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Not that I watched Morning Joe, but I'll miss Maddow and Hayes.

Here'€™s the message from the programming director of MSNBC, who by coincidence is also the Communications Director for the Republican National Committee, reporting that the person responsible for a heinous and unforgivable act of reverse racism has been fired.
Someone got fired for saying something that everyone knows is true because it was an easy scalp for right-wing-racists-slash-Republicans* to take during their latest fit of manufactured outrage. Or maybe it's not manufactured; it's possible that right wingers don't see themselves as racists, even if the policies they support and language they use enable outcomes that sure look like racism to me. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

Regardless, I have little sympathy if offensive people are offended.

It's a rather dumb decision on MSNBC's part, considering the portion of their audience that would fall under heading, right-wing-racist-slash-Republican. I'm sure the revenue that demographic segment brings in is dwarfed by that of other, non-right-wing-racist-slash-Republican viewers. At most, all that MSNBC should have done is offer a standard non-apology, delete the tweet, and move on. It's what FNC would have done, and I'm not the only one that thinks the same. But by firing some unnamed staffer, you've let the right-wing-racists-slash-Republicans mess with someone's life and livelihood...and after all, haven't we had enough of knee-jerk personnel decisions spurred on by right-wing-racist-slash-Republican outrage?

Regardless, it's my personal boycott. Join me if you will.

(*in defending the right wing racists who object to being called right wing, the chairman of the RNC reinforces the idea that the GOP is populated with racists...the oversensitivity on display is indicative of knowing - at some level - the criticism is spot on. The truth hurts. You could say the same thing applies to their reactions and responses to the phrase, "GOP War on Women.")

8:08 AM PT: The blockquote above doesn't seem to like the link to the original post I put in, so here's the plain URL:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/...

Apologies, but I don't seem to have all the mechanics and quirks of the diary function here down quite yet.

10:26 AM PT: From commenter jayden: If you don't want to just preach to the choir then provide contact links: Phil.Griffin@nbcuni.com

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  •  Tip Jar (17+ / 0-)

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 06:46:18 AM PST

  •  It may surprise you.. (3+ / 0-)

    but not all Republicans are racists. In fact, most of them aren't. The tweet was inappropriate, especially from an official account. If we're going to complain about hateful rhetoric used against us, then we shouldn't abide it coming from our camp.

    TX-17 (Bill Flores-R), TX Sen-14 (Kirk Watson-D), TX HD-50 (Celia Israel-D)

    by Le Champignon on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 06:55:01 AM PST

    •  And the tweet didn't say that. (22+ / 0-)

      The tweet said 'the RW', which is usually understood by almost everybody who isn't looking to pretend the shoe fits to be the rightmost fringe of Republicans, just as we lefties on the actual socialist end of things are considered to be LWers.  And, yes, plenty of racist RWers do indeed exist.

      It also used the word 'maybe', to indicate that it wasn't even making an absolute statement, but just taking a guess about some Republicans.

      It was pretty weak tea as far as 'hateful rhetoric' goes.

    •  That's why I'm not sure I have a (0+ / 0-)

      problem with the firing. It shouldn't have been made from the official MSNBC twitter account.

    •  ...not all Republicans are racists... (5+ / 0-)

      ...but most racists are Republicans.

      At least that's the impression Reince Priebus' silly, blustery reaction gives, since he's the RNC chairman. If racism isn't a strong component of Republicanism, why the hell is the nominal leader of the Republican Party involving himself in the first place? The tweet didn't call Republicans racists; Priebus and the GOP shouldn't have had any dog in this particular hunt.

      Yet they chose to jump in. Why? Either it hit too close to home or they saw some other advantage in appearing to stick up for right-wing racists.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:07:27 AM PST

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    •  Ridiculous. (22+ / 0-)

      You sound EXACTLY like these timid Dems who lurch from one "oh so sorry" to another whenever they unintentionally tell the truth about RIGHT WINGERS, the group referred to in the tweet. (NOT Republicans, in spite of dumbass Rinse Prius's idiotic bleating-methinks the crazy protests too much!)

