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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrives at the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) conference opening session in Dublin December 6, 2012. REUTERS/Cathal McNaughton (IRELAND - Tags: POLITICS)
Republicans have a new talking point against Hillary Clinton's potential presidential candidacy, and boy is it a doozy. Apparently, because Clinton's husband had an affair with a White House intern close to 20 years ago, she now cannot point out that Republicans embrace a variety of viciously anti-woman policies.

First up, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, himself a 2016 hopeful, was asked on Meet the Press if he thinks Bill Clinton's inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky would be fair game in a campaign against Hillary Clinton. After 174 words, Paul got around to saying "Now, it's not Hillary's fault." But first, he opened with:

Well, you know, I mean, the Democrats, one of their big issues is they have concocted and said Republicans are committing a war on women.  One of the workplace laws and rules that I think are good is that bosses shouldn't prey on young interns in their office.

And I think really the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this.  He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office.

Bill Clinton's actions were wrong! No one is defending them. That was also in 1995 and 1996. It is now 2014 and he is not a candidate for office. But that didn't stop Joe Scarborough, who as a member of the House of Representatives voted to impeach Clinton in 1998, from taking up the argument. Calling it "an ugly chapter in our history," Scarborough compared it to the Iraq War—leaving out the part where more than 4,000 U.S. troops and more than 100,000 Iraqis died in the Iraq War, of course—and suggested that we should "let them go." But then he continued, "That said ..."
“If Hillary Clinton attacks the Republican Party’s handling of women and treatment of women and disrespect for women and suggests they’re misogynists etc., etc., etc., it does seem to be a fair question to ask right now a few years out, does the media have a responsibility to say, ‘Well, let’s see what happened when you were in the White House and how women were treated when you were in the governor’s mansion and the White House?’ Is that fair?”
Again, we're talking about something that happened nearly 20 years ago. And that Hillary Clinton was in all likelihood more opposed to than most of the rest of us. But mostly, as much as we would hope for appropriate behavior from our politicians, policy is actually more important. Bill Clinton was the president who signed the Violence Against Women Act when it was first passed; Republicans tried to weaken the Violence Against Women Act when it was reauthorized last year. Bill Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act, and Democrats are now trying to pass paid family leave to improve on the FMLA. That's another bill Republicans won't consider, along with other Democratic priorities like raising the minimum wage (which disproportionately affects women) or passing the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. To say nothing of all the forced-ultrasound bills Republicans have supported across the country.

If all Republicans have against Hillary is something an individual action by someone other than her nearly 20 years ago, and they're running with that this enthusiastically and this early, you know they're scared.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:04 AM PST.

Also republished by Feminism, Pro-Feminism, Womanism: Feminist Issues, Ideas, & Activism, Barriers and Bridges, and Daily Kos.

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  •  ridiculous (6+ / 0-)

    on the other hand, the kids will finally get the reference in "Partition" since so many weren't even born yet (!) when that happened.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility

    by terrypinder on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:10:24 AM PST

  •  as if... (22+ / 0-)

    one philanderer somehow equals a systematic, policy based attack on half of the population. The talk radio dead-enders will run with it, but it won't get much traction beyond those wackos. Good luck with that one.

    Power to the Peaceful!

    by misterwade on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:12:05 AM PST

  •  There are straws to be grasped for sure. (25+ / 0-)

    Keep reaching GOPers.

    And aren't these the same people who focused on Sarah Palin's Legs, and Beauty Queen status, while bemoaning the possibility of having to watch Hillary Age?

    Sorry, having a Binders Full of Women Moment between hundreds of pieces of legislation being introduced at state and federal levels that take away women's rights, all of them introduced by GOPers with their religious puppet masters.

    Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

    by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:12:11 AM PST

    •  They still have women who own dancing horses. (2+ / 0-)
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      And women who want to be lied to (about everything.)

      "I hesitate to agree with Ted Nugent...."

      by waterstreet2013 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:01:38 AM PST

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    •  This could backfire (4+ / 0-)

      just as it backfired on them to attack BILL Clinton over Monica Lewinsky in the first place. The more they wrung their hands and got the vapors and carried on about how he behaved as NO politician before him had EVER behaved and how can children look up to politicians as role models NOW, the higher Bill Clinton's approval ratings went.

      No one took this seriously as an "issue" in the first place except maybe the now blessedly departed-from-public-life Joe Lie-berman.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:54:41 AM PST

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      •  Yah think? (2+ / 0-)
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        Please, oh pretty please, let whatever sack of shit that gets to stand against Hillary drop THAT one into the discussion.

        Reince fucking Priebus JUST FUCKING FINISHED TELLING THEM not to send up lobs that the Dems can spike and this blithering idiot opens his brainless yap and does this?

        They deal with history and changing positions by simply forgetting or ignoring whatever they said 5 minutes ago. And here is more proof. These dumb-as-a-box-of-hammers klutzes really CANNOT REMEMBER anything more than 5  minutes past unless its fucking well written on their hands.

        I can hear Hils licking her lips from NZ for chrissake.

        Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

        by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:33:56 PM PST

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        •  The GOP are competing with each other now (0+ / 0-)

          I bet the corporate money is getting scarce for these nutcase losers, thank to their own repeated implosions and the horizon of electoral failures lacing their future.  They think the competition is other GOPers and they're trying to out-nutjob each other in an attempt to garner support from the base, which they can point to with the left hand while holding out the right hand as they beg for $$.

          Unfortunately, that is not good news for us, because guess where that buy-a-politician money is going to go now, because it isn't going to go away.

      •  Okay GOP, if a candidate's husband's long ago (1+ / 0-)
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        consensual fling reflects badly on said candidate, what are we to think of Newt-serial-philanderer-Gingrich and David-I'll-pay-you-to-spank-me-Vitter?

        •  Well clearly their wives will have to drop (1+ / 0-)
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          teaching Sunday school--seeing how they practically had a threesome or grouple, in the case of ole Newt.

          Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

          by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:15:08 PM PST

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  •  It's an indirect attack on Hillary (10+ / 0-)

    Part of Hillary's popularity obviously rests on the popularity of Bill Clinton.  Take some of the shine off him, and you can take some of the shine off of her.

    Harkening back to that time also may remind people of a time when they may have disliked the Clintons, since they were quite controversial and somewhat unpopular at that time.

    It's obviously also an attack on her as a woman, and on her morals.  Basically, they are trying to paint her as someone who was using her husband for personal gain, otherwise she should have stood up more forcefully against Bill's liaisons.  AKA a golddigger.  And as you pointed out they are desperate to muddy the waters about their war on women.  Instead of stopping it, they are trying to give themselves cover by playing their same old "I know you are but what am I?" game.

    I don't think it's going to work.  Maybe some of this  could have worked in 2008, but after her stint as SOS she has a much better established political track record of her own now, and she is much, much better-known.  Trying to change the narrative about her now is going to be a lot harder.

    •  But it will help some for them to remind Americans (2+ / 0-)
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      of the downsides of the Clinton era and whether or not they want to go BACK to all that melodrama or move on.  

      Hillary is playing it safe right now, playing not to lose.  She's giving us NOTHING about the FUTURE and Americans have a right and a need to know where we are going not just where we've been.

      Sure, she's certainly well known but Republicans will do well to define her as part of the PAST and it's up to her to do something about that, soon.

      •  the only folks who will listen to this nonsense (15+ / 0-)

        and actually get onboard is folks who don't like her anyway.

        And actually, it may serve just the opposite: remind folks of the upsides of the Clinton era, as described above.

        I can't even logically make the connection between Bill's transgressions 20 years ago, and how that affects Hillary's ability to currently deal with women's issues, much less issues of governance. Whatever those two worked out, it's not our business.

        •  Sure, it cuts both ways. They have to drive up (0+ / 0-)

          her negatives any way they can because we've still pretty much got the same divide we've had the last few elections.  Bringing up old news also reminds us that she's, well, old.  

          I'm just saying she's still got to give voters today a reason to vote for her tomorrow instead of playing "Don't stop thinking about YESTERDAY"  Hmmm....maybe she could get Paul McCartney to write a tune.

        •  Precisely (0+ / 0-)

          It gives Fox "News" something to cover so they can continue their avoidance of reality.

          Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

          by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:57:29 AM PST

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      •  She hasn't even declared yet! (2+ / 0-)

        How can she be playing to lose?

      •  Them? (0+ / 0-)

        You mean, added to the multitudes here helping the GOP do its work?

      •  I can't agree that the Clintons... (1+ / 0-)
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        had much to do with the "melodrama." Yes, Bill, should have kept it in his pants and his failure to do so did provide an opening for lots of melodrama, but it was not his, or come to that Hilary's, melodrama.

