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Hello from a lurker to this wonderful group.  Please meet Nanook.  Our fifth Huskie, our fourth rescue.  He joins current sisters Dory and Minx at home.  He's an ear-splitting barker and we can't figure out how to convince him to simply talk to us.  We adore him and will learn to love the hearing impairments he is causing eventually.  But I was hoping someone may have a new idea for us.  He's sweet and gentle and loving, and he doesn't automatically get what he wants when he barks.  But he doesn't seem to have any volume control.  Can you help?  Thanks.

Originally posted to santas on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:39 AM PST.

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  •  Very handsome. Good luck and lots of love. (21+ / 0-)

    We had a malamute with those eyes AND an ear piercing shriek for a bark. My son finally cured him of that by getting right down to his level and every time Coffee barked, putting a finger over the dog's nose and mouth (as if to say shhh), and speaking very softly, tell him to use his inside voice.

    I don't know why, but it worked. Took about a week.

    Maybe your Nanook just wants to be sure you pay attention. Rescues, as you know, can be awfully unsure. Squeaky wheels get the crease.

    "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." - George Carlin

    by Most Awesome Nana on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:50:41 AM PST

  •  Shared with PWB Peeps (14+ / 0-)

    what a handsome young man..

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:51:51 AM PST

  •  Welcome, Nanook...and santas!! (12+ / 0-)

    Being a pootie peep, I'm not the best person to advise you on keeping a woozle from breaking the sound barrier.

    Anyone else have ideas?

    Anyone??

    Bueller???

    We'll find out somehow!  :-D

    Bear in mind, though, you are learning each other's languages, so while you're trying to learn his...he's trying to learn yours.  It does take a while, though.

    Welcome and wishing you a long and happy life together!
    Marti

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 12:05:05 PM PST

  •  hi, santas - as a confirmed owned by samoyeds (12+ / 0-)

    since 1970, i've been there - which is why my lyublyu is now my hearing EAR dog (just kidding, not the real reason!)

    see if you can get him to arrRRoooooo - play wolf song, music, musical instruments and praise him to the heavens if he sings, too.  it is easier on the ears than the bark.  

    he should settle down a bit eventually - but smiling and saying "no BARKING" and then distracting him helps.  scolding won't.  he'll just try to explain further what you're not "hearing" correctly.

    i once was desperate enough to use an electronic no bark collar a friend insisted i try (was staying with her at the time) and, to our horror, tutu just learned to adjust her pitch HIGHER than the sensor.  it was ear splitting and she was so SMUG about her successful adaptation.

    no more anti-barking collars for that girl!

    they are desperately trying to communicate something - "i am hungry, want to go out, want to play, need attention" - as you probably already know having multiple members of the northern breed.

    my solution - if no one else is around, i ignore the barking and go on as though nothing is happening - til the behavior changes to anything but barking.  

    have fun with nanook - he is gorgeous - and worh the patience that it will take for him to settle in.

    that's the real key - patience - until he realizes he has a permanent home that won't abandon him.

    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 12:22:41 PM PST

    •  Thanks Edries (10+ / 0-)

      I agree about no anti-barking collars.  He would just eat it anyway.  His first week at home he decided every shoe we own belonged in the back yard (they have a doggy door and a big, fenced-in yard).  We didn't even realize what he had done until we went looking for our shoes.  He's a rascal and a joy but I would never put one of those collars on him.  I try to ignore the barking and I'm usually successful. The worst time is early morning when the hubby is still sleeping.  I haven't figured out what he is trying to ask for or tell me.  I give him lots of loving, but I think he may be asking for a big morning walk or something.  He's too strong for me alone, so he just has to wait.  But when I get home at night he barks like I'm the boogeyman breaking in to the house, only to offer kisses and hugs!  I honestly believe he's screaming "she's home! she's home!" But at an unearthly decibel level.  Thanks for the references.  I'll check those sites.

      •  sometime when lyublyu is barking, i simply hug him (5+ / 0-)

        other times, i "talk back" to him and acknowledge his "concerns".  

        when he isn't stopping, i turn out all the lights and "go to sleep" - he quiets down and i can turn them on again and continue.  that seems to trigger his "oh, it's time for BED!" routine.

        he is so lucky to have you all - just work with him until he realizes he isn't going to be moved again.  he MAY be trying to convince you why he should stay with you!  

        reassure him, he's not going anywhere - that he has a forever home now and it is okay to just "be".  i am getting the feeling here that he is desperately trying to tell you that he wants to stay with you.

        he is happy - he is just worried he will have to leave again.  reassure him over and over that he is there to stay...

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:56:20 PM PST

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  •  One of the best dog trainers I've ever seen is (12+ / 0-)

    Cesar Millan.