      Idiot right wing nutjobs screeched like shit-throwing macaques last year when Cheerios ran a commercial with an mixed-race family, and the same pack of werewolves in clownsuits are going to say the same stupid shit as a result of the new Cheerios commercial.

      Nothing in that tweet was remotely racist, over-the-top or even a teensy-weensy bit unfair.

      This is nothing more than Phil The Sold-Out Asshole being Phil The Sold-Out Asshole.

      Stop insisting people tip-toe around these assholes!

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:09:10 AM PST

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      •  Yes Leftykook (0+ / 0-)

        With Dems that feel it's appropriate to apologize to racists. Let them go elsewhere. I'm done with all the phonies at MSNBC

        •  What phonies? (0+ / 0-)

          Rachel? Kornacki? Benen? These people AREN'T "phonies" and your suggestion that they are is insulting and foolish, they've nationalized a "local" story that just might have saved us from a Christie Thugocracy, hardly the work of "phonies"...

          All this stupid hypervenilation over Phil The Sold-Out Douche wrongfully firing someone? What the fuck does THAT have to do with the MSNBC evening team's reporting of the Jersey Circus?

          They DO NOT tell Rachel Maddow what to report, and if they ever do, she'll probably wind up being a webcaster like so many other liberals, and all of you people screeching "MSNBC IS FULLA PHONIES AN I AIN'T WATCHIN IT ANYMORE" will be partially to blame!  

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:20:42 PM PST

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    •  Nobody Mentioned Republicans nt (10+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:11:52 AM PST

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    •  Which Democrats brought actors from Duck (11+ / 0-)

      Dynasty.
      Why were they brought and by what party?
      This is to show solidarity toward??

      "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

      by Cruzankenny on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:12:37 AM PST

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    •  But many racists ARE republicans (12+ / 0-)

      I'll tell you what when the republicans call for the resignation of Rush Limbaugh for calling Sandra Fluke a slut over and over, then they have a right to complain about someone calling them racists.  Until then they can shove it up their fucking asses and twirl.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:27:48 AM PST

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      •  Agreed (8+ / 0-)

        While i understand the statements that we can't complain about inflammatory rhetoric in others and condone it on our side I'm sick and tired of apologizing to these a-holes.
        They never get outraged or call out their own when people showed up at 2008 Palin rallies with monkeys, or the anti-ACA rallies with pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose. Or all the other comments about "thugs", "welfare queens" and all the other dog whistles they use when speaking to the base.
        And of course the Sandra Fluke "slut" comments...they are free to say the most spiteful, twisted, hateful things and are never called to account. Because it's just free speech and this is America.
        But intimate in the slightest that they are racist or sexist then they howl and demand apologies.
        And the spineless Dems and others always oblige with an apology and sending some poor working person packing.
        Enough!
        The tweet was very tame as far as I'm concerned - and accurate as well!

        Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

        by kenwards on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:57:21 AM PST

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        •  I'm done apologizing (5+ / 0-)

          only to get derision and scorn in return.  

          The political right is largely populated by a bunch of ignorant fucksticks, bullies, racists, liars, misogynists, bigots, corporate suckups, wealthy assholes and partisan hacks.  The ONLY way to deal with them is to push back.  They say racist stupid shit, CALL THEM ON IT.  They push us around, PUNCH THEM IN THE FUCKING NOSE.  They bring up irrelevant misogynist crap from 20 years ago, EXPOSE THEM FOR THE HYPOCRITICAL SHITSTAINS THEY ARE.  The whine about class warfare, SHOW THEM WHAT REAL CLASS WARFARE LOOKS LIKE.  

          Until they being to apologize for all the shit they say and do we should NOT apologize for anything.  Martin Bashir suggested someone shit down Sarah Palin's throat so she can get a feel for what slavery is really like?  Well tough shit motherfuckers, maybe your assholes shouldn't be suggesting all the horrible shit be done to Michele Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi or any other strong liberal woman.   Oh what someone called you racist pieces of shit 'racists' well maybe you shouldn't be calling every person of color on TV a fucking monkey, macaca or ape.  Someone tweeted something mean about you or called you a Rancid Penis Mr ReiNCe PRieBuS?  Well maybe you assholes shouldn't be calling Sandra Fluke a slut.  

