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Former Alaska Governor and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin prepares to speak during a campaign rally for U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) as Todd Palin (C) looks on at Dobson High School in Mesa, Arizona March 27, 2010. McCain who is seeking a fift
This vivid demonstration of John McCain's judgment will never get old.
Welcome to John McCain's world, the world in which the U.S. won a tremendous victory in the Iraq War, only to see that victory thrown out the window by none other than the guy who beat him in 2008:
Rising bloodshed in Iraq has Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) convinced that failure of the American military effort there now falls on President Obama's shoulders.

McCain went on Fox News on Tuesday morning to once again blast Obama for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq and ending U.S. involvement in the unpopular war.

"Could I just say, we could have left a residual force behind," McCain insisted. "It could have been done." [...] He indicated that the U.S. "had won with a great sacrifice," but the Obama administration "blew the whole thing."

So we go to war with a country that did not attack us on the basis of a claim that it posed a threat that it did not actually pose, the war ends up taking nearly a decade while costing thousands of American lives and thousands more Iraqi lives, it weakens our position both home and abroad, and yet President Obama is the one who screwed up because he brought the misguided military adventure to an end?

That's seriously crazy. As is this:

McCain said the U.S. should "get some people over there at a high level" to provide counsel to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
Because you know what he really means is that they should advise him to ask the United States military to return the country and restart the war we left behind. Fortunately, there's no appetite for that at the White House, based on this answer by Press Secretary Jay Carney at Monday's briefing:
Q: John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and some others say that some of what is happening on the ground in Iraq is a consequence of the U.S. completely pulling out.  And they say that the administration should learn a lesson from that and not go to the so-called zero option in Afghanistan.  Is the President looking at what’s happening in Iraq and applying that to his decision making on Afghanistan in any way?

MR. CARNEY:  Well, I would say a couple of things about that.  I don’t think -- I’ve heard members of Congress suggest this, but if members were suggesting that there should be American troops fighting and dying in Fallujah today, they should say so.  The President doesn’t believe that.  If they believe that we should not end our combat mission in Afghanistan, they should say so.

That's pretty much what they're saying now, and it's what they said in 2008, but no matter how much they say it, it's not what Americans want—and it's not what would be good for the country. Iraq was a colossal mistake. And that's something John McCain clearly still does not understand.

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    •  McCain already lost this argument (33+ / 0-)

      - at the ballot box.

      ---

      "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance" - Neil deGrasse Tyson

      by dzog on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:27:26 AM PST

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      •  Absolutely. Well said, and (5+ / 0-)

        - as Mr Lewison wrote, Iraq was a colossal mistake. We know who made that mistake to begin with, and it wasn't Mr Obama.

        I can't figure out why McCain is saying this now, or ever. As far as we know, he doesn't own any munitions plants or mercenaries. Why?

        Mr McCain evidently wants more people to die, which surprises the hell out of me because he spent five years at the Hanoi Hilton and deserves our respect because of that; he is a bona fide hero. So - what does he want now? More deaths? Hasn't ten years of that been enough?

        •  Is this a think tank talking point? (1+ / 0-)
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          Damaged262

          You really have to wonder who is giving these people their talking points?
          Seriously at least stay in side the ball park.
          This was a foul ball that should have never been.
          Total hogwash

        •  Respect not withstanding… (0+ / 0-)

          It cuts into the profits of the military industrial complex, so its back to war there.  (forgive me if this point has already been made, I just enjoyed your post and felt the need to get involved, I spent last night trolling a repug blog about Christie and needed my sanity back).  He obviously feels the need to make his buds wealthier no matter the human cost.  He already paid his dues, so it's time to reap the rewards of the pain he endured, let the present generation pay for his turn.  Hypocritical bullshit, but it's human nature to score some swag when possible and that's why they used him as the mouthpiece of this vile plan.  Not to mention the high percentages of minorities that populate the military, let's face it, they are expendable (in the eyes of the repugs, besides, some may be collecting food stamps after all, f*cking takers).  I'm sure glad I served under Uncle Ronny who was all talk and no balls.  Hell, you could blow up entire Marine barracks under him and he'd just lob a few high explosives around.  He sure did know his economics, though.  I'm being trickled all over, it's a regular golden shower in America today.

          I'm damaged and I like it, it made me what I am!

          by Damaged262 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 06:30:33 PM PST

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        •  Figuring out Mr. Mc Cain (0+ / 0-)

          Erratic and emotional are the default position for the Senator and blaming President Obama is just the easy way out of a more complex response. The whole movement to go back in time seems to be the GOP stance.  Whether it's Roe VS Wade, Affordable Health Care or looking to place sanctions on Iran while delicate nuclear weapons negotiations are moving forward. Going backwards to where the GOP was making the calls and we paid for a 10 year war In Iraq & Afghanistan, going back is represented by the 47 attempts to destroy Obamacare.  Going back is representative of the 700 bills in congress attempting with marginal success to limit women's rights.

            That the results are what they are in Iraq should not be a surprise, a return to the conditions prior to our military presence.   This country is not going to tolerate going to war within Iraq again and McCain knows it, so figuring out McCain may not be possible or a worthy task.

          Peggy Reskin Barefootfrontunners.com

          by preskin on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:42:42 PM PST

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      •  Bush caused this problem. (0+ / 0-)

        If Bush had not gone after Saddam to vindicate his daddy (there was no other reason), there would be no Al-Qaeda problem in Iraq now.  The US action there took one of Al-Qaeda's worst enemies out of power and destabilized the region (more than it already was).

        Of course, McCain would have the US invade Syria and every other country that doesn't conform to his values. How McCain can remain such a hawk after what was done to him in Viet Nam perplexes me.  Perhaps, he maintains that point of view to justify his having to endure those atrocities - or maybe he's just screwed up.

