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One doesn't expect genius from sports reporters, but one should be able to expect basic responsibility from major media outlets. We stress the "should be able".

ESPN announcers Brad Nessler and Jimmy Dykes mainstreamed the right-wing myth that cold weather in January disproves man-made climate change.

During the first half of a January 7 game, Dykes discussed a pattern of cold weather blanketing much of the United States and said he had observed a national television debate earlier over "whether or not global warming was still taking place." While laughing Dykes said, "I listened to about 30 seconds of it, but the guy saying no it has not, I think he won the debate." Nessler laughed in response.

Among actual scientists, this is considered settled science. The research is overwhelming. Now, it may be a bit complex for brains that aren't, but the existence of winter does not disprove global warming, and in fact, some scientists attribute the current deep freeze to global warming, an idea that is not new.

The ESPN announcers' ignorant irresponsibility may seem like a small matter, but it is not. Pop culture has a disproportionate impact on public opinion. And whether or not there is sufficient scientific evidence to link the current extreme weather to the fact of anthropogenic global warming, the fact of anthropogenic global warming remains a fact. This is not about politics, it is about science. And it is dangerous when people who have no idea what they're talking about are allowed to use the platforms of popular culture to promote disinformation. And it is particularly dangerous when that disinformation is about an issue of unprecedented importance.

Originally posted to Laurence Lewis on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:34 AM PST.

Also republished by Climate Change SOS and Daily Kos.

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  •  lotsa drivel promulgated via sports/dumb (6+ / 0-)

    it tebble, it hobble; honey lu been shot. - harvey kurtzman

    by renzo capetti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:56:15 AM PST

    •  'Tain't just sports promulgating said drivel. (3+ / 0-)
    •  Global Warming (1+ / 0-)
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      I recommend user fees on energy in general to raise the extra money needed to buy both renewable energy equipment and fossil fuel reserves as mineral rights at the same time.

  •  Take it to their level of understanding (7+ / 0-)

    Ask two questions.

    1.  If a college basketball team with a poor record beats a ranked team early in the season does this mean that the winning team should be ranked?

    2.  Does this mean that the losing team has no chance of making it to the tournament?

    No serious sports pundit would ever take the results of a single game early in the season as definitive.  There are simply too many variables for that to make sense.  The same is true of any single weather pattern only about 50 years into our greatest period of production of greenhouse gases.

    These people aren't necessarily stupid.  They are just choosing to not think.

    "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

    by LookingUp on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:59:30 AM PST

    •  Global warming vs. Climate change.... (2+ / 0-)
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      DLWinMI, slothlax

      Early on it was a big mistake to call what's happening Global Warming instead of Climate Change. Extreme weather events, like extreme cold, extreme hot, extreme wet, extreme dry, extreme wind all fit the term "Climate Change". Unfortunately, the American public does not understand science, much less nuance..

      •  Global warming causes climate change (6+ / 0-)
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        caul, slothlax, Turn Left, verdeo, AlexDrew, jqb

        It's the direct cause.

        But you have to understand that the source of energy in the atmosphere is the heat from the sun.  And it arrives at a particular rate.

        You have to understand that earth releases heat back into space at a particular rate.

        AND, you have to understand the implications of this.

        AND, you have to understand that when you burn a tank of gas, it does not disappear.

        I could go on and on.  It wouldn't matter what you called it.  It would fall on deaf ears.

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        by yet another liberal on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:31:06 PM PST

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      •  The stupid scientists didn't realize that (0+ / 0-)

        "global warming" was more susceptible to spin than "climate change."

        Stupid scientists!

      •  But extreme weather events are way down.. (2+ / 1-)
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        le sequoit, AlexDrew
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        in America.

        It is hard to convince the public of climate change when the facts do not bear out the predictions.

        2013 had fewer tornadoes (nearly half of 2011), wildfires and extreme heat days in recent history.

        The Atlantic hurricane season was a bust, despite predictions by  NOAA and other weather centers of a robust hurricane season.

        Is it any wonder the American public doesn't know what to believe?  And that sports casters are making fun of the scientists who can't seem to predict when we will see these promised dire consequences of climate change?

        And please don't label me a denier.  Only a fool would deny man's impact on climate.  The problem is with the models that have nearly totally failed at prediction.  People are losing confidence.

