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Indiana's Republican Speaker of the House apparently didn't get the memo that Republicans need to rebrand themselves and he certainly didn't get the memo that it's 2014, because he's trying to pull off a massive political power play in support of a state constitutional amendment that would ban marriage equality and civil unions. From The Journal Gazette of Fort Wayne, Indiana, here's the latest:
House Speaker Brian Bosma rescued the gay marriage amendment Tuesday by moving it to a friendlier committee.

He said he struggled with the decision over the weekend but had heard from a majority of the House Republican caucus – for and against the measure – that they wanted to vote on the bill on the House floor.

“This seemed like the best way to do it – the least intrusive and most respectful of the process,” Bosma said.

He moved House Joint Resolution 3 – the proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and civil unions – and a companion bill to the House Elections Committee.

Goal Thermometer

Bosma moved the resolution from Indiana House Judiciary Committee because he feared the measure wouldn't make it out of the committee if he left it there, thanks largely to a lack of support from Republicans on the committee. Instead of letting the process play out like it was designed to work and respecting the committee's decision, Bosma decided to short-circuit the process because he just couldn't stand the possibility that Indiana voters wouldn't be asked to ban civil unions and same-sex marriage.

If Bosma's power play works out the way he wants, the resolution will reach the House floor, but as Joan wrote on Monday, a broad range of groups oppose his push to codify discrimination in the state's constitution, including Freedom Indiana.

Let's give these organizations, and Freedom Indiana a hand in fighting against discrimination this week.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:30 AM PST.

Also republished by Indianapolis Kossacks and Kossacks for Marriage Equality.

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  •  You know what really scares them (19+ / 0-)

    The poll out of Utah that showed support for gay marriage equal to the opposition. 48-48

    In Utah.

    (I never would have guessed Utah!)

    Nothing left to do but wave their wet teabag and pray, pray, pray, pray, and pray.

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:35:02 AM PST

    •  Nearly five years ago Nate Silver published (8+ / 0-)

      the results of a model indicating that public opinion would tip in every state by 2024, with Mississippi bringing up the rear. The model showed Indiana tipping in 2015. It will take some time for lawmakers to catch up with public opinion in each state.

      We have Marriage Equality in 17 states plus DC, and rulings for Marriage Equality currently stayed in two more, Utah and Oklahoma. There are lawsuits in more than 20 other states to get marriage bans overturned.

      Some in Indiana apparently want to have the distinction of passing the very last Constitutional ban on Marriage Equality of all before the dam gives way completely. We don't intend to let them.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:34:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Michael Steele on MSNBC just lamented the tone (11+ / 0-)

    deafness of the GOP.........and they're dim too Michael.

  •  Roll back the clock (7+ / 0-)

    The nostalgia party of old white men wants a return to the golden days of hate.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:42:27 AM PST

  •  As more states wake up and enter the 21st (16+ / 0-)

    Century and allow gay marriage the few states that are left are going to come up with loopier and crazier ways to prevent it. But what do they hope to achieve? Do they really think, "If only we can stop it here in Indiana we can stop it everywhere! Heh, Putin! Look at us!" Are they imagining themselves as some modern Charles Martel fighting the Islamic invaders at Tour with the future of Christendom at stake? Or do they hope to create a refuge for the "oppressed" straights and get them to flock to their state? Of course the truth is they're just petty, manipulative haters and "haters gonna hate" is as far as their limited thought processes go.

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:47:34 AM PST

  •  The entire thing is a fool's errand: (11+ / 0-)

    It will not be too long, I predict, before the arch-conservative Roberts court finds these kinds of state bills to be unconstitutional.

    Equality is coming, and it's pissed.

    This comment originates in an Equality State.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:48:07 AM PST

    •  As the Judge in Utah said in his ruling (3+ / 0-)
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      Scalia is right. The logic of the DOMA decision does demand full Marriage Equality, and Kennedy has shown a strong inclination to accept that logic. The only question left is when the case gets to the Supreme Court. They might well punt when the Utah and Oklahoma cases get through the Tenth Circuit, and claim that they don't have to rule on the result. That leaves two dozen other cases challenging other state bans heading their way.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:41:49 AM PST

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    •  Yep, marriage equality rooted in fed constitution (3+ / 0-)
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      We live in a federal republic, and the federal constitution takes precedence.  A state constitution can't overrule the bill of rights or any other part of the fed constitution.

