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Rep. Jack Kingston
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) is in no danger of living down his suggestion that poorer schoolchildren be made to do a bit of work before we do something so egregious as giving them food:
WSAV morning anchor Dave Kartunen added up the tens of thousands of dollars in meals that Kingston and his staff charge to taxpayers, campaign contributors and host countries on overseas visits.

The report concludes by catching up with Kingston at a noon campaign event. “Isn’t this a free lunch?” the congressman is asked.

Here’s how Kingston, who recently allowed himself to be photographed behind a vacuum cleaner, chose to reply:

“This is what we need in America: We need workfare over welfare. I learned a lot when I was 14 and 15 years old, doing work inside and outside the household. And as a result, I grew up with a good work ethic. It’s hard in today’s society to have a discussion where you want to challenge the status quo because of the ‘I got you’ politics.”

He's certainly committed to the bit. While I don't think anyone would question Rep. Kingston's work ethic—you try glad-handing that many people at that many events in a constant attempt to pry money out of them—he's quite sure that things like "feeding children who would otherwise not eat" is a corrupting influence on the tykes.

But what's with this notion that the message America gives to the poor is "I got you"? Since when? I don't see anyone on the televisions arguing that, just pundit after pundit arguing that the poor are holding America back with their stubborn insistence on being poor, and long conversations that always end with budgets that take more away from the poor, and monologues from people like Jack Kingston about how a bit of child labor is good for the lazy little snots.

Originally posted to Hunter on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:14 AM PST.

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  •  I have a radical idea . (12+ / 0-)

    Feed the kids well , teach them well , then when they get out of school they can get good jobs .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:29:22 AM PST

  •  See, that's the trouble with these 'poor' kids... (10+ / 0-)

    they just don't want to work for their daily crust of bread and cup of warm water.  Layabouts and slackers, the lot of them.

    And they won't stay off the damn lawns!

    My dearest hope is that all the "compassionate conservatives" spend an eternity (or two) living the life they want for those less fortunate than themselves.

    In the meantime, we need to run them all out of elected office before they kill us with their kindnesses.

    Marti

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:30:50 AM PST

    •  Kingston doesn't want to work, either (4+ / 0-)
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      Why else does he take his $174,000/year for working only 97 days?

      •  And he who will not work should not eat (2+ / 0-)
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        Isn't that a line some congress critters use to also justify gutting the social safety net?

        •  work ethic (0+ / 0-)

          This is the line congress loves to parrot, then by using their  words - we should not be paying them their salaries, entitlements, lunches and trips. Why? because they certainly don't work! With almost 3/4's of them being millionaires, they certainly wouldn't miss it. Being in the top 3% how can we expect them to even have any idea or even care what damage their plans & policies have done & are doing to this country. They have the nerve to talk about the lack of work ethic in this country? it is the congress & certain politicians  that have no work ethic and they certainly have shot down any plans to provide jobs. This country was built on the work ethic of the average citizen and not the wealthy.

    •  I saw this coming with Romney's 47% crap (0+ / 0-)

      For, there is no way in which you play with the numbers where the majority of our non-working citizens are children.
      Not even those receiving funding for food stamps.

      So, it's back to the workhouse to you! If not, the debtors prison.

      For, having children starving on the streets or working in sweatshops is what makes America great!

      I'm honestly and truly sorry that I redployed home when I retired from the Army. Even Saudi Arabia is more civilized regarding their populace than the right in this country is.
      My wife agrees.

  •  "Stupid is as stupid does." . . . (6+ / 0-)

    . . .Forrest Gump.

    If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

    by waztec on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:33:37 AM PST

    •  Down here Stupid says and does a lot of bad stuff. (4+ / 0-)

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:52:47 PM PST

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      •  I live in Washington. . . (6+ / 0-)

        . . .It is somewhat more difficult to get away with Mr. Kingston's brand of stupidity.  Well, on the west side of the Cascades it is more difficult, anyway.  I do not think any state has a patent on people like Kingston.  I live too near Idaho. :)

        If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

        by waztec on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:25:06 AM PST

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        •  WIth the exception of a few Dems, like John Lewis, (2+ / 0-)
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          almost all our pols are like this. Sad, but true.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:33:42 PM PST

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          •  I live in Georgia, too. I got jerrymandered. (3+ / 0-)
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            Out of Republican Austin Scott's district.
            Into Democrat Sanford Bishop's district.
            I'm not unhappy but I suspect that this was not the hoped for result.
            I sort of like being an unintended consequence.