    •  John "Crash" McCain (7+ / 0-)

      Who spent time being tortured in a hell-hole because his father would not tell him, "no you are not good enough of a pilot to see action".

      Yeah, lets trust his judgement…

      I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

      by roninkai on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:15:46 AM PST

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  •  Please put some tap over his mouth. (9+ / 0-)

    He is such a self promoter

    •  McFlip-Flop Does It For A Reason (4+ / 0-)

      Who did it serve during the election for MCcain to say Iraq War should go on indefinitely? Oh look, his main benefactor, Harry Sargeant III, who provided oil/gas to Iraq. This man overcharged the Pentagon by millions-it was supposed to be investigated by Congressional Hearing.

      Once the election was over, I saw where McCain finally switched his position to war in Iraq should end. Surprise, now he reverses himself AGAIN to blame the President for renewed fighting in a country that never stops fighting. So terrible that the President is not endlessly squandering the life and limbs of American soldiers in Iraq! Apparently McCain has no problem with the pain of our veterans wading thru the administrative BS that he, the campaigning Veteran, never did anything about. Oh wait, he did publicly apologize for defunding Walter Reed Army hospital AFTER mold ran down the walls on TV.

       The resources of the American people were also being wasted as well, our economy sabotaged with war on a credit card. All for a war has raged between specific sects for centuries in the absence of a ruthless dictator.  

  •  It's never pretty when dementia strikes (18+ / 0-)

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:14:18 AM PST

  •  I'm confused, Senator McCain. (33+ / 0-)

    On the one hand, you want to "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. Bomb, Bomb, Iran."

    On the other, you want the United States to help prop up the Iranian puppet al-Maliki government in Iraq.

    Make up your mind, you senile old idiot.

    •  "When all you've got is a hammer... (9+ / 0-)

      ...every problem looks like a nail." McCain is an ex-warrior and his toolbox contains one thing: armed forces.

      The US is tempted in the days when we have fallen behind nearly every other developed country in the world from Europe to Asia in nearly everything: education, health-care, wages, standard of living (really, Republicans, it's true), environmental protection, well-being of its citizenry.

      We are tempted to use the one thing that we are undoubtedly leading: warcraft. It's tempting and John (the political whore that he is) McCain is the cheerleader for this losing strategy.

      We could cut DOD budget by half (at least) and apply that money to education and health care. Our citizens would be happier and far better off.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

      by TerryDarc on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:30:52 AM PST

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  •  Despite all this yapping (9+ / 0-)

    I've not seen any proposed declaration of war filed in Congress.  They should put up or shut up.

  •  Insert *FACEPALM* here. (13+ / 0-)

    Jesus, Captain Picard...bring 'em all on. John McCain has become a walking facepalm.

    Did The Black Guy in The White House cause the polar vortex too?

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:15:06 AM PST

  •  You can always tell an Old Boat Anchor... (23+ / 0-)

    ...you just can't tell them much!

    Rust in peace, Pappy, you old loser!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:15:33 AM PST

    •  The state of Twilitezona will keep re-electing (5+ / 0-)

      him clear into the days when Miz Linsey has to wheel him into the Senate Chamber so that he can give his daily/weekly hate President Obama speech.  He has to give these speeches as penance for losing to the Black Guy in 2008.  Old McDepends has kissed the ring of The Bloated Bloviator and is awaiting an audience with The BatCave Lady.

      When all else fails, try thinking!

      by edtheengineer on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:39:35 AM PST

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  •  THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!FOR JOHN McCAIN!!!!!1!!!111!!! (9+ / 0-)

    Zombie joke has ate my brains....

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:15:55 AM PST

  •  Just to remind people like McCain who whine of (6+ / 0-)

    Chaos.

     7 of the G8 Nations and the peace loving Swiss have had to go through chaos to get to where they are today..

    Yes I know the CooKoo Clock was apparently a German invention but you get the idea.....

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:16:14 AM PST

  •  more good news for (a delusional) John McCain /nt (0+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:16:33 AM PST

  •  "we could have left a residual force behind" (33+ / 0-)

    No, we couldn't have. Bush negotiated a Status of Forces Agreement that meant we had to leave the country and couldn't leave troops behind. So really McCain should be blaming Bush for everything, from getting us in to getting us out.

    Or is McCain saying he would have ignored any agreement his predecessor had signed onto?

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:16:54 AM PST

  •  RANT ON (17+ / 0-)

    This was DESIGNED to happen. What does John McCain think the legendary "surge" was about? We didn't increase the number of troops above previous levels (160,000).

    The "surge" was about a new strategy, of finding local leaders who we could "work with", arming them, and letting them become the law in their region. This allowed tribal politics to play out, and we picked which tribes won in which districts.

    In short, David Petraeus proposed, and Bush agreed, that Iraq become Afghanistan, with warlords everywhere. No one is surprised that the warlords don't get along.

    The idea that it is somehow Obama's fault that Iraq is not stable is therefore utterly dishonest. The "surge" deliberately ended any hope that there would be a strong central government for the foreseeable future. Bush chose that fate for the country. This was how he could leave Iraq without ever admitting he'd made a terrible mistake.

    George W. Bush remains the weakest person to be our President since some of the feckless predecessors to Lincoln.

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:18:36 AM PST

    •  I'd quibble with some of the details (3+ / 0-)

      For one thing, most of the tribal leaders that were supported by the surge and both the Bush and Obama administrations are actually against the extremists. The "warlords" are not the ones fighting the Iraqi government troops in Falluja, by and large.  The salafist extremists in both Syria and Iraq are actually against the more traditional "tribal" leaders, with some exceptions.

      The central problem is that the Maliki government has been pursuing policies that alienate the Sunni population at large, and make the tribal leaders that once supported the central government reluctant to fully back them as they fight the extremists. Several tribal leaders have been arrested, and Sunnis remain marginalized and underrepresented in the government.  

