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An amazingly universal phenomenon strikes politicians of all stripes whenever they are caught flat-footed and unprepared by a storm. See, they couldn't prevent the storm, so why is the public all bitchy about it? An equally plausible explanation for what happened in Georgia this week is a raging case of rightwing Deficit Obsession Syndrome; the irrational fear that government may have to spend taxpayer money to protect and serve taxpayers. Time to scapegoat gubmint weather scientists!

Georgia Governor Nathan Deal threw the National Weather Service under the bus -- but his statement shows a complete misunderstanding of the role of the NWS forecasters and the role of emergency decision-makers, including himself. The meteorologists make the weather forecasts, the emergency managers and decision-makers at cities, counties, states, and school boards are supposed to understand the impact of the weather, direct the government response, and communicate recommended actions to the public. Shockingly, the governor and the Atlanta mayor didn’t see that as their responsibility. This is distressingly similar to Hurricane Sandy, of course. A major city, along with the state in this case, in spite of direct communications with the National Weather Service, is unable to put the pieces together to understand the RISK to their citizens.
In my book the undisputed king of this blame shifting genre is Michael Chertoff. The head of Homeland Security actually implied with a straight face on live TV, multiple times on all major networks, that one reason his department dropped the ball during Katrina was due to a purported, never identified newspaper headline he read the next morning saying NOLA may have dodged a bullet.
  • Isaac Asimov was eerily accurate 50 years ago.
  • Face/palm: a UFO conspiracy nut takes NASA to court to force them to tell The Truth, which he must know is surely Out There.
  • Many of us in the science-blogging community are virtually wincing just thinking about how Creationists might try and clumsily latch onto this blame-the-Neanders research.
  • There has got to be a way to blame poor people making minimum wage, while sparing job creating Koch funded think-tanks and industrial waste, for crashing butterfly and plummeting baby penguin populations.  
  • Here's your Superbowl weather forecast, and if it turns out wrong, you know who to blame!
    “There will be a two or three day window up there where some milder air moving in and it will be some relatively calm Sunday through Monday,” said Michael Palmer, a lead meteorologist from the Weather Channel. “The NFL is going to seriously luck out this weekend.”


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  •  A slow news cycle (4+ / 0-)

    It has to be a slow news cycle when all there is to talk about is some people bitching about traffic jams because of a storm.  

    I guess these people just needed something to take their minds off of all of the other problems they have in their daily lives.

    •  What could be more American than a traffic (3+ / 0-)
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      jam?  It shows off the relative affluence of US citizens when they can take all those pricey vehicles onto the roadways, queue up, and look like the teams waiting to take to the arena to open the Olympics.

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:39:22 AM PST

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    •  kids never making it home from school (4+ / 0-)

      overnight, spending the night in school, is more than 'traffic from a storm"

      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        There should never be traffic jams and there should never be bad weather causing strife and problems for our citizens in our country.  It never happened when I was growing up, that's for sure.  And, if it ever did, I put blame somewhere you can bet on that.

        •  they should have closed school (2+ / 0-)
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          RiveroftheWest, LinSea

          like they do in the North and other places that get snow
          that is the point of this diary - the officials don't seem to realize they are in charge and have the power to do something about it
          the mayor complained he didn't have jurisdiction over the interstates -what would he have done if he did? Someone said the mayor needs 'power' like the mayor of NYC so he could 'take over'. He does.

          •  That is Georgia (0+ / 0-)

            Mistakes will be made.  Government officials make mistakes and they misjudge and they make wrong decisions.  I just do not see it as something to blog about.  But, I do not have a lot of blog experience so maybe it is.

            Either way, it seems like in every city in every county in every state there will be bad decisions or incorrect decisions or decisions made on not enough information.  

            I guess it gives fodder for the bloggers.  I do understand that.

  •  UFO conspiracy nut? (4+ / 0-)

    I thought the nuts were the ones doing the cover up.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:20:25 AM PST

    •  I never understood the whole "UFO conspiracy" (8+ / 0-)

      thingie. What is the presumed point behind it?  What motive would there be for a vast international conspiracy of global politicians and scientists for several centuries to "hide The Truth(tm)(c) about UFOs"? So what if flying saucers and little green men really DO exist? What's the BFD here? Why bother hiding it? What does anyone gain from that? All this effort stretching from Azerbaijan to Zimbabwe--and for what? Why bother?