          Enough is enough and Phil Griffin is a fucking disgrace.  He's kowtowed several times now to the GOP it's high time that ball of Jello grow a fucking backbone.  Stop going flaccid at the sight of Joe Scarborough and stand up to that weaselly little turd blossom.    

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:43:45 AM PST

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    •  It seemed pretty tame to me... (12+ / 0-)

      "Maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everyone else will go awww"

      First, wasn't that tweet based on experience with the first Cheerios ad?

      Secondly, I'm quite sure I've heard statements from pundits on Fox or talkers on "rightwing" radio that begin with "the left wing" or "liberals" followed by "just want to kill babies" "only care about women from the waist down," etc.  Last I checked, all those people still have their jobs.

      Okay Duck Dynasty defenders....how about his/her free speech rights?  (and yes, I know free speech means government control, not corporate control).  If only little tweeter made a lot of money for MSNBC. Would still have a job, and been a guest at the SOTU!

    •  Of course they aren't (4+ / 0-)

      We can tell by all the push back we saw:

       when members of their party were throwing peanuts at a black major network cameraman and saying "This is how you feed a monkey"...

      and from the vocal disagreement with Sen. Graham when he said they were losing because they aren't creating enough angry white guys...

      and from...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:05:52 AM PST

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    •  But ALL conservatives ARE! (0+ / 0-)
    •  And ALL racists vote Republican! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Understood (6+ / 0-)

    because I haven't watched MSNBC since Olbermann "left" (or was let go, or was fired, or who retired, or who left for ESPN, depending on who you believe). They're no friend of The Left. At all. Even with Rachel and Chris.

    But your diary is a little unclear as written, I think. I think I finally got it, but I had to click and then put it together in my head. Maybe it's just me, though, I'm just working on my first cup of coffee? :)

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 06:59:52 AM PST

  •  Still watching Rachel every night (6+ / 0-)

    but Joe Scar is pissing me off every morning.

    I really don't think he understands anything that comes out of his mouth.  This morning he compared Teddy Roosevelt's trust busting with Margaret Thatcher's privatization of the public sector.

  •  Waitasec. Is that snark or reality? (6+ / 0-)
    the programming director of MSNBC, who by coincidence is also the Communications Director for the Republican National Committee
    •  Snark (2+ / 0-)
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      lunachickie, Sylv

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:14:02 AM PST

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      •  Then add a snark tag, n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        Sylv, JamieG from Md, Just Bob

        Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

        by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:42:16 AM PST

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        •  Not my post. (1+ / 0-)
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          lunachickie

          It's a quote, and it's considered bad form to add content to someone else's writing that wasn't there in the first place.

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:06:01 AM PST

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          •  It is bad form? (1+ / 0-)
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            Just Bob

            Wasn't there a shit-storm last week when some WSJ writer totally misrepresented a line from an old column by Krugman -- a big to-do that reached all kinds of meta levels when he posted a mea culpa on his blog, but there was no print correction and the online version of the original piece remains uncorrected?

            If you fuck up, fix it. If you're concerned with the "scrubbing of history", just use  the strikeout feature or make clear that your new edit is just that. It's worse form to leave a bullshit line like that untouched. If I hadn't delved deep into the comments, I would have still been wondering how the hell he gets away with being the RNC p.r. guy.

            Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

            by FischFry on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:35:49 AM PST

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            •  Then complain to the author of that line. (0+ / 0-)

              "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

              by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:44:46 AM PST

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              •  You're missing the point (4+ / 0-)

                You posted the quote. In fact, it doesn't really look like a quote, since it's not in quotation marks -- but, more to the point, you've made the choice to put it there. I clicked on your diary. If you don't want to take responsibility for the shit you put out there, that's your mishegos, but you've just forfeited the right to ever criticize anyone who says they were "just quoting" or "just repeating" what someone else said.

                Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

                by FischFry on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:58:04 AM PST

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                •  You're really bitching about formatting? (0+ / 0-)

                  > it doesn't really look like a quote, since it's not in quotation marks

                  Guess you missed the whole blockquote button down there at the bottom of the Post Comment box.