      Supporting guerillas versus merely withholding support from the government - that's a subtle distinction, I know, but it is an important one. Awakening leaders who the US armed and supported are not on the side of the Al-Qaeda types. They are less willing to die for Maliki is all.  Sooner or later, they will have to confront the ISIS and al Nusrah types, and indeed, some of the tribal militias are fighting them now.  The problem is, the tribal leaders grew to trust the US a little more than they trust Maliki, and they see the current situation as a way to pressure Maliki a little more.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:35:56 AM PST

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      •  Yes, the Awakening leaders are anti-insurgent (3+ / 0-)
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        vcmvo2, Dodgerdog1, JohnB47

        That's what I meant by "work with". They are more on the side of the US and Malaki than they are on the side of the extremists.

        I contend that the devolving of power to local leaders fatally crippled the Maliki government, and any potential successors. No one is in charge of Iraq, and no one can be. Bush put Iraq de facto under the "Articles of Confederation", so to speak, regardless of the actual text of their Constitution.

        Therefore, so long as any local leaders are not controlling the extremists, extremism will flourish. It only takes a relatively small area for Al Qaeda and the like to have a safe haven and bomb-building facilities and so on. The warlord doesn't have to actively aid the extremists, merely be unwilling to confront them.

        Bush and Petraeus designed Iraq to be a failed state. The alternative was admitting defeat and error, and Bush isn't man enough to do it.

        I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

        by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:50:16 AM PST

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        •  Maliki (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          blue aardvark, Anne Elk

          Again, I go back to the brutal zero-sum-game of Iraqi politics, and Maliki's own actions since the withdrawal.  The Awakening leaders distrust Maliki more than the Americans not because of their love for the Americans, but because Maliki is using some of the same strategies on the Sunni community that Saddam used on the Shia' community for all those decades. They fear Maliki more than they feared the Americans. Maliki wants a strong central state, but he wants it run by and for his own ethnosectarian group.  This is the curse of Iraq. I don't think things would be more peaceful in the Sunni areas had the US done nothing to empower the tribal leaders. In fact, I suspect they would have been worse.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:56:30 AM PST

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          •  I will not defend Malaki (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            JohnB47

            except to note that in a nation composed of rival tribes, each with its own paramilitary forces, building alliances of tribes is also a traditional way of consolidating power.

            If you recall the English War of the Roses, where various nobles formed coalitions and the various candidates for King were reduced almost to pawns as Warwick and Percy et al fought things out among themselves, you can see how feudal systems are susceptible to this sort of instability.

            So yeah Malaki is doing to the Sunni what Saddam did to the Shia and the Kurds. It is possible that this was inevitable, that you could have dropped the Dali Lama into his job and his Holiness would have made similar choices (or just resigned rather than make those sorts of choices).

            I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

            by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:04:37 AM PST

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    •  And US policy has not been to encourage warlords (3+ / 0-)

      In fact, the US has worked pretty darn hard to dampen the inevitable and unstoppable Kurdish desire for independence, and also to prod and push the Sunni community to integrate more in the central government.  The problem is that these centripetal forces existed before the invasion, the pressure had built up to a huge extent, and the use of "tribal" leaders and their networks has been part of the ruling strategy of everyone since Ottoman times - including the British and especially including Saddam himself.  I have a strange little book called "Heroes of Saddam's Qadisiyyah" which is like a phone directory for tribal leaders who were coerced/convinced to work with Saddam to fight Iran and quash dissent at home throughout Iraq in the 1980's.  It's part of the political culture.  To suggest that the US deliberately created a warlord culture in Iraq in order to better control the country is, in my opinion, simply not true. The opposite is the case - the US refused to recognize reality and just assumed that the Sunni community would support whoever the new government was in 2006.  It was Petreas who decided to use some of the same strategies that had always been employed, because the Bush Administration was totally naive and blind to the social realities and political structures of Iraq.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:44:00 AM PST

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      •  Well let me revise that slightly (3+ / 0-)

        the US eventually did support non-state actors... but only when it was clear that they would lose if they did not do so.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:49:07 AM PST

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      •  I think we're in violent agreement ;-p (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        FindingMyVoice

        The tribal culture which is a prerequisite for warlords already existed and was exploited by Saddam and everyone else as you note.

        The "surge" chose various tribal leaders and gave them the resources to dominate other tribes. We chose the tribes that were more closely aligned to us and Malaki.

        But the accompanying decentralization of power makes it impossible for Malaki to actually rule the country. It's as though we increased the size of the National Guard by a factor of 100 and put them directly under the control of state governors; how might a Rick Perry act?

        I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

        by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:54:57 AM PST

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  •  Unemployment extension (6+ / 0-)

    Here's an idea for John (a bit out of touch) McCain.

    Let's have the republicans pay for the war in Iraq, along with a hefty fine for destabilizing the entire Middle East and making a haven for radical extremist.  Then take that money and earmark it only to be used for unemployment insurance extensions.

    Now that's paying - for it.

    I would like to see a tiny, tiny bit of that money spend to register an internet domain name of "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" and list the name George W. Bush as the owner.

    If the United States will not prosecute the Cheney/Bush administration for war crimes, let's just fu

  •  McCain in favor of Gun Control! (3+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:19:33 AM PST

  •  Ignore McCain, the old man had too much wine. (1+ / 0-)
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    cactusgal

  •  I think maybe Johnny should set up a booth in one (5+ / 0-)

    of his favorite Baghdad markets and put on a nightly Vaudeville act.

    Because from now on that's as close as he's gonna get to bombing in Iraq.

    Or Iran, for that matter.