      Anyone who stepped forward with indisputable proof of extraterrestrial life (such as a crashed Roswell alien) would INSTANTLY become the single most famous person in all of human history--more famous than Elvis, George Washington, the Kardashian sisters AND Bill Nye the Science Guy all rolled up into one. The book royalties and speaking fees alone would be worth gazilions; a Nobel Prize or three would be a foregone conclusion; political or corporate office would be theirs for the asking. Yet nobody has ever stepped forward to claim that awesome prize . . . .

      I just don't understand the mindset of the CT-tinfoilhat crowd . . . .

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:31:16 AM PST

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      •  To keep us from panicking, LOL (3+ / 0-)
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        That's often given as the purported reason for secrecy. But my thinking is, why would I panic if there were ET's here? They might be very friendly and peace-loving. It would be fascinating to try communicating with them. A puzzle to solve. Why would visitors come all this way just to blow us up? Makes no sense.

        Besides, it's not humanly possible to keep a "conspiracy" like that covered up, especially for so long, ever since Roswell? Some low-level keyboard hack would have squealed by now, just to get some of that fame you describe. Where are the whistleblowers? From inside, I mean. There are kooky whistlers (UFO believers) but they don't have any more information than I do.

        Where in the Constitution does it say: "...on behalf of corporate interests" ???

        by sillia on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:08:32 AM PST

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        •  yeah, the whole "panic" thingie is silly (4+ / 0-)

          First of all, there's not a shred of evidence that (1) it would cause any panic at all, or (2) most governments would care if it did.

          And of course many people ALREADY believe there are little green men, and they don't appear to be "panicking".

          Why would visitors come all this way just to blow us up? Makes no sense.
          Or come all the way here just to kidnap Duane Barry and kill a few cows? Why not just land on the White House lawn and declare "Hi, y'all"?

          The ones who REALLY make me laugh are the "the space aliens want our DNA to make hybrids with" crowd. They don't understand fourth-grade biology. A space alien would be an entirely different species, with entirely different DNA (if they even have DNA at all). Our DNA would be of no more use to them than a petunia's or a sea slug's. Hell, even with OUR primitive 21st century technology, we can synthesize our own artificial DNA sequences--we don't need any "real" DNA to make hybrids. So why would the space aliens need to come all the way here to kidnap us for our DNA when they can stay at home and make all the ACGTs they want in their lab?

          The whole thing is just silly.

          Most UFO lore just strikes me as the New Age version of Christian religion---we humans are still "special", but instead of "angels from heaven" protecting and watching over us, now it's "aliens from space".

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:21:12 AM PST

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          •  no what is silly (1+ / 0-)
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            if for people to think this planet is the only planet with "intelligent" life forms on it.   Actually understanding even first grade math shows its a certainty that intelligent life exist out there.  So now the whole debate is just about, has intelligent life of this planet crossed paths at any point in history with intelligent life elsewhere, and this is a silly question why?

            •  category error (1+ / 0-)
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              I think the odds are near 100% that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy. It's simple chemistry.

              That, however, doesn't mean ANY of that intelligent life has ever been HERE.

              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 08:38:38 AM PST

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            •  ps--the question isn't silly . . . (1+ / 0-)
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              So now the whole debate is just about, has intelligent life of this planet crossed paths at any point in history with intelligent life elsewhere, and this is a silly question why?
              . . . the whole idiotic CT nonsense about "they are hiding The Truth(tm)(c) from us !!!!", is silly. The existence or non-existence of ET life (and indeed the possibility that life or its chemical components may have traveled here from elsewhere in a comet ) is a legitimate scientific question that is now under legitimate scientific study. But the "space aliens are kidnapping people and killing our cows !!!" kookery is . . .  well . . . kookery.

              Perhaps you could explain to us what the purpose of the vast global century-long conspiracy to hide The Truth(tm)(c) from us, would be.  What go to all that effort.  What does anyone gain from it.  Why bother. The Big Bad Evil Gubmint is hiding The Truth(tm)(c) about flying saucers from us because  ______.

              Fill in the blank.

              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 08:47:38 AM PST

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          •  I agree, most people wouldn't panic... (0+ / 0-)

            I mean, look at all the $$$ they pay to attend terrifying horror movies for "fun". Americans love to be terrified -- zombies, werewolves, you name it -- gives 'em a chance to pick up their newest blunderbuss and blow something away!

            That little green guy wouldn't stand a chance.

      •  I have often said similar things (2+ / 0-)
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        gffish, RiveroftheWest

        about Bigfoot. Think of the fame that would be heaped on the scientist who validated the existence of a near-human species living secretly among us.