        Scientists keep predicting devastating hurricane seasons that don't pan out.  Is it any wonder the public (and sports casters) becomes a bit skeptical?

        And let's be clear.. we're talking about attitudes of Americans here.  Extreme weather events across the globe are happening, but Americans just don't get the impact if they don't feel it.

        •  There's a lot of sensationalism (2+ / 0-)
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          JJ In Illinois, MrJersey

          in meteorology. The pattern of scaremongering seems clear--If they predict eight inches of snow, I plan on four.
          People buy it, and I do mean just that.
          Daily weather and climate change are two different things, but I agree that too much boy crying wolf creates a problem with public perception (using the term almost facetiously).

          and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

          by le sequoit on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 04:11:35 AM PST

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        •  Cold weather events are way down (1+ / 0-)
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          It used to be that these cold weather events happened every 2 to 3 years. Now they are only happening every decade or two. People have poor memories.

          We used to get months of hard frost and freezing weather where I am, Canada's Pacific Northwest. Not any more. Sometimes a few weeks, and an occasional hard frost at night.

          Meanwhile,  bats fell from the sky and died from heat exhaustion in Australia.

          And glaciers and Antarctic ice cap continues to melt at record pace.

          •  Indeed. There is so much dishonesty in that post. (1+ / 0-)
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            Deniers lies about what the science says, what scientists have predicted, and then crow when they argue against their own strawmen. They cherry pick like crazy, comparing current against peak years rather than looking at trends and singling out one kind of event like tornadoes. They completely fabricate causes, such as saying that people are skeptical because of too few extremes ... as if we hadn't just gone through a week of bogus arguments that very cold local weather contradicts global warming, as if last year's conflagrations never happened. They lie about climate models, about which they actually know nothing. And they steadfastly fail to mention the actual physics of global warming, the overwhelming scientific consensus and the overwhelming evidence on which that consensus is based. Americans would not be skeptical if the deniers weren't so busy sowing doubt and defending it.

        •  HR for right wing denier talking points (0+ / 0-)

          Your claims are false and you have misdirected the reason for skepticism away from the cause -- a massive propaganda campaign by the fossil fuel industry.

      •  Sigh. When was the IPCC founded? (0+ / 0-)

        What does the "CC" mean?

        Unfortunately anyone who doesn't understand that what is happening is anthrogenic global warming and the current rapidity of climate change is an effect doesn't understand science. Also, anyone who says what you say is quite ignorant of the whole framework  ... Frank Luntz urged Republicans to say "cimate change" rather than "global warming" precisely to introduce doubt.

    •  But it's much worse than that. (0+ / 0-)

      The cold snap isn't a "loss" for the AGW position, it is completely consistent with it. This is more like arguing that a player who shoots the ball from across court into the opponent's basket and sinks it is a lousy shot because it wasn't the team's basket.

  •  How 'bout Neal deGrasse Tyson doesn't do Sports (4+ / 0-)
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    And you numbskulls don't do science? Will that work for you, ESPN?

    As an avid sports fan it's always awkward when anyone in sports media goes "off script" to talk politics. They generally spend zero time following politics so they are some of the least-informed citizens, let alone media personalities, when it comes to the subject. Obviously the topic of science is no different.

    Hell I'd be satisfied if anyone on my local radio sports stations understood advanced baseball stats. (Learn about BABIP! It's your job!) They seem completely averse to doing anything that might be perceived as "nerdy" possibly because their audience is mostly meatheads.

    There's a difference between a responsible gun owner and one that's been lucky so far.

    by BeerNotWar on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:02:07 AM PST

  •  The ability to catapult untruths as well as truths (6+ / 0-)

    … into the public subconscious is probably the reason oligarchies develop centrally managed mass communication in the first place.

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    by lotlizard on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:05:59 AM PST

    •  Excellent comment! (2+ / 0-)
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      Oaktown Girl, lotlizard

      You can remove the "probably," simply because it's patently obvious that "managed mass communication" has become not only mandatory but a major focus for BigBiz and BigPropaganda.  There is a reason that the USA is down to only 6 major corporations owning nearly all the mainstream media (MSM) and that the rules were changed to allow that.  None of the reason(s) are to benefit consumers of that mass media <---this is an understatement.