            •  In Barrow, I am atuck with no one worth voting (0+ / 0-)

              for. One year, there were so many Repubs running unopposed that I started writing in "Mickey Mouse".  My husband was more creative he worked his way through Warner Brothers and the characters from Rocky and Bullwinkle.  My rep in the state legilature is Terry ENglun, the one who thinks women shouldn't be allwoed to have abortions under any circumstances--including miscarriages, because his cows don't mind a stillbirth. He's a less intelligent Erick Erickson.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 09:11:57 PM PST

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              •  Well Terry Englun plainly isn't much of a farmer. (0+ / 0-)

                Cattle can be pretty sensitive to such things, it's sometimes why cows will attempt to steal another's calf (given they're producing milk anyway it could be merely a matter of relieving pressure given mastitis is nasty but they're capable of emotion and can possess some level of intellect, including basic problem solving).

                And that's an awful lot of Rs I can think of at least about 20 WB Looney Tunes characters without even going into the new stuff. ;-)

                •  The term idiot applies to Terry. (0+ / 0-)

                  He' a HUGE (fat-head, fat body) Tea Party type.  In many races there were only Rs running unopposed.  Hence the write-in. The only pols down here I like are in the Black Caucus--and Jason Carter who will likely lose to Nathan Deal for governor.  MMost of the time anyone even vaguely intelligent runs as an independent because Dem is the kiss of death.  I am a little shaky right now. My hsuiband was admitted to the hospital with a heart attack today. I had to amke it VERY clear that NO, he does not want a Chriwtian chaplain and if one shows up uninvited, my little 5'3" Irish self will kick his butt.  

                  The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                  by irishwitch on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 08:27:55 PM PST

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                  •  Yeah... (0+ / 0-)

                    Sorry to hear about your hubby, hope he comes through alright.

                    I'm only stuck with being a Roman Catholic because my mother was in a coma after my birth and my chances weren't good of surviving. No one to give permission so they made what they thought was the right choice, so yeah not a happy occasion for my mother who is as irreligious as myself (purely by virtue of being unwilling to accept anything on faith alone I turned away from the contradictions and moved on). So I can understand why you'd do it, and I could picture the event just fine.

                    Around here the politicians are lucky I don't want jail time, because I honestly don't like most of them (heck I went to school with one), recognise them on sight, and my fist itches while we go by.

    •  He's the same lazy slacker (9+ / 0-)

      who whined after Nancy Pelosi took over as speaker because she was going to start having sessions four days a week instead of 1 1/2.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:32:45 PM PST

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  •  Actually, Kingston is a bit of a slouch. He (11+ / 0-)

    complained bitterly when the Pelosi House went to five days a week and when he is in Washington, he holds down the difficult job of coming up with "themes" and talking points for the Republican caucus.
    Kingston represents the golf club crowd. That he has three major facilities in his district (Kings Bay submarine base, Fort Stewart and the Glynn County Law Enforcement Training Center) that bring in the big bucks doesn't hurt.
    Kingston, the former insurance broker, is a typical chamber of commerce guy. His forte is promoting the horde of middlemen that siphon their profit both from the producer and user population.
    One suspects that the insurance industry is in the doldrums. This fall Kingston actually held a town hall to explain the new flood insurance requirements, which second home buyers probably aren't keen to buy without the subsidies they had gotten before.
    The way they've jacked up land prices, if most of the older houses got washed away in a hurricane, the lots would be worth more without the houses. So why bother insuring them.
    One third of the houses in our community were sitting vacant, but not for sale, at the last census. Lots of second homes that are dispensible.

    Obamacare at your fingertips: 1-800-318-2596; TTY: 1-855-889-4325

    by hannah on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:41:13 AM PST

  •  Imagine all of the ungodly things that ... (5+ / 0-)

    Jack Kingston has to do to get campaign contributions so that he can keep his job, and feed his family. Is it too much to ask poor children to do something just as ungodly to satiate their hunger pains?

    Poverty is ungodly.


    More is expected from us. The challenge in life is finding out the names of those who really give a rip.

    by glb3 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:19:04 AM PST

  •  The guy would like to bring back workhouses (7+ / 0-)

    and have eight-year olds picking oakum, like they did in 19th century England (and the US). How about poor farms?

    This is Dickensian in the extreme.

