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House Speaker John Boehner, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, and Majority Leader Eric Cantor stand in front of a white flag of surrender
TPM's Sahil Kapur says Republicans aren't planning another round of debt limit brinksmanship, because:
Republican lawmakers and top aides surveyed by TPM this week showed little or no confidence that they can win such a battle. Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) realizes he probably cannot secure enough votes to pass any debt limit bill out of the House with policy conditions attached. And if by some miracle he does, he'll then have to deal with a Democratic-led Senate and White House who are refusing to negotiate over the issue, and used the same stance to force the GOP to pass two debt limit extensions last year without any policy reforms.
There's no doubt that Republicans will eventually have to accept the reality that they need to raise the debt limit, the only question is how long it will take them and whether or not they will raise a fuss. According to Kapur's reporting, it doesn't sound like Republicans believe it's worth putting up much of a fight, but at the same time, they don't seem particularly eager to directly say so in public.

Earlier this week, House Speaker John Boehner said he believes the debt limit will be raised, but while his remarks seem like they were intended to stave off a debt limit conflict, he didn't actually acknowledge that Republicans will have to raise the debt limit without demanding a ransom. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell began the week making noise about a debt limit standoff as did House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, but McConnell is irrelevant and Ryan seems to be softening his tune, albeit without explicitly conceding the inevitable.

Whatever ends up happening, Congress is already dragging its feet. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew says that Treasury's ability to use extraordinary measures to avoid default will expire towards the end of February, which means Congress's failure to act has already pushed the country to within a few weeks of default. Everything will probably turn out okay, but anyone who gives Republicans credit for being responsible on the debt limit should should reconsider their thoughts, because there's absolutely no good reason for there to be even the slightest bit of uncertainty.

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Comment Preferences

  •  This is what winning looks like (17+ / 0-)

    This will eat them alive from the inside out.

    As the losses keep piling up on them (and they will continue to do so), the internal pressures will increase, and the infighting will get progressively more vicious as they turn on eachother more and more.  This is otherwise known as a "Death Spiral".

    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

    by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:33:40 AM PST

    •  Get out the Litmus Paper. (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      TofG, TomP, TheLizardKing, daeros
    •  You are absolutely right (2+ / 0-)
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      daeros, Palafox

      Yes. This is a good thing. Republicans caving. FINALLY. On this one very important issue.

      So...what's next? How do the Dems and Obama use this? Will they water down the NEXT important legislative policy issue? Will they push harder for progressive interests? Do we get that minimum wage raise? UI? Job training? Economic stimulus? Actual economic policies that will WORK instead of growing the 1% Pile?

      ha ha

      Sure we will. Why, this is the TURNING POINT! Obama lashes back! Dems actually shove bills down GOP's throat! Liberals save the nation!

      sigh

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:50:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What an amazing talent you have! (2+ / 0-)
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        Fiona West, KJB Oregon

        You take undisputably good news and turn it into an Obama bash! Bravo!

        Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

        by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:10:18 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm sorry I'm siding with the Cynic on this one (1+ / 0-)
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          Palafox

          I'm usually with the Idealist but i'm out for blood. especially after obummers attempted coup d'tat with the fast track authority.

          http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

          by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:24:42 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  "Obummer"???? How creative! (3+ / 0-)
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            Matt Z, Sharon Wraight, highpckts

            Learn that at Free Republic or something?

            Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

            by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:31:06 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Did you actually just accuse me of being a freeper (0+ / 0-)

              Lol.

              I read their bullshit droll but we're not friends either.

              You know I'm  a Party Dem, Let me make this clear: the Democratic Party is not synonomous with Barack Obama. We are -NOT- a monolith.

              You want Solidarity from me mr Obama Bot?

              you want me to "Stand with the president" tell him to ABANDON the fast track authority shelf the  Transpacific partnership and accept that from now to 3500000 years from now at at EVERY point between for EVERY SECOND and t hen after that onto INFINITY to the HIGHEST power not only do they got the the TPP but EVERY IDEA in it  and behind it no matter WHAT name it goes by is REJECTED PERMANENTLY get him to press for an amendment making EVERYTHING they PUT in that bill unconstitutional.

              Not now. not ever. Not if you lay low for awhile. FOREVER REJECTED Regardless of ON  AN ELECTION year or OFF or if  no ones looking or if EVERYONE is and PASS NETWORK neutrality.

              http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

              by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:37:52 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  He is a Traitor to democrats. (0+ / 0-)

              Kill this bill tear it apart and make sure no idea in it is EVER spoken of on the floor of congress again

              http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

              by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45:59 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  "TRAITOR!!!" (1+ / 0-)
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                Sharon Wraight

                LOL! Sounding more and more unhinged there, pal.

                Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:57:12 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Lol. (0+ / 0-)

                  http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                  by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:58:48 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  ridicule won't work here. I DOUBLE DOWN. (0+ / 0-)

                  APPEAL TO RIDICULE
                  reductio ad ridiculum

                  (also known as: appeal to mockery, the horse laugh)

                  Description: Presenting the argument in such a way that makes the argument look ridiculous, usually by misrepresenting the argument or the use of exaggeration.

                  Logical Form:

                  Person 1 claims that X is true.
                  Person 2 makes X look ridiculous, by misrepresenting X.
                  Therefore, X is false.
                  Example #1:

                  It takes faith to believe in God just like it takes faith to believe in the Easter bunny -- but at least the Easter bunny is based on a creature that actually exists!
                  Explanation: Comparing the belief in God to belief in the Easter bunny is an attempt at ridicule, and not a good argument.  In fact, this type of fallacy usually shows desperation in the one committing the fallacy.

                  Example #2:

                  Evolution is the idea that humans come from pond scum.
                  Explanation: It is ridiculous to think that we come from pond scum, and it is not true.  It is more accurate to say that we come from exploding stars as every atom in our bodies were once in stars.  By creating a ridiculous and misleading image, the truth claim of the argument is overlooked.

                  Exception: It is legitimate to use ridicule when a position is worthy of ridicule.  This is a risky proposition, however, because of the subjectiveness of what kind of argument is actually ridicule worthy.  As we have seen, misplaced ridicule can appear as a sign of desperation, but carefully placed ridicule can be a witty move that can work logically and win over an audience emotionally, as well.

                  Matt: You close-minded fool!  Seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing!
                  Cindy: Does that go for the Easter Bunny as well, or just the imaginary beings of your choice?
                  Tip: Do your best to maintain your composure when someone commits this fallacy at your expense.  Remember, they are the ones who have committed the error in reasoning.  Tactfully point it out to them.

                  http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                  by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:59:14 AM PST

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                •  do your WORST I won't apologize. I STICK to my gun (0+ / 0-)

                  MAKE ME HURT, bro. I LOVE PAIN.

                  but my virtue and principle is absolutely correct.

                  Checkmate,.

                  http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                  by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:00:41 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

            •  let's call a spade a spade. betrayal (0+ / 0-)

              treason against the party.

              I'm aware that word might "offend" some people but i'm just calling it like I see it.

              I would be letting you down if I were not ruthlessly honest.

              http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

              by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:49:37 AM PST

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              •  Cute! Now he's a "spade"! (0+ / 0-)

                My, how clever.

                Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:56:32 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Go whine to Kos bro. (0+ / 0-)

                  when an impartial observer reviews this they will realize I "Acted" crazy but appearances can be deceptive.

                  People like you need to get out of the party. Style over substance.

                  http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...

                  Move over.

                  http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                  by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:03:26 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Whatever you say, sailor! Now, about that ear (0+ / 0-)

                    nibbling proposition?

                    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                    by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04:36 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Dude. (0+ / 0-)

                      You are attempting to win a debate by substituing ridicule for a rational point.

                      You THINK you are reasonable but your are suffering the dunning kruger effect

                      http://www.psychologytoday.com/...

                      http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                      by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:06:09 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  do you enjoy looking like a reactionary neaderthal (0+ / 0-)

                      because that's what you look like right now to anyone who is thinking fast and slow.

                      http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                      by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:07:15 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  That might be a good look for me actually (0+ / 0-)

                        I've been wondering what to do about the hair on my knuckles.

                        Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                        by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:08:30 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                •  Enjoy the H.r.. I'd be more than happy to "talk" (0+ / 0-)

                  to the staff. Take your ABLEISM and SHOVE IT .

                  http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                  by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:05:03 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Oh dear! Whatever will I do! (0+ / 0-)

                    "Talk"? Do you actually mean "babble incoherently and drool in a cup"?

                    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                    by Gurnt on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:06:42 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Look at my Furoughs of outrage, my extremely (0+ / 0-)

                      irrational furious typer face

                      CLearly our intuition is always accurate!

                      http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

                      by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:18:22 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

    •  wtf Ever happened to humble Liberals? (0+ / 0-)

      When did ya'll get so pompous?

      http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

      by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:08:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  "White flags" "surrender" "cave"... (3+ / 0-)
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    TofG, thomask, daeros

    As long as we (and THEY) portray the opposition doing the right thing in negative terms we will never close the gulf that keeps the two sides at each others' throats.

