce. The crucial, absolutely necessary part the next stage required was being neglected. That part had to be good enough and in time to support the next phase or weather or some other uncontrollable would destroy the entire mission and project with sometimes catastrophic results. Put it this way, with a deadly storm bearing down, little time to prepare, seeking the best shelter and bypassing "good enough" can kill you.

          The intent is one anyone working with real world deadlines and problems had better keep in mind. A focus on the best, particularly in a larger efforts components, often leads to diversion from good enough to accomplish the overall job well in the existing circumstances. By no means did those organizations accept or tolerate shoddy or lack of effort. In fact, the program in which it was common was one of the highest performing ones in the Cold War with a zero tolerance for the phrase "good enough for government work" that was common among contractors and government people elsewhere. One use of that and you were in an unpleasantly memorable experience!

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 07:06:30 AM PST

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          •  Well Voltaire seems to get the most credit for it (1+ / 0-)
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            but most likely goes back to antiquity all over the place.

            •  Yes, it has a long history in some form. It was (0+ / 0-)

              apparently well established policy during the WW II period in Soviet policy. I've heard it associated with many things there of the era by later generations. For example, I remember one discussion using the AK-47 example, by far not the "best" even Soviet technology of the time might have produced given lots of time. Damn good enough to produce quickly and in quantity and reliable enough to drop in a mud puddle and still kill Germans. Heard it with regard to the sloppy old T-34, lacking the "elegance" of some German weapons, rather "ugly" without the nice German technical polish but "The great value of the T34 was its simple design which made it easy to manufacture and easy to repair." And it was feared by the Germans, who often floundered about seeking that magical "best" wonder weapon in tanks and a myriad other items.

              Most organizations and people that actually have to get things done in the face of real world conditions before something, schedule, budget, someone else or nature bites them in the ass, have a well developed sense of when, where and how "good enough" has to trump "the best"—and no few in the eternal search for the best when good enough really had to do failed miserably.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:33:59 AM PST

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          •  BUSINESS is not GOVERNANCE. Or at least it (0+ / 0-)

            shouldn't be, though the two are now busily copulating.

            How you get to "policy" in government, which I think is the closest equivalent to "deliverables" in a profit-driven business context (or even in government contracting) is different in form and intent and consequence from how you get the funds transfer from the "client." The process of producing the PPACA was an idiot's delight from the start, in part because of people willing to internally leverage their Belief in Obama and Hope'n'Change (tm) and swallow their bile and go along with a "negotiation" that excised the most rational pathways from the git-go.

            Creating an efficient national HEALTH CARE system, as opposed to the nobody-knows-just-what-it-is MEDICAL UNSURANCE thing that everyone is cheering now that the computers are apparently working better for "signing up," is not some corporate team-building effort, exhorted on by managers mouthing whatever slogans ("Zero Defects," anyone). It's making a big part of our political conscience as a nation into something good and healthy that builds incentives to PROVIDE HEALTH CARE and encourage good health rather than more codes and incentives to hide costs and bill for procedures and deny coverage and discourage doctors and STILL bankrupt people in the name of what? Profit? Certainly not "fairness" or "decency" or even "enlightened self-interest" at a scope that includes all of us.

            One wonders which "highest performing Cold War program" is referenced. Looking back at the idiocy of all that, which is carried forward into current Pentagrasp behaviors that threaten our so-called "democracy," there sure was a lot of activity that measured at certain scales might be deemed "high performing," but in a little larger context was just part of a long-running fools' errand. (I also speak as a Vietnam vet who enlisted back then, and spent later decades reading about all that Cold War "business" and gaming.)

            My wife, who has a couple of pre-existing conditions but is fortunately healthy enough (as I am, at 67) to be able to work, in her case at a job that has employer group health UNsurance, has looked at what's available to her in the "exchanges." For three times the money (and that includes what her employer and she pay into UNsurance), she can get "coverage" that is meager and very limited compared to her current deal.

            Other politicians, including even some pre-Reagan conservatives, managed to put some socially good "policy" into action. Too bad the Koch types and even our Chicago gang have managed to undo so much of our heritage of comity.

            "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

            by jm214 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 08:51:41 AM PST

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            •  This is Tea-Party-Worthy Incoherent B.S. (1+ / 0-)
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              ...I  haven't got a clue where you are going with your ramblings, and frankly I don't think you do, either, except that you have some incoherent sense that EVERYONE is letting you down and screwing you over.