    Try this link:
    How To Prevent Dog Barking

    There are tons of sections on training on that site.

    Plus.....

    If you prefer additional info, to compare or add to what you learn there:

    The Humane Society offers this:
    How To Get Your Bog To Stop Darking

    (ok, so I played with that second one, but it's a valid link to the Humane Society. I pun, therefore I yam.)

    Please let us know how it goes?  Every Wednesday is "Woozle Day" at PWB, so you know where to find us.  Plus we publish every day at 2:15 eastern.

    All the best,
    Marti

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 12:23:57 PM PST

    •  marti - cesar milan isn't knowlegeable about (5+ / 0-)

      dog behavior - he describes himself as "self-taught".  his theories on "pack" behavior are erroneous as not all breeds of dogs are "pack" animals.  there is one horrific video called "cesar's worst bite" where he is NAILED by a dog for not understanding dog food aggression.  his techniques trying to stop a dog who has bitten both owners (and who now have a small child) are so far off base that it was scary.  he finally told the family they should not have that dog - which he SHOULD have done immediately.

      also, you refer to the HSUS - they are very much abhorred in the dog world.  they are a money raising organization that does not return the money to care and well-being of dogs like the aspca or other organizations do.

      most reputable dog trainers and breeders who actually understand dog behavior have little use for either of those two and will provide multiple links to explain why.

      to understand dog behavior it helps to go back to scientists like l. david mech who wrote "the wolf" - a long term study of body language and behavior and is STILL one of the best references for learning about canid/canine behavior.

      i just found a used copy on amazon for under ten bucks and grabbed it up for another re-read.

      for more information on why i don't respect the tv star milan, here is a link - there are many more out there - but this one pretty much sums up the "reality show" aspect that includes much video editting to promote a "product" and not actual successful dog training methods.  those are skimmed over in favor of the "glitz" - and the dogs lose in the long run!

      another reason i don't respect his training is that i have known many professional trainers over the years - the most effective methods are based on reward - not intimidation or force or bullying the animal.  cesar believes in using intimidation to "train" - that only means an animal will respond UNTIL it sees an opportunity to do otherwise.  watch the clip where he is bitten and i think you will come away agreeing with me that his "methodology" is not effective.  

      what disturbed me most is that he did not immediately tell the family to re-home the dog to protect their toddler.  it was an disaster waiting to happen had he tried to return the dog to that environment.

      btw, i've worked with some dogs that showed aggressive tendencies (not sams) and would NEVER place them with a small child!  it takes careful handling and knowledge that milan doesn't show - his "crouch" down on the dogs level is an invitation for that dog to attack.  it shows in the youtube video and it is flat out stupid, as are his "claw hands" - and, to back up my opinion is the fact that the dog sank his teeth into milan's hand when he turned away for a milisecond.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:13:56 PM PST

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      •  oh, here is the link to mech's book (3+ / 0-)
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        jennyp, carolanne, zooecium

        where he diagrams body language and facial expressions...it is the definitive book on behavior for wolves i've read.  since samoyeds are considered a direct genetic domestication of the artic wolf and huskies and malamutes are still heavy in the wolf genetic sphere, this might help santas understand nanook's behavior a bit better.

        there are newer editions, but i love my "original" one... :)

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:19:06 PM PST

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      •  Good thing I admitted to being owned by a pootie, (4+ / 0-)
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        jennyp, edrie, zooecium, MRA NY

        or my cred would be totally shot!!

        Thanks for adding to our body of knowledge.  In my efforts to help, I did a Google search and took two sources I thought would be helpful.

        Thanks for the link to Mech's book, too.  I hope it helps santa find ways to cope with Nanook's barking.

        Any good source is more than welcome!!

        Thanks for setting me straight.

        Marti

        We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

        by The Marti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:38:06 PM PST

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        •  'sokay - milan has a tv network to tout his show (2+ / 0-)
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          jennyp, The Marti

          many folks fall for that - even i did until i started looking at his "work" and wincing.

          interesting fb discussions on hsus, milan and more among my breeder friends - and sammy owners.

          kosmail me and i'll give you my fb address - would love to have you join us!  we are fierce dog advocates and are fighting the hsus on their AR agenda - pushing eventually for NO ownership of pets of any kind.  it is insidious when you get deeper into their agenda (along with peta, ingrid newkirk, the ALF (animal liberation front) and more.  already, they have successfully pushed draconian rules through the dept of agriculture severely limiting purebreds from being offered.

          furthermore, newkirk states point blank on video at one of her "appearances" for the "choir" that the goal is to end ALL ownership of animals by ANYONE.

          beware of animal rescue groups that you don't personally know those involved. it also has become  big business - but that's a story for another day - i have a pony waiting on lunch right now and a pup who needs to RUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:51:41 PM PST

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          •  oh, forgot to mention, my cousin just received her (3+ / 0-)
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            The Marti, zooecium, MRA NY

            PhD in australia for her dissertation on dog cognition.  we have a long line of animal folk in our family!

            her thesis?