      They don't win until we quit fighting!

      by Eyesbright on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:52:17 PM PST

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  •  D Rodman is in N Korea, why? Because when (2+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, Eyesbright

    Stupid talks, stupid listens. Same goes for the 4 letter evil sports network.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:13:56 AM PST

  •  Well, like they say (7+ / 0-)
    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
    this type of example means that we're definitely past the first step, possibly going into the third already, meaning victory is that much closer.

    More urgently, I am disgusted with ESPN for butchering the English language (e.g., "the wide receiver was literally flying down the sideline")

    Um no, I checked the replay thrice and he wasn't.

  •  Don't subscribe. (1+ / 0-)
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    by enhydra lutris on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:35:13 AM PST

  •  Interesting; It's Illegal to Shout "Fire" in a (6+ / 0-)

    crowded theater when there's no fire, because of the potential to damage lives and property.

    Climate denialism is absolutely an identical piece of speech to crying "fire" when the claim is false, and the result is that lives and properties are being harmed.

    The only thing different is the immediacy.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:46:17 AM PST

    •  So... (1+ / 2-)
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      Eyesbright, tytalus

      Expressing views, or making off hand comments that don't toe the line on the scientific orthodoxy of the day (whether ultimately proved correct or not) should be suppressed and stomped out immediately... Interesting position for a "progressive" web site.

      •  HR'd for Rightwing Talking Point (3+ / 0-)
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        And from a brand new user:
        UID: 992425
        Joined: Jan 8, 2014

        They don't win until we quit fighting!

        by Eyesbright on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:57:38 PM PST

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        •  So you're the ultimate arbiter (0+ / 0-)

          on what is or isn't a "right wing talking point"? I kind of though the concept of the market place of ideas where people freely express themselves and then the chips fall where they may based on the persuasiveness of the argument was a modern rather "liberal" concept. Glad I've been corrected that anything outside the properly proscribed group think is a "right wing talking point".

          I think they are wrong. I think anthropogenic global warming is almost certainly a fact, but lots of things we have thought were "facts" over the course of human history have turned out not to be so. Comparing a sportscaster making an offhand comment to yelling fire in a crowded theater (meaning it's SO dangerous it should be criminal) is both silly and reeks of exactly the values this site is supposed to oppose.

          As for my newness. I have been a daily reader for over a year, but just today decided to finally register.

        •  eyesbright: I don't agree with your HR on (0+ / 0-)

          this one.  Farmernate might be new on our site but his comment was not that egregious warranting a Hide.
          He is making a valid point or counterargument and did it in an appropriate manner.  

          "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

          by sfcouple on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 06:24:15 PM PST

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          •  It's a straightforward RW talking point and (0+ / 0-)

            attack on the progressive cred of DK ... textbook HR

          •  P.S. His argument is completely illegitimate (0+ / 0-)

            The L.A. Times, among other organizations, has decided that they will no longer publish lies in their comments, and they have classified the various falsehoods told by AGW deniers as such. As gooserook said,

            Climate denialism is absolutely an identical piece of speech to crying "fire" when the claim is false, and the result is that lives and properties are being harmed.
            Expressing views, or making off hand comments that don't toe the line on the scientific orthodoxy of the day (whether ultimately proved correct or not)
            is BS ... AGW denialism is part of a propaganda campaign akin and closely related to the one that claimed that cigarettes don't cause cancer. AGW is not "scientific orthodoxy", it is scientific fact, and has been proved correct over and over again, to the degree that science ever proves empirical claims.
            •  I am a retired Chemist and don't need (0+ / 0-)

              convincing about AGW---it is real, it is frightening and a real threat to our National Security.  

              I just read the poster's comment differently, maybe I didn't have my second cup of coffee or something.

              But please don't make the assumption that I endorse what was said, just his right to say it on DK---maybe I'm wrong, if so then I apologize.

              "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

              by sfcouple on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 11:36:40 AM PST

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              •  RW talking points are HRable on sight -- Kos edict (1+ / 0-)
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                As has already been said.

                •  ok, thanks for the input and I'll be (0+ / 0-)

                  more careful in the future.

                  "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

                  by sfcouple on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 05:50:38 PM PST

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                  •  Careful of what? (0+ / 0-)

                    Did you slam DK's progressive cred because one poster  rightly likened ESPN talking heads denying global warming to shouting fire in a crowded theatre? The HRed comment is a paraphrase of "Hey, I thought you libs are tolerant!"