    Signature (this will be attached to your comments)

    by here4tehbeer on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:25:31 AM PST

  •  Consider the source. After all, (9+ / 0-)
    ...make it a hundred [years in Iraq]. We've been in Japan for 60 years. We've been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me...
    What an idiot. What an unmitigated idiot.

    Well, anybody who'd pick Sarah Palin as vice-presidential material...

    "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

    by blue in NC on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:26:32 AM PST

  •  I blame Sarah Palin's choice of jewelry for Iraq. (4+ / 0-)


    More is expected from us. The challenge in life is finding out the names of those who really give a rip.

    by glb3 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:27:54 AM PST

  •  McCain Blames Obama for Sarah Palin. n/t (8+ / 0-)

    The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

    by NCJim on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:28:09 AM PST

    •  Because Obama ran such a good campaign of course! (3+ / 0-)
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      pamelabrown, Matt Z, OleHippieChick

      Because Obama was ahead of McCain, McCain had to be desperate.  Because Obama was running a good campaign, of course he should be blamed for McCain's Palin decision.

      This may seem like just a snarky comment but the same logic was used by World Net Daily for why Bush made outrageous some campaign promise in 2000.    While Gore was doing well at some point, Bush made a promise that he couldn't keep...so WND blamed Gore for "forcing" Bush to make that promise.  I kid you not.

  •  International Nanny State (14+ / 0-)

    So the Republicans are dead set against the nanny state domestically, but they want to set up a permanent nanny state as a form of international foreign relations?  To protect the Iraqis and Afghanis from themselves?  It's just another example of extreme and blind GOP hypocrisy.  They just don't believe in the concept of true freedom outside of America.  They want to control it, but only insofar as there is a profit to be made.  Diplomacy is insufficient for their power-mongering, bloodthirst and capitalist greed.  If John McCain believes that they need a permanent high-level advisor then he should volunteer for the job.

  •  Send McCain as said 'high-level counsel' to Iraq. (7+ / 0-)

    Permanently, please...

    Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick

    by RandomGuyFromGermany on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:29:05 AM PST

  •  McCain is showing himself to be ... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    blue aardvark, a2nite

    ...the purposeful idiot mouth-piece for the repugnican't party that continues their use of say-whatever-no-matter-what the level of stupid/untruth as long as it reflects negatively on President Obama.  This will only increase as  ACA/ Obama-Care gains more positive traction with USA public/voters.  Soon they will start doing same for apparently slower improving national economy even though it has improved yearly past 4yrs. Always Forward.

    Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

    by kalihikane on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:30:02 AM PST

  •  I'm sure McCain blames Obama for the (5+ / 0-)

    Black Plague of Medieval times. McCain probably lost a lot of friends then.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM PST

  •  McCain where should the bloodshed come from (4+ / 0-)

    Exactly where should we leave troops to be killed or injured in Falluja, Ramadi or both?

  •  Shouldn't that be April Glaspie? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    snazzzybird, OleHippieChick

    If blame is going to be assigned anywhere, shouldn't we go back to the original source?

    "If you are still playing for Team Republican and want to have any honor whatsoever, you need to leave the Republican Party now, apologize to America, and work to remove it from our political system." - Brad DeLong

    by radabush on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:31:44 AM PST

  •  Try hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives? (6+ / 0-)

    We may never know the true death toll.

    "Nothing happens unless first a dream. " ~ Carl Sandburg

    by davewill on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:32:17 AM PST

  •  Two words synonyms with (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite

    the FAILURE of the John McCain: Sarah Palin

  •  And let's not forget why nothing was left behind: (7+ / 0-)

    The Iraqi government rejected giving the US military absolute immunity from prosecution from Iraqi laws, so the US pulled the plug on the whole thing.

    Anyone rambling about how forces should have been left behind should be confronted with this simple fact and asked what they would have done.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/...

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:36:42 AM PST

  •  If that old goat had his way, (6+ / 0-)

    we'd probably still be bombing Hanoi.

  •  Every time something happens (3+ / 0-)

    in the ME, McCain and Graham are the first ones out of the gate with the same talking points. Is it illegal for sitting Senators to lobby for foreign governments? Or is AIPAC not "foreign?"

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:40:00 AM PST

  •  Let Iraq descend into hell or rise to great (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, jayden

    heights.  On there own.  

    If I comply with non-compliance am I complying?

    by thestructureguy on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:40:02 AM PST

  •  I can't believe you posted this thought: (2+ / 0-)
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    So we go to war with a country that did not attack us on the basis of a claim that it posed a threat that it did not actually pose, the war ends up taking nearly a decade while costing thousands of American lives and thousands more Iraqi lives, it weakens our position both home and abroad, and yet President Obama is the one who screwed up because he brought the misguided military adventure to an end?

    All true and obvious, but the main point that everyone should be realizing is that Al Qaida had about as much presence in Iraq before we invaded as it did down in FL when the 9/11 hijackers were getting lap dances (for a contemporaneous example). Now they have effective control of much of the  country. In other words, McCain's main FP mission in life resulted in us giving AQ a reason to be there and a sufficiently bludgeoned society to draw recruits (many with US military training) from.  

    And that's just one of the two elephants in the room. The other is that Bush and McCain did their fucking damdest (although admittedly McCain was sorely distracted, as the pic in the diary shows) to get the Iraqis to let us stay longer as his entire neocon cabal in concert negotiated the demise of their enterprise back in '08. In other words, Obama inherited what Bush handed him on a snow shovel filled with dog turds. He chose not to hang onto the turds, in this case.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

    by nailbender on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:44:19 AM PST

  •  If there's so much devotion from the neocons (4+ / 0-)

    on behalf of a failed state of their own making like Iraq, then they should feel free to send their own into the quagmire -  I'm certain that any one or more of the 7 McCain kids or any of the Palin clan would be proud to go there on their own to liberate Iraq.... RIGHT.