                  See, this is blockquote text, used for separating out non-original content from original content.
                  And this is the link to the HTML blockquote spec, which says,
                  The blockquote tag specifies a section that is quoted from another source.
                  Easy enough to understand, right?

                  > If you don't want to take responsibility for the shit you put out there...

                  Which is why I commented on it later. You want me to add a snark tag to someone else's writing, it ain't going to happen, particularly if said snark is irrelevant to the larger commentary.

                  If you care that the author engaged in hyperbole to the point that you experience a seemingly unimaginable level of butt-hurt that prevents you from, well, being nice like one commenter Bill W. wants me to be, that is - what did you say? - "that's your mishegos."

                  I used quotes that time. Hopefully that relieves your anxiety slightly. /snark

                  > ...you've just forfeited the right to ever criticize...

                  a) I took responsibility when I responded in comments. You seem to want self-flagellation, which isn't happening.

                  b)  Drama much? It's just a blog diary. You sound like your life depends on this one blog post.

                  So ends today's session where I debate pedants about links, formatting, and quotes. If you have some comment on the actual point of this diary, let's talk.

                  "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

                  by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:37:44 AM PST

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  •  Because a lawyer-shy manager made one (19+ / 0-)

    lawyer-shy bad decision, I should cut myself off from a valuable source of data? Nah.

    I have only sworn off one media outlet, and that is Limbaugh, who I used to listen to to find out what the oppo line of the day was. The price in nausea got too high.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:03:07 AM PST

    •  It's a lawyer shy institution (0+ / 0-)

      that will always crawl on its corporate belly before the demands of the right.  It's the nature of the beast.  Enjoy that high value!

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:37:20 AM PST

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  •  Ummm... (1+ / 0-)
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    AnnieR

    The air Morning Joe every fucking day, every episode of which is intended as a regressive tweak against liberalism. They banned the owner of this site for daring to mention that the host of Morning Joe has a dead intern problem (Google Laurie Klausitis). They only ever agreed to Rachel Maddow's show because Olbermann liked her, but also they thought she'd come off as an ungainly bull dyke serving as a beacon to all upstanding citizens how weird and disturbing liberals are.

    Watching MSNBC has always been a bit of a compact with the devil. I agree the kow-towing to the GOP is unforgivable, but I also accept that the tweet was inflammatory. The generalization was gross, though true enough overall. It's possible to have a discussion about broken barriers in advertising without seeking to twit the political opposition. We don't even know if in fact anybody was really fired (hard to prove if you don't work there). But by all means watch what you like, and avoid what you don't. It's a free country.

  •  I am surprised that MSNBC is still on the air. (1+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA

    The only thing that Republicans and Democrats have in common lately is that they both hate and distrust MSNBC.  

    See the most recent PPP poll results to support that statement, here:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...

    “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

    by SpamNunn on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:12:38 AM PST

  •  MSNBC Has Never Been Safe for Children Before (5+ / 0-)

    late afternoon. The morning winger decides who gets fired and why.

    Check in in the evening, it has some content.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:13:10 AM PST

  •  MSNBC has been pretty weak sauce for some time... (3+ / 0-)
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    greenbell, Shahryar, AlexDrew

    ... about the time Obama was elected.... quite a coincidence.  I stopped watching Ed when he treated Jeremy Scahill like an idiot, stopped watching Maddow when I realized she was not covering important stories that made Obama look bad, stopped watching Sharpton after he said he would not say anything critical of Obama, stopped watching Mathews ages ago because he is so tiresome and full of himself.  I watch Hayes with a finger on the forward button for my DVR so that I can glean the 5 minutes of good stuff he sometimes has on.... I'm about done with MSNBC too.  If I did not have a DVR it would be all over : )  There are far better places to get news.  They are better than CNN and FOX, but that is not saying much, is it?

    The U.S. and Israel are belligerent terrorist states. War crimes, large jailed populations, international law breaking, and massive propaganda are a few of the weapons used to crush any chance at peace.

    by Ipracticedissent on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:15:12 AM PST

    •  I call Bull-pucky (2+ / 0-)
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      JamieG from Md, StillAmused

      MSNBC is practically taking down Christie on their own (slight exaggeration only).

      If you're skipping through the Hayes' show, how do you know the value of what you're skipping?

