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FBI and NSA have built the core "1984" machine that grants The Party totalitarian dominance. This is not fiction. The FBI-NSA machine breaks privacy; it defeats all personal security. Considered tactically, XKeyscore's data piracy crawlers go everywhere and support just about anything.

Without Edward Snowden these machines would have remained hidden.

Going forward a public discussion has emerged. We begin to see things. The information in the FBI-NSA system can be used for inductrial espionage, to sabotage companies, to carry out multimillion dollar crimes, to dump personal information through "soft" leaks, to drive blackmail, or to carry out assassinations.

Most likely, all of the above.

Snowden is the expert and here is his take on where we stand. Start here:
Page One of NDR's Snowden Interview - 24-January-2014.

It won't take long for the sociopaths and psychopaths in our American empire to focus in on these data. FBI collects domestic data and copies it along the way for multiple uses. We know that as fact. Anonymous grabbed part of this data stream off a FBI Special Agent's laptop and found personal information on 12 million people. Assume the worst.

What we owe Snowden, if nothing else, is getting a chance to stop this thing.

He gave an interview to Hubert Seipel of NDR that played on ADR public television in Germany. Access to the video from outside German is blocked. One reason: Snowden explains where the Obama Administration's public statements construct lies.

Transcript is sampled below the orange muffin:

Here's the start of it. You get Snowden's words that he is not afraid. Of course he is afraid. Anyone would be afraid.

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The core of the interview gives the breadth of what FBI-NSA are doing. Please, take the trouble and read the seven computer pages of it:

Mr. Snowden did you sleep well the last couple of nights because I was reading that you asked for a kind of police protection. Are there any threats?

There are significant threats but I sleep very well. There was an article that came out in an online outlet called Buzz Feed where they interviewed officials from the Pentagon, from the National Security Agency and they gave them anonymity to be able to say what they want and what they told the reporter was that they wanted to murder me. These individuals - and these are acting government officials. They said they would be happy, they would love to put a bullet in my head, to poison me as I was returning from the grocery store and have me die in the shower.

But fortunately you are still alive with us.

Right but I'm still alive and I don't lose sleep because I’ve done what I feel I needed to do. It was the right thing to do and I’m not going to be afraid.

"The greatest fear I have", and I quote you, "regarding the disclosures is nothing will change." That was one of your greatest concerns at the time but in the meantime there is a vivid discussion about the situation with the NSA; not only in America but also in Germany and in Brazil and President Obama was forced to go public and to justify what the NSA was doing on legal grounds.

What we saw initially in response to the revelations was sort of a circling of the wagons of government around the National Security Agency. Instead of circling around the public and protecting their rights the political class circled around the security state and protected their rights. What’s interesting is though that was the initially response, since then we’ve seen a softening. We’ve seen the President acknowledge that when he first said "we’ve drawn the right balance, there are no abuses", we’ve seen him and his officials admit that there have been abuses. There have been thousands of violations of the National Security Agency and other agencies and authorities every single year.

Is the speech of Obama the beginning of a serious regulation?

It was clear from the President’s speech that he wanted to make minor changes to preserve authorities that we don’t need. The President created a review board from officials that were personal friends, from national security insiders, former Deputy of the CIA, people who had every incentive to be soft on these programs and to see them in the best possible light. But what they found was that these programs have no value, they’ve never stopped a terrorist attack in the United States and they have marginal utility at best for other things. The only thing that the Section 215 phone metadata program, actually it’s a broader metadata programme of bulk collection – bulk collection means mass surveillance – program was in stopping or detecting $ 8,500 wire transfer from a cab driver in California and it’s this kind of review where insiders go we don’t need these programs, these programs don’t make us safe. They take a tremendous amount of resources to run and they offer us no value. They go "we can modify these". The National Security agency operates under the President’s executive authority alone. He can end or modify or direct a change of their policies at any time.

Take it in: these systems "take a tremendous amount of resources to run and they offer us no value."

The bureaucracy has colonized these functions. They have not produced any useable product. They have given life to an extraordinary Frankenstein's Monster. Lord knows how many billions and billions of dollars are going into these systems every month?

Please read it all. If you can, carefully. Protecting our civilization might depend on your understanding if only in some small, insignificant way.