        ALL the melodrama came from the people afflicted with Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

        We must not forget that right-whingers accused the Clintons of murder, extortion, murder, losing their personal money in an investment (Whitewater), murder, supporting "one-world government, being socialists/communists, murder, high crimes and misdemeanors, murder, being members of the Illuminati, murder, connections to "the mafia," murder, making genocidal war on Iraq to distract Americans from the impeachment trial (MASS murder), and of course winning two elections and shattering their fantasy of a "permanent Republican government".

        "An egg is not poultry.” An old Blues tune's brilliant insight into the notion that a zygote can, in any sense, be "a person."

        by carbonman1950 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:38:01 AM PST

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        •  The war in Iraq was not started under Bill, other- (0+ / 0-)

          wise your points make sense.  Hopefully people remember how much better off we were under Bill as a nation.  Obama has done pretty well; Hillary might bring us all the way back.  So far as age goes, remember the right wing icon president, and remind them that women remain healthy about 8 years longer than men, on the average.  Thus Hill has a lot of good years left.  

    •  Yet she was more popular then because of it (4+ / 0-)

      She evinced a ton of sympathy from the public over the affair, so I think this so-called strategy by the GOP is totally bonkers.

      In fact I cannot think of a single thing in the GOP repertoire that isn't looking backwards to what has already been. They lack, shall we say, any imagination. They have fantasy galore, but imagination--nothing.

      •  Looking backwards is what they do best. (0+ / 0-)

        In fact looking backwards is the rightists' only skill. Well... that and celebrating ignorance and cruelty.
        Devolution is their goal and their game plan.
        They are so backwards that their "leaders" have convinced them that their goal is to take the country backwards to a golden age (that never actually existed).
        A time when slaves were well off and happy.
        A time when sharecroppers were prosperous and the gentlemen who owned the land they sharecropped were generous and considerate.
        A time when 8 year old children worked in airy, safe, well lit factories.
        A time when a few states, perfectly willing to let Black slaves have their freedom, patriotically seceded from the United States of America to protect state's rights.

        "An egg is not poultry.” An old Blues tune's brilliant insight into the notion that a zygote can, in any sense, be "a person."

        by carbonman1950 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:50:24 AM PST

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    •  Actually, they weren't unpopular (1+ / 0-)
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      Clinton's ratings went up as this "scandal" was breaking. Americans never took it as seriously as morally indignant rightwingers in desperate search of an issue. And they weren't "controversial" — they were controversialized. That's when there's no real controversy until you create one, sort of like creationism.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:56:52 AM PST

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    •  Except (0+ / 0-)

      that, for all that was wrong with the Lewinsky affair, it barely breathed on the Clinton shine.

      Forgive my temerity but in the US, "that bad boy" is a compliment, yes?

      There are SO MANY lines she could use her only problem will be picking among them.

      Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

      by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:37:28 PM PST

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    •  But it was his fall, that garnered her sympathy (0+ / 0-)

      She was gracious about this mess.

      I would say that the GOP just doesn't like her because she showed some class. Which is nonexistent on the Joe Wilson side of the fence.

      Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

      by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:21:06 PM PST

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  •  Younger voters who don't even remember (29+ / 0-)

    Bill Clinton's administration aren't going to care.  They may care that they get to vote for the first woman as President.

    And those of us who are old enough to remember don't think that anything Bill Clinton did in his private life reflects in any way on Hillary Clinton's abilities as presidential candidate, so...where's he goin' with this again?

    •  Plus (0+ / 0-)

      since then she has been, of shit, what was it now?

      Oh yes, secretary of state. Still, that totally disqualifies her among this shower of shitbrains because that involves being, you know, mostly polite to furriners.

      Holy cow, can they NEVER allow a single braincell 10 seconds to think about the real and actual problems of the nation?

      Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

      by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:45:20 PM PST

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  •  Republicans have never forgiven Hillary for not (22+ / 0-)

    divorcing Bill.

    Kind of odd since they're the party which claims to be in favor of marriages.

    But, of course, they never let their theoretical principles interfere with their political behavior.

    •  Bill never... (4+ / 0-)

      took the GOP route of ventriloquizing "I've been forgiven" in God's voice like Republicans that lie, cheat, and steal do.

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:09:24 AM PST

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      •  I never thought I'd look at Bill's behavior in the (4+ / 0-)
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        Monica Lewinsky scandal and think he acted morally, or think he was in any way a modest man but, compared to Gingrich, Vittner, Mark Sanford, et al. he was a shining example of virtue and humility for not doing just what you said -- self-reporting he was a sinner but then became a paragon because he spoke to Jeebus and all was forgiven.  Must be nice to have a God that's so compassionate for your sins, but condemns people not you (poor, gays, women who have sex, etc.) for their behavior.

    •  And if she HAD divorced him ... (1+ / 0-)
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      they'd be attacking her for that.

      They didn't really CARE what she did — they were going to use it against her.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:58:28 AM PST

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  •  It's Possible to Overthink Conservative Messaging. (12+ / 0-)

    Conservatives say goooood things about people and policies they support, and they say baaaaaad things about those they oppose.

    That is a whole, complete, lossless compression of every possible conservative message.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:16:26 AM PST

  •  Really stupid strategy because it could (17+ / 0-)

    make Hillary the sympathetic wronged figure again--that is, if anyone even cares.

    •  To be honest, I suspect it's an opening for (11+ / 0-)

      The seemingly popular teabagger She's-a-Lesbian-and-Bill's-a-Poonhound-Sleaze-serving-as-each-others-Beard-politically Theory. Yes they're really that crazy and crass.

      •  I'm sure you're right. And it's funny because (6+ / 0-)
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        this isn't 1998;  few care outside of the dying Fox demographic.  Talk about beating a dead horse.

      •  That is their birther attack. (4+ / 0-)

        We are seeing the beginning of the switch from Obama-hatred to Clinton-hatred.  It will only get more shrill as it looks as if she will win in 2016.  And FoxNews needs to feed their fans shit to believe.    

        Yes, it will backfire.

        Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

        by TomP on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:40:34 AM PST

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        •  That and "Benghazi". Bgzi is more of an attack (5+ / 0-)

          on H than it is O.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:44:17 AM PST

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          •  And it'll be JUST as effective! (1+ / 0-)
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            •  Fuck off (rhetorical) (1+ / 0-)
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              The people they care about can't even pronounce Benghazi, let alone know where it is, let alone remember what happened, or didn't, there.

              These brain-dead polyps think that just because it ends in -azi its something to do with Hitler so that makes it baaaaad.

              Or something.

              Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

              by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:51:40 PM PST

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              •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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                They could claim that she was freshman roomies with Hannibal Lecter and their mouth-breathing base will believe it.  But they can't win the WH with their base alone, and "-azi"isms have been going (and will continue to go) over like iron dirigibles with anyone who remotely approaches the profile of "independent".

              •  Well, their attack at least partially succeeded. (0+ / 0-)

                You may remember, that on the evening of 9/11, the Romney campaign sent out that idiot press release (tweet?) criticizing the WH, etc. for their response to the video protests, (incl. at the time the Libya protests).

                Then Romney gave that weird, scripted press conference the next day, even after the 4 deaths were confirmed. He didn't even acknowledge the deaths, as I remember.

                Romney was panned, slammed, and ridiculed by many foreign policy experts, and the media.

                His numbers tanked.

                Then in the following week, Rove started Benghazi-gate with an editorial somewhere. The gop jumped on the bandwagon, and Romney was temporarily off the hook.
                "Benghazi-gate" was forced into the news cycle by the gop and the media sucked it up.

                What I would like to see would be an honest accounting of that whole narrative. I think between now and 2015 the Dems should see to it that the real history of Benghazigate gets told, and the narrative becomes the gop denial of the facts about Benghazi.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:17:55 PM PST

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        •  TomP - That will be another switch... (0+ / 0-)

          from Clinton-hatred, to Obama-hatred, and back to Clinton-hatred.

          Web search "Clinton crimes". You will be reminded of how much the right-whingers hated Bill Clinton and the literally thousands of crimes they accused Hilary and Bill of committing.

          As I count them up, it seems to me that the Clinton haters have, over the years, accused them of several hundred murders alone.

          "An egg is not poultry.” An old Blues tune's brilliant insight into the notion that a zygote can, in any sense, be "a person."

          by carbonman1950 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:57:59 AM PST

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      •  How could she be a lesbian? (1+ / 0-)
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        She was having an affair with Vince Foster and when he threatened to spill the beans, she killed him, right in the White House, and had his body loaded into a vehicle and dumped in the park. I'm sure Rush Limbaugh would be glad to discuss this with you.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

        by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:59:52 AM PST

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        •  The question is--should it matter if she was? (0+ / 0-)

          Or wasn't.

          During the 90s, it might have mattered if someone was a lesbian, due to the laws on the books and the fights for equality had yet to take root in this country like it has today.