    McCain never saw a war he didn't instantly fall in love with or a swindle he wasn't willing to pass off on America's middle class. This latest pugnacious steaming pile to fly out of his mouth should come as no surprise whatsoever.

  •  McCain can SUCK IT (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, OleHippieChick

    how many more dead soldiers would have added to the tally by now? and for what?

  •  Same guy who wanted Palin to be VP? (4+ / 0-)

    Why does anyone listen to him? Ever?

    “Hardworking men and women who are busting their tails in full-time jobs shouldn't be left in poverty.” -- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:49:24 AM PST

  •  No way! (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, Sharon Wraight

    We are well  out  of that clusterf*ck!

    They also serve, who only stand and wait. ~ John Milton On His Blindness

    by vcmvo2 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:00:23 AM PST

  •  Why is this our "problem?" (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    I thought al-Maliki was "tight" with the Mullahs in Tehran.

    Shouldn't it their "problem" now?

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:03:21 AM PST

  •  Sigh..Why are reporters still listening to McCain? (2+ / 0-)
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    jayden, OleHippieChick
    Question: What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?

    McCain; I think it's obvious that we would have to leave because— if it was an elected government of Iraq. ...  I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.
     link

    And that's besides the fact that Obama strongly opposed the war before it started, and McCain has been a war hawk all along.   If anyone should own the failure of Iraq, it's McCain.
  •  McCain is right. (3+ / 0-)
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    Simplify, Bud Fields, jayden

    If we would have stayed there for ∞, everything would have worked out!

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:04:28 AM PST

  •  New infusion... (1+ / 0-)
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    jayden

    ....of Oil cash, John?

    Misconduct by the government is by definition NOT a government secret.

    by Doug in SF on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:07:17 AM PST

  •  Transforming Iraq into an ally of Iran (2+ / 0-)
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    jayden, OleHippieChick

    and Assad was a brilliant, geopolitical master stroke, as well.

    (The Mark Leibovich piece on McNasty recently for the Sunday NYT magazine reveals him to be a hyperactive, raging adolescent, not a mature adult.)

  •  Each time he opens his mouth I feel sorrier for... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jayden

    ....Cindy McCain.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:12:59 AM PST

  •  Funny, I recall them asking us to leave… (4+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Patango, jayden, OleHippieChick
    McCain said the U.S. should "get some people over there at a high level" to provide counsel to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
    Funny, I recall the Iraqi's asking us to leave…

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:13:42 AM PST

  •  McCain can blather on (2+ / 0-)
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    kareylou, jayden

    If a poll were conducted today about America's desire to reenter Iraq, it would poll 90-10 against.

  •  Status of Forces Agreement (4+ / 0-)
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    Simplify, Patango, jayden, OleHippieChick

    What no one on the Republican side ever remembers is that the Status of Forces agreement in which all US troops were to be withdrawn from Iraq was signed by George W. Bush, before Obama even got into office.  Obama tried to negotiate an amendment to allow some US advisers to stay in the country, but Maliki wouldn't agree to it.  But the withdrawal of all US forces from Iraq was a GWB decision.

  •  McNasty (1+ / 0-)
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    jayden

    Needs to eat more prunes.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:30:44 AM PST

  •  We're so fortunate here in Ariz.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OleHippieChick

    to have Tweedle-Flake and a Tweedle-flakier represent us in the Senate.

    •  To Be Honest (0+ / 0-)

      I just can't comprehend how you could possibly sleep at night, what with all 'o that Awexome Sauce sltherin around, m'self. :)

      Turn it BLUE in 2014!

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      by Bud Fields on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:22:04 PM PST

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  •  We need troops back in Iraq? (2+ / 0-)
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    jayden, OleHippieChick

    What happened, did we lose our access to their oil?

    If you can make a man afraid, he will vote Republican. If you can make a man think, he will vote Democratic.

    by cosumel on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:33:33 AM PST

  •  Skies must be clear in Washington today... (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    ...no clouds to yell at.

    I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

    by Russycle on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:34:33 AM PST

  •  John mccain get your head out of your ass (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, OleHippieChick

    there is a little fact Mccain ignores.

    WE ARE FUCKING BANKRUPT.  

    We couldn't stay even if we wanted too. We don't have enough money period. we are so broke we are resorting to killing our own seniors and disabled as the Fix all solution.   see with active occupation or active war its easier to justify killing seniors and disabled.  just look at the history of euthinisation "Hitlers justification of killing disabled in 1939 "T4" program.

    iraq will never be a free democratic country unless they fight for it themselves.

    If we hand it to them, it has little to no value to them, thus fighting.

    I think mccain is more concerned with the conglomerates who profiteer over there having to spend some of that profit on their own defense.

  •  I used to have a bit of repect for McCain. Was I (0+ / 0-)

    wrong. First he tries to foist Palin on us, now this; disgusting.

    Those who quote Santayana are condemned to repeat him. Me

    by Mark B on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:52:25 AM PST

    •  No Shame at all. (1+ / 0-)
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      jayden

      You respected who he was. You disrespect who he has become. Seems logical to me, and shows an open, expanding and innovative mind.

      Nurse Kelley says my writing is brilliant and my soul is shiny - who am I to argue?
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      by Bud Fields on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:23:54 PM PST

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  •  So we invaded a country that Al Qaeda (0+ / 0-)

    was not ensconced in, killed 5000 US soldiers and over 100,000 Iraqis, and spent a trillion dollars, only to see Anbar province become the first real stronghold of Al Qaeda? In addition, we are allies with Saudi Arabia, one of Al Qaeda's main sources of money and propaganda. Takes real management to do that.

