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  •  The 21 year old drinking age is so bogus (4+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, Mike Kahlow, atana, PSzymeczek

    ...and hypocritical.  

    Many other measures could curb drunk driving without the massive fakery.  As bad as it is, even 3.2 beer would be an improvement.

  •  I got so much free beer that way (1+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek

    The old, "I'll buy you beer if you give me some" thing was my specialty.  

  •  Bingo. (3+ / 0-)
    As long as college is the first place kids live after they leave home...
    The (illusory) feeling of liberation and independence leads young people to dive way too deep into partaaaay life if they haven't some experience in the dangers of such excess.

    Buzz Maintenance 101 should be required course.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:16:59 PM PST

  •  when I was 18, the drinking age in PA where I (4+ / 0-)
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    grover, bananapouch1, T100R, PSzymeczek

    lived was 21, but the drinking age in NJ, just across town, was 18.

    So naturally every weekend we'd drive over to Jersey, get bazoo'ed, and drive back.

    It's a wonder none of us got killed.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:27:39 PM PST

  •  I was a junior in HS when the law made it 18. And (2+ / 0-)
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    bananapouch1, wa ma

    B-day + 1 day and I had my first at a bar next to the store I worked in after my shift, my senior year.

    "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

    by doingbusinessas on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:34:22 PM PST

  •  A regular entrepreneur! (2+ / 0-)
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    Bronx59, PSzymeczek

    You're such an inspiration.

    And all those forged ids licenses faked government documents creative instruments.

    No wonder you ended up in a career in the arts!

    This really is government at its best.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:48:54 PM PST

  •  Poor Troy! (0+ / 0-)

    Quick! Somebody get some magic markers and we'll draw all sorts of penises all over his face!

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:49:23 PM PST

  •  Amen. (4+ / 0-)

    When I went to college, the drinking age was 18. I drank in the college bar, with bartenders serving me.

    I drank with my professors at departmental seminars & picnics.

    I learned about social drinking. And I learned that anytime someone started to drink too much, they'd get cut them off. Those lessons aren't being taught today.

    Not everything you learn in college (or life) is learned in the classroom.

  •  Even if some college & university presidents (1+ / 0-)
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    want the drinking age lowered, why would it have to be by 3 years? A lot of 18 year olds are in high school. There is still so much brain development that happens at that age where kids grow out of acting impulsively into a more mature way of thinking. A lot of 18 year olds aren't good drivers even when sober.

    It seems to me, if you now have a situation where older college kids buy alcohol for younger college kids, you'd create some real problems lowering the drinking age to 18 because then you'd have older high school kids supplying alcohol to young teens. I guess I'm not seeing the upside to this but maybe it's because I have teenage daughters and I'm not a college president.

    I just saw a quote from the college president who started the push and he said drinking rates haven't declined in young people since the law was changed.

    The Debate On Lowering The Drinking Age

    This is what the former president of Middlebury College in Vermont, John McCardell, believes and it's why he started the movement dedicated to lowering the age back to 18. It may seem counterintuitive, but he argues that lowering the age will make kids safer.

    It's like the old days of prohibition: from the suburbs to college campuses to inner cities, kids find ways to get around the 21 year old limit. As McCardell puts it, it's so widespread, it's the norm.

    "This law has been an abysmal failure," McCardell told 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl. "It hasn't reduced or eliminated drinking. It has simply driven it underground, behind closed doors, into the most risky and least manageable of settings."

    That may have been the case for college kids but it is not the case for middle and high school kids. Underage drinking has declined.

    Teen Smoking, Drinking Rates Are On The Decline; Marijuana Use Is Up

    Lastly, the study found that fewer teens were drinking alcohol or binge drinking, putting teen drinking rates at their lowest since the mid-1990s, according to a statement. Although there wasn’t a definitive reason for this, the researchers cite that perceived availability of alcohol has been declining in recent years, especially in the lower grades.
  •  In Yurp, kids under 18 can drink. (3+ / 0-)
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    Bronx59, PSzymeczek, Nova Land

    They don't drink more than we do, except maybe the Russians.

    Driving, on the other hand, is a different story. The minimum age to get a license is older, the test is a lot more stringent and the penalties for drunk driving are a lot stiffer.

  •  1984: Big Brother Reagan says 21 (1+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek

    The drinking age was 18 when I was 18. But that was in the '60s when Americans were not yet exceptional enough.

  •  Way back when (2+ / 0-)
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    Bronx59, PSzymeczek

    As a NOLA boy, who first made a purchase from a bar window when I was 12 and first worked in a bar when I was 17,  I went to college in Washington State.  The law, in Washington State, was a strict 21 to purchase from a state liquor store that looked like where you would apply for welfare.
    Those kids were puking in the evergreen bushes by 9:00.

    A fool and his money are soon elected. -Marx, Groucho

    by Garth1066 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 09:47:58 PM PST

  •  If the drinking age was lowered to 18, (2+ / 0-)
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    Bronx59, PSzymeczek

    perhaps we'd have more college students whose first real experiences with drinking alcohol would be in settings like bars where they could be better monitored rather then frat or house parties, where the drinks are are more likely to be more heavy handed and unpredictable than those poured by a professional bartender.  Plus, if you're having to pay $8-10 for a cocktail, that's a good way to make sure you don't drink too much, if you don't want an empty wallet.  

    I went to parties and friends' houses at 18 and drank.  A lot.  After I turned 21 and I could drink legally, after getting over the initial excitement of getting to go to bars, much of the novelty of drinking wore off.  I still enjoy drinking, but at this point I enjoy having a beer or a glass of wine with dinner, or the occasional cocktail, and that's pretty much it.  I don't enjoy being drunk anymore.  I know many of my peers feel the same way.  

    Ideally, I think we should take the more European approach and introduce responsible drinking habits to kids while they're still living at home with mom and dad, so that way when they get college and suddenly have lots of freedoms they don't go crazy.  

  •  Come on (2+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek, wa ma

    Plenty of people go to college and never touch a drop, and many more only a drink at a time.

    Part of the problem is society treating college binge-drinking as normal.  It's not.  It's common, but that doesn't make it a normal, expected part of the college experience.

  •  What a jackass! (0+ / 0-)

    Read closely. This jackass is actually saying that college students with debt should commit felony crimes to fund their education. This maggot seems to be PROUD of having committed a string felonies, including forging documents and fraud as well as suborning others to commit crimes on his behalf (supplying him with booze).
    Yeah, this EXACTLY the message young blacks need to hear: you can't make it without being a crook.
    Time to send this fool packing.
    This kind of stupidity must be shut down ASAP. Let him work for self-aggrandizing wanksta rappers and their crappy videos. The perfect venue for him to glamorize his criminality.

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