    In the history of the town I grew up in in Massachusetts, there is an interesting section on the poor. Before the town had a Poor Farm towards the middle of the 19th C., they used to have an auction every year, except the lowest bidder won: auctioning off the poor, usually widows.  Here's how it worked: the town would gather the rolls of the poor, and gather the town together. The idea was that the person or family that would accept the lowest payment from the town would take the person or persons into their home for a year. In a way, not unlike how the state deals with foster children today, though gladly we no longer have a public auction.

    Now, I'm talking about the 18th Century here. Sadly, so is Jack Kingston.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:20:50 AM PST

    •  Exactly but Kingston (6+ / 0-)

      knows no history and flatters himself that he is a 'disrupter of the status quo, a visionary problem solver' ...or at least so he wants us to believe. Maybe he is just a tool and he knows it. Same BS from Paul Ryan. Too bad our fawning media is also equally ignorant,unserious and complicit.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:43:36 AM PST

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    •  He's not the only one (8+ / 0-)

      Your governor up there in Maine wants to see kids as young as 12 allowed to work.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:45:47 AM PST

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      •  Yes, and that is closely tied in with his effort (5+ / 0-)

        to create a two-tiered minimum wage, which he has been trying to do since 2011. He's been talking about this for years and even when the GOP had control of the lege it couldn't pass. With the Dems in control of both houses (and hold the three Constitutional offices--Sec. of State, Attorney General and Treasurer) there is a snowball's chance it will ever pass.

        LePage is a total lame duck, and he knows it so he squeals like a stuck pig. Except LePage tends to squeal in French. ;)

        Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

        by commonmass on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:03:13 AM PST

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    •  It'd really appeal to them... (0+ / 0-)

      Remember most of those kids were taken off single or at least unmarried mothers or orphans and treated little different to the Dalit in India, or the Eta in Japan.

      In Dickens' Oliver poor lad struck out twofold, an orphan and an illegitimate birth. He barely touched on just how bad it got for them. But again that'd appeal to the GOP, an excuse to bring back corporal punishment, child labor, take kids off their parents, not educate them, and work off their "debt" for a pittance.

  •  WHy do I know this asshole from the state (3+ / 0-)
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    where I currently reside considers himself a Good CHristian? ANd likely hold office in his freaking church. GRRRRRR. He's not my piece of shit COngressman but Rob WOodall is just as bad. God, I want to be abnle to vote for someone who isn't a mental midget witht he morals of a mink in heat,.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:52:07 PM PST

  •  Is this the distended belly hunger test guy? (2+ / 0-)
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    Please tell me it is because if it's not there are more than one.

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:04:15 PM PST

  •  Hunger Is Used As A Weapon Of Mass Destruction (8+ / 0-)

    Hunger is the main weapon of genocide.

    Hunger is never random, and hunger is never fair about punishing the people that "deserve" to be punished.  Hunger is a weapon used against the disadvantaged and powerless.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:13:22 PM PST

  •  So Jack, (4+ / 0-)
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    were you working for food when you were 14 and 15?

    What happened to Daddy's university salary?

    Oh, and by the way, were you mopping floors at your junior high?

    •  Grade School in 1960's (2+ / 0-)
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      It was the practice in my school that 6th grade students washed dishes and mopped floors in the lunch room in exchange for school lunches.  There was no payment, just a lunch at no charge on the days you worked in the lunchroom.  Typically it was a crew of four kids.  Everyone did it on a rotating schedule throughout the school year in one week blocks.

      Then starting in the 1967-68 school year, only the poorest kids were allowed to do it.  Most who were excluded were miffed that it was not available for everyone on an equal basis.

       

      Ideology: A set of assumptions so appealing that one looks at their abstract logic rather than at how the world actually works. -Michael Hudson

      by Justus on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:06:58 PM PST

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      •  That's interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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        So small school and no janitors?

        •  Rural Iowa (1+ / 0-)
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          K-6 with an average of about 25 students in each grade.  There was 1 janitor in the building and 2 Cooks.  

          There was some similar sort of program still going on in jr. high and high school - where the classes from the 3 elementary schools in the district were combined (so 75-ish per grade).  Not being involved in the program after 6th grade, I recall less about the details.  I do know that there were students working in the high school lunch room at least through 1974, when I graduated.  Don't know if elementary kids were still doing it at that time.

