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yesterday's NJ papers on Christie
Tuesday NJ papers on a story with legs
Star-Ledger Editorial Board:
What Chris Christie bridge scandal? Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi: Editorial
1 out o 5 Americans following story about a governor "very closely" is actually pretty high. Pew thinks not:
Bill Keller:
Her digital presence is no doubt a comfort to many of her followers. On the other hand, as cancer experts I consulted pointed out, Adams is the standard-bearer for an approach to cancer that honors the warrior, that may raise false hopes, and that, implicitly, seems to peg patients like my father-in-law as failures.
Guardian deletes Emma Keller post about cancer patient [archived here]
Alexandra Petri:
“You know who needs a good talking-to from me so they’ll straighten up and fly right? Cancer patients!” is a thought that has, quite frankly, never crossed my mind. But there it is.
More politics and policy below the fold.

had radiation earlier this afternoon. Spent time with my mom and brother too. Heart rate high, doc asks if there's been any stress. I laugh.
Christie Aschwanden:
The questions that Keller raises about her own voyeurism and boundaries in the age of social media are valid ones (I explored some of them in a 2010 Los Angeles Times piece), but her method for examining them could not be more wrong.
Megan Garber:
Ken Jennings—yes, that Ken Jennings—put it best. "Terrified I might get cancer," he tweeted this morning, "because what if Bill and Emma Keller yell at me."
Brian Beutler:
How Times columnist Bill Keller aids Sarah Palin’s “death panel” smear
@xeni via Storify:
"I feel rage & disgust at Bill & Emma Kellers' twinsie opinion pieces about @adamslisa. Shoddy, shitty, heartless,...
Greg Mitchell:
B. Keller, not quite overtly but certainly between the lines, suggests that Lisa Adams just die, already. He repeatedly compares her struggle, in a bad light, to a “battlefield” or “military’ campaign—this from the man who was a hawk on Iraq, staunchly defended Judy Miller and recently called for the bombing of Syria and backing the Al Qaeda rebels.
Linda Holmes:
Keller repeatedly implies that Lisa Bonchek Adams has brought upon herself any scrutiny he wants to bring to bear on how she's chosen to manage having cancer. Because she tweets about it, he concludes, she's made it a topic for everyone else to write op-eds about.

But that's a flawed analysis. That assumes that the only potential reason not to write an op-ed about whether someone else is having cancer correctly is privacy. In fact, the reason not to write an op-ed about whether someone else is having cancer correctly might be something else entirely: a recognition of the limited value of your own opinion about someone else's medical treatment when you aren't privy to the details, or a decision to exercise restraint, or an understanding of how personal two interlocking decisions might be: the decision to write about cancer, and the decision to read about it.

Every one of the above is better written than the Keller pieces. Clearly it's time for a blogger ethics panel.
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  •  No kidding, the GWBridge story is getting major (45+ / 0-)

    coverage from the big guns, now! When The Boss gets in the act, you know this story isn't going away any time soon:

    „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

    by translatorpro on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:07:10 AM PST

  •  posted a West Virginia Water update..... (25+ / 0-)

    Kind of late last night, so it is drifting down the list.  Please take the time to read about our latest rolling disaster and local response to the crisis.

    And at the end there are cute cat pictures and updates from local environmental activists.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:08:34 AM PST

  •  We have enough regulations....and by the way.... (10+ / 0-)

    we'll be cutting your budget another 20%......have a nice day.

  •  so..apparently (6+ / 0-)

    every pundit had nothing better to do than pile on a cancer concern troll spat?

    We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

    by ScrewySquirrel on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:20:52 AM PST

    •  Pundits NEVER have anything ACTUAL to do. (4+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, Gentle Giant, mndan, Bernie68

      They NEVER have to be "correct", so what IS demanded of them?

      (Buffoonery, that's what.)

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:55:33 AM PST

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    •  I'm sure there's a country-club backstory. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:56:18 AM PST

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    •  This may be a surprise, (8+ / 0-)

      I know it is to me, but maybe they were revolted by a couple of their own ganging up on a woman with terminal cancer?

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:57:35 AM PST

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      •  I was, nice to see humanity from the press n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Or...that it was none of their goddammed business? (0+ / 0-)

        There are probably some things we should leave to personal privacy - I know that's unfashionable but dying may be off limits to columnists. Or maybe the Kellers were just jealous or Lisa Adams celebrity.

