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I live in a blue oasis in a red sea and am often affronted by Fox News on televisions in public spaces, such as hotel lobbies and airports.  For obvious reasons, I feel this is inappropriate and I try to ask if the channel can be changed.

Change it, please, to a less brazenly partisan news channel (CNN?), or to weather, or sports, or cartoons, or anything, frankly, but Fox News.  As a customer in these places, it seems to me that I am well within bounds to notify the management that I object to being subjected to right wing propaganda.  

If all of us started doing this, maybe these commercial establishments would think twice about their unspoken assumption that their customers share their politics.

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Have you ever asked someone in a public setting to change the channel away from Fox?

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  •  My dentist has Fox News on in waiting room... (2+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101, nextstep

    I don't complain because I like my hygienist...she gives me nitrous oxide. Ahhhh.

  •  Well, if you feel that strongly about it (10+ / 0-)

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to let the management at places your frequent how you feel about FOX News being played on the TV.

    But it's also perfectly reasonable, if the management feels that most of their customers like FOX News (especially if you're in a red state) for them to politely decline your request.

    At which point it's perfectly reasonable for you to take your business elsewhere if the issue is that important to you.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:29:14 PM PST

  •  I remember past discussions on this (5+ / 0-)

    Always, someone brings up TVbegone (a zapper you can keep with you, which allows you the surreptitious ability to turn off any TV). And last time I saw one, someone demonstrated that big orgs like DirecTV program their equipment to, when you first turn on the TV, it's on FOX.

    I don't know if that's true--but it's certainly possible. Our local cable box is programmed to come on with their proprietary news channel when you first turn it on. I can't remember the name of the gizmo allowing you to actually change the channel (or if there is one). That, to me, makes more sense. I'd probably invest.

    Regardless, I agree--I have regularly asked businesses which I frequent to turn it off or turn it to a non-news channel. Amazing, as red as it is out here, I have yet to have anyone push back on me. One TV at a time...

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:39:10 PM PST

    •  You bet--one tv at a time still works! (4+ / 0-)

      You might be thinking of something called a Universal Remote:

      I can't remember the name of the gizmo allowing you to actually change the channel (or if there is one).

      I've heard of them--but I've never used one.

      So far---as with you--a request is sufficient.

      "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

      by lyvwyr101 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:47:22 PM PST

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    •  Completely disagree with the idea of (2+ / 0-)
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      Pi Li, VClib

      using that zapper thing on somebody else's tv, such as a tv in a store, a bar, a waiting room, etc.  That's not your tv -- you have no right to be fooling with it, even remotely.  

      On the other hand, as a customer, you DO have every right to tell the proprietor that you'd prefer something else on the TV.  It's up to the proprietor to have the tv on the station he/she thinks best service his/her business -- and that's usually going to be what the customers want.  

      And, as a customer, if you don't like what's on that tv -- if they do not want to change it even when you ask, for example, because other customers may want it there -- and if that's more important than the other things that business can provide, they you absolutely have the right to take your business elsewhere and let them know why.

      •  I disagree with (3+ / 0-)

        your disagreement. It is doing a public service to eliminate a channel that actively harms this country with lies and mis-information. Your approach, however, is more gentle and I commend you for your approach.

        Ceiling Cat rules....srsly.

        by side pocket on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:06:01 PM PST

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        •  No. It is hijacking somebody else's property. (3+ / 0-)
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          It is like taking somebody else's car for a ride to go donate money to charity.  You don't get to say, "well, I used your property, but it was to do something good, so I had a right to do that."  

          It is certainly your prerogative to believe that this is true:

          It is doing a public service to eliminate a channel that actively harms this country with lies and mis-information.
          But you DON'T get to make that decision for somebody else on THEIR property.  THEY are paying for the tv and the cable.  YOU don't get to make that decision for them.
          •  Appreciate your response. (2+ / 0-)
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            oceanview, lunachickie

            I rarely if ever say anything controversial here.

            Ceiling Cat rules....srsly.

            by side pocket on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:24:50 PM PST

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          •  Good grief (4+ / 0-)

            Hypberbolic much? It's a television. One that happens to be blaring propaganda. It's not like someone is taking a hammer to it and breaking it.