              When folks like you are included in surveys about support or oppose the ACA, you more often than not wind up answering in a way that gets you counted in the "opposed" column, indistinguishable for statistical/MSM talking-heads purposes from the wingers who are against all forms of socialist redistributionist taker-favoring proposals.

              •  Whether business, government or just politics the (0+ / 0-)

                intense and idealistic (often beyond any beyond any realistic hope) is counterproductive. Some, even here in what some claim a "reality based community," frequently see that on display.

                Oh yeah,

                "We should have a Constitutional amendment to . . ."—without a clue as to the complexity of getting one through the process—so I'm sitting out the dirty, slow, frustrating process until we start that

                "We should be looking at fusion energy . . ." so anything short is just a waste.

                Yeah, we should have had a single payer, improved Medicare like system with all medical doctors right out of the rosiest TV shows in expertise, dedication and perception in diagnosis and treatment and . . .

                But we did not have the national consensus, building one has been ongoing nearly a century and Obama finally got a not quite good enough, but something so that one of my grandkids with a pre-existing condition won't be kicked off the parent's plan later this year . . .and that is just one of the things this thing did even with the "idiotic" (and I've experienced that in the last 8 hours!) insurance industry.

                The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

                by pelagicray on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:20:42 AM PST

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      •  this beach head (2+ / 0-)
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        jm214, Laconic Lib

        is 50 yards back from the last one.

        Big money republicans don't want the ACA to die, the just want to make sure that simpletons identify the puppet on the right hand as being, once again, in opposition to the the puppet on the left hand.

    •  I agree. on a lighter note: (2+ / 0-)
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      Joe Bacon, jm214

      The ACA "approach" to as applied to roads: We just turn the federal highway system into a complete toll road system, the companies running the toll booths promise that they will provide paved road access to formerly dirt roads (the cost being born by the toll on existing toll roads).

      Prez promises you can keep the route you already drive on, provided there is a toll road involved.

      Cheerleaders proclaim this is the first step toward eventually eliminating toll roads.

      Plus Johnny-patriot-with-a-confederate-flag-who lives 30 miles off a paved road now has a paved road HE can't afford to use. but the road and the toll booth are now there.

      Plus young adults living with their parents will not be forced out of the car and pay a separate toll themselves (cost also absorbed by existing toll payers, or simply not discussed, ergo no cost just ponies!!) We also must require the chronological peers of these young adults who live by themselves to sign up or the plan basically wont fucking work for the rest of us single occupant vehicle driving a quarter mile to McPinkSludge folks, which we all eventually become to some degree..

      All of this to solve the problem of NO ONE getting to work on time because NO ONE COULD AFFORD THE COST OF DRIVING ON TOLL ROADS.... BRILLIANT!!!!

    •  Ocare lets me cover my 24 yo stepson (10+ / 0-)

      He's been in the hospital for 6 weeks now.

      I'd be pretty close to bankrupt without it.

      Excuse me while I butter my half a loaf, because it's pretty damn tasty.

      I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

      by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:29:09 AM PST

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  •  The title of this story: "GOP ignoring the facts (8+ / 0-)

    on Obamacare" is like a "Mad Lib".

    "GOP ignoring the facts on ______" is a truism in and of itself. Just fill in the blank! The only thing that keeps the GOP in power is their - and their uninformed, brainwashed voters' - complete ignoring of facts.

    "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

    by blue in NC on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:22:49 AM PST

  •  Obamacare may not be a rosy dream for (16+ / 0-)

    Single-payer adherents but it's been a godsend for a whole lot of our fellow citizens.  My daughter sat in the Walgreen's parking and cried after filling her January prescriptions.  Her cost has dropped to less than $150, from more than $600.  That's a lot more money she can spend on other things.  It's actually more than she needs to buy her own insurance.  She and her husband have been separated for 2 years, not divorced because her pre-existing condition meant she needs his insurance in order to get care.  As of Jan 1 they're freed up to move on, but she didn't believe that until she saw Obamacare succeeding at a personal level. Our internecine battles had that effect on a lot of semi-involved Democratic voters.  They got the message that there was no benefit for them, the insurance companies wrote the bill, it was another scam the centrists were running on the 99%.  She now knows better and is advocating to her friends, but the purists really muddied the waters.  

    I hope we can finally start working together on pushing toward a single-payer plan.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 05:43:47 AM PST

    •  So what, OCD? (3+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, I love OCD, askew

      DRUG COMPANIES get that money. Therefore the entire concept sucks and who cares about your daughter?

      Yes this snark.