          What if Hilary or if any candidate were gay or bisexual or transexual? Should it matter any more than if they are heterosexual? To us anyhow?

          If not, then I say lets nip that in the bud. No straight woman should held back because her performance against men is stereotypically classified as a lesbian, nor should any lesbian woman be held back for being gay.

          Neither of these traits should be prerequisites for public office any more than what color you are or what church you do or don't go to.

          Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

          by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:27:17 PM PST

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          •  Gay does not matter. In relatively conservative (0+ / 0-)

            Maine, US representative Mike Michaud has come out of the closet as a homosexual (see: )
            Mike's biggest danger is a moderate independent splitting the sensible vote, allowing the 40% nuts to win.  That is how LePage became governor in the first place.  

            •  Yes, but you see what I am getting at? (0+ / 0-)

              Putting Hillary in that classification is very similar to what some people do to female military members.

              If we compete too well against males, it must be because we are gay, therefore it's okay to mistreat us. And if we are not gay, there must be something wrong with us therefore it's okay to hold us back and mistreat us.

              This happened to many gay and straight women in the service, and it may still be happening. The real problem here isn't whether one is gay or straight, it's simply that she is a woman. Whether she is called gay, or slutty or a bimbo is just another excuse, a proxy for her female-ness.

              Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

              by GreenMother on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 06:53:33 AM PST

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      •  I heard that one a lot. (0+ / 0-)


        Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

        by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:23:27 PM PST

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  •  Rand lies (16+ / 0-)
    the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this
    That %%%%%%% story was on the frontpage every day for a year courtesy of the corporate media.
  •  Reverend Al's response to Scarborough: (38+ / 0-)

    Please proceed, assholes

    “I dare the Republicans to take that to her,” Sharpton said. “Because if I’m her, I would dribble, hit the backboard and score a three-pointer from way out. Because she was the wife in this. She was not one I would want to mess with.”

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:19:54 AM PST

  •  Can you smell the Republican desperation? (20+ / 0-)

    It is hanging heavy in the air.
    Monica? Seriously?
    What's next? Will we see commercials blasting Democrats for allowing JFK to carry on with Marilyn Monroe?
    Maybe they can get some mileage out of FDR. I hear he might have sent a destroyer to pick up his dog at great expense to the taxpayers.

    •  My thoughts, exactly! eom (2+ / 0-)
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      If you acknowledge it, you can change it.

      by Raggedy Ann on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:46:56 AM PST

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    •  This all may be more of an effort to keep the (0+ / 0-)

      tp arties all inflamed and psyched about voting in 2014 than it is a real strategy for 2016.

      It's "turn out the base" red meat, that will have no effect elsewhere. That may be enough for 2014, but it's not for 2016.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:48:05 AM PST

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      •  Given that the righties have the attention span of (2+ / 0-)
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        a gnat, I don't know if this would work with even them.  The right-wing religion-addled brain can't remember back that far.  They'd do better sticking with some newer golden oldies like, "The scary black man is coming to take your guns and force birth control down your wives' and daughters' throats, so you better make sure you keep God-fearing Republicans in Congress!"

    •  "I love it, God help me, I do love it." (2+ / 0-)
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      At one point on a battlefield, Patton smells the smoke of spent gunpowder and says, "I love it, God help me, I do love it. I love it more than my life."

      The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

      by NCJim on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:48:08 AM PST

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      •  He also said (0+ / 0-)

        (paraphrase) " pretty good strategy, executed with violence today, will always beat the perfect strategy that has to wait for next week".

        Rethug problem is that they can't seem to tell the difference between a pretty good strategy and parking a stick of dynamite in their own pocket with the fuse burning.

        And Sharpton is wrong. HRC grabs the ball, turns her back to the goal, flicks it over her shoulder and takes 3 points, nothing but net.

        Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

        by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:57:20 PM PST

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    •  I love the smell of GOP desperation in themorning. (0+ / 0-)

      It's the smell of vistory.

    •  about Fala . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      These Republican leaders have not been content with attacks on me, or my wife, or on my sons. No, not content with that, they now include my little dog, Fala. Well, of course, I don't resent attacks, and my family don't resent attacks, but Fala does resent them. You know, Fala is Scotch, and being a Scottie, as soon as he learned that the Republican fiction writers in Congress and out had concocted a story that I'd left him behind on an Aleutian island and had sent a destroyer back to find him — at a cost to the taxpayers of two or three, or eight or twenty million dollars — his Scotch soul was furious. He has not been the same dog since. I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself ... But I think I have a right to resent, to object, to libelous statements about my dog!
  •  If I were a guest on Scarborough today when (23+ / 0-)

    he started saying that, my response would be immediate:

    "Then you should be judged on dead interns in your office"

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:20:54 AM PST

  •  They're obviously crapping (13+ / 0-)

    in their little boy pants over the prospect of facing Hillary in 2016.

    It's pathetic. And they expect to be taken seriously? I mean by anyone other than a serious mainstream journalist or pundit, or anyone with an IQ level beyond fossil?

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:03 AM PST

    •  They should be crapping their pants (2+ / 0-)
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      about virtually ANY Democrat running against them, because all our potential candidates are sane, and theirs are not. I hope they are totally blindsided when Hillary doesn't run, and they have to attack someone else.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:01:32 PM PST

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      •  I was going to say (0+ / 0-)

        that IMHO i don't believe Hillary will be the nominee. 2014 is way too early. Like they say at this point in the 2008 cycle everyone knew it would be Hillary vs Rudy G in 2008. How did that turn out?
        But that was too involved for the purposes of the post and response...

        Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

        by kenwards on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:10:31 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Saw Rand Paul roll this out on MTP (9+ / 0-)

    where he gave a completely uninterrupted diatribe about how women have won the war on women because his niece goes to veterinary school and anyway Bill Clinton is a predator.

    David Gregory let him go on and on and then brightly asked the next "Here, let me set you up with a softball" question.

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:24 AM PST

    •  This Is Why I Never Watch MTP (4+ / 0-)
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      Why would Gregory even broach the Monica affair?

      •  Why? Because he is the pitching machine (4+ / 0-)
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        on Meet The Republican Talking Points.

        I don't watch it anymore - I have switched to Steve Kornacki on MSNBC, much much more interesting, even though it is almost totally New Jersey focused right now. (I can completely see where he thinks all the breadcrumbs are heading)

        I just happened to catch the Rand Paul bit on MTP when we were channel surfing later and caught a bit of the repeat for the West Coast.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:41:43 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  It came up (0+ / 0-)

        in a question about Rand Paul's wife interrupting Rand at an  event and interjected her personal feelings about how bad Bill Clinton had treated women, specifically Monica.

        Rand's wife seems to be quite opinionated, and not afraid to share.

        Early salvo by Paul lobbed into Hillarys camp...she will handle with ease if needed.

    •  And Paul completely sidestepped (2+ / 0-)
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      the question he was asked.  It was an amazing bit of contortionist theater.  Gregory did not point out that he hadn't answered the question.  

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:49:00 AM PST

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      •  Yes, as usual Gregory did not point out that (4+ / 0-)
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        he hadn't answered the question. Because as an "access journalist", he is afraid that if he asked any actual questions or did any real follow-up, he would lose his VIP pass to the cocktail weenie circuit.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:54:27 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Coward (2+ / 0-)
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    This is truly pathetic.

    When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion. - Abraham Lincoln

    by EntrWriter on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:31:59 AM PST

  •  That's just to take away the "War on Women" (2+ / 0-)
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    meme from Hillary.  

    I suspect they have more bullets to pot shot at her, although better [not sure what noun to use here] than Reince Preibus have been looking for the good stuff for a long while without any measure of success.  

    “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:33:44 AM PST

  •  They REALLY don't even understand conservative (7+ / 0-)



    You know what Hillary did?  She followed the teachings Christians value and did not divorce - and instead sought healing and forgiveness.  Do you know how many Christian/GOP women, who also don't really believe in divorce, consider her a hero?  Do you know how many of them have put up with shenanigans from their men and stuck w/them?  

    This is why I think she wins a landslide, pulls 15% of the Republican/female vote.

    And you know what - i REALLY REALLY hope whatever stooge they nominate is stupid enough to bring this up in the debates - it will make Bentson's response to Quayle's Jack Kennedy comment seem tame.

  •  Plus, Monica Lewinsky was in charge of security in (12+ / 0-)


    See how it all ties together in a nice, neat bow?

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:36:41 AM PST

    •  And she orchestrated ENRON! (1+ / 0-)
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      And organized Anonymous protesters at OWs events!

      She also runs the world wide Satanic Conspiracy to take over all the world's governments and impose a New World Order, when she's not presiding over marauding bands of Freemasons.

      Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

      by GreenMother on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:31:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Please FSM, make the GOP run against Bill. (5+ / 0-)

    Please touch them with you noodly appendage and compel  them to bleat on endlessly about how Democrats hate women because Bill is a horn dog.  Please, please make it so.