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:37:14 AM PST

    •  Let's not for a moment (10+ / 0-)

      pretend that this is a possibility.

      The POTUS tried, to excess, to close that gulf for his entire goddamn first term, but there is no coming together with someone whose only goal is to ruin you, just as there is no making peace with a homicidal maniac.

      Failing to have the chutzpah to force a debt ceiling default IS a defeat for the GOP because it would hurt the President to cause one -- and that is their sole driving goal.

      There is but one thing we can do with the Congressional GOP:

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:44:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Goopers got a lot on their plate.....hurry up and (3+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, thomask, daeros

    shake it out before the primaries guyz.

  •  Seems like House GOP are cheese eating surrender (5+ / 0-)

    monkeys.

  •  These are bleeping slow learners these Wingnuts nt (3+ / 0-)
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    skillet, implicate order, daeros

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:43:35 AM PST

  •  Could this mean they've decided to think about (3+ / 0-)
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    skillet, implicate order, daeros

    maybe considering the possibility that the party might probably have to likely convince somebody to vote for them if they are ever going to win another election?

    It's probably too late to win many votes on a policy front, but maybe they can sit around, seem non-stupid, and hope the economy doesn't recover and enough people find themselves worse off under ACA to notice.

    Maybe they can spend the time not fighting the debt ceiling to have a few drinks and ruminate and how it all went so very damned wrong.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:44:44 AM PST

  •  Let's all hope this sparks (5+ / 0-)

    an all-out GOP civil war.

    Lots of challenges to establishment candidates in the House and Senate.

    I hope to see some bloodied, tired, and broke GOP House members, going up against us.


    "Legalizing pot won't make more pot-smokers. It will just make less criminals. - Me

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:46:48 AM PST

  •  We're hearing rumors that repealing the COLA cuts (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    to military pensions is going to get tied into the debt ceiling mess. I'm so tired of politics right now.

  •  White Privilege beyond measure (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    Republicans love Uncle Sugar and want him all to themselves to the degree that they will shut down the government.

    They behave like jilted lovers jealous of their rivals, i.e. 99% of Americans. We love Uncle Sugar too.

  •  I was kind of hoping they'd try it again (3+ / 0-)
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    Apost8, Mistral Wind, daeros

    in an election year.  Maybe the purity police will have a hissy fit in public and we can have snacks.

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:53:49 AM PST

  •  Rethugs' Hostage Taking Is Irrepressible (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    so there will be NO unconditional surrender on the debt ceiling (or ny other issue) by members of the Party of Stupid.

    •  From your lips to gods ears (0+ / 0-)

      BRING IT.

      http://www.actblue.com/page/accountabilitynow If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals!

      by daeros on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:32:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  This has nothing to do with them being responsible (3+ / 0-)
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    TheLizardKing, Palafox, daeros

    It's a political loser and they know it.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:04:02 AM PST

  •  You know that repub civil war we hear about? (2+ / 0-)
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    TheLizardKing, daeros

    This isn't going to help them.

    Heh.

  •  I strongly doubt they're going to give in (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    The RW base is already on fire because of all the battles they've 'lost' recently, and they're not going to accept the R congress letting this big fish go without a fight. The 2014 elections are coming up fast and Republicans have to show that they're 'deeply conservative' to the base, in order to keep the support. I think this is a very dangerous situation.

    And I'm still waiting for any sign of the 'Republican civil war' actually affecting policies - the extreme RW agenda is motoring smoothly right along. Continued anti-abortion laws everywhere, not even any discussion of tightened gun laws, immigration reform stalled for the foreseeable future...and the only 'victory' Dem representatives are proudly crowing about is the passage of the farm bill that 'only' cuts another $8 billion in food assistance to the poor.

    Don't kid yourselves, the RW extremists are still fully in control.

    "By the sacred blood of Kala, my ape-mother, I’ll avenge your senseless death! KREEGAH BUNDOLO!!" - Lord John Greystoke

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:29:50 AM PST

  •  QUTD, "...McConnell is irrelevant..." n/t (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

    by olo on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:31:54 AM PST

  •  I love their expressions in this photos. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    These 3 guys are not normal people. They can't even maintain normal expressions.
    What was up with John Boehner's expression during the SOTU? (What color was he anyway?) As Prez Obama said once at the DC Correspondent's Dinner, "John Boehner is a person of color, but it's a color that is not found in nature."

    "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

    by surfermom on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:02:58 AM PST

  •  Oops. "...in this photo." nt (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daeros

    "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

    by surfermom on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:04:19 AM PST

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