        What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

        by TerryDarc on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:55:30 AM PST

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        •  Given that Adams has been so public (0+ / 0-)

          about her situation, I don't think that commenting on her work is out of line. It's the nature of the comments I find offensive.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:41:02 AM PST

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          •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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            Tho I'm getting to this late - have read nothing of Adams Tweets/blogs, etc. Nor more than scanned the Kellers' critiques. Generally, I side with saying what you want, how you want and when you want to say it. Trying to shut someone up (Adams by the Kellers or the Kellers themselves) smacks of repression.

            What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

            by TerryDarc on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 02:44:30 PM PST

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    •  Forgive me, but I just don't see it... (2+ / 0-)
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      I read the Bill Keller op-ed, expecting to be horrified by a savage dressing-down of a woman with cancer.  I didn't see it.  Keller clearly disagrees with Adams, but it read to me like a mild, respectful disagreement, emerging from experiences in his own family.

      The piece "Enter the Concern Troll", about the Keller op-ed, seemed to me to be one of the worst examples I've seen of imagining stuff "between the lines" that isn't really there.  The analysis, which goes as far as nitpicking the use of pronouns ("'Us', you see, not 'them'") made no sense to me.  Concern troll?  I didn't see that at all.  Concern is "You better do this/not do that or else this might happen."  I didn't see any predictions of bad things for Adams at all.  Keller was just disagreeing with her.

      I think what's going on is that some people are set off by someone without cancer writing a critical article about a cancer patient, no matter the tone of criticism or how respectful it might be.  Would any of this rage be in evidence if Keller were himself terminally ill?  I doubt it.

      And I guess that's okay, but I really hate this idea that "Person A is not allowed to say such-and-such about person B" or, even worse, "Person A is not allowed to disagree publicly with person B".  That is the classic definition of Political Correctness, something most of us on the left want to think is a myth.

      TL;DR -- I would prefer to see insightful criticisms of the points raised in Keller's article, rather than just rage that he had the nerve to write it at all.


  •  common sense policies that would make difference (16+ / 0-)

    our political systems are almost totally dysfunctional

    by design

    they have been taken over by the oligarchs

    here are four common sense areas that would lead to major improvements

    1. what if there were single payer health care in the US? The cost of medical care would drop and be in line with the rest of the world, and our overall statistics would move back into the norm. And, business could hire because they would no longer be connected with health care expenses.

    2. what if there were banking regulations that addressed the multi trillion derivatives gambling market that makes the entire economic system of the globe unstable, and back on the home front truly addressed domestic banking, including setting up more state banks like North Dakota.

    3. what if there was an all out alternative energy push that slowed down or stopped the rape of the planet for energy. Instead we have a full speed ahead development model and even a war on science in Canada to tamp down resistance.

    Here is one article by the noted environmental activist and journalist in the UK about how to reduce flooding. This is the kind of common sense action that would make a real difference.

    Drowning in money: the untold story of the crazy public spending that makes flooding inevitable
    Every year billions are spent in Britain and Europe on policies that wreck homes and lives through flooding

    4. education for citizenship - what if that was the priority? What is needed for citizens to be engaged in critical thinking about the problems facing the world? Here is an article that describes how bad things are in the coordinated effort to maintain the oligarchy

    Henry A. Giroux | Reclaiming the Radical Imagination: Challenging Casino Capitalism's Punishing Factories

    The Gilded Age is back, with huge profits for the ultrarich, hedge fund managers and the major players in the financial service industries. In the new landscapes of wealth, exclusion and fraud, the commanding institutions of a savage and fanatical capitalism promote a winner-take-all ethos and aggressively undermine the welfare state and wage a counter revolution against the principles of social citizenship and democracy. The geographies of moral and political decadence have become the organizing standard of the dreamworlds of consumption, privatization, surveillance and deregulation. For instance, banks such as JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and other investment companies including Barclays, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, and UBS prosper from subterfuge and corruption. They also have been transformed into punishing factories that erode the welfare state while pushing millions into hardship and misery and relegating an entire generation of young people into a state of massive unemployment, debt, and repression.  The profits seem endless and the lack of moral responsibility unchecked as the rich go on buying sprees soaking up luxury goods in record numbers. The New York Times reports that dealers of high-end luxury cars cannot keep up with the demand. Indulging in luxury items is no longer a dirty word for the ultrarich in spite of living in a society wracked by massive unemployment, inequality and poverty. One example provided by the Times, without either irony or criticism, points to "Matt Hlavin, an entrepreneur in Cleveland who owns seven businesses, mostly in manufacturing, bought three Mercedes last year: a $237,000 SLS AMG and a $165,000 S63 AMG for himself, and a $97,000 GL550 sport utility vehicle for his wife."[1]  This example of shameless consumption reads like a scene out of Martin Scorsese’s film The Wolf of Wall Street, which portrays the financial elite as infantilized frat boys out of control in their unquenchable craving for greed, sex, power, and every other debauchery imaginable.[2] At a time when the United States has descended into forms of political and moral amnesia, massive inequity and high levels of poverty, coupled with narratives of excess and over-the-top material indulgence, have become normalized and barely receive any critical commentary in the mainstream media.
  •  So funny that Bill Keller is obsessed with the (16+ / 0-)