      Lastly, what awesome sauce do you produce daily?

      Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

      by FischFry on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:40:28 AM PST

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      •  I have watched many hours of Chris Hayes. (0+ / 0-)

        His show is slipping just like all the others on MSNBC have over the last few years.  The Christie coverage has been just about wall to wall which is one of the problems with cable news.  They ignore many important stories and go with the most scandalous news to excess.  The Christie story is an important one and Hayes has done some very good reporting on  it, but wall to wall is too much.  I realize it is a complex story, but there are other stories not being covered... probably because they do not help one of the two major parties.  That is the nature of corporate media.  Hayes breaks through with some brilliant stuff on occasion which is the only reason I still watch him.

        If you think taking down Chris Christie is the job of MSNBC, you are watching the right channel.  Go for it.

        I think there job should be to cover those in power like critical skeptics instead of cheerleaders for one side or the other.  We know the republicans are stupid bigots, now let's cover the news shall we?  Some of that news is that the Democratic party is enabling entrenched corporate power, a surveillance state, war crimes, forgiveness for criminal bankers, and the war criminals of the past and present.

        The U.S. and Israel are belligerent terrorist states. War crimes, large jailed populations, international law breaking, and massive propaganda are a few of the weapons used to crush any chance at peace.

        by Ipracticedissent on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:43:37 AM PST

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        •  Their... not there : ) NT (0+ / 0-)

          The U.S. and Israel are belligerent terrorist states. War crimes, large jailed populations, international law breaking, and massive propaganda are a few of the weapons used to crush any chance at peace.

          by Ipracticedissent on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:16:19 PM PST

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        •  News? (0+ / 0-)

          MSNBC is very much open about the fact that they cover politics -- and mostly from a liberal perspective. Sometimes, the anchors are able to find a crossection between news and politics -- Maddow excels at this --  so they can include things that aren't strictly political. However, if you want "news", go with one of the foreign outlets or seek out reporting from more traditional print media.

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          by FischFry on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:24:17 PM PST

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  •  gosh, I'd have to have a television first . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    lunachickie, Shahryar

    and that, as my not infrequent exposure to the medium continues to attest, would be a waste of my money.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:16:59 AM PST

  •  Foolish Premise. (6+ / 0-)

    The idiocy of Phil The Sold-Out Asshole has nothing to do with the excellent reporting that the MSNBC team has been producing on all sorts of subjects, having a tantrum and stomping out in a huff and ignoring their work doesnt do ANYTHING to Phil, and advocating that people stop watching Kornacki reporting on the Jersey Circus, for instance, because Phil is a jerk, is silly.  

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:17:13 AM PST

    •  One tweet of an anonymous staffer... (1+ / 0-)
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      MKSinSA

      ...also has nothing to do "with the excellent reporting that the MSNBC team has been producing on all sorts of subjects," but it prompted a boycott threat from the RNC that resulted in management taking action.

      Are you saying that it can't work from the other direction?

      > having a tantrum and stomping out in a huff

      It's not a tantrum, and I'm not huffily stomping. If you don't like the decisions a company makes, you take your business elsewhere. It's not a new concept.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:44:46 AM PST

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      •  The people who've been digging into BridgeGate (3+ / 0-)
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        Sylv, JamieG from Md, StillAmused

        ...may have very well saved the country from a Chris Christie Presidency (shudder) and you're suggesting that we stop watching the shows that result from their digging because the guy they work for is an Asshole of the First Order.

        This is just foolish.

        Sending hate mail to Phil The Sold-Out Asshole has more effect than merely switching the channel at nine pm eastern.

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:50:48 AM PST

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        •  MSNBC wasn't the only org digging in. (1+ / 0-)
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          leftykook

          Regardless, I respect your reasons for disagreeing.

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:48:51 AM PST

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          •  Well the REAL DIGGING... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...was from Jersey journalists, like the Bergen Record, Maddow's crew and associates brought national attention to what started off as a local story...

            "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

            by leftykook on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:06:19 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yup. (0+ / 0-)

              That's why I understand and respect the opinion. Much tougher to get the exposure as thoroughly or rapidly without Maddow and crew putting it out there.

              Still doesn't mean that it wouldn't have come out, 'tho.