        Instead, you have people like this who desperately want to be taken seriously.

        •  Bigfoot, Nessie, ESP, pyramid power, vaccine cause (4+ / 0-)
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          palantir, gffish, ebohlman, RiveroftheWest

          autism, GMOs cause cancer--you name it.  Our side, sadly, is no more immune to anti-science nuttery than the rightwingnuts are. (The big difference being that the rightwingnuts put their anti-science kookers in charge of the EPA, while we mostly just laugh at ours).

          The funniest part of this, though, is that invariably the lefty lunatic fringe will smile sagely and nod while I criticize all the anti-science quackery until I hit THEIR favorite bit of looniness--whereupon I get the whole "you're close-minded and probably part of the corporate conspiracy !!!!" treatment.  (sigh)

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:29:11 AM PST

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          •  That's right! I mean, my hard-working, sober (0+ / 0-)

            next door neighbor saw Bigfoot run right in front of him on I-84 late one night, heading towards the Columbia River, he was. And my uncle saw a flying saucer with his own eyes, and he didn't drink either!

      •  A few points (1+ / 0-)
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        Just because governments know they are here, doesn't necessarily mean they know why they're here. There are also numerous countries whose governments admit they're here. It can't be both. While people on this sight might react rationally to being told that aliens are real, and are here, you need to remember we live in a country where Muslims commit 9/11 and people shoot Sikhs in retaliation. We live in a country where people get shot for texting during coming attractions at the movies. I'm not sure it would be a great idea to tell people that aliens are here, we don't why, and there's nothing we can do about it

        I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

        by jhecht on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 01:30:00 PM PST

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  •  Damned weather service is a well-known (10+ / 0-)

    Liberal front group.

    “One life. A little gleam of Time between two Eternities.” -- Thomas Carlyle

    by Rikon Snow on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:21:13 AM PST

    •  Rick "Frothy Mix" Santorum obviously (1+ / 0-)
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      believed this.  In 2005, he tried to push a bill through Congress prohibiting the National Weather Service from releasing information for free when commercial entities (i.e., some of his campaign contributors) would issue the same information for a charge.

  •  August 6, 2001 is the all time champ (7+ / 0-)

    Who could have known?

    Knowledge is Hard Won

    by bluelaser2 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:23:02 AM PST

  •  I blame (5+ / 0-)

    Murray Leinster. 18 years before Asimov.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:24:23 AM PST

  •  I Feel Sorry For The UFO Believers (5+ / 0-)

    The same way I feel sorry for people who believe in supernatural phenomena. I can't imagine the frustration they feel "knowing" that something is true yet having every bit of evidence they bring forward debunked. Not to mention the out-and-out charlatans who are out there fleecing these people.

    Remember, the road to victory is paved with big words and professorial arrogance. Passion need not apply.

    by The Lone Apple on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:25:30 AM PST

  •  Interesting superiority tone (3+ / 0-)
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    on the neanderthal thing:

    </"We found evidence that Neanderthal skin genes made Europeans and East Asians more evolutionarily fit," said Benjamin Vernot, from the University of Washington, co-author of a separate study in Science journal.  Genes for keratin filaments, a fibrous protein that lends toughness to skin, hair and nails, were also enriched with Neanderthal DNA. This may have helped provide the newcomers with thicker insulation against cold conditions, the scientists suggest.blockquote>

    So what did "humans" bring to that evolutionary table?

    ALL of our institutions have been hollowed out by the greed ethos. There are none left with heart intact or souls for that matter. So the zombie is all around us - me

    by glitterscale on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:29:42 AM PST

  •  You would think (6+ / 0-)

    Asimov was the Hari Seldon of the 20th century.

    Sigline? What Sigline?

    by Khun David on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:35:13 AM PST

  •  my wife (2+ / 0-)
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    My wife is smarter than I am (prettier and nicer, too, but that's not germane) and she has an answer to this--

    Many of us in the science-blogging community are virtually wincing just thinking about how Creationists might try and clumsily latch onto this blame-the-Neanders research.
    Adam was the first one with a soul--not the first to look like a man.  Created in His image means understanding that helping others is the ideal.  

    The wife's an atheist--but would have made a great cleric.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:35:51 AM PST

  •  I often wish (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, RiveroftheWest

    that the dividing line between East and West at the end of WW2 had been the Neander Valley.  Then Kennedy's immortal statement would be, "As a free man I take pride in the words, 'Ich bin ein Neanderthaler!'"