            If the channel is changed--regardless of how--it benefits the surroundings.If the owner doesn't like it that much, he'll change it back.

            Simple, really. Not worth getting all hyperventilated over.

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:07:16 PM PST

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            •  So you have no problem taking over someone (1+ / 0-)
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              VClib

              else's property because you don't like what they are doing with their property?

              If you don't like what's on tv, you have two choices:  (1) express your wishes as a customer; (2) leave, and tell them why they are losing business.  You have no right to do anything with someone else's property.  

              And sure, it's not murder.  But the "I know better than you do what you should be doing with YOUR property" is one of the attitudes some progressives have that MAKES people vote against them.  It's arrogant, condescending, and insulting.  If I owned a business with a tv and you did that, I'd tell you to leave and not come back -- regardless of what channel you didn't like or changed it to.  You don't change any minds that way -- you alienate people that way.  

              Sometimes people are really tone deaf about the message they are sending.  And deciding that you know better than the business owner what he should be playing on his TV so you are just going to go ahead and do it -- regardless of the fact that it's his and you have no right -- is one of the attitudes that drives people AWAY from the left.  It's the "I know what's good for you even if you don't" attitude -- and it's very off-putting.  

            •  Good grief (2+ / 0-)
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              VClib, coffeetalk

              Hyperbolic much?  It's a television. If you don't like what's on, don't watch. Or if you must, ask the owner to change the channel or turn it off. If they won't, leave. Simple, really. Not worth getting all hyperventilated over.

              PS...Running around with a little device turning off other people's TV's makes you akin to the dolts who hide the Ann Coulter titles at bookstore...i.e., an infant.

              Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

              by Pi Li on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:21:13 PM PST

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              •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)


                 

                PS...Running around with a little device turning off other people's TV's makes you akin to the dolts who hide the Ann Coulter titles at bookstore...i.e., an infant.
                No, it really doesn't, but you just keep swinging that ball-peen hammer at the housefly buzzing around your head, mmkay?

                This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                by lunachickie on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 10:07:54 AM PST

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    •  I recommend... (3+ / 0-)
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      ichibon, drmah, lunachickie

      we boycott the airports that play Fox News.

    •  Murdock owns Fox and DirecTV (2+ / 0-)
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      Capt Crunch, lunachickie

      I've switched the set off in a business when I could reach it.

      Yes, tell management (not some poor min wage clerk there) that political partisanship is unacceptable.  Don't ask...TELL them.

    •  Zapping is wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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      It crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed.

      Besides - the point of the article, and the call to action, is to communicate to the business that Fox isn't welcome.

      THAT'S what is important. That you stand up and be counted.

      Sneaking around with a zapper defeats the purpose of the diary.

      •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)

        Oh, the high moral dudgeon, all in response to this:

        I remember past discussions on this: Always, someone brings up TVbegone (a zapper you can keep with you, which allows you the surreptitious ability to turn off any TV). And last time I saw one, someone demonstrated that big orgs like DirecTV program their equipment to, when you first turn on the TV, it's on FOX.
        We've all met Small Business Owners who to engage with "politeness" just isn't enough, they've been that propagandized. For those people, having a Plan B like this is loads of fun, particularly when they don't even notice what happened.

        No vandalism. Nobody hurt. Nobody killed. Nothing harmed other than someone's ego or pride.  So News Flash: all the concern-shaming in the world isn't going to change my approach to this, especially the smarmy, patronizing variety of concern-shaming that happens to exist on this particular blog.

        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

        by lunachickie on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 10:19:12 AM PST

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  •  I've not only (6+ / 0-)

    asked to have the channel changed---I've insisted on it---and I've gotten my way---each and every time.

    It's small victory---but I relish it---and grin widely---afterward.

    "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

    by lyvwyr101 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:40:20 PM PST

  •  I once asked the receptionist, at my outpatient (8+ / 0-)

    clinic, to switch the channel from Fox Noise.  I was sitting in the waiting room at the time, waiting for my colonoscopy.  Their public relations staffer apologized and discussed the matter with me soon afterward, approaching me in the prep room getting ready to be wheeled over to the procedure room.  True story.