                    •  And let's take another look at (0+ / 0-)

                      Interesting position for a "progressive" web site

                      Is he saying that Gooserock is a formal spokesperson for this site, so everything said by Gooserock reflects the policy of this site? Or is he saying that it's out of line with a progressive site to allow comments like Gooserock's ... which would be extraordinary hypocrisy? Why is "progressive" in quotes? No, sorry, but that comment is exactly the sort of flame of the site that gets people bojoed out of the gate. And calling AGW "scientific orthodoxy" doesn't help any, especially in the context of talking heads with tremendous reach flat out denying global warming ... the analog to shouting fire in a crowded theatre is a lot closer than the one that Justice Holmes actually used (you should look that up; it was a stunning piece of authoritarian illogic).

                    •  Careful in the sense I'll research exactly what is (0+ / 0-)

                      HR rather than just assume I know all the answers.  If in doubt I know where I can get some straight answers---heck maybe you can help??  

                      One of my many faults is reading too fast and then posting...I'll be more careful in the future by taking more time when reading a post.  

                      This drives my wife nuts---she'll send something for me to read with the caveat: "read the whole thing and don't just skim it."  Yes mam.  


                      "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

                      by sfcouple on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:18:44 PM PST

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                  •  Don't feel bad friend, the maniacs slip one (0+ / 0-)

                    by the rest of us now and again.  This is a bitty one in the grand scheme, as there were probably hundreds of us ready to comment if jqb hadn't been totally on the ball!  I for one do not want to live on Ice Ball Buffalo for 3 days at a time, then in the 40's and 50's for a week and then in Ice Ball Buffalo gain.  That's the forecast.  I prefer the old days, Buffalo winters that had snow, occasional Styrofoam sounding walks (I HATE that sound but it meant it was most likely 15* and not 1*) and a nice Indian summer somewhere in there. This roller coaster crap and then summer droughts, this isn't normal.  As a former commercial roofer in my youth after the Army, I pity the next generation of commercial roofers, I didn't last much past the 1988 year of hell in roofing around here.  I lasted long enough for my great tattoos to get bleached by the sun, though.  That jerk sun…  I knew well enough that summers were getting hotter and Global "anything" wasn't part of any discussion that I was privy to back then.

                    I'm damaged and I like it, it made me what I am!

                    by Damaged262 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:56:14 PM PST

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      •  Too old for me to uprate (0+ / 0-)

        I made a similar argument downthread. I'm not a troll, my UID is low enough for anyone to see. Actually, you made a point I wanted to but didn't, scientific (or commonsense) certainty today does not translate into certainty tomorrow.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:46:45 PM PST

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        •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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          Science doesn't flop around and change its mind every other day either.  Once science is settled, as it is here, you need a lot more than a weather event to change it.  While we went through an extreme event, Australia is boiling in 130 degree summer.  The opposite extreme weather.

          Weather does not equal climate.  Weather is right now, climate is year over year, decade over decade, century over century.  Those who confuse these concepts do so at their own peril.  And a sports network needs to not get into a debate they can't fully vet.  Stick to your jobs, people.

  •  I believe skepticism of climate change... (5+ / 0-)

    ...has worked its way into the public consciousness. I think a combination of things...the bad press on those leaked emails, the extremely cold winters, etc...have caused kind of a cumulative effect on how the public views the issue.  I realise that all of those things are not inconsistent with climate change, and that they are all explainable. But nonetheless, to the casual observer they have an impact. Sloppy reporting by the MSM contributes as well.

    The other night I was at a pub having dinner with a  group of friends...all educated, smart people, and there was a story on the TV about the research ship stuck in the arctic ice.  Someone at the bar said "so much for global warming", and everyone laughed in agreement. It doesn't really mean much, of course, but I've been hearing humour like this more and more often on the issue...and if people are joking about it, that means it's starting to become conventional wisdom.

    I think it's something to be concerned about.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:52:15 AM PST

    •  People are getting tired of, and often (0+ / 0-)

      consider self-serving, the 'it's all your fault' scolding tone and ambiguous labeling changes of climate alarmists.

    •  Someone said "so much for global warming" (1+ / 0-)
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      and you said... zilch?
      You sat on your butt? You? The teacher?
      Your contribution was to take another sip?
      Congratulations on joining the main stream media.