    Black criminals are treated like animals. Black victims are treated like criminals. Black heroes are treated like punchlines. -@aemccarthy

    by docterry on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:36:48 AM PST

  •  I can hear the Hillary strategist cackling, (4+ / 0-)

    "Oh, please don't throw her into that briar patch!"

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:37:09 AM PST

    •  Unless that strategist is Mark Penn... (0+ / 0-) which case he'd be saying it not with mockery but with paralyzing dread, to the point of throwing the whole Clinton campaign into chaos.  All I can say is that if does it, please make it earlier rather than later so we can get it over with.

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:41:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I remember saying at the time that the Clintons (1+ / 0-)

    ... should have had Hillary storm into the Oval Office and knee Bill right in the balls -- while pretending not to know that television crews had cameras trained on the Oval Office window from outside.

    Every woman in America would have cheered and that would have been the end of the scandal, no matter how much Republicans wanted to make it into something bigger.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:39:04 AM PST

    •  As much as I like Bill Clinton (2+ / 0-)
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      If a knee to the groin would have done the trick (in time), it would have been worth it for everyone.  Put Hillary's future aside for a moment:  Her husband's philandering resulted in the election of GWB.

      West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

      by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:49:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yep. (0+ / 0-)

        It would have been the kind of "justice" that everyone in America could understand. It would have boosted Hillary, humbled Bill and allowed the rest of the country to identify with human moment that all could relate to at some level.

        "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

        by Bob Johnson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:54:13 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  He also frittered away his second term (0+ / 0-)

        He had an enormous opportunity after the defeat of Bush I to redefine American foreign policy after the end of the Cold War.  He didn't.  Dick Cheney did.  Now, we're getting ready to crown Hillary the Hawk so she can continue Dick
        Cheney's foreign policy.  

        Hey, I could be wrong.  If so, let's hear from Hillary........

      •  No It Didn't (1+ / 0-)
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        Vote rigging in Florida, the partisan Supreme Court, and the ego maniac Ralph Naider was what got George Bush elected. It had nothing to do with Clinton as proven by Gore winning the popular vote.

        Collect Different Days

        by Homers24 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:18:49 AM PST

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        •  The Gore campaign's inability to use Clinton (0+ / 0-)

          helped, I think, make it close enough for these other factors to become meaningful.  I'd even argue that Clinton's actions may have helped pump up the Nader vote, too.

          West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

          by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 01:29:05 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I Think You Are Wrong ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... on all three counts.

            You seem to forget Bill Clinton left office with the highest end-of-office approval rating of any U.S. president since World War II.

            Collect Different Days

            by Homers24 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 03:39:29 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  But still, Gore felt he couldn't campaign with him (0+ / 0-)

              Which I think was a mistake on Gore's part, BTW.

              Really, you don't think in such a close election that Clinton's actions didn't influence some people to look more seriously at GWB?  It only took a few in a number of states, not just Florida.

              It didn't bother me, so I'm with you.  But some in the electorate were terrorized by the whole thing.

              West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

              by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 06:50:03 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Actually I Don't ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... think Clinton's infidelity had any impact at all. Which is why I completely agree it was a serious mistake for Al Gore not to campaign with the Clinton's.

                The two things I think had the biggest negative impact on the election were Ralph Naider and the completely false accusation that Gore claimed to have invented the internet.

                Collect Different Days

                by Homers24 on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:38:29 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

    •  Actually The Opposite Was True (1+ / 0-)
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      Hillary Clinton did something incredibly important for future politics in this nation that she never gets credit for. And that was prior to she and Bill's campaign having sex was political death. Just like it was for Gary Hart. Simply being caught having an affair ended politicians careers no matter how qualified they were and despite the fact that historically our best presidents almost universally were guilty of extra marital affairs but that was before our worthless mainstream media turned from reporting actual news and politics to sinking to salacious sensationalism.

      But then came along Bill and Hillary Clinton with Bill already being proven to have had multiple affairs. That should have automatically eliminated him except Hillary managed to defeat that then and from then on when she directly addressed it by saying; "Yes I am very well aware of these allegations, and Bill and I have worked through them. And it is no longer a problem for me. But if it is for you, then heck, don't vote for him."

      And from then on infidelity was no longer a way to end a politicians career.

      Collect Different Days

      by Homers24 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:30:01 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sure, but doing what I suggested plays right into (0+ / 0-)

        ... that.

        It's settled between them, and not in the press. Except that the press would have gotten a peak at Hillary's righteous anger and the rest of America would have said, "It's settled!"

        "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

        by Bob Johnson on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:35:36 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Is this seriously supposed to appeal to women? (7+ / 0-)

    Or is it just a chance to pander to the Republican primary voters?

    Nobody who succeeds in getting elected to the Senate can possibly be deluded enough to think that argument is going to sit well with women voters who aren't already committed to right-wing politics.

    Can he?

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:39:12 AM PST

  •  Hillary could just use that to explain how (2+ / 0-)
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    women are still treated so poorly in the workplace.
    I don't recall her ever defending President Clinton's actions.

    I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong. Seldom turns out the way it does in this song.

    by mungley on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:39:42 AM PST

  •  Idiots. (8+ / 0-)

    You don't get people to forget your opponents' attack line (e.g. "War on Women") by repeating it.

    I really can't believe these idiots have spent two weeks getting our branding in front of every camera and mic they can find. Are we paying them?

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:40:06 AM PST

  •  Well, if certain people's talking points... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...against Clinton in 2007-8 included the fact that she was a Goldwater Girl, I guess 1998 is pretty fresh pickings.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:40:39 AM PST

  •  Wait a minute. I've got it. BENGAZI! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  maybe if he didn't kidnap a woman 20 years ago (2+ / 0-)
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    anon004, Powell

    Rand would have a stronger case to make about old behavior other people did. Oh wait, he was the one who kidnapped that woman.

  •  Ummmm its probably not a (2+ / 0-)
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    good idea to push the woman vote against you. Especially considering after 2016 the stupid party will have to fight for Texas, Georgia and Arizona all of which will become the new battlegrounds…

    But please go ahead GOP, go right ahead....

  •  Encourage these Republican yahoos. (3+ / 0-)
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    This is what these low lifes have?

    I guarandamntee Ms. Clinton will clean their clock on this bullshit. I say go for it Republicans and let them have at it. Then watch her destroy them as it sheds more light on the Republican war on women.

    And let's not forget, as this Republican strategy continues, more women will see this for what it is and move further away from voting Republican.

    Please proceed Republicans.

    "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

    by wxorknot on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:42:45 AM PST

  •  So, Clinton (Bill Clinton, that is) was a (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Homers24

    womanizer. And this has anything to do with Hillary Clinton how, again?

    Remember: Clinton lied, no-one died.

    Having an affair was bad. Lying about it under oath (let's face it - technicalities aside, he certainly misled under oath) was worse. But two problems arise with the constant GOP false-equivalence spin:

    First, what business was it of the Senate's in the first place? Having an affair, while morally reprehensible, does not constitute "High Crimes and Misdemeanours" by any stretch of the imagination. Frankly, who an elected official sleeps with only becomes the Senate's business when it gets in the way of them doing their jobs.

    Second, for all their frantic spin, the GOP can't point to one American killed by Clinton's inability to keep it his pants - let alone four thousand.

    As to their pathetic attempts to smear Mrs. Clinton - well, I seem to recall many people who worked in the White House at the time admitting that she was furious with Bill at the time, and her own memoir admits that it was a long and hard road back to the pair of them being happily married again.

    Frankly, any GoooOOoooPer who brings this up simply reeks of desperation.

    "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

    by Australian2 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:44:16 AM PST

  •  Not surprising. (1+ / 0-)
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    They try to solve their race problem by talking about the republicans passing the civil rights act 50 years ago. They live in the past because their vision for the future is unpalatable to the majority of the country.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:44:19 AM PST

  •  Plus, NO ONE (7+ / 0-)

    "took advantage" of Monica Lewinski.  She was an adult who deliberately set out to seduce the President.  I'm not excusing Bill Clinton for taking the bait, but I'm just a little tired of Monica being painted as some kind of innocent victim.  

    A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

    by PSzymeczek on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:44:42 AM PST

  •  Hillary is in charge of Bill's libido..... (4+ / 0-)


  •  Republicans seem to think... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...that the voting public actually cares about this. The only people who care are voting Republican anyway.

  •  This is the BEST they can come up with? (4+ / 0-)
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    Hillary 2016 will be a landslide.

    Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

    by bull8807 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:45:24 AM PST

  •  You've provided debate points Hillary could use (5+ / 0-)

    Really, I think Hillary Clinton will be waiting for a question like the one Scarborough poses to come up in a public forum. It will be an ideal occasion to turn the attack around and bring up the Violence Against Women Act and the Family and Medical Leave Act, and what Republicans are now doing to block or weaken them.