    I was reminded the other day of Joe Biden's somewhat ridiculed comment back in 2006 (?) that Iraq was essentially 3 countries held together by force and our best option was to manage the dismemberment of Iraq into a Shiite republic in the south, a Sunni Republic in Anbar, and a Kurdish State in the north. I remember commenting at the time that Iraq would eventually split into 3 states and that it could be relatively peaceful or extremely bloody. In line with the usual stupefying American meddling in that region, a trait inherited from the British, we have chosen the latter.

    Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

    by Anne Elk on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:53:23 AM PST

  •  enough already! Bush is to blame for going (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jayden

    there in the first place! Americans are fed up with these wars!

  •  httgg (0+ / 1-)
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    OleHippieChick

    my buddy's step-aunt makes $82/hr on the computer. She has been out of work for 10 months but last month her paycheck was $18010 just working on the computer for a few hours. read this…. http://www.dub30.com

  •  Give the old fart a gun and helmet (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OleHippieChick

    and send HIM to Iraq.

  •  mccain on iraq (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jayden, OleHippieChick

    being wealthy doesn't make you smart john.

  •  The GOP DC Corporate Media (0+ / 0-)

    Are all coming out with the same talking points as McSame , but I remember being outraged that Obama was even trying to leave troops in Iraq

    I am confused to why some of our fellow kossaks are also claiming Obama did not try and leave troops in Iraq?  

    One of the sticking points in the negotiations with Iraq was a US demand that American forces remaining in the country after December would enjoy the same immunity from prosecution as they do now. The Iraqi government, conscious of public anger over many controversial incidents involving US troops and defence contractors over the last decade, refused.

    The Pentagon had wanted the bases to help counter growing Iranian influence in the Middle East. Just a few years ago, the US had plans for leaving behind four large bases but, in the face of Iraqi resistance, this plan had to be scaled down this year to a force of 10,000. But even this proved too much for the Iraqis.

    10 / 21 / 11

    theguardian.com

    McCain and the corporate clowns act like we could subvert the will of the Iraqi people , can more than 2 millionair media heads point this fact out to American viewers?  

    Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

    by Patango on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 01:14:34 PM PST

  •  McCain.... (0+ / 0-)

    This is obvious proof that John McCain is a senile dumbass.

  •  I just wonder (0+ / 0-)

    if he had some investment in the uber-base/compound we built around the US Embassy? That Green Zone wasn't cheap to build.

    The Golden Rule isn't so golden if you don't polish it with every soul you meet. (-6.5,-4.1)

    by minidriver on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 02:03:21 PM PST

  •  Thugs:happy to kill thousands of your kids for the (0+ / 0-)

    ir delusions and ambitions.  And Maliki bc much of this is directly traceable to his political and secular ambitions and the tribes he alienated pursuing them.

    Nothing is stopping Thugs' kids from volunteering to be Maliki's cannon fodder.

  •  McCain looks ecstatic on CNN about Gates' book (0+ / 0-)

    Idiot is taking that book as an excuse to bash Obama more on foreign policy. Serves Obama right for hiring a republican and incumbent from the Bush administration. As sane as Gates is comparatively to Cheney, he was still onboard that stupid war in the Bush hyears.

  •  Next on Fox News, McCain says Obama caused WWI (0+ / 0-)

    Personally knocked off the Archduke Ferdinand, Obama did.

  •  Big Surprise (0+ / 0-)

     The Right has a way of blaming democrats or liberals for every problem in the country regardless of who caused it. When conservatives finally admit that we caused climate change, they will blame liberal for causing it thru regulation and not letting 'market forces' work. Wait and see.

  •  McCain? (2+ / 0-)
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    a gilas girl, jayden

    Sorest.  Loser.  Ever.

    •  Sadly true... (0+ / 0-)

      but nonetheless surprising how much damage he can do with all that press cache he has.

      ::sigh::

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      by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 04:42:28 PM PST

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    •  Don't Rush To Judgment.... (0+ / 0-)

      We haven't given Mittens a fair shot at the blasphemy...yet.

      That there race just ain't over. No, siree. Not by a very long shot. And, personally, I think Willard can actually take McStain on this one. After all, Anne's helpin'.

      Nurse Kelley says my writing is brilliant and my soul is shiny - who am I to argue?
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      by Bud Fields on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 06:28:45 PM PST

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  •  Grumpa McCain (0+ / 0-)

    Poor old fart couldn't find his head with both friggin' hands. Why in the world ANYONE would give a hoot what this doddering old fool says? (He's my senator, too. GAAAHHHH!!!)

  •  Blame Iraq for Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    They're the ones who want it all their way...either war or a peace that means we give up the Middle East and let them have the whole kit and kaboodle.

  •  Current situation (0+ / 0-)

    A read of the current situation:

    Falluja and Ramadi (Iraq) which were in US control are now firmly in control of Al-Qaeda. It was here in Sunni Anbar Province where most US soldiers died. The Iraqi-Army lost many soldiers in a major push to evict Al-Qaeda last week. The main roads between Syria and Baghdad run through Sunni Anbar. The civil war in neighboring Syria has attracted foreign fighters and strengthened al-Qaeda in the region.

    This victory enabled AQ to forge a territorial chain of control stretching from Ramadi in central in Iraq, 110 km west of Baghdad, all the way to the northern Syrian town of Al-Raqqah, 160 km from Aleppo. It also brought the Iraqi military offensive to a standstill. Soldiers downed arms and fled and units still intact started falling back toward Baghdad, dumping their heavy weapons to hasten their retreat.

    The leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has openly declared they will establish an Islamic caliphate and threatened Israel, Jordan. The Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, has acquired strategic depth in Iraq. Its leader Abu Mohammad al-Julani (Golani) is expected to announce that his movement will join the new Islamist state.