      A state constitution can't ban guns or abortion, or legalize slavery.  Indiana doesn't get to say the fed constitution doesn't apply in Indiana.

      So actually I hope IN goes through with this and gets smacked down hard.  It'll send a good message to the regressive state's rights crowd that think they can use red states to turn the clock back. Doesn't work that way.

      •  Yes, the "Law Lords" will put the lie to it. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

        by commonmass on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 12:56:33 PM PST

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      •  They Have No Sane Arguments (1+ / 0-)
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        The proponents of the same sex constitutional ban (known as HJR3) have NO sane arguments to justify the need for placing anti-gay discrimination in the Indiana Constitution. However, we in the opposition in Hoosierland (I'm a born and bred Hoosier) are putting up a powerful fight. Both houses of our legislature are dominated by the GOP. However, there is some good news to report from Hoosierland! There are rumors that the predominate GOP legislature may not be able garner enough votes to put this odious constitutional amendment on the general election ballot in November. Let's hope these rumors become reality!  

  •  I have family in Indiana. (9+ / 0-)

    They're small-minded rednecks who are still in mourning over the demise of Jim Crow.  The 1970s and early feminism were so traumatizing, they've decided to pretend they never happened.  The concept of gay people as normal, happy, productive members of society who should be given all the rights of straights... well, you might as well be speaking in tongues for all they comprehend it.

    "Education is the key to unlock the golden door of freedom." -- G.W.Carver

    by northbronx on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:49:20 AM PST

    •  That may describe your family, but not everyone (6+ / 0-)

      in Indiana is a redneck.

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:50:18 AM PST

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    •  I married into a progressive Hoosier family (7+ / 0-)

      active in politics, and now live in retirement in Columbus, IN. The Republicans around here and around the country have gotten to be too much for some of my conservative in-laws. Richard Mourdock turned out to be too much even for Mike Pence supporters. My lesbian cousin and her partner are out to the community, and there are many others like them.

      There was a time when the Klan ruled Indiana. It imploded after the Grand Dragon, D. C. "Steve" Stephenson, was convicted in 1925 of multiple rape that drove his victim, schoolteacher Madge Oberholtzer, to suicide, and then he named names.

      Rednecks coming up from Kentucky is an old tradition here, going back to well before Abraham Lincoln, who grew up as a racist, but evolved considerably in Indiana and Illinois, and even more as President.

      The children of the racists and bigots are falling away at a significant rate that gives us reason to expect Indiana to be a regular swing state within a decade, and to turn Blue thereafter. But Marriage Equality is the issue that is running ahead of all other Progressive issues around the country.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:56:20 AM PST

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      •  And the most obnoxious (1+ / 0-)
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        members of my family are the oldest.  But their kids (and even the young-adult grandkids) are still pretty narrow-minded.  Maybe the inflow from Kentucky is reversing, because at least a couple of my cousins have settled down there in recent years.

        Sure as heck none of them know what to do with me, a liberal lefty.

        "Education is the key to unlock the golden door of freedom." -- G.W.Carver

        by northbronx on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 12:21:18 PM PST

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        •  The generational and demographic shifts (0+ / 0-)

          on most issues come to about 1% of the population each year. So it usually takes about 50 years for a good idea to grow from being able to be talked about in public to majority status. Looking back to Advise and Consent and Stonewall, we are right on track with Marriage Equality.

          Racism has taken much longer, of course.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:11:20 AM PST

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  •  Keep it up guys. (7+ / 0-)

    It's making you look great to the independent voters!

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:53:51 AM PST

  •  "He struggled with the decision over the weekend" (8+ / 0-)

    That really says it all, doesn't it? This guy "struggled" for two days to make a decision that could impact the lives and rights of his citizens for decades and will cost millions of dollars to defend in court, only to be struck down.

    Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

    by bull8807 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:56:36 AM PST

  •  If the state passes this law, (6+ / 0-)

    It will be ruled unconstitutional by a federal court. Equality is on a roll.

    "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

    by surfermom on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:01:25 AM PST

  •  He doesn't give a crap (9+ / 0-)

    ...about marriage equality.  

    He just wants a controversial bill on the ballot to drive the fundies to the polls one last time.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:04:37 AM PST

    •  In Indiana, marriage equality (3+ / 0-)

      is almost entirely a "banner issue" for opponents, a marker that they're taking a stand against sin and everything wrong with the world.
       There's a wrath of God, Sodom and Gomorrah aspect to it that may be hard to appreciate outside of the Bible belt. And comparing the situation to Utah is a little tenuous, since the Mormons learned long ago that their institutional survival depended on a veneer of going along to get along.

      •  See also: 40+ Repeal Obamacare votes by Boehner, (1+ / 0-)
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        basically to placate the baggies and give the n00bs some anti-Obama stats for their Sophomore race.

        Any time Boehner rolls out his tired old "listening to the American People" shtick he should be punched in the neck by an older relative simply as a matter of principle.

        Fox News' ROI: The Redistribution Of Ignorance.

        by here4tehbeer on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 12:51:53 PM PST

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    •  They obviously learned nothing from WI's ban (2+ / 0-)
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      Which the Republicans ram-rodded through their caucus, threatening to primary anyone who didn't vote for it (the only no vote in either chamber was retiring). So the constitutional marriage-equality ban wound up on the ballot in 2006 and while, tragically, it did pass, it also turned out enough students and presidential-year only voters for the Democrats to take back the Senate. Republicans also lost a number of swing districts, which sadly no longer exist in Republican-majority states. Even so, Indiana Republicans may very well find themselves surprised by some unintended consequences.

      •  They've managed to piss off a lot of people. (1+ / 0-)
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        simaramis

        Teachers are incensed as well, and lot of them (baffling to me) used to vote Republican. Not anymore.

        I am hoping they will lose significant ground this year, because almost every one of them is a teabagger. Best vote I made last year was crossing over and voting for Mourdock. Got rid of Lugar in favor of Donnelly, who despite being a blue dog, is a huge improvement.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

        by Dragon5616 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 02:33:56 PM PST

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  •  Denying marriage equality (3+ / 0-)

    If in any state there is a law that only a man and a woman can marry then there are going to be a large number of people that are going to have a very tough time meeting the provisions of the Affordable Care Act.  This is because insurance companies are not required to include "partners" on people's policies.  And, even though many conservatives believe that there are not that many gay people that are living together and need insurance coverage just like a spouse would have it, they are wrong.

    It is wrong minded and against any sense of inclusiveness not to allow gays and lesbians to marry.

  •  The chairman of the Elections Committee (7+ / 0-)

    Milo Smith, is my Representative here in Columbus Indiana. We are discussing what to do with that fact. One of our local Democratic activists is a member of his church. We don't think that we can convince him to evolve, but we can certainly let the community know who we are, and the effect the existing and more draconian proposed marriage bans have on us, our families, our friends, and local business.

    Cummins Engine, headquartered in Columbus and supplying global markets with diesel engines, wind power generators, and more, is one of the funders of Freedom Indiana. The company has testified against the ban because it drives away engineering talent from the state, including people whom Cummins spent serious money trying to hire. Ely Lilly, similarly. Meanwhile Gov. Mike Pence claims with a straight face that marriage bans are good for the economy.

    I diaried this issue and the strategies being taken against HJR 3 yesterday in Freedom Indiana vs. Constitutional Marriage Ban. I posted it to Indianapolis Kossacks, and it was republished by Kossacks for Marriage Equality and Community Spotlight.

    This is a bipartisan issue. A fair number of Republicans, though obviously still a fairly small minority of the Party, are with us, enough to prevent passage of the bill through the Judiciary Committee last week.

    Short version: Freedom Indiana is organizing protests and testimony, and is getting thousands of Hoosiers to call their representatives. We will be well positioned to GOTV if this gets on the ballot for Nov. 4. Polling is in our favor, because the proposed ban not only prohibits same sex marriage, but anything substantially equivalent, such as civil unions.