    costs.  I'm sure the costs are out there so he's just lazy.  Even without knowing the costs he has to take a "is this person really worth all of this treatment" potshot.  He could find the costs and talk about the very real issues of whether all people have access to this kind of treatment.  And if not, how can we make sure.  He could even make it topical and relevant and talk about whether or not the ACA will provide this kind of care.  Including the cost of dog snuggles he derisively mentions.  Instead he just writes about everything he can think of that he doesn't like about this woman.  The cost of the care, her attitude, the fact that she didn't feel like entertaining unannounced visitors.  It takes a certain kind of person to question the personal choices of a dying mother of three.  Can you imagine what fun the Kellers are at a dinner party.  His and her "scolds".  Not nice at all.

    "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

    by stellaluna on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:33:32 AM PST

    •  I didn't see that in the article at all (1+ / 0-)
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      ANd I have a hsuband who is facing bypass surgery with VERY bad blockages.  I think what the author was saying that there ISN'T a right way to deal with serious illness. Adams is fighting it like herll. Other people with her stage of cancer may feel it's time to end the care and go for palliatibe releif.  They want hospice care, not  being guines pigs. I lived through last year with my MiL going through chemo hell.  SHe basically told us she might choose not to go another round if it vomes back. SHe's 78 and she has that rirght. My hsuband is likely the only family member who will see it that way. SO far she's been lucky--she had Stage 4 and so far remission is complete.

      I also cared for a father with ALzheimer's and Parkinson's. He  was with us for 18 months. He was miserable to deal with msot of the time, made my life very difficult. wouldn't cooperate. He was reaching the point where he'd lsot the swallow reflex and it was nasogastric tube time or allow him make a decision not to.  He didn't want it, he had made it clear and had it in writing, so even officious GA pols couldn't overrule it (he had a VERY good air tight living will and I was the decision maker).  It didn't come to that--he died of cardiac arrest whiule we were out of the room and CPR didn't help.  SOemtiems choosing to end treatment makes very good sense to the person suffering,. It is theri choice, and I felt the author was just trying to amke the point that Adams' way might work for her but  as critical as you thought he was of her, I am critical of her for sounding like she felt EVERYONE must take her road. It's the person's chocie and NO ONE has the right to make it for them

      I say this as someone who mnay vert well face having to decide to pull the plug someday in a foreseeable future for a man I love very much. We've talked. I knwo his wishes.  I will follow them. Adams needs to respect hat others may make a different chocie than hers.  

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:39:55 PM PST

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  •  My, my the things you find at the links... (12+ / 0-)

    Alexander Petri's "Enter the concern troll" link led me to a super quote:

    Social Media is a Conversation, Not a Press Release
           ~Zeynep Tufekci
    And the Salon piece on Bill Keller leads to this:
    ... but because it does the death panelists’ work more insidiously than Sarah Palin and other agitprop peddlers ever could.
    I had to look up the definition of agitprop:
    :  propaganda; especially :  political propaganda promulgated chiefly in literature, drama, music, or art
    — agitprop adjective
    Well, that fits our half wit, half term governor quite well doesn't it?

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:44:14 AM PST

  •  Mr. and Ms. Cancer are right. (4+ / 0-)
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    They didn't say anything wrong.  If you make your approach to  cancer so singularly public, and it's such a singular approach, you are legitimately the subject/object of discussion. Neither of the Kellers said anything even remotely bad or wrong.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:50:52 AM PST

    •  that's an opinion (6+ / 0-)

      which some share, but many do not.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:03:06 AM PST

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      •  I'll take that, absolutely (0+ / 0-)

        I think it more accurately describes the situation than what we'd get from the diary, which is that two misanthropes think one way and everyone else thinks the other.