  •  "War on Women" gives Republicans the offense (1+ / 0-)
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    They can argue against the term "war" because it's an exaggeration.

    What they're really doing is they are keeping women from being equal to men in as many ways as they can get away with.  It's only a "fight" if women dare to fight back.

    They perceive women as a threat to Christian values - "Family" requires specific roles for women.  Men can change their roles but women cannot.

    West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

    by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:47:05 AM PST

  •  Yes, let's talk about women under Clinton (2+ / 0-)
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    You know, when the economy was good, we had a surplus and low unemployment. I am sure we could make some very interesting comparisons to how women fared during the Clinton years and contrast that with how they fared during the following GOP administration, not to mention after the election of all those Teabaggers with their laser focus on job creation (which somehow happens when you force women to undergo unnecessary medical procedures).

    As for Monica having been "taken advantage" of by President Clinton, as my people say, "Mary, please!" She was hardly the victim of sexual harassment or coercion. IIRC she flashed her thong at him first. That doesn't make what Clinton did ok - and I still insist to this day he should have resigned as soon as the impeachment trial was over, we would never have had Bush II and possibly could have averted 9/11 - but he was hardly pulling a Clarence Thomas.

    A government that denies gay men the right to bridal registry is a fascist state - Margaret Cho

    by CPT Doom on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:48:05 AM PST

  •  bill clinton had an affair? (2+ / 0-)
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    Radiowalla, Powell

    nazies are annoying

    by Krush on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:50:26 AM PST

  •  It's nobody's business (4+ / 0-)
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    but the Clinton's.  This happened to them and they will have to deal with it, as a couple, for the rest of their lives. Chelsea will have to deal with it, as their daughter, for the rest of her life.  

    I agreed with a commenter above - they are desperate.  Nothing else is working for them, so let's talk Clinton's indiscretion again, and again, and again.  

    As has been stated, it happened 20 years ago (by 2016) and voters aged 18-40 could give a damn about a blow job.  I think they might care more about being taken to war, though.  I think they might care more about having affordable insurance.  I think they might care more about jobs.  I think they might care more about wages.  I think women care more about having complete control over their bodies.

    If you acknowledge it, you can change it.

    by Raggedy Ann on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:53:31 AM PST

  •  Looks like I am going to continue to repeat myself (8+ / 0-)

    a lot between now and election day. Every time a Republican speaks about women a Democrat earns votes. Never stop your enemy from making a mistake. I hope they never shut up.

    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

    by bywaterbob on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:54:51 AM PST

  •  Libertarian Paul finally finds a law he likes; (3+ / 0-)
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    the one we can hang Bill Clinton with. Natch.

    Christie: "I'm going to find the real bullies!"

    by Inland on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:57:31 AM PST

  •  Damn right the Rethugs are scared! (3+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Powell, Amber6541

    Because they've got nuthin' - NOTHING!  And they know it.

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 09:58:27 AM PST

  •  AND he didn't get the info right (6+ / 0-)

    Monica Lewinsky was 22 and a paid staff member at the time of the 'affair'.  

  •  Interesting observations... (4+ / 0-)
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    MarysDress, TofG, Powell, sukeyna

    ....from Aqua Buddha, the kidnap-bondage king of Baylor University.

    Monica Lewinski was of legal age, it was consensual, and the only crime with any of it was stupidity.

    It says something about the campus culture that the woman didn't sue Paul's ass off (I'm sure the local Texas law enforcement would have ignored it).

    •  Consensual my ass (1+ / 0-)
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      You put any starstruck 22 year old up against a smooth-talking, Rhodes Scholar President of the United States  about anything, not just sex, and tell me he or she would have an easy time turning him down.

      That being said, this IS sex, and it's quid pro quo with a vengeance.  The implied bargain is:  "You want to keep working here, in the center of the universe, for the most important man in the world -- a job millions would die for?"  You'll rationalize your panties off.

      •  you can take that reasoning pretty far (1+ / 0-)
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        Dr Swig Mcjigger

        eventually nobody has to take any responsibility for anything they do.

        I think that a 22 year old woman (or man for that matter) can decide for themselves who they want to have sex with. Did Bill Clinton have relations with every female intern in the White House? (there must have been many others, right?) or just Lewinsky? to our knowledge it was just her - it was her decision. Personally I don't really blame her or think at all badly about her for it - people are far too judgmental - but to claim that it's not consensual just because she was 22 and he was powerful? ... I just don't buy that.

  •  Bill's behavior must somehow be Hillary's fault (4+ / 0-)

    I mean a wife is suppose to happily submit to her husbands wishes and keep him interested soin' he won't be'a straying and gettin' drawn into sin and such....or maybe she should have gotten rid of those pants, put on a skirt and stop tryin' to be her husbands equal.....everyone should know that's wrong headed sin.

  •  This has sprung up so suddenly, you'd think (3+ / 0-)
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    it was a talking point or something. But Republicans would never do that! Their moral outrage is genuine.


    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:04:16 AM PST

  •  Oh, for crying out loud, I remember (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Powell

    the New Hampshire primary in 2008 when the sexist crap being flung at Hillary made me say "I don't support her, but would vote for her in that primary because this shit is unacceptable"  yeah, not a reason to vote for someone, but I was really angry.   I would still like a choice-this inevitability stuff is undemocratic, but please, proceed GOP.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:04:28 AM PST

  •  Wives Now Assume Husbands Misdeeds (5+ / 0-)

    Do Republicans really think this is the way win over women voters !!!!!

  •  Boy, looks like we REALLY got under their skin! (8+ / 0-)

    This war on women thing really seems to be bothering them. Especially if they have to go all the way back to the Clinton years to find something to attack us with. And I don't think they want to get into a debate about who cheats on their wives more. The list of republican adulterers goes out the door.

  •  How is an affair with a woman (5+ / 0-)

    the same as the war against women? I reject the premise that Bill Clinton's affair was in any way anti-woman. The only victim really is Hillary herself. They really aren't going to try to say that Monica was coerced or harassed are they. Why is the media even buying this narrative?

  •  You had your shot... (4+ / 0-)

    ...when you impeached Bill Clinton.  You lost, losers.

    You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

    by varro on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:11:12 AM PST

  •  Let them try and sure to blow up in their faces.. (2+ / 0-)
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    Could they really be that stooopid..? Short answer = YES

    "Round up the usual suspects"

    by NanaoKnows on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:11:40 AM PST

  •  What planet was he on? (3+ / 0-)

    "And I think really the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this." I recall a day when CNN cut away from their regular news to bring "breaking news" - Plato Catcheris (I think that was his name) was seen walking outside the courthouse!

  •  It's fair game (1+ / 0-)
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    just not good game planning.
    I would like to ask Hillary why she felt she had to disparage the women who accused Bill. i just want to do so in the Primary.
    She did basically call Jennifer Flowers a golddigger. Not that she was wrong, but Bill did bang her, several times. And he banged others, to the point of comedy it was so well known. But there is Hillary, our strong woman, calling them all liars. I got my doubts about a Hillary presidency. but once it gets to General Election time, the argument will be too old to entertain.

  •  Stupid is as stupid does. (3+ / 0-)
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    Given the persistent vegetative state of the economy and the rocky rollout of Obamacare with who knows how many surprises to follow, the GOP doesn't need to do much to take back the White House in 2016:

    1.  Be non-frightening.
    2.  Do something - anything - even something that goes down to defeat - to indicate that they know non-millionaires and billionaires both exist and matter.

    There is no incumbent running in 2016.
    We will have gone through the 8 years that parties seem able to hold on to the White House in the term-limited era.  Hillary will be a 69 year old more of the same candidate in 2016. Younger fresher democrats have already pinned a target to her back.

    Why in God's name, would anybody think it makes sense to attack

    1. A woman who was the victim, not perpetrator, of the indiscretions mentioned
    2. A woman who is admired by many
    3. A woman who is presently a private citizen and, love her or loathe her, has put in a lifetime of service to her country?

    It sure as hell doesn't make them sympathetic.
    It doesn't inspire confidence that Republicans are able to sort out priorities.

    It's just plain mean and stupid.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:15:11 AM PST

  •  No go, Joe. (4+ / 0-)

    > " does seem to be a fair question to ask right now a few years out, does the media have a responsibility to say..."

    No. They don't. It's a cheap distraction from the very real idea that the GOP actively pursues anti-woman policies, and a weak and transparent attempt to nullify gender as a topic in an upcoming election where the most likely opposition candidate is female.

    Crap like this is why I don't watch Morning Joe.

    > And I think really the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this.

    What a joke. Paul must have been stoned watching Pinky and The Brain re-runs, to have missed all the media hype and coverage of that.