    I think we should all make a habit of objecting to Fox Noise in public places.  We shouldn't assume that their choice of stations reflects the politics of the owners.  I think much of this is due to old habits.  There remains a lingering assumption that Fox Noise is mainstream and legitimate.  We must continue to break down that false assumption.

    Best of luck in your (our) efforts.

     

  •  We need to go a step further & outlaw hate media, (2+ / 0-)
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    regardless of how it is excreted or where.  A good model is Venezuela, where they have been successful in outlawing any media that professes brainwashing lies and hate, and now their media is controlled, with only the truth allowed to be professed.

  •  I've tried this and rec'd it with success (9+ / 0-)

    About a year ago I began my private campaign and asked readers to do so as well. A lot of times, the owners are pretty receptive. Just say "Please"

    In one airport restaurant the server asked me to talk to the manager. Channel changed. Then she followed me out and thanked me.

    Doctor and dentist offices are very good places to start. You are a captive audience, and that's the way you should phrase your request.

    And in a restaurant or bar, simply say: "I'd like to eat here but to be honest, I can't stand Fox propaganda. Could you change the channel?"

    There are a million of us, and at least half aren't sock puppets. We can make a dent.

    And while you are at it, re-copy the list of Koch products onto your phone or hotlist boycott.

  •  I did this at a local fast food place (3+ / 0-)
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    buddabelly, Capt Crunch, kurt

    and it worked. They now play CNN. Never be afraid to politely request this of any restaurant because unless they are flaming wingnuts they want to keep their customers happy.

    That passed by; this can, too. - Deor

    by stevie avebury on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:30:45 PM PST

  •  Am doing this in Alaska (3+ / 0-)
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    Have been in any number of car dealerships, phone/utility company lobbies, doctors offices etc where I've had to ask the receptionist to change the channel to anything but the Fox lies and hatred. Surprised that so many said they had no authority to change while the next day a different worker gladly does what the customer suggests. Just do it in every situation because Fox has become the default channel across American and that poisonous bilge needs to be stopped. Americans are all too susceptible to thinking that what they are hearing from that odious propaganda has something redeeming about it just because it is so ubiquitous.

  •  I do it, it usually works. I've only had one (2+ / 0-)
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    refuse and I just left before ordering.....

    Most often the people who actually are doing the work appreciate it....it's usually the boss that chooses fox....

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:31:49 PM PST

  •  I always ask for a change (4+ / 0-)

    I always explain why, and I've never been refused.

    The average small businessman, doctor, or dentist often reflexively and thoughtlessly assumes that everyone else shares their too often narrow "conservative" viewpoint.  Thus they tune into Fox assuming that that's what everybody wants to watch.

    When questioned why I don't like Fox, I often say that it's because they are not truly conservative, but are shallow blow-hards, mostly interested in stirring up controversies which are actually harmful to the community values that true conservatives say they care about.

    Maybe it gets them thinking for a change.

    I've also found Ed Schultz to be a powerful antidote for the regular working guys who've been manipulated into believing the Fox propaganda that the Rethugs are their friends.

    Labor was the first price paid for all things. It was not by money, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. - Adam Smith

    by boatwright on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:48:09 PM PST

  •  I'm a frequent flier on this one. (1+ / 0-)
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    Alas, my favorite TGIF watering hole is also clearly Fox-biased.  There are typically two things on their myriad TVs, ESPN and Fox.  Being a regular, I have the juice to ask for change, and I usually do when the balance veers too far toward idiotic propaganda.

    I've even complained to corporate HQ of a couple of places whose local managers ignored my requests.  I don't like being ignored.

    You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

    by rb608 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:19:56 PM PST

  •  I use TV B Gone. (2+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, drmah

    I keep turning tv off, just to f**k with them. After awhile they usually try another channel, and I let that stay on.
    I love to screw with wing nuts.

    Severely Socialist 47283

    by ichibon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:46:35 PM PST

  •  I never tolerate Faux fascist bullshit on teevees (0+ / 0-)

    I demand it be changed or I spend my money elsewhere.

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