            "behavior and beyond:  three ways to examine dog cognitive processing" by tiffani j. howell

            did i happen to mention how proud i am to have her in da family?

            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

            by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 03:17:23 PM PST

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          •  Just shows what I've often said....when you try to (3+ / 0-)
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            zooecium, edrie, MRA NY

            do right, you often get much, much more than you thought you would!!

            :-D

            All I was doing was trying to help a n00b find out how to keep the new dog from barking at everything.

            What did I get.....a wonderful amount of information that pointed me...and others....in the right direction!!

            I call that a good day's effort!!

            Many, many thanks!

            Marti

            We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

            by The Marti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 04:19:23 PM PST

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            •  ME TOO! (5+ / 0-)

              Thank you all!  Just ordered the book.  Hadn't heard about it.  I've noticed Nanook is different than our girls.  We were originally warned about multiple females in the house.  The Vet didn't they would get along.  They definitely established a hierarchy right away. But they worked as a team and handled their squabbles well.  This is our first boy, and he has his own ways.  I adore him.  The girls let him know who's boss.  He is family now.  I just don't know how to turn the volume down.  Your comments have been really helpful.  Our family is growing and learning every day.  

              •  So glad we were able to help! I also advocate (2+ / 0-)
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                zooecium, edrie

                talking to your vet and other owners about how he is getting along.

                As Nanook settles in to the pack/tribe/family...he will probably settle down, as well.  

                Please do come by the Pootie Diaries as often as you like...we'd like to know how you and Nanook are doing.

                Marti

                We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

                by The Marti on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:12:50 PM PST

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              •  santas, kosmail me - i'll send ya my fb (0+ / 0-)

                info - it is for the most part all doggie stuff - especially samoyeds and northern breeds.  there are some wonderful tips from the many breeders and owners and rescue families.

                i've done sammy rescue for over 40 yrs as well as having bred my first baby.  i now have a 4 1/2 month old pup who is the love of my sammy life.

                i always asked for the "trouble makers" as they are the best of all - the most challenging and yet so wonderfully intellgent and special!  at one time, i had 4 sams, a white wolf/shepherd cross and a gsd, a dobie mix and a papillon!  it was quite the "pack".

                kosmail me - if i can help in any way or my fb pals can, we'd all be happy to do so!

                as the marti said, the more folks the better - someone may have a solution that one of us missed.  now - to rescue my dinner from lyublyu (who has decided since i am typing, i MUST be finished!  ;)

                EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:50:06 PM PST

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        •  here's another interesting link (2+ / 0-)
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          The Marti, zooecium

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 03:09:22 PM PST

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  •  I have a Sheltie and a Pomeranian (1+ / 0-)
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    both breeds that are very protective of their "flocks" which of course includes us.  The Sheltie is 12, the Pom 3.    Before we got the Pom, we had the Sheltie's litter mate, who unfortunately died at age 7.  All three dogs were incessant barkers, and my husband and I tried ALL of the above methods, including the can of coins, the ultrasonic collar, the citronella spray collar.  We followed Cesar Milan's advice to no avail.  This was a SERIOUS problem for us because my husband works from home and he would be unable to complete a business call due to the racket from the front if, say, the UPS man arrived.

    My husband in desperation started using a small powder room near the front door as a time out room.  If they barked he would say "Bathroom" and if they didn't quiet down, he would lock them in there away from us for say 10 to 20 minutes.  

    Unbelievably, after 12 years with the Sheltie of NO success, all you have to say to him is BATHROOM and he is instantly quiet.  The Pom has also learned to quiet down, though he slips a little more often.  He hates being locked in there alone though, so he is improving rapidly.

    We are now saying "do you want to go into TIMEOUT in the BATHROOM" hoping to transition the cue to the use of the word "TIMEOUT" instead of "BATHROOM" in case company calls!    It does sound a little weird to hear someone yell "Bathroom" when the doorbell rings!

    The GOP -- Hating Women, Gays and People of Color since 1854
    PS Despite the dumb screenname I picked, I'm female!

    by Former Chicagoan Now Angeleno on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:45:15 PM PST

  •  He is an absolute beauty. Enjoy! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Waiting for them to decide that the middle class doesn't have enough cents to vote...

    by Old Woman on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:11:11 PM PST

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