    •  I don't think advocating for a single payer (4+ / 0-)

      system is being a purist.  It's working for what many of us believe is superior policy.  Which doesn't mean that I, or any other single payer advocate, cannot recognize and applaud the improvements that have come with the ACA.

      I have a friend who has a son in your former son-in-law's position.  His wife has very serious health issues, and the divorce has been on hold for several years because she is uninsurable.  This has kept their family in limbo and prevented everyone, including the teenage children involved, from moving on to a new version of their life.  Hopefully ACA will mean that the daughter-in-law can now get insurance and their lives can settle into a new normal.

      •  True, but a number of extremely vocal (3+ / 0-)
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        self-appointed single-payer advocates are irrational purists.

        Take a look at BOHICA's comment above, which snidely implies says that anyone pointing out a good in Obamacare is necessarily trying to hide it's faults. It's a garbage attitude, and plays right into the hands of right-wing "no reform can work" loonies, but is commonly voiced on DKos.

        "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

        by nosleep4u on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:29:26 AM PST

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        •  I don't think your calling BOHICA (2+ / 0-)
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          an "irrational purist" is helpful.  It may not be accurate, either, since what motivated his comment may be any number of things.  Resolute contrarian, for example.

          We all need to admit ACA is a mixed bag because it is.  As many Kossacks are fond of saying, we deal in reality here. I support the law for the improvements it made and intend to advocate for further improvements to rectify its shortcomings, with the long term goal being Medicare for all or something similar.

          •  Exactly! I never thought it was the ideal (1+ / 0-)
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            solution, just the most possible one- like SS and Medicare, the "IPO" was the product of compromise and deal-making.  If you've ever read the responses of liberals of the day you read headlines that mirrored diary titles re the ACA.  Now is the time to pull together and work toward the improvements we'd all LOVE to see.  

            My kid is exactly the kind of person who will join that movement- really turned off by the flurry of misinformation surrounding the ACA, really unable to believe it would be effective if Democrats couldn't rally around it, really annoyed that she bought the BS and didn't look deeper.  (God knows I tried.)

            She's going to be an effective activist unless there's more infighting.  

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 07:09:23 AM PST

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          •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

            Posting that Laurel and Hardy pic wasn't snide? It didn't imply the diaryist was hiding Obamacare flaws?

            What exactly was it saying then?

            Deny all you want, but it said exactly what I already described.

            "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

            by nosleep4u on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 07:35:31 AM PST

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            •  I didn't say it wasn't snide. (1+ / 0-)
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              The diarist was hiding Obamacare flaws???  Have no idea what you're talking about.

              Please read exactly what I said before expressing your outrage.

              The ACA has flaws.  

              Name calling may feel good but isn't productive and changes no one's opinion or viewpoint.

  •  Good APR Georgia...Thanx!! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I wonder how the congressional staffs (3+ / 0-)

    (and congress members who aren't Republicans) feel about Ron Johnson now that he has announced he will sue the federal government for allowing those federal employees to use their employment subsidy to buy insurance through the marketplaces.  Not allowing them to use the subsidy is tantamount to cutting their salaries.  The members of congress themselves probably don't care since they have far more resources than their staffs, but staffers can't be happy that they are being forced to buy their insurance through an ACA marketplace in the first place, and now a member is filing suit to effect higher prices for them.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:25:05 AM PST

  •  I would be more for the ACA (0+ / 0-)

    if we all had shares of large HCO's, like the people who ceated this "solution". Then at least the profit (yes profit) of denying health CARE to each other will go back to all of us. Just like if the Federal government was the middleman we could all share in any cost savings. Any chance Obama or any other Democrat on the Federal level willing to divvy up there HCO holdings with the rest of Us? Hellooooo....

    I'm just sure the HCO's will do the right thing, turn their back on their large shareholders/former and current politicians, and build less profit into their business models. Yup, gonna happen in 1,2,3....

    •  oooh, burn! (0+ / 0-)

      yes, and that has as much of a chance of passing as single payer did in 2010, but at least you have your pure, smug, and false sense of superiority.
      Totally worthless in terms of actually accomplishing anything, but anyway, obamasux.    

    •  Actually the ACA dents their profits (1+ / 0-)
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      due to the requirement that 85% of premiums be spent on actual healthcare services for participants, not on shareholder dividends, larger salaries for CEOs and other high-level managers, fancy new office buildings, and all that.

      Bending the curve on health care expenditures means that health care stocks are no longer going to be the bonanza for investors that they have become in the past 10 years or so -- they'll be more like regulated utilities. People who want huge exciting returns will have to find a different sector -- trips to Mars, perhaps, or yacht-builders. Or there's always solar panels and wind turbines.