              "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

              by grape crush on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 01:06:32 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  I would give a little more credence to this and (4+ / 0-)
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    similar diarists who think MSNBC kowtowed or overreacted in firing the 'employee' if the diarists would include the actual tweet so it can be evaluated . . .  .

    Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

    by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:28:00 AM PST

  •   (0+ / 0-)

    similar diarists who think MSNBC kowtowed or overreacted in firing the 'employee' if the diarists would include the actual tweet so it can be evaluated . . .  .

    Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

    by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:28:16 AM PST

    •  The original tweet was deleted. (0+ / 0-)

      I tried to include an image of it, but dKos wouldn't accept it.

      You can find it here.

      Or use Google to find the text, if you're not feeling lazy.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:37:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Lazy? Maybe you, for not linking to it. (3+ / 0-)
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        n/t

        Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

        by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:44:57 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh dear... (1+ / 0-)
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          lunachickie

          ...whatever happened to motivation and curiosity?

          If you want to whine about not having the original tweet - which isn't the subject of the post - and you can't be bothered to take a couple of minutes to find information yourself because you prefer to be spoon-fed, I consider that to be somewhat lazy.

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:56:59 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You bawl about the firing, and don't give (1+ / 0-)
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            Brown Thrasher

            a link to the alleged reason.  

            Under your approach, nobody gets to look behind anything.  Probably a wise precaution for you.

            Adios.

            Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

            by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:04:19 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Once again... (0+ / 0-)

              ...if you're that curious and can't wait to have someone hand you what you're looking for - which I did - then it's not unreasonable to expect you to take 30 seconds of your time to find out for yourself.

              > ...nobody gets to look behind anything

              Ultimately, the only person responsible for your ignorance or lack of knowledge is yourself. You obviously have a computer and know how to use a browser. Have at it. No one is stopping you from looking behind anything but you.

              "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

              by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:14:04 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  You could have taken the same 30 seconds and saved (1+ / 0-)
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                every single person who read your diary and did not already know the contents of the tweet the same 30 seconds.

                Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

                by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:19:57 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  You could have taken... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...the time you've spent complaining about this in comments and looked it up yourself several times over.

                  Unbelievable amount of whinging you've done, especially considering that I provided the information you were looking for. That and the fact that this is a blog diary, not a NYT opinion piece.

                  "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

                  by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42:45 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

      •  It's your diary (1+ / 0-)
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        It's not your readers' obligation to do the research for you.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:44:41 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not my obligation... (0+ / 0-)

          ...to provide readers with information that is irrelevant or incidental to the diary. If the diary was on the Christie bridge scandal and someone in comments asked, "why didn't you include who was the NJ governor before Christie," I would feel no obligation to update the diary to include that information unless I felt that Corzine was somehow relevant. Go look it up.

          Whether or not part of a quote is snark has no bearing on my opinion that MSNBC made a poor decision in firing that staffer and choice to express my displeasure by not viewing that channel.

          Whether that staffer is anonymous or not is irrelevant to that opinion.

          The content of the original tweet that got the staffer fired is incidental.

          I did my research. If various commenters want information outside the scope of the diary, then it's on them, not me.

          Take some responsibility for your own curiosities.

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:12:01 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  That's not the way it works here. (1+ / 0-)
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            You're diary could have been better had you put more work into it.   This piece does fall into the realm of "lazy".  I've posted diaries like this too, and have been critiqued for it.  Live and learn.  It's nothing personal.  That said, if you're going to take the criticism personally, you might want to find a more accomodating forum than DKOS.

            I liked your diary, and appreciate the way that you expressed your feelings on this fiasco.  

            Don't make the mistake of getting drawn into arguments over form.  Better to acknowledge you could have put a little more thought and work into your effort and then apply that to your next diary.

            Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

            by cks175 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 10:29:05 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Thanks for the civil response. (0+ / 0-)

              Like I said earlier, I'm not auditioning for anything, nor am I using this as a writing sample, or for any other purpose other than being a diary of what I'm thinking. I'm not here to prove that I'm a master of the craft of blog diary writing. If there's some sort of pro blog diary standard required to be met, then I will likely fail someone each and every time I choose to post. There's always someone who's going to complain because I used a blockquote tag instead of quotes in a certain spot. Or left out something they're curious about. Or something.