          Ideology: A set of assumptions so appealing that one looks at their abstract logic rather than at how the world actually works. -Michael Hudson

          by Justus on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:22:47 PM PST

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      •  Interesting, so they let 6th grade students have (0+ / 0-)

        access to nasty stuff such as hydrochloric acid*, bleach, and ammonia with little to no supervision?  

        *Hydrochloric acid usually comes in 50% strength and thus the kids would have to dilute it before it could be used for cleaning those stubborn stains.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 07:21:34 PM PST

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    •  Well I was... (1+ / 0-)
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      I was delivering catalogues from the time I was 8 years old till I was around 16. As a result my back is far from in good shape. But my stepfather lost his job in 1990 (retrenched), and that was how the family survived, everyone delivering catalogues around town. I've walked more miles in my life than I care to try to figure out, but the holidays were the worst, the store catalogues for one house at Christmas one year were a stack nearly dead on two inches thick. Couldn't even get it into a lot of mailboxes (slots were a total no go, and the paper holder it just wouldn't fit into rolled up).
      School for me was an escape from hard work, hell I could sit in the library and read without having chores to be done. Asses like that make me glad my kids will never have to go through what I did as a kid so we could eat properly and pay the bills.

  •  That district seems to harbour backwards thinking (2+ / 0-)
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    Glynn county was the source of the drug court scandal that This American Life uncovered.

  •  Good work ethic? They worked 126 days last yr. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  What is with these Republican twit governors??? (1+ / 0-)
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    Maine's Idiot in the Blaine House must be related to Kingston

    So much for the GOP being "concerned" about the future of this country - our kids ARE the future and obviously the GOP doesn't give a rats' ass about either.  

    When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Eleanor Roosevelt

    by seefleur on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:28:43 PM PST

  •  I generally dislike this guy (8+ / 0-)

    as an outdoorsy guy I love to visit cumberland island, which seems to be in his district.

    Long story short he has historically wanted to kill the wilderness designation and open the island up to builders to create a super luxury retreat for the ultra-wealthy.

    22 miles of unspoiled beach fronting the atlantic, a barrier island with an interior with live oak and small palms.

     Well...he has managed to remove the 1 road through the middle of the wilderness to allow motor tours to the north end so people don't have to hike it. .

    For Wilderness Watch, which sued to get the previous motorized tours stopped, the issue is still why anybody needs to drive through Cumberland.

    “Why is the Park Service spending millions to shuttle people through a wilderness? Even though the road itself was recently removed from wilderness by local congressman Jack Kingston, the van tours still have just as much impact on the wildlife and the surrounding wilderness experience,” said Will Harlan, vice president of Wild Cumberland.

    He's also one of those who whines about 5 day workweeks, preferring 3 day weeks
    “Keeping us up here eats away at families,” said Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), who typically flies home on Thursdays and returns to Washington on Tuesdays. “Marriages suffer. The Democrats could care less about families — that’s what this says.”
    He's ...arrgh.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:29:08 PM PST

    •  Wow (1+ / 0-)
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      Never heard of him before this "more child labor!" rant he went on lately.  Who needs serene wilderness?  Especially now-a-days with all the free spots for people to visit. [heavy sarcasm]
      Nice to know he's an all-around corporate shill like all the rest.  So the lawsuit didn't stop the tours? Now I'll have to spend the evening doing research on this dillweed.  There's soooo many of them. Did my research and wonder where the profits are going besides the NPS.  Kingston had to get a kickback or perhaps he owns the bus companies.  There's a lot of money to be made with people spending overnight visits, etc. Thanks for your post xxDr.Zombiexx.

  •  Damn kids (2+ / 0-)
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    Little slackers.  Why aren't they out grading coal at coal tips and fixing broken threads in spinning mills and weaving mills.  That's why we've lost all those jobs.  All they do is play all day.

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:46:48 PM PST

  •  Hey Jacko** (1+ / 0-)
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    The best way to get people off of food stamps is to grow the economy so that they can work. Nothing that a good old Keynesian stimulus won't cure

    "There is no room for injustice anywhere in the American mansion." Lyndon Johnson

    by pkgoode on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:25:22 PM PST

  •  So is he willing to give these Freeloaders power? (2+ / 0-)
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    Students in Japan do the janitorial work of their schools but they also control the school budget. It is the Japanese Student Council that buys the equipment and everything else at the school.

    Is Kingston willing to do that?