      I think it's something to be concerned about.
      Oh my - now THERE'S a powerful statement.
      •  If I am having a casual dinner (0+ / 0-)

        with friends, I want to have fun and take a break from saving the world for a few hours. Have you ever tried that? Outside of DKos, your world gets small pretty fast when you are so intense and self righteous that you can't go out with friends without showing how smart and right you are.  

    •  American public consciousness, yes. Rest (0+ / 0-)

      of the world is on the right page.

      Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

      by the fan man on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 06:43:34 PM PST

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  •  We need to do the equivalent of a StopRush job (6+ / 0-)

    on this.

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    by divineorder on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:59:08 AM PST

  •  Because weather in the US is the same as (7+ / 0-)

    the entire planet apparently. No worry of the mild Siberian start to winter, the ginormous waves pounding Europe, nor the record-breaking heatwave in Australia.

    Fucking idiots.

  •  undiluted idiocy (5+ / 0-)

    It should be shocking, but instead it's expected. I have heard that Donald Trump was saying similar things recently.  That sure puts the ESPN guy in good company.

    Power to the Peaceful!

    by misterwade on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:12:39 AM PST

  •  WTF (1+ / 0-)
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    I didn't read your diary because the opening line is offensive.

    I write about sports for a living and before you go off half cocked writing sentences such as:  

    "One doesn't expect genius from sports reporters"

    You should realize that there are plenty of progressives out there covering high school, college and pro sports.

    Your sense of superiority is nauseating.

    When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion. - Abraham Lincoln

    by EntrWriter on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:00:11 AM PST

    •  How many people were watching that game anyway? (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's see...Tennessee vs LSU on a Tuesday night. For that matter, the first night after two solid days of NFL playoffs and the BCS game. I can't find the ratings, but I find it hard to believe that it pulled in much of an audience.

      Can we compromise and say that sports reporters can and do do good work but that announcers are often stupid and/or useless?

    •  Stay within your expertise (2+ / 0-)
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      and everything is fine.  Go off and put your foot in your mouth, get the backlash.  

      You are correct citing that most sports reporters discuss what they know and understand.  And politicial opinions in this discipline vary.  

      However, when one of your colleagues does something stupid, it's still stupid.  And this time, two of them stepped in the dog dirt - unforced.  Their loss.  

      •  Ahhh the high and mighty (0+ / 0-)

        Again more generalization.  Wonderful.

        You come across like a condescending fleeb.  It's one of the reasons I choose not to associate with anyone too far on the left or too far on the right.

        I generally find a lot of  you (notice I didn't generalize, that's how it is done) have your metaphorical heads up your asses.

        When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion. - Abraham Lincoln

        by EntrWriter on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 09:15:47 PM PST

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  •  It's cold in January (0+ / 0-)

    therefore global warming is a myth!


  •  Take a look at Australia ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Sheesh .... do these people think only America is part of the planet or something. Drivel and then some.

  •  It was 60 degrees today. In Boston. In January. (3+ / 0-)
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    The outdoor college hockey game at Fenway Park had an hour-long rain delay.  Not snow.  Rain.

    I'm not sure how much of this is an unseasonably warm winter caused by climate change versus normal variation.  But I'm willing to bet the people mocking global warming every snowstorm aren't talking about that.

  •  Not understanding nor respecting science (5+ / 0-)
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    I am a teacher and have often been disheartened by a trend I see growing in our society, which is confidence in one's own uninformed, ignorant opinions. Anti-intellectualism has a long history in our mainstream culture but the right wing has made a high art out of it and used it to great political advantage (think "Sarah Palin.")

    The right wing has, for decades, been attempting to discredit experts in all fields (science and otherwise) who present "inconvenient" information, and the result is that many people assume scientists just "make stuff up" off the top of their heads to suit their own partisan preferences. After all, that is what they themselves and the "authorities" they listen to are doing.

    Ginny Mayer, Ph.D. Democrat CA State Senate Candidate - SD-35 (Orange County)

    by Ginny Mayer on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:26:59 PM PST

  •  Plenty of denial to go around. (1+ / 0-)
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    While global warming continues, how would your react to the statement that global temperatures have ceased rising?

    It's a very different statement. First, it's true. Second, it's frightening because it can't last forever and I shudder to think of what's going to happen when whatever is damping the greenhouse effect get overwhelmed.