              I'm not that interested in making my writings 'better,' however that's measured. I'm more interested in just getting the thoughts out.

              And no, I'm not taking the criticism personally. Been writing and commenting online too long to let anonymous blog comments rile me up.

              Also know not to take certain things too seriously. Thanks again for the reply.

              "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

              by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:10:25 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  No, it's not (1+ / 0-)
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            Brown Thrasher
            The content of the original tweet that got the staffer fired is incidental.
            The content has a lot to do with one's perception of whether firing the employee is justified.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:41:25 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  /sigh. (0+ / 0-)
              The content has a lot to do with one's perception of whether firing the employee is justified.
              Not my perception. I already knew what the quote said.

              You're wanting me to do your research for you. I didn't. Sorry for the inconvenience.

              "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

              by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 11:59:46 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Ah, I get it now (1+ / 0-)
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                Your diary is just you talking to yourself, nothing to do with sharing your thoughts for discussion with others. OK. I'll leave you to it. I suspect others will also.

                “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

                by Catte Nappe on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 01:59:29 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  I doubt it. (0+ / 0-)
                  Although a diary may provide information for a memoir, autobiography or biography, it is generally written not with the intention of being published as it stands, but for the author's own use.
                  I don't look at a diary as a means of ego fulfillment as others around here seem to, no. Or write anything because I enjoy engaging with pedantic trolls either.

                  >  ...nothing to do with sharing your thoughts for discussion with others...

                  I'm old enough to know that I'm never going to make everyone happy, so I figure that I'll keep on doing whatever it is that I do. There's enough responses and good dialogue in the comments here that's not fussy-pissy in nature.

                  > OK. I'll leave you to it.

                  That's very generous of you.

                  "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

                  by grape crush on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 12:53:21 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

  •  The RNC Communications Director is Sean Spicer (3+ / 0-)

    Who is the program director of MSNBC?

    Diarist says it is the same person:

    "the programming director of MSNBC, who by coincidence is also the Communications Director for the Republican National Committee"

    which I highly doubt.  In fact, I wonder if MSNBC even has such a title.  Hint: there's a man named Wolff, or Wolf . . .  .

    This notion appeared in these 'blogs':

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/...

    http://regator.com/...

    and appears to have been taken up here uncritically even though it's absurd on its face.

    Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

    by oblomov on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:40:10 AM PST

    •  Snark, as called out above. (1+ / 0-)
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      But, you probably want to be shown exactly which comment it was called out on.

      Have fun searching.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 07:58:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Be nice. (2+ / 0-)
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        JamieG from Md, Brown Thrasher

        As originally posted, your diary didn't contain a link to, or acknowledge the source of that quote. Nor did it indicate that the author of the quote was kidding.

        •  Link was inserted, didn't appear. (0+ / 0-)

          So I added it in via update.

          >  Nor did it indicate that the author of the quote was kidding.

          What's funny is that the inclusion of the original tweet, the quote's snark, or whether or not the person fired was named...all those things are not relevant to this diary. It's nitpicking.

          The point of the post is to share what I'm choosing to do in response to what I feel is a poor move on MSNBCs part and why.

          If that point is unclear, I'm more than happy to clarify.

          Agree with the point, disagree, whatever. I'm happy to discuss.

          Want to complain about a quotation from a third party who chose not to include a snark tag? Dissatisfied because every detail you want to see isn't included in a non-professional blog diary? I have a hard time caring about that; it's not as if I'm auditioning for anything.

          > Be nice.

          I am.

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 09:10:07 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Applaud your stance (3+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, AnnieR, StillAmused

    The fired staffer from MSNBC just exposed another incident of White Privilege. We knew it existed at MSNBC, so what.

    Rachel and Hayes are a correlation of MSNBC cable hosts aligned with infinite intelligence and are worthy of watching.  

  •  MSNBC/CNBC worked feverishly to elect GW Bush (2+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, Brown Thrasher

    putting on Rachel Maddow or Al Sharpton will never wash away that stain.