    •  VERY interesting! (0+ / 0-)

      Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

      by raincrow on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 07:41:55 AM PST

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      •  Very different situation too. (0+ / 0-)

        A lot of the student council seem destined to go on to big things, including future politicians and administrators. The obsession with excelling there is very dangerous, think SAT prep is stressful, consider some of these kids will be going to cram schools for years to have a slim chance of getting into a top university, and that includes the already top students.

        But that's hardly unique to Japan, it's just more obvious thanks to the cultural factors like family honour that make performing hard so important to people.

        Still that said HJ has an interesting idea, if you're going to push them to do the staff's work at the school they deserve more input into the way it's run.

  •  Evidence of building a work ethic? (17+ / 0-)

    Nineteenth and twentieth century progressives built a three-legged stool of compulsory education, child labor laws, and a social safety net to ensure the existence of a humane, educated, and prosperous society.

    Today's Republicans are trying to kick all three legs from this stool one at a time.

    As far as child labor is concerned, where exactly is the evidence, except for in his gut, that forcing children to work at an early age builds a strong work ethic?

    Florence Kelley, one of the leading experts on child labor in the 19th and 20th century, actually argues that the opposite is the case.  Using the example of messengers, she shows that the nature and type of work children are able to do tends to sap them of both their energy and their drive to achieve by the time they are ready to be productive adult workers:

    What has such a boy to show for the years he has spent in delivering        messages? He has no trade, no craft, no skill of any kind, no discipline of mind or body to fit him for rising in any direction. The irregularity of his work has unfitted him for any sustained effort when he has passed the age for accepting children's wages. One of the problems of the settlements is to find work for boys who have outgrown the messenger's uniform. The lads have learned nothing which is of any value to them.  There is no versatility in them which might make them desirable employees in the hobble-de-hoy age.  Their eagerness to make a record of speed and promptness has all oozed away. They are no longer dazzled at the prospect of earning $4.00 a week. They know most exactly the purchasing power of the wages they are likely to receive, and balancing the fatigue and exertion against the pay, they simply sit still and wait for something to turn up, rather better pleased if nothing can be found for them to do. Not every boy is morally ruined by this work; but the earlier he enters upon it, and the longer he remains in it, the greater the probability of his ruin.”
    The above quote is from Some Ethical Gains Through Legislation, BY FLORENCE KELLEY, New York: THE MACMILLAN COMPANY, 1905, pp. 22-23

    Child labor is nothing to treat lightly. It does not only sap ambition; physical labor and the repetitive tasks of low-level work wreaks havoc on young muscles, organs and bones as they develop. Even if they are forced to go to school days, they use the classroom as a place to sleep in order to be able to earn their bread after school hours.  Studying this horror that some parents, employers and society foist upon young helpless souls will frankly turn your stomach.  And unfortunately, it is not a thing of the past, but alive and well in much of the world today, even--although nicely hidden--in this country.

    Maybe if the idiot congressman is blind to the tragedy of children treated as slaves by hopeless and/or greedy parents in this country--even today--he should visit a third world country, watch children work and hustle, and then he can come home and tell us all how this experience will lead to their success as adults.

    "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

    by NCJan on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:30:32 PM PST

    •  Oh indeed (8+ / 0-)

      and this is getting sent to Top Comments tout suite.

    •  19th century also marked the social security (1+ / 0-)
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      system being born we see now (though it's not the same, but definitely draws influence from that early welfare system produced in Germany). But one of the first child labor laws that I know of was from the late 18th century establishing a minimum age permitted for chimney sweeps as no less than 8, and later a new version that set it at 21 for any sweep(it didn't work though, chimney sweeps in particular were often as young as 3 in part because the smaller the person the less likely they were to get stuck in the chimneys), in the second half of the 19th century all sweeps had to be registered with police and were officially monitored. A good use for the Peelers though many were corrupt so it probably still went on quite a bit. Overall though during Queen Victoria's reign the minimum age for work was set to 16 finally.

      These idiots have no idea what they're talking about, it doesn't build a work ethic, it does though often breed angry voters who will happily gut the party that forced servitude on them.

  •  security guards (0+ / 0-)

    Many of the poor kids will grow up to be security guards as America heads to third world status. some will guard the rich parent's kids on their way to school like in Mexico city.

    Capitalism has two main goals at its very core that Americans have yet to figure out. create a society of haves and have nots, mostly have nots to service the 1%ers and  on going wars for corp profits and CEO bonuses.

    Look at the evidence, capitalism in America is right on target. any data chart will show this inequality in income. but beliefs overwhelm data 99.999 % of the time.