    Which would be an interesting discussion if so many "friends fo the earth" weren't denialists when the facts don't line up in the way most convenient to their argument.  I still believe that to be the reason so many have abandoned the honest and straightforward "global warming', or the slightly lengthier "anthropogenic global warming" -- something we can actually fix if we have the will to do so -- for the mushy "climate change", something we are never going to stop.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:27:24 PM PST

  •  It's night time in the USA . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Calamity Jean

    Does that prove the world is flat, , Noah put all of the world's species on one boat, the world is 4, 000 years old and every word of the Hebrew Bible is true?

    I don't think so, but for some idiot's, they would say that it is proof enough. The greatest threat our society faces is the ignorance that so many of our citizens would like to impose on their neighbors.

    My wife, daughter and granddaughters should have more privacy in their doctor's office than I have buying another rifle or shotgun.

    by NM Ray on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:30:35 PM PST

  •  I winder what Keith Olbermann... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...would say about his new coworkers?

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:37:35 PM PST

  •  they considered it a joke, not science commentary (0+ / 0-)
  •  Let it go. Relax. die slowly. Don't fight it. (2+ / 0-)
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    yet another liberal, AlexDrew

    Look.  People are stupid.  They are going to die off, and there isn't anything you can do about it.
    It's going to be climate change, nukes, or over population.

    Two more stupid sports announcers isn't going to really matter.  It's too late.  Let it go.  Die peacefully.  

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:40:50 PM PST

  •  ESPN should stick to sports (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    There are three natural adversaries of the progressive movement: Republicans, the Democratic establishment, and the mainstream media

    by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:41:12 PM PST

  •  Yep, this feeds the "everyone knows that" type (4+ / 0-)

    of ignorance currently being promoted by GEICO. "See, even sportscasters know that climate change is a hoax," blah blah blah...

    "'Patriotism' is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson, 1775

    preborner: (n.) one who believes that the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth.

    by 1BQ on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:41:49 PM PST

  •  It's pervasive. (2+ / 0-)
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    slothlax, Calamity Jean

    I was talking to someone the other day who is generally reasonable and certainly no ideologue, but seems a perfect example of someone who can't wrap her head around the simultaneous existence of global warming and the polar vortex.  It seems when we experience temperatures as we did this week even a few educated people are asking, "Are you sure about this global warming thing?"

  •  You have to make them comfortable (0+ / 0-)

    I have noticed that if I bring up "Global Warming" in a group, many people seem to be weary of the idea.  But, if you bring up "Climate Change", almost everyone seems to believe and know THAT'S happening.  Well, a rose by any other name is still a rose, you know?

    Make people happy.  Make them comfortable.  Call it Climate Change and then you can have a reasonable discussion about it.

  •  Today it was 40 in IL. (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    From sub-zero temps to 40 in the span of 3 days.  It's going to be nearly 50 tomorrow.  

    But yeah everything is fine.  

    The tent got so big it now stands for nothing.

    by Beelzebud on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:32:44 PM PST

  •  climate deny-ers are so self-centered! (2+ / 0-)
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    Cpqemp, Calamity Jean

    Their view of the world is so small and sees only their little region. "Well it's cold here in Chicago!" or New York or Denver. They forget that when it's winter in the northern hemisphere, it's summer in the southern hemisphere. And Australia is burning up with record drought and heat.

    Climate change isn't just about their little town, it's about global warming -- the entire earth!  -- warming and warming and warming.

    They are so ignorant, willfully ignorant.

    The Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:01:51 PM PST

  •  Really? This is front page material? (1+ / 0-)
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    Some sports broadcasters made the same off hand comments any non-political person makes about global warming when the weather is cold? Really? I'm supposed to take this seriously? People always have a "what have you done for me lately?" attitude about the weather. When its summer and its slightly warmer than usual, people won't shut up about how hot it is and say "must be global warming". When its winter and the temperature dips slightly below normal, people won't shut up about how cold it is and say "what happened to global warming?"

    Have you ever actually listened to a sports broadcast before? The color commentator (Dykes) is the "opinion" person and the play by play announcer (Nessler) is the "straight" person who often has to laugh off the commentator's more inane comments.