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:17:26 AM PST

    •  People might not know the text of the amendment (1+ / 0-)
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      In NC, polls similarly showed that voters opposed banning both marriage and civil unions, but they were also totally clueless as to what the amendment said (they thought it only banned marriage) so it passed in a low-turnout election. In order to defeat this amendment, a massive campaign will need to educate voters as to this amendment.

      •  The NC case (2+ / 0-)
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        Note that in North Carolina it was put on the ballot during the  May 8th primary.  Honestly, there was no reason for Democrats to vote in the primary, only Republicans, so it was a stacked deck from start to finish.  Turnout was, of course, excessively low.

        At least in Indiana they are putting it in the general election.  I dunno if that will matter -- it's a very conservative state.  But it at least will be a fair election.

        Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

        by lostboyjim on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:42:47 AM PST

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        •  Keep in mind that Richard Mourdock was too much (3+ / 0-)
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          JGibson, lostboyjim, Dragon5616

          even for fans of Mike Pence. Opponents of Marriage Equality are even worse than Mourdock. Pence himself claiming that marriage bans are good for state economies is a mild example of the lying and bigotry.

          Yes, we have our work cut out for us to make sure that people do know what HJR 3 says, specifically the second sentence, and what politicians and others say about it.

          Only a marriage between one (1) man and one (1) woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Indiana. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.
          So no civil unions, and no recognition of marriages in other states. Although the Indiana National Guard has had to follow DoD policy on recognizing marriages and providing benefits to spouses. So that is already a strike against the proposal.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 09:08:28 AM PST

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        •  My rights (1+ / 0-)
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          Dragon5616

          If they can vote on my civil rights then I can vote on their gun rights.  How's that sound?

    •  Keep up the good work (1+ / 0-)
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      Dragon5616

      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 08:33:45 AM PST

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    •  So WTF - the Elections Committee? (2+ / 0-)
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      kat herder, Dragon5616

      Does this then mean that an environmental bill can be funneled through Transportation? Or an abortion restrictions bill might be heard by Telecommunications? Why even name these committees if the floor leadership is free to send bills to wherever is thought to be the venue most likely to pass it through, or kill it, as desired, regardless of subject matter?

      Your black cards can make you money, so you hide them when you're able; in the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table - Steely Dan

      by OrdinaryIowan on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 09:43:25 AM PST

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      •  Believe it or not, it's not that unusual (2+ / 0-)
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        Dragon5616, OrdinaryIowan

        I've worked as a grassroots organizer and lobbyist in multiple states and one thing I've learned over the years is that nothing happens without leadership's approval (barring situations where the caucus is in revolt). If they want something to pass badly enough, they will shop committees until they find one that will give it the green-light. On the flip side, if they really want to stop a bill, especially one with grassroots momentum behind it, they'll send it to a hostile committee. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to clients that a bill didn't just happen to end up in the "wrong" committee--it was sent there by leadership. Often this is after they were led to believe they had leadership's support, which is a common trick to play on do-gooders who are trying to make the process work for ordinary citizens.

  •  Why don't they let the gays have their fun before (1+ / 0-)
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    Sharia Law sets in?

  •  Dead white male voters (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh girlfriend.  Give it up.  Your bigoted old white men are nearly gone.  Evangelicals numbers are dwindling.  Move on.  You're killing the GOP by clinging to this anti marriage equality thing you're obsessed with.  Countdown to his rent boys outing him... 9...8...7...6

  •  Live stream of hearing on HJR3... (2+ / 0-)
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  •  This is a big gamble (1+ / 0-)
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    Dragon5616

    We will win in Oregon. If it's on the ballot in Indiana and we win there too, it's a knockout blow. After a sweep in 2012, the media narrative for the anti-gay side would be blistering and not withstandable. The bandwagon effect would accelerate. It'd be over.

    This is their Waterloo.

  •  Why do politicians waste tax $ on this s#!+? (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP constantly complains about the cost of government, but these same people keep coming up with frivolous bills, obstructionist ploys, and costly appeals.  There's so much that needs to be done, but all we get for our money is political posturing.

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