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    by grape crush on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:16:58 AM PST

  •  I don't get this so much (2+ / 0-)
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    that my head hurts. I mean, nothing about this rhetorical angle approaches sense. First off, since Lewinsky, it seems fairly clear that the Clintons have moved on and seem to have been able to put it behind them and possibly gotten stronger. I say 'seem' and 'possibly' because nobody truly knows what goes on in a marriage except the participants.

    But how that event remotely plays out against the decidedly misogynistic policies the Republican party has attempted to enact from the state to the national level... I can usually follow a line of political logic but this one has me flummoxed.

    •  It does make Bizzaro World (1+ / 0-)
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      > "But how that event remotely plays out against the decidedly misogynistic policies..."

      Easy. You have to go back to what Huckabee said the other day:

      "If the Democrats want to insult women by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it," he said. "Let us take this discussion all across America because women are far more than the Democrats have played them to be."
      The point they're trying to make here is that Dems are the ones who are really misogynist, as evidenced by Bill Clinton's seduction of a supposedly helpless female intern. Hillary, because she stuck around her husband was an enabler of that misogyny...therefore, Dems as a group are being hypocrites when they point out GOPers who say things like women should be forced to have babies because abortion robs men.

      It's all crap, of course, but so is most of what comes out of the right wing's nether regions. Kinda like how we're the racists for pointing out conservative-sponsored laws that disenfranchise voters.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:36:51 AM PST

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  •  No suggesting here. (1+ / 0-)
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    Scarborough is a misogynist, Florida's flim flam.

    If my life was really that important someone would have made it into a musical by now.

    by glb3 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:18:38 AM PST

  •  This was almost 20yrs ago--wasn't it? (2+ / 0-)
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    Of course, the republicans would rather talk about something this long ago, than their their current list of failures as a political party.

    Do they realize how much of their time they have devoted to something almost twenty years old, that was a profoundly personal issue---and not a reflection on the presidency?

    President Clinton was elected and re-elected, and he will be remembered as a tremendously popular US President.

    And boy, does that gall them.

    Why would they choose to talk current events, when their current record is abysmal, when they can rake up a scandal nearly 20yrs old?

    Is there anything about a nearly 20yr old situation that will address any of our current problems, as a country?

    If not, then let's move forward and solve the current issues facing us.

    History is all that lies behind us, the future is ahead of us, and it's "there" where we should be putting the emphasis.

    Not on someone's personal life from almost---now---20yrs ago.

    We face a lot of issues as a country, and the focus needs to be on "now" not mud-slinging from something decades old.

    "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:19:14 AM PST

  •  Because the wife, who was the one victimized the (2+ / 0-)
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    most by the affair, should be held responsible for it?  Wow, that's a sure-fire vote-getter from women who've been cheated on by their husbands and boyfriends!  It's right up there with "Women who don't dress like nuns deserve to be raped."  These idiots just don't get it, do they?

  •  If Bill's affair is fair game- (6+ / 0-)

    - then so is the affairs of everyone else who has ever run for nomination.  

    Oh man, I do hope she retorts with "Why don't you ask Newt Gingrich that question?"

    The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

    by catwho on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:20:04 AM PST

  •  A message from Hilary Clinton (8+ / 0-)

    When I got married, I made a vow to stay together until death do us part, and so help me I will respect that vow.  It hasn't always been easy, of course.   My marriage has been through some tough times.  Maybe yours has, too.  Times you feel like you just gotta leave.  Or you've just had enough and you wanna kick your husband out.  Or it isn't fair that you do all the heavy lifting in keeping things alive.  Or maybe you can't stand the way people talk about you, sometimes to your face.  You wonder what the kids might think.  What your parents would say.  

    I've been there.  And at the darkest hour, I looked deep into my soul and I consulted my faith. And I realized something: unlike millions of women in this country, my life was never in danger, my health was never in danger.  I wasn't trapped by an underpaid salary. I wasn't trapped by community stigma.  So I found the courage to decide to stay and make it work.  And that's what we've done.  We've made it work. We're still together, and we're stronger than ever.  He stands beside me, as I stand beside you, now and for the next four years.    

    Nobody deserves poverty.

    by nominalize on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:22:37 AM PST

  •  How DARE she embrace the sanctity of marriage! (12+ / 0-) sticking with her husband, patching things up, and moving on as a team.

    Marriage is a disposable institution.  Just ask Newt Gingrich.  Or Joe Walsh.  Or Rush Limbaugh.  Or Ronald Reagan (the only divorced person to hold the presidency).

    Hillary stayed in her marriage.  She is clearly unfit for public office.


  •  This is a great strategy (5+ / 0-)
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    ...for Hillary, anyway. It will explode in the Republicans' faces like a trick cigar if they actually try to fire it up. What female voter (other than a dedicated tea-bagger) wouldn't say to this ploy "Wait,'re blaming her because her husband had an affair?"

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho

    by DocDawg on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:28:33 AM PST

  •  What drivel. (2+ / 0-)
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    How in the world can the GOP tag Hillary with the foolish and stupid thing her husband did?  

    By their "reasoning," they are continuing their unwarranted and ill-conceived attack on women big time.  

    Let's get to a candidates philosophy, their policies, and their record.  That is what Americans want to have debated.  Not something her husband did, that unfairly  brands her.  

    Here, again, it is no one elses business why she stayed with him, but hers.  Just as it is not someone elses business why a decision for an abortion, a decision to take contraceptives, a decision to marry or not, belongs to anyone but yourself.  These are personal and private decisions.

    Why the GOP cries about getting government out of peoples lives on one side of their mouth, but advocates just the opposite on the other makes them ridiculous and not deserving of any office.  

  •  Pretty sad. (0+ / 0-)

    Also ... that is one terrible picture.

  •  Blame parents for the misdeeds of their kids? (2+ / 0-)
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    If we start blaming a woman for the faulty zipper on the husband's pants, shouldn't we blame politicians who are parents for their adult children's drug and auto misdeeds? I don't think the GOP or DEMs want to go there, but it is a logical extension. Course, the GOP lacks logic and extension. Like where are the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS?

  •  I said at the time that Dems should have (1+ / 0-)
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    pressured Bill to leave office-

    yeah, we'd probably not had Clinton available to us as he was in 2012

    But... an incumbent Pres. Gore would not have lost to Bush (and would not have picked Lieberman as his running mate)

    We wouldn't have had the Iraq war, etc.

    What Bill did really was f'd up

  •  Wow. BJs and BGs (benghazi) is all they have. (2+ / 0-)
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    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:53:39 AM PST

  •  Joe's intern is dead. So Monica is lucky. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 10:55:46 AM PST

    •  I get what (0+ / 0-)

      your trying to say, but ewww...
      Monica isn't by any stretch of the imagination lucky.  None of this is Hillary's problem and it's pretty silly to rehash it all; however, what Bill did was terrible.  And I'm not talking about receiving a bj in the oval office.  I'm talking about the whisper campaign that his lawyer started about Lewinsky insinuating she was nuts.  If she hadn't saved the dress, that whisper campaign might have worked.  

  •  Oh, pleeeeez! Let them GO THERE! (0+ / 0-)

    They still haven't pissed off EVERY woman in the country.

  •  don't feed the swiftboat monster on this one (0+ / 0-)

    ignore the junk-politics GOP
    there will be plenty of real issues that will be challenged
    which will require plenty of offensive and defense political strategies

    As food shortages begin to dictate geopolitical strategies, Ukraine, as the third-largest grain exporter in the world, will be a hot spot.

    by anyname on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:02:36 AM PST

  •  Republicans are great (0+ / 0-)

    at turning logic on its head.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:06:27 AM PST

  •  Gave Him A Pass!?!!?!! (1+ / 0-)
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    Haha! Did Rand Paul really just say the media gave Bill Clinton a pass for Monica Lewinsky? That happened nearly 20 years ago and people are still talking about it. At the time it was all anyone talked about. For a very long time. The idea that he was given a pass is insane.

    To talk about it in the context of Hillary Clinton in 2016 is absolutely bonkers.

    Please proceed Republicans.

  •  The Republicans Never Learn (0+ / 0-)

    Attacking and trying to impeach President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair turned out to be the biggest political disaster the Republicans tried to pull off during the Clinton Presidency. I sat right there and watched it myself because even the mainstream news media were helping the Republicans screaming to the high heavens that this was a major scandal and should result in Clinton's impeachment.

    And they had at least one valid point. The charge was actually President Clinton lying under oath and they had him dead to rights on that one. He did lie under oath.

    But a funny thing happened on the road to impeachment. And that was that the closer the Republicans came to actually impeaching President Clinton and removing him from office the more his approval rating increased. And by the time the House actually passed the articles of impeachment and sent it to the  Senate President Clinton's approval rating was around 75%. And even the Republicans in the Senate at that time at least weren't crazy enough to go up against overwhelming public opinion like that so they chickened out and left the Republicans in the House holding the bag and taking the blame.