    Put another way, the commentator is blue collar (an everyman with highly specific knowledge in his particular field), while the play by play announcer is white collar (knows a little bit about everything, tries to be more objective). I can't tell you how many times I've heard color commentators make comments that the play by play guy had to laugh off or ignore. Just watch a TNT NBA broadcast with Jeff Van Gundy. His opinions stick to basketball, but he is quite outspoken about them and it forces his partner into a an obviously uncomfortable position.

    My underlying problem with this is, why is this front page material? What is the purpose? Am I supposed to write some superficial Twitter comment to Jimmy Dykes because of some comment he made made that millions of Americans made during the cold snap?

    The argument seems to be that no person in the media, even a color analyst on a fairly meaningless college basketball game, can utter a word that contradicts our partisan position without feeling our wrath. That argument only reinforces the bullshit victimization narritive of the right wing. Thanks a lot for nothing.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:31:03 PM PST

    •  point is, that's the norm in much of the country (2+ / 0-)
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      forgore, jqb

      the country's radio stations are stacked full of idiots like that and they are loud and everywhere  and if he had made fun of global warming deniers his bosses would have heard about it.

      we're all better for it if someone here lets that idiot with a giant megaphone know there are people out here who think he's he's an idiot.

      all day long radio stations like that put shits like that on to tell tens of millions that global warming is a hoax and every time  some fuckwad bozo auditioning for a koch bros  radio job gets told he's a fuckwad bozo working for billionaires it's a good thing.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:21:11 AM PST

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  •  funny how the deniers (1+ / 0-)
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    change their arguments during hot summers.

    Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 11:33:43 PM PST

  •  It's easy to shut up the science deniers. (0+ / 0-)

    The next time someone says that evolution or climate science is a hoax or lies from the pits of hell, simply ask the following question:

    "Where did you go to college?" When they answer, offer to call that university to get the latest facts (on evolution or climate science). Watch them shut up. Instantly.

    If they didn't go to college, offer to call the local university or their favorite football team's university, whatever.

    If I were calling the game, I'd have suggested we ask LSU's science dept across the street.

    Reason and science OR fear and ignorance. Spread the word. It seems America can't decide.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 11:45:18 PM PST

    •  And few places lie more vulnerable (0+ / 0-)

      than Louisiana, which may be why the LSU Honors College kicked off their fall faculty research series with a lecture, "Hot: Living Through the Next Fifty Years on Earth”, the first of four in a series on climate change.
      Says the dean:

      The students have] read the journalist's take on climate change, and now they're going to actually hear from some scientists.” said Babcock. “engaging the text and delving into the subject matter is a fundamental part of the mission of the Honors College — to develop critical thinking.”

      and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

      by le sequoit on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 04:30:36 AM PST

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  •  "settled" science? (0+ / 0-)

    I have a PhD in geophysics, and I ACCEPT CLIMATE CHANGE THEORY based on the facts available at this time.

    But it is like nails-on-the-blackboard to me when I hear people refer to scientific theories as "settled" or "facts". Theories are not facts, the data that supports theories are the facts. But not the theories themselves.

    All science is theoretical, even gravity. Sure the law of gravity works, but it is based on gravitational theory. This law (Newton) works nearly always. But then a guy named Einstein came along and demonstrated that at galactic scales gravity can actually bend time.

    My point is that scientific theory evolves as data and our understanding improves. Note that a scientific theory is not mere conjecture.

    Climate Change theory will continue to develop and I think further support the idea that humans are a contributing factor.

    But is Climate theory "settled"? No need to continue research? Nope. Is Climate theory a "a scientific fact"? No, the data that supports the theory are facts. Not the theory itself.

    So many windmills, So few Quixotes - John Lujan

    by Houston Radical on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:00:20 AM PST

  •  fuckwads like that dominate the red states where (2+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean, forgore

    huge RW radio stations with college sports logos on them decide what is and what isn't acceptable when it comes to settled science.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:10:40 AM PST

  •  like i said, uni sports are a main denier enabler (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    in this case the idiot is with espn on a sports station but there are hundreds of RW radio stations working for the koch bros that have uni team logos on them.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:27:30 AM PST

  •  ESPN important for Disney (1+ / 0-)
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    ESPN is a big contributor to Disney's bottom line. Perhaps denial of climate change effects is also important for Disney? Denial is important for incumbent power structures everywhere, even if it contradicts the general needs of humanity. You can express outrage, but the profit motive is powerful whether you are in China, Australia or Brazil.