    All these events add up to Al Qaeda-Iraq, Al Qaeda-Syria and the Abdullah Azzam Brigades having come together for a mighty push to seize footholds in a vast swathe of Middle East territory, along a line running between three Arab capitals - Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut.

    US wants an alliance with Iran to counter the gain of AQ in Iraq and Syria. Obama has been clear on this. The Geneva accord is only stage-1 of the rapprochement between US and Iran.

  •  This is good news for McCain! (0+ / 0-)

    In addition, he just got the Colbert Bump!  Woo hoo!

  •  Somebody should tell McCain that he had 3 (0+ / 0-)

    debates with Obama on the issue of Iraq and lost.  The people elected a President who would end that war and he did so.  

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    by khyber900 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 10:49:01 PM PST

  •  Like the extension of unemployment benefits, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jayden

    no more wars without offsetting the costs. What does Senator McCain propose to cut from the budget to pay for another decade of war in the Middle East?

    "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

    by irate on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 12:59:22 AM PST

  •  What else would you expect (0+ / 0-)

    from a man who chose Sarah Palin as his running mate?

  •  What's on your so-called mind, Lumpy? (0+ / 0-)

    2012?
    Status of Forces Agreement? SOFA? Anything come to the fore? No? Didn't think so.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes
    Teh Twitterz, I'z awn dem.
    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:38:14 AM PST

  •  IRAC (0+ / 0-)

    I dont recall President Obama sending us in to Irac.But if Senator McCain would like to go and die with the other 6000 americans I'll bet we could arrange it.

  •  Was he having an "episode? (0+ / 0-)

    McCain must have been having a brain fart for the past 10 years if he can't remember who got us into this mess in the first place.

  •  Give McCain A BB Gun (0+ / 0-)

    Drop him off in Baghdad and let him do it himself.

  •  a fresh face (0+ / 0-)

    Is Paul Bremer busy? Maybe al Maliki would listen to HIM. I mean, he KNOWS the country... right?  ^..^

    Peace... the Affordable Alternative

  •  Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    Senator, with all due respect, where would we get the money to have stayed in Iraq.  You have a habit of supporting Dictators and lost causes.  You should ask your wise daughter for advice before speaking.

  •  Time Travel... (0+ / 0-)

    When can we send McCain back to Vietnam over and over so he can live out his victory over the Vietcong...as well as never having been a senator? For that matter...that also means Caribou Barbie would've never come to national prominence and still be freezing in Alaska being able to see Russia from her front porch.

  •  I think he's crazier than (0+ / 0-)

    Dennis Rodman.

  •  worthless (0+ / 0-)

    Since scumbag McCain voted against the veteran's jobs bill, he has No business sending troop he refuses to support, into harms way.

  •  How did He Get Here? (0+ / 0-)

    Mc Cain came in at the bottom 1% of the military academy out of like, 860, he has show again and again to be just down right dumb.  How did he get to the position he has now?  Yes, he was a hero, but that doesn't make you smart, in fact being a hero is the one thing a stupid person can do just as well as a smart man.
    What is happening in Iraq was predictable, I predicted it the moment the King of Fools, Bush, sent us in.  We were getting rid of a strong man, a secular ass hole, who might just as well been needed, when dealing with people who are willing to put a bombs on their own children's chests.  A secular asshole is better than a religious extremist.  In that part of the world, the vacuum an invasion  would create, guaranteed that religious extremist would move in.  Now women are being killed and tortured and so are gays and their one time enemy, Iran, is now their buddy.  We need a bill board in Baghdad that shows Saddam Hussein saying "Miss me yet?

  •  Rodman (0+ / 0-)

    Rodman was an embarrassment to the NBA, is grossly ignorant of  North Korea , and is making  a fool of himself.  It might be possible for him to lose his mind if he had one.

  •  I'd like to see a New Rule. (1+ / 0-)
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    George Bush had lots of time to raise taxes so he could build the army that Gen. Shinseki thought we would need.

    He preferred to keep his unnecessary (and elitist) tax cut in place, which I'm sure told Al Qaeda a lot about his priorities.

    I'd like to see a new rule that people who had the chance to criticize Bush and didn't, forfeit their chance to criticize Obama for not waving a Swiss Army magic wand and performing 5 miracles at once to clean up the messes Bush left behind.

    Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

    by Judge Moonbox on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:25:05 PM PST

  •  Nothing new about this (0+ / 0-)

    I'll never forget the "Cone of Silence" Saddleback interviews with Warren. The thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was how McCain's handlers had told him, in no uncertain terms: Your audience--in the sanctuary and at home--is going to be American Fundies. Just say "Victory in Iraq" as many times as possible in your allotted time.

    American Christianity is hopelessly corrupt.

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    by razajac on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:30:19 PM PST

  •  And how about the $2+ trillion it cost? (0+ / 0-)

    Would we even be having all the cuts in services, in social services, we have now?  Would our bridges be falling down?  Would we even have a deficit?

  •  McCain wants to invade every country we can! (0+ / 0-)

    He wanted us to stay in Iraq for 100 years. He would have had us in Iran with in a year of taking office and he apparently has forgot that Bush invaded Iraq and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush doubled our national debt with the two wars.

    I think the right wing nuts like McCain think that Obama is responsible for everything including the extension of the dinosaurs.

    •  You mean extinction (0+ / 0-)

      If anyone is responsible for the extension of the dinosaurs, it would have to be the Republicans, who needed them so Ally Oop would have a ride, and so that the Darwinians would be disarrayed and confused.  I wonder just how large that ark was, if it contained two of every kind of dinosaur, and their fodder.  