    Capitalism in its truest left alone form will even sell to the general public assault guns capable of mass murder that puts every   American child, indeed entire school classes in danger, due to a mentality of profits over children.

  •  Take a clue from Singapore. (1+ / 0-)
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    Blue Bronc

    Vindictive, cruel and inhumane comments such as come from the mouths of cretins like Kingston should result in a PUBLIC CANING. If that's too much, we should, at the very least, bring back the stocks so these heartless, greedy bastards can get an afternoon of public abuse commensurate with their offensiveness. Maybe then they'd reconsider opening their mouths before reflecting on the morality of their own thoughts.

  •  Gotcha, not I got you (1+ / 0-)
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    cablecargal

    The author misinterprets Kingston. He's not saying that there's something wrong with telling kids "I got you" (i.e., helping them), he's saying there's something wrong with reporters asking him tough questions ("I got you" questions, better known as "gotcha" politics).

    The Most Dangerous Man in America: Rush Limbaugh's Assault on Reason (www.limbaughbook.com).

    by JohnKWilson on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:41:31 PM PST

  •  I'd love to see a question about this (1+ / 0-)
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    sfbob

    at a debate between Nunn and Kingston!

    Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

    by benamery21 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:51:15 PM PST

  •  I'm 100% in favor of child labor. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think it's at all a bad thing for kids to do chores and help with the communal hygiene etc.
    On a level appropriate for their age.
    However, they all ought to do it.
    No stigmatizing those on the bottom rung, reinforcing the idea that they're not going to get a break in this world.
    I"m in favor of national service, for everyone. Tutors, park ranger assistants, CCC type work, public health care, etc.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:52:47 PM PST

  •  Rich Kids Cleaning Up More Of A Lesson In Humility (0+ / 0-)
  •  I fell asleep (1+ / 0-)
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    raincrow

    Did I wake up in Dicken's England? Have the Irish all starved because we needed to sell all the other food for export?

  •  He Got The Lesson Plan (0+ / 0-)

    Notice he never even mentioned selling the children into slavery.  He just wants to kick some working adult off the job and have the children work for some meals.  What a guy.  He could have said that selling the children into slavery would solve more than the hunger issue.  If he had even talked about slavery the RNC would have to cover him.  This man knew he had to be discreet.

  •  What a "brilliant idea"... (0+ / 0-)

    ...why not also propose to remove child labor laws altogether?

  •  He's the victim (0+ / 0-)

    "'I got you'" is a reference to WSAV, which is shocking the state by investigating. Kingston has said that he didn't mean what he said, exactly. He was just trying to "challenge the status quo" and float an idea -- you know, come up with some new ideas from the 19th century. Now, he's saying that WSAV, and all of us pouncing on him for 1) retreading Gingrich, 2) advocating barbarism, 3) advocating things proven not to work, 4) advocating things proven to be corrupt, are making it hard for men like him to have big ideas.

    You know, if we keep punishing bright thinkers like him with the "I got you" research and discussion, then they won't have more bright ideas like this!

    Everyone's innocent of some crime.

    by The Geogre on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 05:54:34 AM PST

    •  Yeah I had a bit of a blue with someone (0+ / 0-)

      that thinks Arpaio is right to shame his "guests" and feed them badly a few weeks ago. That worked so well for England. all those people that had to be transported to Australia due to disastrously overcrowded prisons never happened (they even kept prisoners in barges on the Thames)... So plainly public humiliation, poor diet, and harsh laws works so well to stop crime.

  •  Too bad he lived to be 16... (0+ / 0-)

    Since evidently he stopped learning anything new once he was no longer 15.

  •  Gods, these hoppers suck (0+ / 0-)

    So lemmesee.... he got his work ethic doing the dishes, taking out the garbage, and doing yard work. And poor kids don't do this so they should go to work as wage earners.

    Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

    by raincrow on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 07:35:42 AM PST

    •  "goppers" not "hoppers" (0+ / 0-)

      Damn you, auto-correct!

      Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

      by raincrow on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 07:43:33 AM PST

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      •  He should do what I had to growing up, while I (0+ / 0-)

        take his place as Rep. I wonder if he'd last a day during the Easter or Christmas sales?
        I was working as a wage earner from 8 onwards as I mentioned elsewhere on this diary. And it hasn't done one bit of good getting or keeping a job as an adult. It did however do grievous harm to my back.