    I'm sending Chesterfields to all my friends. That's the merriest Christmas any smoker can have -- Ronald Reagan  
  •  the only bright spot (0+ / 0-)

    is that it was an SEC game, which severely limited interest.

    and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

    by le sequoit on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 04:16:16 AM PST

  •  It is denial, a condition of a weaked (0+ / 0-)

    sense of security and a stimulation of the natural fear of death. Fixing the problem is more difficult if people deny the problem.

  •  Sports blather (2+ / 0-)
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    MrJersey, MHB

    Not surprised to hear ignorant yet authoritative crap from two blow-dried, suited guys announcing a game on TV.

    •  Brought to you by the same people (1+ / 0-)
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      whom impart such nuggets of wisdom as: "If they're going to win tonight, the offense is going to have to move the ball down the field and the defense is going to have to stop the other guys from scoring."

  •  The people of this country are scientifically (1+ / 0-)
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    illiterate.  When one say a cold snap is caused by Global Warming they get confused and say how can warming cause cold.  That is why climate change is better.  Now they also probably don't know the difference between weather and climate, but at least they may not be so confused.

    Also look at the weather in the East over the past 5 days.  Mid week low temperatures were in the single digits above and below zero.  Than on Saturday temperatures went up by 60 degrees and there were severe thunderstorms in some places!  Now if that is not climate change, I don't know what it was.

  •  with very few exceptions (1+ / 0-)
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    if you are expecting intelligence or knowledge on many subjects looking to the sports world is nothing more than a barren wasteland of ignorance and stupid macho jokes.

    its too bad our young males couldn't choose their own father or mother as a hero rather than some of the ingrates in the sports community that they look up to for all the wrong reasons.

  •  Whats the difference between (0+ / 0-)

    calling global warming a hoax because winter and calling AIDS the gay plague/cancer?
    Both lies killed/will kill lots of people.

    When people jokingly try to discount climate change because of a storm I usually respond with, "yeah, and AIDS only kills fags."

     Harsh and nasty I know, but how many times did we hear that from the fools before HIV went "mainstream" with Magic Johnson.

    A hungry man is not a free man ~ Adlai Stevenson

    by Max Runk on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:09:14 AM PST

  •  last col game i heard on radio, fracking was being (0+ / 0-)

    sold by the team's mascot- the state profracking PR group was running ads on the RW radio station during the game

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 09:52:29 AM PST

  •  So will they say 50s-60s in mid-Jan. = warming? (0+ / 0-)

    Of course not.  Morons.  They give 'dumb jocks' a bad name: at least the jocks I know understand the difference bt weather and climate.

  •  Stick to sports (0+ / 0-)

    Given these two guys understanding of science should be extensive since sports statistics are just like science.


    Maybe one basket really is an indicator of the whole game.


    In Georgia we have now have two days of temps above average - so - global warming is back on ! !

    Woooo   Hooooo ! ! !

    "Let us extend a Laurel and Hardy handshake."

    by stingray1969 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 05:41:10 PM PST

  •  The stereotype jock... (0+ / 0-)

    utterly lacking in brains!

  •  Their Jocks! what would you expect. (0+ / 0-)

    These people are jocks.  They probably suffered several head injuries in high school and now their brains are showing it.  I would no sooner take their opinion on climate seriously than if that opining came from my cat.  In fact I think my cat could do a better job of commentation on sports than they do,

    For get that these people exist.

  •  CUT THEM A LITTLE SLACK (0+ / 0-)

    Alot of these sports announcers are ex-jocks who've had alot of concussions.

  •  STUPID TURDS... (0+ / 0-)

    The aforementioned ESPN announcers should stick to their half-assed sports commentary and leave climate change science alone. Neither of those two jackasses can barely get it together sufficiently to call an NFL game, much less debate global warming. I know most of the guys at ESPN love to yuck it up, but they should at least stick to joking about their area of "expertise." (I scoff.) Oh well, at least climatologists and anybody else with the sense God gave a goose got a good laugh out of these two jackasses' comic stylings on their scientific ignorance.

  •  Two points - (0+ / 0-)

    1) Sportscasters are NOT climate scientists - their opinions on the subject actually matter LESS than Donald Trump's.

    B) They work for Disney - whaddaya expect??!!

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 07:56:41 AM PST

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