        It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

        by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:36:36 AM PST

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        •  hard to fnd articles defending them (1+ / 0-)
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          post them if you find them.

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 07:06:48 AM PST

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          •  I only know what you give me, Greg. (0+ / 0-)

            Besides, I don't really assess who's right and who's wrong by how many blog posts (or even print articles!) they have on their side, and I don't imagine you do either.  The vitriol on this issue is astounding to me.

            It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

            by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 07:36:00 AM PST

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    •  in fact, this is from a supporter (13+ / 0-)
      Readers Lash Out About Bill Keller’s Column on a Woman With Cancer

      A particularly tough takedown came from Zeynep Tufekci, writing in Medium. She wrote that Mr. Keller “has something he wants to say about how end of life is perhaps unwisely prolonged by small, painful amounts with massive technological intervention in this country so projects this situation to Lisa Adams – except that is not applicable in this case. Lisa Adams is not prolonging her last few weeks with a cascade of interventions. She’s getting treatment for pain in her bones – the type of tumors that won’t kill her till they spread elsewhere which may be soon or may be years away.”...

      In this case, I’ll go so far as to say that there are issues here of tone and sensitivity. For example, when Ms. Adams has made it so abundantly clear in her own work that she objects to the use of fighting metaphors in describing experiences with cancer, it was regrettable to use them throughout a column about her, starting with the first sentence. It suggests that Mr. Keller didn’t make a full effort to understand the point of view of the person he’s writing about on the very big and public stage that is The Times. And although I haven’t read all of Ms. Adams’s writing, readers are complaining about other examples of this disconnect. The Times should consider publishing some opposing points of view, possibly in the form of an Op-Ed column from a contributor.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:07:13 AM PST

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      •  There is nothing bad in what he wrote. (0+ / 0-)

        In what you've quoted, the strongest the writer can say is "I'll go so far as to say that there are issues here as tone ans sensitivity."  That's pretty mild, and in no way proportional to the degree (and quantity) of condemnations Bill K. has received.  I find the reaction to Emma K.'s piece even odder, since it was more meta and less health care policy-oriented (and thus exempt from the first paragraph of what you've quoted), and because the Guardian took the extreme step of removing an opinion piece for reasons usually reserved for news stories.  How a non-defamatory opinion piece could be removed for failure to meet journalistic standards is beyond me.  

        Especially weird to me, as a progressive (however imperfect), is the blindness of those who accuse Bill K. of death-panelism by asking how much something costs.  This is a person whose social capital has given her access to Sloan-Kettering, which thousands of cancer patients within a few miles of the hospital can't access, not to mention an audience of people many of whom have their own platforms and are quick to use them.  When even the high-median cancer patient, in our usual socioeconomic hierarchies, has access to what Adams does, I'll be willing to accept the notion that engaging Adams's uber-public descriptions of her treatment regime is some kind of advocacy for rationing.  

        It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

        by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:35:42 AM PST

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        •  the piece was removed because Mrs K quted from (9+ / 0-)

          private conversation with Lisa Adams w/o permission, generally unaccepted journalistic technique.

          As i said even the supporter, the public editor for the NYT, took issue with the tone. The detractors have much more to say, click the links. They range from who the fuck are you to tell me how to die? to how personally their criticism would be taken by, e.g.  women with cancer (and others).

          it isn't that the topic is verboten, it's using an ill individual to make a point you want to make. Bad form. Mischaracterizing her illness to make that point was worse form. You can have metastatic disease without dying, at least for a long while.

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:43:45 AM PST

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          •  OK, I stand corrected. (0+ / 0-)

            The idea that using an ill individual to make a point is a little mystifying to me, since the discussion is about ill individuals and one of them has decided to be exceedingly public.  

            It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

            by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 07:34:14 AM PST

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    •  and by the way (3+ / 0-)
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      there are many reasons to pay attention to the discussion.
      maybe you have cancer and write about it. or maybe you're just a blogger and follows informed discussion about what's legit discussion (and feedback) and what's not.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:16:22 AM PST

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    •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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      People are not claiming that the Kellers have no right to post their opinion. They are claiming that the opinion the Kellers are posting is abhorrent to any standards of basic human decency outside of the salons of certain medieval French Kings.

      A person has the right to the opinion that it is highly enjoyable to bathe in a robust slurry of ground up puppies. But that does mean that that person should broadcast it.

      Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

      by Terrapin on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 06:54:58 AM PST

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    •  Oh, yeah...NOT (1+ / 0-)
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      Did you catch Mr. Keller's dig about the "amenities" Sloan-Kettering provides?

      Keller is SO stupid he thinks "Caring Canines" charges for hospital visits. Five seconds of Googling would have furnished the info that the organization is all volunteer and does not charge anything for their time.

      Bad enough that he picks on someone who has cancer -- but to do it because he doesn't agree with her tweeting about it?! She has the same right to tweet as he does to publish his slam about it.

      No one held a gun to his head and MADE him read her tweets. What an idiot...

  •  The Keller thing is awful (5+ / 0-)
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    Very public way to declare your assholeness - what were they hoping to accomplish? Nothing worse than the big passive aggressive "but" - I am not judging, but others might think....

  •  With all the horrors and inequities shoveled on (6+ / 0-)

    mental health clients and staff, I have been waiting for diabetes patients to be thrown under the bus as well.

    Seeing the 'cancer bit' reminded me that managed care is way overdue denigrating people who have diabetes.

    I hate managed care.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:54:23 AM PST

    •   once we do away with pensions and public schools (6+ / 0-)

      and music and art and the 40 hour work week and child labor laws we must attack the use of humalog to prolong the life of people who god obviously made by mistake....then it will be on to those who breed too much or too little or too late or too early and so on......

      maybe i'm crazy but when i encounter a person with a really difficult situation to deal with such as cancer or diabetes or asthma or autism....i try to be nice to them...

    •  like asking to see their feet? (0+ / 0-)

      cause that's what they do in every exam room every time for diabetics.
      what do you mean, you hate managed care?

      I am tired of laughing at the irony of their stupidity.

      by stagemom on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 07:53:22 AM PST

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  •  Women are guinea pigs (8+ / 0-)

    Why else would individuals feel free to opine on medical decisions about which they have no training and no view of the medical record?  This includes politicians who legislate  more intrusive requirements that have nothing to do with standard of care.  It also includes the busybodies and bullies outside abortion clinics.

    Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

    by arlene on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:55:25 AM PST

  •  Its just so unseemly to watch the little people (14+ / 0-)

    struggle against their fate. Why cant they just accept theyre losers in God's big lottery, unlike me, and die quietly off stage without making such a noisy fuss? Especially now that they can no longer contribute something useful to society, like being a former newspaper editor, armchair war monger, and aging pompous windbag?

  •  Since we can now denigrate the ill and harangue (3+ / 0-)

    cancer patients, I think we should mandate marijuana smoking.

    The time has come: those under a certain income only have to smoke a little. Those making over $50K with no kids are required to smoke at least an ounce per month.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:59:36 AM PST

  •  but think about the children!!! (6+ / 0-)

    seriously, isn't she the mother of at least two young children? what value would mr. keller put on their childhood?

    and by the way, those therapy dogs? brought to the clinics and hospital wards by volunteers, in my own personal experience.

    at long last, mr. keller, have you no shame?

  •  Nice try Mika (3+ / 0-)
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    Chris Christie having his name out there so much just proves what a serious contender he is?!?!

  •  Breaking: Not all NJ voters hate Christie yet! (6+ / 0-)

    I guess that means that he's stronger than this storm.


    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:31:06 AM PST

  •  A quirky provision in the federal spending bill... (2+ / 0-)
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    Gentle Giant, stagemom

    will restore financial aid to Egypt. $975M will be unfrozen at the conclusion of Egypt's constitutional referendum (today is the second and final day of voting) and an additional $576M will be unfrozen following presidential and parliamentary elections (currently unscheduled, but anticipated to begin in March).

    While I don't agree with all of the details of the WaPo Editorial Board (Egypt's Phony Democracy Doesn't Deserve U.S. Aid) I can't disagree with their conclusion:

    If President Obama believes the United States should sanction a new autocracy in Egypt, he should make the case for doing so. Otherwise his administration should side with those Egyptians who continue to fight for a genuine democracy — starting with those who have been imprisoned.
    I guess the dust has settled on the was-it-or-wasn't-it-a-coup question. Governance by authoritarianism of a sharpness far exceeding that of Mubarak is clearly to be excused by both US lawmakers and the Obama administration so long as the US' "regional security" issues (Sinai; the Canal Zone; the Peace Process, dead-on-arrival though it may be) are accomodated.

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 05:39:45 AM PST

  •  Pew internals: (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Gentle Giant, stagemom, jts327

    Nearly half of both Dems and 'Pubs are following Christiegate "fairly closely."