Originally posted to waterstreet2013 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 06:20 AM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Yes and to a Great Extent the Pentagon Fits the (8+ / 0-)

    same description.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:12:20 PM PST

    •  Pretty much. (4+ / 0-)
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      koNko, corvo, lotlizard, JVolvo

      Athens beat the Persians decisively at Marathon, but with more impact at the naval battle at Salamis in 480 BC. The other city states contributed at one place or another of course.

      This led to exaggerated self-image among the Athenians. Finally, Pericles got Athens into a war with Sparta for no particular reason. They lost disastrously.

      America saw little but success during WW II. Everybody else took grave damage.

      Now we have a self-image that insists on a gigantic military establishment. But no nation-states for enemies. Nobody to fight.

      Maybe we could declare war on the Moon.

      "I hesitate to agree with Ted Nugent...."

      by waterstreet2013 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 08:30:25 PM PST

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  •  Something I cannot grok about the Cescas and (7+ / 0-)

    Charles Johnsons and Joy Reids and all these people: put every last thing about Snowden and Greenwald that they hate ASIDE - how do they begin to justify the BILLIONS in taxpayer dollars wasted on NSA? I will never get this.

    Not to mention that iare almost assuredly people using those billions to enrich themselves, and/or carry out the ugliest of secret operations who knows where. Greenwald and Snowden hate are more important than THAT?

    •  You almost answered your own question. What value (9+ / 0-)

      do people see in the practice of collecting data and metadata? What is the collection itself worth?  What is the value proposition of the NSA?

      If you believe that the program's mission is no more than the official one, counterterrorism, then it might seem like a big waste. No successes. (Though someone recently told me that a major plot involving passenger air travel was foiled in August 2006. It sounds plausible because I remember the day. I happened to be in Washington DC and I had air travel out of Reagan National. The news said something had been uncovered in London and passengers wouldn't be allowed to carry liquids onboard transatlantic flights.  The prohibition was extended to all flights taking off in the US by the time I reached the airport and the ban is still in effect to this day except for the travel quantities that are too small to be dangerous.  As if there was anything to stop two passengers travelling together with their own little containers from combining them a little while later.

      I don't believe that the program's intent is what was stated because its practices aren't consistent with that.
      Specifically, there are agreements between the EU and the US to cooperate with each other by exchanging data about suspected terrorists and other bad guys.  If the US wanted anything along those lines, it hardly even has to ask. The door is open. So why would the US go ahead and do a full take of all information pertaining to 509 million European citizens? That's a different mission than the one used as a cover.

      Power is priceless.

      There is no existence without doubt.

      by Mark Lippman on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 02:25:11 AM PST

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    •  Why ??? To build the engine for "1984." (5+ / 0-)
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      radarlady, corvo, unfangus, lotlizard, JVolvo

      This is a system for totalitarianism.

      All Hitler had was radio and movies. Television was invented, but nobody had one.

      This goddxmn thing is as bad as having the televisions watch us.

      "I hesitate to agree with Ted Nugent...."

      by waterstreet2013 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:39:04 AM PST

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    •  Power for the NSA and Profit for their Contractors (6+ / 0-)

      Never forget those billions. It's easy money to get, if a company has the right insider contacts (i.e., tap all one's Cold War friends) and there are no requirements to actually produce results. Just take the dollars, buy a lot of computer hardware, and shriek "National Security" if anyone wants to know what's been done.

      Lather, rinse, and repeat all the way to retirement in the Bahamas.

      Radarlady, very tired of the cold in DC

  •  We must destroy IT before IT destroys US. (2+ / 0-)
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    waterstreet2013, JVolvo

    Get out your sledgehammers people ...


    •  You'd appreciate Spielberg's "Artificial (2+ / 0-)
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      JVolvo, The Jester


      The symbolism is Kabbalah through and through. Worth researching the connections prior to watching the movie.

      And there was an online game based on it. Sean Stewart, a favorite writer, got involved doing the game and commentaries.

      Yeah, IT gets us. Sorta. And then in the "AI" movie the IT become real-world angels after centuries and mankind self-destructing.

      Humans have become a mystery.

      (There's a scene of New York destroyed. With the WTC Towers still as they were before 9/11, just wrecked by time and water. The science of water level is backward, too. Came out 2001 in the summer.)

      "I hesitate to agree with Ted Nugent...."

      by waterstreet2013 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 10:48:25 AM PST

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