    And now the conservative/Republican/Tea Party extremists want to repeat that disaster? Well I say go for it you hopelessly blind fools.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:07:36 AM PST

    •  The Republicans had been hunting him down (2+ / 0-)
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      since his first moments on the national stage.

      If anyone has the stomach for reliving this travesty, please read  "The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton" by Gene Lyons and Joe Conason.

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:12:44 AM PST

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      •  Thank You (1+ / 0-)
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        for providing me with a source I was not aware of. But it is something I have seen with my own eyes and have greatly admired the Clintons for even surviving let alone thriving through.

        And what makes this even more stupid is that Hillary Clinton actually ended the terrible tendency in this country of competent and caring politicians having their careers ended by simply being caught having an extra marital affair. That had become the new norm prior to their campaign and Bill Clinton went into that campaign with a tun of that baggage which should have automatically eliminated him.

        Which it would have if Hillary had not directly confronted that with the most memorable political statements I've ever heard. And that was when she said "Yes I am very much aware of the allegations of my husband's infidelity. And we have worked through that. And its no longer a problem for me but if it is for you, then heck don't vote for him." And ever since then sex has been taken away as a single cheap shot means of ending political careers.

        Collect Different Days

        by Homers24 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:43:04 AM PST

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  •  Media Gave Clinton A Free Pass? (0+ / 0-)

    Did the late 90s coincide with the Rand Paul bong era? The media discussed every angle of the Lewinsky affair from every angle. The country processed it and has long ago moved on. That Paul thinks he has uncovered a different way to attack the Clinton's on this shows that he has no sense of how unoriginal his fresh thinking is.

  •  Because no Republican male ever cheats. (1+ / 0-)
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    Bottom feeders.  

    What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

    by FrankenPC on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:09:51 AM PST

  •  Rand Paul lies. (0+ / 0-)

    Of course he lies.

    "He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old...."
    Monica was born July 23, 1973. The sex with Bill started in November, 1995.

    So, she was 22. Legally an adult, not a minor.

    Lying is everything to this little (*&^$%^&$%^&.

    Imagine Rand Paul giving this speech. Selling the system they use to sell their lies, arguably why they lie -- The Medium Is the Message.

    Of course they can lie to us. They are "Eagles." They deserve to lie to us.

    (More accurately, sociopaths. It takes sociopaths to run this thing.)

    "I hesitate to agree with Ted Nugent...."

    by waterstreet2013 on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:21:07 AM PST

  •  Dragging that old dishrag out again (0+ / 0-)

    Talk about your worn down, hackneyed desperate attempt to finding something  to stick nonsense, this takes the cake.  The best part is that the President "took advantage of this poor little intern." I hope Monica Lewinsky doesn't decide to teach them some respect, sadly missing in using her this way. Just shows desperation.
    Is that all you got GOP?

    Peggy Reskin

    by preskin on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 11:24:32 AM PST

  •  This is all they have. (0+ / 0-)

    For his next trick Rand will stop a tank in it's tracks with a BB gun.

    Hey Rocky watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!


    Nothing and I mean nothing up my sleeve PRESTO!

  •  ONLY 100,000 Iraqis died? (0+ / 0-)

    Is that the "official number"? In 2006 epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins estimated that deaths in the Iraqi civilian population 2002-2006 attributable to the war were in the neighborhood of 650,000+ ( That number was greeted with horror by the Bush administration and was soon disappeared by the media, so to speak.

    We don't even know how many Americans died since casualty figures are for military and civilian U.S. personnel; there were (still are) hundreds of thousands of "contractors", and you can't find credible information anywhere about how many of them died. The "official" figure is 257, to which my response is, "if you say so."

    Not to mention the decimation of the once-vibrant Christian community in Iraq, over 1,500,000 in 2003 and now estimated to be around 450,000.

    I know this is not the point of this discussion but just to bring it home, Mrs. Clinton voted for that war.

    •  "Mrs. Clinton voted for that war..." (2+ / 0-)
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      So did Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards, and we made them our candidates for President and Vice-President. So did Mr. Biden, and we made him Vice-President.

    •  The majority of politicians were lied to about (0+ / 0-)

      Iraq by our then "leader" GW Bush. He included a lot of "facts" in his justification for war that we later found out were completely false.. He failed as president, just as he has everything else in his life, and was desperate to find something to force the American citizens to support him. Then 9/11 happened, which was the best day in GW's life, and he snatched that opportunity and sucked everything he could get out of it. What better way is there to gain the full support of American citizens than to create a common hatred that we can all share?

  •  More Republican Suicide (1+ / 0-)
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    Nobody cares about Clinton's affair with Lewinsky. Nobody. Even the few remaining Republicans who would mention it don't actually care.

    All this will do is piss off people who don't care, or who care about bringing up something so stupid. Especially women who care that Lewinsky is being used to further embarrass Hillary 20 years later. Some of whom would otherwise have voted Republicans.

    No wonder Hillary is smiling.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Jan 27, 2014 at 12:55:57 PM PST

  •  Let's all thank little Randy (0+ / 0-)

    for reminding us that Republican men are, for the most part, jerked-up Neanderthals, overwrought with feelings of sexual inadequacy and a 'neener-neener' hypocrisy where women are concerned.

    "And I think really the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this. He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office."

    Really, Randy?

    Did he get that "pass" before — or after — the GOP's drooling 'impeachment' circus, with background strings provided by an equally drooling press... that lasted for fucking MONTHS?

    Is Randy referring to the sainted young delicate who bragged to her friend, "I'm going to the White House to get my presidential kneepads."?

    The sweet innocent who proclaimed, while being taped by the toxic Linda Tripp, "I was brought up with lies all the time... that's how you got along... I have lied my entire life."?

    That "young girl?"

    ... and all of this from a cross-wired dweeb and intellectual featherweight who's only gained attention from the world by drafting in his old man's toxic slipstream.

    Please... Oh, puh-leeeez... let him be the Republican nominee!!!

  •  Indeed, they will never learn. (2+ / 0-)
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    When Bill Clinton was running for the Presidency in 1992, it was no surprise to anybody that he had had affairs.  But, really, the clear majority of Americans didn't care.

    After he was elected, again the MSM, which ever disparaged him, took up the philanderer mantle, and again, most Americans did not care.

    In the wake of the 1994 Midterms that brought the GOP Congress to power, what was supposed to have signaled the end of Bill Clinton turned out to be instead a judgment on the extreme of the Political Right, and Bill Clinton's popularity soared.  Thus he won and an electoral vote landslide reelection in 1996, and he would have had a clear popular vote victory as well were it not for a certain third party candidate.

    By this time, the GOP, which had Ken Starr and his witch-hunters firmly in place, had nothing more on Bill Clinton except his having philandered.  Their impeachment efforts, led by a holier-than-thou acting beltway media, went bust, and Bill Clinton's party actually bested the GOP in the 1998 midterms--defying congressional precedent--and Clinton closed out his term with soaring popularity--higher than Ronald Reagan, at the peak of his own popularity--might ever have dreamed.

    So, frustrated beyond all measure, the GOP handlers and the MSM came up with the concept of "Clinton fatigue," which nobody outside of GOP right-wing circles and their friends in the MSM ever felt.  Poor candidate Al Gore fell victim to that concept, and in distancing himself from Bill Clinton, cost himself an outright victory, rather than a de facto one, in 2000.

    In the years following, Bill Clinton has remained the most popular living political figure literally on the planet, by way of work through his international CGI Conferences and Clinton Foundation.  Virtually every political leader, whatever their politics, desires to be in his presence.  Many have grown to love him, whatever their political differences.  One need only ask former First Lady Barbara Bush, who freely confesses how she has grown to love him, speaking on behalf of her husband and children as well.

    There is only remaining now the most intractable of the Clinton haters from the 1990s--and as most of Bill Clinton's former paramours still freely express affection for him, these are not among them.  Of course, that group now consists of the most vehemently Right Wing, such as the obvious plagiarist Rand Paul and his coterie among the MSM, which in sense also includes "Morning Joe"'s former Congressman, still trying to make legitimate his ridiculously illegitimate act--joining his beyond mad jealous fellow congressmen--in seeking to impeach President Clinton.  What that group has never learned is that history will forever tarnish them (and NOT President Clinton) for trying to usurp the will of the people and subvert the framers' whole concept of what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors."

    What Larry Flynt did prove in the latter 1990s was just how salacious were those holier-than-thou politicians and their kind in the beltway media.  So many among that group turned out to be not only philanderers and predators, but rather more egregiously so.  Thus did Bill Clinton's own past behavior,  when judged against these pompous fools, seem quite tame.