  •  I agree with the sentiment (3+ / 0-)
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    and was offended that they rolled over so easily. Just watch Hannity, or frankly any portion of Fox news, and you will hear the most fantastic libel thrown at the left, that we are traitors, treasonous, immoral, dedicated to the nations destruction. MSNBC's decision just feeds the perception (reality) that there is a double standard. Could you ever see Roger Ailes apologizing and firing people? I am taking a vacation from MSNBC, despite my love for Maddow.

  •  Suggestion: Be more explicit in your diary. (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, JamieG from Md

    I should not have had to follow an off-site link to find out that you were talking about an anonymous staffer.

    •  Anonymous or named... (0+ / 0-)

      ...does it make a difference?

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      by grape crush on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:21:58 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's up to you to discuss in the diary. (0+ / 0-)

        Links make fine citation for a proper argument, but links without discussion are just linkspam.

        •  This post isn't about the staffer's identity. (0+ / 0-)

          I found it to be an irrelevant detail not worth mentioning. The onus is not on me to provide 'discussion' opportunities about matters that are not important to the diary.

          Again, I ask: anonymous or named, does it make a difference, or is it just something that you are curious about for some yet-unstated reason?

          "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

          by grape crush on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 01:03:45 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  It Was A True Statement (4+ / 0-)
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    We know so because of the RW emails on the Cheerio commercial.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:07:56 AM PST

  •  MSNBC just following Dem govt's lead (2+ / 0-)
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    You can run the name Shirley Sherrod, be my guest.

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Jan 31, 2014 at 08:27:10 AM PST

  •  The tweet was only offensive... (3+ / 0-)
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    jayden, Sylv, DarkestHour

    toward those who self-identify as right wingers, but are not racist. (If they are avowed RW racists I don't care if they were offended.)

    Non-racist right wingers exist. That's a fact. I know some. I'm sure there are others. (I do care that they are offended,)

    The tweet was not witty or insightful. Just an ad hominem shot at the right that (I'll assume) unintentionally cast too wide of a net.

    It was not an offense worthy of termination. A letter of reprimand and revocation of unsupervised tweeting authority would have sufficed.

    MSNBC's response was cowardly and disproportionate to the crime. Now they've offended their own base. And, more importantly, sent a chill through their newsroom that will inevitably result in a self-initiated form of prior restraint.

    Since the thesaurus offered no less coarse alternative, I'll stick with a "cluster-fuck."

    Nice job MSNBC. I won't boycott you because that would hurt me more than you.

    But I will offer this admonishment, that you'll surely ignore. Get some adults to run things.

  •  More MSNBC beefs (0+ / 0-)

    Really tired of the nonstop Christie-gate, or any Scandal-gate. Seems like a soap opera.

    When I listen to MSNBC on the Sirius XM on my morning drive it is nonstop Ads.

  •  How about a contact link for MSNBC? (0+ / 0-)
  •  What was the original tweet? (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, Brown Thrasher

    I can't form an opinion without the reference.

  •  This is like voting Independent: it helps the GOP! (0+ / 0-)
  •  From the Balloon-Juice piece: (0+ / 0-)

    "... if MSNBC or some other liberal target hadn’t said something negative about conservatives in time for Fox’s latest deadline, they would have just made it up."

    All this handwringing over an innocuous — and ACCURATE — tweet is sickening.

    Scarborough is a stumbling, recidivist GOP apologist (best described by Imus, a long time ago, as Banjo Boy in 'Deliverance'). He drags the rest of his panel, on any given day, right down the drain with him... some more compliant than others. 'Morning Joke' is the equivalent of a 60-cycle hum and, once it's over, the MSNBC programming day begins. Consider it the price of the quality stuff that follows.

    The worst one can say is that Andrea Mitchell is the homecoming queen for stodgy, mainstream chatter.

    Whatever one thinks of individual personalities or styles, their PM lineup is uniformly spot-on, smart and informed. I personally don't give a shit who Phil Griffin massages, as long as he doesn't muzzle his on-air talent... and I see NO EVIDENCE of that. Accusations to the contrary are delusional.

    Maybe — just maybe — it takes a three-digit I.Q. to appreciate the collective work of the MSNBC evening lineup.

    Ask Christie.

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