      Visualize Noah wiping his hands in satisfaction after loading the sheep and kine aboard, and then his face when an angel showed up with an entire Jurasic Park full of dinosaurs, extending far across the plain, disappearing over the horizon and beyond, and on and on beyond, great wains of fodder for the brontosaurs and their cousins...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

      by BenFranklin99 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 12:40:12 AM PST

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  •  But, but... (0+ / 0-)

    We won in Iraq!  I distinctly remember President Shrub in a flight suit on an aircraft carrier telling us so!  Unless, maybe, President Shrub was passed out on a barroom floor, and it was his understudy that told us so, but that's basically the same thing, right?

    Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

    by BenFranklin99 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 12:28:28 AM PST

  •   The Forever War (1+ / 0-)
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    From the movie, "Battle of the Bulge":
    Cpl. Conrad: I don't understand. If we have not won, and we have not lost, than what is happening?
    Col. Martin Hessler: The best thing possible is happening - the war will go on.
    Cpl. Conrad: For how long?
    Col. Martin Hessler: Indefinitely. On, and on, and on!
    Cpl. Conrad: But it must come to an end.
    Col. Martin Hessler: You're a fool Conrad. Those of us who understood knew in 1941 that we could never win.
    Cpl. Conrad: You mean Colonel for three years we have been fighting without any hope of victory?
    Col. Martin Hessler: There are many kinds of victory. For the German Army to survive, for us to remain in uniform - that is our victory. Conrad, the world is not going to get rid of us after all.

  •  Victory? (1+ / 0-)
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    portlandzoo

    What victory did we get in Iraq. Only GW Bush called it a mission accomplished. McCain does not understand that the Mideast is a big mess complicated by Israel and Iran and we have no business there any more especially since our energy sources are now in the USA. This Dr. Frankenstein who created Sara Palin should either be in a home for the aged or a nuthouse. We do not need warmongers like him running loose.

  •  I see that (0+ / 0-)

    "songbird" McCain is still singing.

    Please, sir, go back to one of your 7 (or is that 8) houses and yell at some clouds. They'll listen...

    "Please proceed, Governor"

    by portlandzoo on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 05:35:05 AM PST

  •  Vote All Republicans Out of Office (0+ / 0-)

    We the people can read right through their Bullshit. All Republicans are mere Puppets for the 1% "Greedy Bastards". We the people need to Vote All Republicans Out of Office, and Keep a Close Eye on the Democrats. The Republican Party has Ruined this country, from Citzens United, to Runaway Income Inequality, to trying to take away our Social Security & Medicare, to trying to privatize the Postal service. God Bless the Middle Class & All Those Fighting to get back in.

  •  Waitaminnit ... (0+ / 0-)

    Did we build the largest American "Embassy" in the world in Baghdad, and then completely abandon it?  I think not.  We DID leave troops in Iraq - we never went to any kind of "zero option".  Unless memory completely fails me, this was another of the things that they said that Obama lied about during the 2012 election - "If the war in Iraq is over, why do we still have all them troops over there?"

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 07:10:29 AM PST

  •  Dementia ala McCain (0+ / 0-)

    This fellow has always been a shill of the WAR INDUSTRIES!  Iraq wasn't a mistake it was a carefully crafted inside combined effort by the Media and the Military-Industrial Complex with the collusion of Congress and front men like McCain to send U.S. into another needless, expensive and debt laden incursion into another Nation like Viet Nam on a pretext viz. 9/11 like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident another proven false flag event.  And, the Amerikan people devoid of common sense and always jingoistic with a touch of psychopathology believed the hype, waved the flags and sent another generation of innocents to fight what was a hopelessly idiotic adventure over nothing but the $$$$$$$!  When will Amerika learn ~ when like the Jews during the Babylonian Captivity they endure an occupation and defeat by someone like China!  God help US but the ruling elite will be collaborators just like Petain was in France when Hitler's Reich took possession of Paris!  Vichy France we will become!

  •  I'm so glad (0+ / 0-)

    we left them to their own devices.  We weren't suppposed to be there in the first place.  Give McCain a glass of warm milk and get him back to the home before he wanders into the desert looking for Bin Laden.

  •  Kill Kill Kill (0+ / 0-)

    Yup John let's get some more Americans killed in an unending war. The Russians learned a lesson in Afghanistan the hard way so I guess you think we should do the same plus in Iraq as well.

  •  McCAin (0+ / 0-)

    McCain blames Obama for Iraq??  That's OK,,I blame McCain for losing the Vietnam War; which has about the same amount of factual basis.  
    I also blame him for the high cost of aircraft replacements since he punched out of at least two of them, maybe more.,,,

    I also blame him for bringing the officer corps of the Navy into disrepute with his spoiled brat behavior, just because his daddy was a serving Admiral.

    And more people want to know why he had the nickname of "songbird" while a prisoner of North Vietnam.  

  •  As a Liberal Step Mother of a Soldier (0+ / 0-)

    who did time in Iraq and Afghanistan and is now stationed in Germany, I say John McCain, to you and all your Neo Con Friends, bring back the Draft, and don't let  "the few do the job for the many".

    I have a hard time listening to Obama Wrongdoings when none of the Senators who whine the loudest about being Earth's Policeman keep their own children out of conflicts.

  •  If McCain does blame President Obama for Iraq... (0+ / 0-)

    ...it proves even more that McCain is growing senile and needs to step down.

    Hang in there and take care, everyone.

    Your friend,

    Warren

    Warren G. Richards
    Kayenta, Mesa, and Tucson AZ

  •  Who Cares WHAT McCain says? (0+ / 0-)

    McCain is an angry, addle-brained fogey.

    He says one thing today, and contradicts it the next day.

    He spends all weekend on whatever talk shows he can manage to get on.

    He lost, and he can't get over it. He picked Palin, for God's sake!

    The fact that he is still a senator totally amazes me, until I think of the crazy hardcore rednecks that keep on electing him. (I know a bunch of them)

    Time to go to bed, Johnny...you've had enough excitement for today!

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