    Decades later, driven mad by their inability to "get" the Clintons, this now increasingly smaller group of Clinton haters has all too little to sustain them.  They live in a world all their own.  Rand Paul sits in judgment on Bill Clinton still, oblivious to his own very obvious acts of outright plagiarism.  And the nominal host of "Morning Joe" still cannot understand why a  "high crime" means nothing whatever to do with trying to cover up an affair.

    For these people, the world in which they act as our betters in judgment is not only perilously claustrophobic, but sadly now widely viewed as being an almost primitive anachronism.

    Let them go on living there.  Let them go on losing presidential elections, at least well into the next quarter century.  Because really, whether Right Wing politicos and MSM delusionaries, they are all but irrelevant to everybody else.

  •  Okay, so men lose their heads when offered head (1+ / 0-)
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    but that has nothing to do with Hillary. I would not want to be held responsible for my husband's short comings, although some accolades for not throttling him would be nice. NOTHING the GOP says can undo their recent war on women. When I was a young woman I did not think I needed the ERA to live my life and do as I please. I WAS WRONG! These jokers have made it clear that until the majority of them die off, they will continue to try to push for the reversal of the personal rights of women. They would take back the vote if they thought they could get by with it. Now I have to be quiet because I can't think of anything else nice to say.

  •  Oh my. (0+ / 0-)

    Apparently it never occurs to these dipshits that attacking Hillary Clinton about Lewinsky isn't going to convince women to vote republican. It will do exactly the opposite.

    May they reap what they sow.

  •  Notice that (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans call a 20 year old woman "a girl".

    It's 2014. Stop calling full grown women girls.

  •  Sounds like the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    are admitting that Benghazi isn't sticking to Hillary so they are looking for something else.  The problem is that digging up Monica Lewinsky makes Republicans even more stupid considering that it opens the door (pardon the expression) on a guy tap dancing in the Men's Room (aka Larry Craig), another guy named Vitter who was setting up time with prostitutes while at work, another guy named Gingrich who was having an affair while trying to get another guy fired for having an affair, and on and on and on.

  •  What's Good 4 da Goose isn't 4 da Gander? Really? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm a liberal Democrat.  That said, I won't take one party position on anything that doesn't pass the stink test.  The stink test is reversing the wording and players of a situation to see if 'the other side' does the exact same thing.  This above diary doesn't pass the test.

    A simple example -->  Recently Rachel Maddow spoke of Mike Huckabee's obnoxious libido comments, and she referred to him as failed Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.  I promise you that the next time Maddow refers to Hillary, she won't call her failed Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton.  

    Why?  Because in that scenario, whta's good for the goose isn't good for the gander when it crosses party lines.  Reason is thrown out the window if it effects our guy.  Or gal in this situation.

    The same thing happens several times in the above diary, no offense to the author.

    Again, we're talking about something that happened nearly 20 years ago.
    So there's a time limit on events which reveal a person's character?  I disagree, by asking myself if we Dems used an old story to attack the character of a Republican.

    Anybody remember the Shamus story?  A story that, to me, is all you needed to know about Romney to know his central character of being clueless and cruel.  I felt it was more important than his %47 comment because it revealed he was perfectly capable of a making a clueless and cruel %47 comment.

    That dog on the roof story happened 28 years before the election.  And it was a smart liberal talking point.  

    So out goes the time limit argument.

    Bill Clinton's actions were wrong! No one is defending them. (but) he is not a candidate for office.
    The First Lady (or in this case First Gentleman) is always a fellow candidate for office. Sure, they won't hold the same responsibilities, but we always look at the spouse to get another window into the character of the actual candidate.

    How many of us exploited Ann Romney's persona against Mitt?   Most of us.  If memory serves she had this cool maternal thing going on, and so many thought Ann was sort of Mitt's 'Mommy -- the mother behind the boy Presidential candidate.  I agree with this assessment, mind you, but there it is.  

    So out goes the 'spouse isn't the candidate' position.  

    And in doing so -- respectfully -- this diary entry is rendered weak because it reveals a double standard at its core.

    I go to these lengths in this comment to hammer home the notion that Hillary Clinton was indeed a failed Presidential Candidate and that she's a weaker candidate than people on our side are willing to own.  Our side really shouldn't invest much in her because I'd certain she won't survive the primary process again.

    Ask yourself this.  Suppose the minute Chelsea had left for college Hillary dumped Bill and they divorced.  Every last person in the country would have understood.  Suppose within four years Hillary married a really nice Democratic politico type.  Someone we all know and admired.  (I'm usually good at matchmaking scenarios but I'm having trouble putting finding that person off the top of my head.)

    So Hillary would run for President with a first Dude that was far more likable than Bill and his baggage.  Right?  That would be a good thing.  Right?  I mean, regarding Hillary's character?  That instead of pretending to be married to a serial cheater she had someone that was actually devoted exclusively to her?  Wound healed.

    In the way that such a scenario would make her character stronger in the eyes of a majority of Americans reveals how much weaker a candidate she is in her real life scenario with Bill still in the picture.

    Personally, I cannot forgive Bill for delivering a talking point to the Republicans that gave us eight years of George W. Bush. I also cannot forgive Hillary's entitled "It's my turn" comment... which she said only seven years ago.

    She's not a strong candidate.

  •  the most popular drama on network TV (0+ / 0-)

    is The Good Wife.

    Rand Paul thinks he can weaken HRC as a candidate by floating the philandering husband argument? He is miserably ignorant of how this theme has been playing out in pop culture over the past 5 years.  The show is savvy about working current events into the over-arcing story line. If Paul thinks he can make the "war on women" a negative issue for HRC, pass the popcorn. It will be fun to see how this show hurls it back at him.

  •  Respect for Women..... (1+ / 0-)
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    Any politician with an ounce of respect for himself would never use an affair by Hillary's husband twenty years ago to smear her ambitions.  

    If any politician had any respect for women in general they would vote for equal pay for women who do the same job.

    If any Republican had any respect for women there would be no opposition to birth control - as to insurance provisions and would keep the separation of Church and State to stay out of the fray - Birth control has been a part of insurance provisions for 50 years.

    And there would not be rouge governors making mandatory vaginal invasion with ultra sound if a woman choses to get a LEGAL ABORTION... I DON'T APPROVE OF ABORTION ... but I don't approve of their methods to deter it either.

  •  Who gives a sh*t!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

    The whole Bill Clinton affair BS was what initiated my detest for the Republicans. Personally, I don't care if our president is having an affair. That's not our business (which the Republicans sure love to spout about anything negative about themselves)! They sure don't have a problem with Rush Limbaugh's promiscuity & drug abuse. They see nothing wrong with Chris Christie blocking bridges & stealing money from those who don't support him. Yet Clinton getting a BJ almost 20 years ago is still an important issue to them.
    Hell, I think the Dems need to bring this back up to remind America how much time/tax dollars the Repubs wasted on trying to impeach a president for getting a BJ from someone who wasn't his wife. There was absolutely nothing about that "affair" that would have cost the American citizens more than a few nights at a DC hotel room. That's a hell of a lot less than the millions of dollars those "Conservatives" blew on trying to IMPEACH AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT FOR GETTING A BJ!

  •  Seriously?? (0+ / 0-)

    Not only did I live through the Whitewater, Troopergate and Monicagate "scandals", just this past week, funnily enough, I happened to read Joe Conason and Gene Lyons' book chronicling those events.  It's called "The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton".   Then I read ex-Conservative dirty trickster David Brock's "Blinded by the Right".  I highly recommend both to those still in diapers in the '90s but old enough now to vote.  Both books provide a fascinating look into the sex-crazed crowd known variously as Republicans, right wingers, the religious right, "conservatives", and Tea Partiers.  

    That said, Rand Paul would do well to have a long chat with Ken Starr and find out how a similar tactic worked for him.  Or DIDN'T.  Starr was the guy who spent several years and 80 MILLION (or thereabouts) of WE THE PEOPLE's money trying to get the Clintons thrown out of the White House, but in the end only managed to prove that Bill got a few extramarital blow jobs from a perky WH intern.  Oh, and that the Republican Party didn't (and still doesn't) "get" that the majority of the American public (as well as the rest of the civilized world) doesn't believe a president's peccadilloes were impeachable offenses.  

    On second thought, ol' Rand isn't known for using common sense, so forget the chat with Starr.  So go ahead, Sen. Paul.  Reach into that bottomless pit of dirty tricks and attack Hillary.  Knock yourself out.  But don't whine when the backlash THIS time around makes the Hillary Bashing of the '90s look like a Sunday School picnic.


    Bill Clinton made love, not war.  It's the 60s sexual envy thing that the uptight, repressed "conservatives" can't get over.

  •  This is approximately the same equivalency (0+ / 0-)

    as the Christie affair compared to Benghazi.

    These folks wouldn't have survived my high school debate team for 10 seconds, with that kind of flawed logic!

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