  •  ANOTHER (0+ / 0-)

    republican degenerate.

  •  More GOP job destroying policies... (0+ / 0-)

    So he wants to throw adults who are trying to provide for a family out of work and replace them with free child labor.

    Bigger Corporations = Smaller Individuals

    by Smeagel4T on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 10:43:58 AM PST

  •  Rep. Kingston: (0+ / 0-)

    "Are there no workhouses?  Are there no prisons?"

    Bigger Corporations = Smaller Individuals

    by Smeagel4T on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 10:44:50 AM PST

  •  Cracker Boss, Part Two (0+ / 0-)

    Make the DB dig coal in a death trap mine with a pick, like my poor dead dad!

  •  Heartless. (0+ / 0-)

    "Are there no prisons?"
    "Plenty of prisons..."
    "And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
    "Both very busy, sir..."
    "Those who are badly off must go there."
    "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
    "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

    Just another version of the Final Solution.

    "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

    by Mistlethrush on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 03:29:03 PM PST

  •  PAYBACK'S A BITCH, PAL. (0+ / 0-)

    Rep. Jack Kingston needs to be cornered in a schoolhouse bathroom by a group of the juvenile janitors he proposes to create to pay for their lunches, and then the kids should wipe that snarky grin off of his fugly face by sticking his head in the toilet and giving him swirlies until he changes his tune. Yeah, that would be righteous.

    •  I hope the kids are better than that. (0+ / 0-)

      Or they'll never get to vote to keep a-holes like him out of public roles.

      •  I scratch my head wondering... (0+ / 0-)

        How jackasses like Republican Rep. Jack Kingston ever got elected in the first place. Are there THAT many wealthy people in America, or have average conservative voters been bamboozled by Tea Party bullshit to the point that they don't realize it could be THEIR kids scrubbing teenage puke and shit stains out of public school toilets? Jeez. (Sorry to be so graphically gross, but have you SEEN a high school bathroom lately? You need a full Hazmat suit just to enter the hellhole to protect yourself from all the juvenile cooties.Yikes.)

        •  Not in 13 years. (0+ / 0-)

          The public toilets around here are far worse though. You'd want your hep vaccinations just to look at them the way some people treat them. I'd sooner find a bush than brave the public toilets, at least at my school I know the cleaners serviced them at least once daily, usually more often. While I know the public toilets get once a week if they're lucky (council don't allocate enough time to the current team, or manpower to service all the toilets fully plus are on roadside pickup a fulltime job in itself given it includes roadkill).

          Still I stand by what I said, while turds should be flushed, no point kids ruining their futures over one that won't fit in the bowl let alone past the S-bend.

          And yeah I've no idea how people like this get elected either, even with all the shonky crap that goes on in districts that have conservative controls to block dem voters, somebody still voted for this one.

          •  Flushing turds... (0+ / 0-)

            The gerrymandering of congressional districts by Republican-led state legislatures is already giving us enough ginormous turds that won't fit in the toilet bowl, much less make it through the S-bend. In fact, the proverbial crapper is overflowing with their bullshit. It's time to call in the plumbers -- THE DEMOCRATS -- to snake the drains and flush these teabagging turds down the drain.

            As an additional thought... I've been trying to understand this whole "kids doing janitorial work in exchange for free lunches" proposal that Rep. Jack Kingston and his like-minded conservative cronies are mulling over in their pointy little heads. Certainly, there would be a plethora of liability issues to be considered before such an idiotic policy could be put into effect. I mean, as you mentioned, what if a kid were scrubbing toilets just to get some free grub from the school cafeteria, and he contracted some God-awful disease like Hepatitis C? Or what if he cut off his finger(s) while refilling the paper towel dispensers? I smell a lawsuit... (Or maybe it's just the turds.) As usual, the Tea Party Republicans shoot off their mouths without entirely thinking things through, and then end up going off half-cocked. Kind of like Iraq. (haha)

  •  Workhouses! (0+ / 0-)

    Are there no workhouses?

  •  Well, that job will prepare those kids... (0+ / 0-)

    ...for their future manual-labor jobs, since they are working instead of doing schoolwork. How about instead we raise the age of employment to 18 or 19 (post high school, leaving more jobs for adults) and pay kids for doing well in school. After all, school should be their "job." Paying for good schoolwork will give these kids extra motivation to learn skills that will give them more options as they move into the work force.
    And, I have to ask: Don't any of these Congressmen read Dickens?

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