  •  This is what we're up against: (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Nothing will convince these nutters, especially since they have well paid liars to stir them up.  

    •  saw a pic on facebook (1+ / 0-)
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      it was with some post talking about how they wish they were born in the 40's, cuz everything was better back then (for white conservative christians).  Then they had some unflattering pic of Obama from high school smoking weed or something, with a caption something like "this guy designed your healthcare plan".
      IOW, no, there's not much point in trying to reason with those dipshits.  
      The ACA-haters on this site are bad enough.  

  •  Obamacare (0+ / 0-)

    So why haven't we heard the demographics of the 2+ million enrollees?  Perchance the mix doesn't fit the regimes narrative.  Insurance company bailout is the next stop on the trainwreck known as Barack Obamacare.

  •  Regarding Jonathan Chait's piece: (2+ / 0-)
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    The same dynamic happens in many other spheres of discourse:  global climate change, evolution, etc.

    The dynamic is that no amount of proof relating to the subject (e.g., climate change has been modeled and measured) will cause the denialist to change their position.

    Which has led at least one public figure in science to say that they first thing they ask a denialist is "What evidence would it take to change your mind?"  If, as often happens (after much prevarication) the denialist admits that no evidence will change their mind, then it's clear there's no sense in discussing the subject with them.  (And, if done in a public domain, everyone else gets to see the denialist for what they are.)

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 07:37:14 AM PST

  •  I am always amused at people who expect (1+ / 0-)
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    instant perfection, as if they were brewing instant coffee.  As a rule, they themselves have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to offer by way of alternative to the current "best achievable" - Vide Boehner's repeated insistence that the Teabaghead/Republiklans did have an "alternative", while he wasted time, effort, and energy some 45 times, trying to get the ACA either "repealed", or "unfunded", WITHOUT EVER A WORD ON WHAT THAT REPUBLIKLAN ALTERNATIVE MIGHT BE!

    And, I am equally amused with those who keep insisting that the ACA is "bad medicine/medical-practice" as well.  REFORM OF INSURANCE TO PAY FOR CARE IS NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF, "CARE"  The Teabaghead/Republiklansmen, and women, could not care less about the realities of HEALTH CARE as such.  Just so long as the poor, the homeless, women seeking abortion, etc., etc., DO NOT GET CARE! that is.

    The Teabaghead/Republiklan Party has one, single, and only approach to the whole area of CARE.  And that is, simply, If you cannot afford to PAY FOR CARE - at the highest gouges possible in the market - then get busy and DIE OFF; and get to hell out of the way.

  •  Anatomy of an Obamacare ‘horror story’ (3+ / 0-)
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    Maggie Mahar at HealthInsurance.org writes about how a negative article came to be:

    Texas daily went digging for victims of the ACA and Surprise! Reporter unearthed three Tea Partiers who hate the new law.

    The paper describes them as among Obamacare’s “losers,” but the truth is that they didn’t want to be winners. Two hadn’t even attempted to check prices in the exchanges.

    Meanwhile, it appeared that no one at the Star-Telegram even attempted to run a background check on the sources, or fact check their stories. I couldn’t help but wonder: “Why?”

    The answer will surprise you.

    It's an interesting read on what goes on behind the scenes in these newsrooms.
  •  Some demographics of ACA sign-ups (0+ / 0-)

    Posted December 13, NYT.  Early numbers, broken down for nine states, compared to the demographic profile of each state as a whole. The demographics of enrollees is likely to shift toward younger people as the open enrollment proceeds.

    "Tracking the Ages of Health Care Enrollees:Will Enough Young People Sign Up?"

    I can't help it. I love the state of Texas. It's a harmless perversion. - Molly Ivins

    by rsmpdx on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 08:32:03 AM PST

  •  imagine if Johnson succeeds, (1+ / 0-)
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    he'd be the most hated man in Congress.

    no request of his, paper clips, travel, plumbing repairs,
    computers, legislative language, will ever get fulfilled.

    Staffing for that guy, will be truly heinous.

    THey'd be the only staff to consistently have their pay screwed up.  "I don't know why the payroll database deducted $2000 from your paycheck, let me get right on that".

    He could become the non-senator, in a heartbeat.

  •  WTF (2+ / 0-)
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    I become a lot agitated by Repugs insisting that the Dems find cuts to offset extensions to UI.  Let the Repugs propose cuts and see how popular those cuts might be.

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