    I wonder what "very closely" entails. Memorizing his utterances?

    I also wonder why I, who've lost a good number of good friends to cancer over the last year, don't know or much care about some public fight between strangers over the process. I hope whatever the story is can help educate people, but don't know any of the principals and, from what's excerpted here, don't care to hear people arguing about it.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 06:03:45 AM PST

  •  Mistakes were made... (0+ / 0-)

    Whenever this is trotted out, I always want asked, "BY WHOOOOOOO??????"  That question never is posed nor answered until events make clear the mistakers.  But what a lovely assertion that ranks with "if anyone was offended..." and the like.

  •  hopefully, envir protection will make a comeback (0+ / 0-)

    on the campaign trail for dems.
    a dem house is a reach, but maybe?

    I am tired of laughing at the irony of their stupidity.

    by stagemom on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 07:48:55 AM PST

  •  Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi (0+ / 0-)

    Go check out the comments on the editorial. It's sad how Republicans and the RW keep bringing up the same nonsense that has long been discredited. They live in their bubble and never get out, simply unable to see the irony or absurdity of them screaming Benghazi on an article that points out their stupidity for screaming Benghazi.

    They remind me of brainless zombies. They hear a noise and they all shuffle over, drooling and farting, and then they all spout Fox news made believe stories.

    It might be pathetic if they weren't so destructive to the political system, the country and economy.

  •  Nothing makes living people more uncomfortable (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Greg Dworkin, Sylv

    than dying ones.  I have seen this myself when my father died of cancer in his mid-fifties while I watched, in my mid-20s.  Friends disappear.  People you thought you could depend on for strength become jumpy and physically nervous by the sight of a dying person.  It is so pathetic, and I remember the rage I felt toward my father's lifelong "friends" who barely were able to find the strength to attend his funeral.  Weak people are bad when they give into their weaknesses.  As we all know, there is always room for improvement--facing one's fears are included here.  

    Final comment:  If you ever find yourself with a friend who is dying from a terminal illness, remember, they are the ones suffering.  Get over your fear of death and embrace it--that is what the sick folks are learning to do.  They are learning to embrace something huge coming down the pike that everyone knows is unavoidable.  It is a long, scary  process, walking toward your own death to the tune of a cancer song you cannot control.  The worst thing to do, IMHO, is to put your fears of death first and disappear.  Talk about not paying it forward.  Dying people need your love, plain and simple, so give it.

    Mix the blood and make new people!

    by Yonkers Boy on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 08:37:06 AM PST

  •  On Lisa Adams: (0+ / 0-)

    If it works for her, fine.  But sometimes you know when it's time to let go, too.  That is the INDIVIDUAL'S choice and no one has the right to tell you what choice you should make.  Some people will grasp at any straw. SOme will endure multiple rounds of hellish chemo. Others  will look at the possibilities and decide that maybe it's time to allow themselves to leave a pain-wracked body behind, even if they  beleive this is the only chance we get. I get so sick and tire dof other people telling you how to handle illness or dying.

    My father made me promise no heroic measures--he had Alzheim'er and Parkinsons;'a and COPD and was almost 89.  GA doesn't respect that right. DOesn't a,tter that you're terminal with cancer or have Alzheimer's with dementia so far gone that you don't recognize anyone, can only hoot, and would be miserable if the disease weren't so advanced  that you don't even know it---in GA if you get a virus or a GI problem, or pneumonia (Dad had both several times), they MUST be law treat it aggressively as they would for a healthy, hearty, functioning 20 year old.  That is what the nurse told me, apologizing for having to do that becasue we knew he wanted to join Mom. I think he decided to die when no one was around,a  week after he'd come home, could no longer swallow-- he had a living will that refused a feeding tube, and THAT even fundy morons in the state hosue DO allow--and my hsuband left him alone after showering him because he needed a 5 minute brakl before the ext battle of getting him dressed and ready for breakfast (if he could eat).  Dad hjad cardiac arrest. Ben did CPR (the EMTs complimented onit), but theEMTS and the coroner decided it was his time and did not insist on an autopsy consdiering the dementia and the Parkinson's and his age.  That's the ONLY time I've ever been grateful for living in this tiny, awful little town: they were kind and told me they see it all the time and that what hurts their hearts are people who insit on heroic measures for someone who has no quality opf life left.  I don't like GA, but thsoe peopel were wonderful.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:30:25 PM PST

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