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 06:48:30 AM PST

  •  When there is even a remote chance of snow (5+ / 0-)

    in the South, everybody talks about it. People were mentioning it in conversation last weekend.

    When I got home from a work-related trip Monday night, the NOAA weather website had a Special Weather Statement warning that travel might become "impossible." Based on that information, I arranged my schedule so that I would not have to leave home the next two days.

    Here is a screen capture of the forecast for Macon, which is about 75 miles southeast of Atlanta. This is what I saw Monday night.

    It turned out that we only had rain on Tuesday, followed by 2 inches of snow that night. But it snowed most of the day in Atlanta. one could have foreseen...

    •  I hate to say this, because someone will flame me, (5+ / 0-)

      but sometimes we do have to take personal responsibility.

      Sure, the emergency management people should have been on top of the storm. They weren't. They should get blamed for their lack of response.

      But that doesn't mean individuals should sit back and point the finger of shame. They could do as you did - prepare and be sensible.

      I get lots of bad weather; I don't wait to be told I must prepare for it and be careful.

      People! Get your heads out of the sand. The Cavalry will not always arrive in time.

      "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." - George Carlin

      by Most Awesome Nana on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:21:49 AM PST

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      •  I would totally not rely on a mayor to tell me (5+ / 0-)

        whether to go outside or not. I already have a mom.

        The various local govts should be blamed for poor prep and response, but not for not warning people and businesses enough.

      •  I can imagine that many workers (7+ / 0-)

        were in the situation of "you'd better come to work today, or get fired." Then at noon, they tell you "go home."

        In many places in Atlanta, once you get onto a major road leading to the Interstates, there's no place to park if you change your mind, and hardly a way to turn around. Then, once you are on the on-ramp, you have just committed yourself to Hell on the Highway.

        Had I been in that situation, I would have stayed at my workplace until the traffic was better. Hey, it's better to be stuck at work than spend the night in your car. And if coffee shops and restaurants were nearby, I would have walked to them.

        Folks with kids in school had their own set of problems.

        •  Again, thinking for yourself and taking charge of (4+ / 0-)

          your needs.

          I have stayed overnight at work. And lucky enough that my kids were never stuck at school and my neighbors kept an eye on them. But that was all worked out in advance - just in case.

          When I was married, my husband and I would have arguments about advanced planning. He was a wing-it type of guy; I needed every i dotted. That changed the day a very minor hurricane tore the storm windows off the front of our house. He didn't think such a "small" storm would do any damage. No more planning arguments.


          "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." - George Carlin

          by Most Awesome Nana on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 08:51:25 AM PST

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  •  Deficit Obsession Syndrome (10+ / 0-)

    That's the unspoken motive underlying the FAIL in Atlanta.
    And to be fair to the Mayor, he only controls a very small portion of the Atlanta Metro. Over forty separate towns spread across three counties each with their own government have jurisdiction here. And these governments don't play nice together. So Mayor Reed has neither the tools nor the responsibility for the bulk of the Metro Area.
    The Governor, on the other hand, does have both.
    And he's the deficit hawk.
    And so this should, by rights, be laid at his feet.
    What Atlanta needs is a downgrade of the power of the individual towns, cities and counties in the Metro Area and the formation of a superstructure like LA's county board or NY/NJ's Port Authority  (with watchdogs to combat corruption built in at the outset). That way, a coordinated approach to regional issues have a regional forum to be dealt with.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:14:55 AM PST

    •  The retired Army General who handed Katrina (6+ / 0-)

      offered the same assessment on Al Jazeera.
      Atlanta is parsed up into way too many fiefdoms and jurisdictions, like its rural Mississippi, instead of a major metropolitan area.

      •  That's the advantage of doing things on the county (7+ / 0-)

        level like we do in the DC burbs.  School systems and county governments are the ones that make decisions--not individual towns.  My county has 200 schools with over 150K students so when they close it makes a substantial difference on the roads.  They also tend to err on the side of caution.  If a storm is supposed to hit around rush hour, local jurisdictions will at least call a 2 hour delay to have time to assess the situation or they will just outright close.  When there are storms that hit a large part of the state, the governor will declare an emergency and the local jurisdictions may be able to waive the used snow days.

        “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

        by musiclady on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:36:05 AM PST

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        •  That's good if it covers the entire area (5+ / 0-)

          In Atlanta's case there are three Counties, each with their own agendas, there needs to be a regional authority that supersedes them.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:43:11 AM PST

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          •  True (6+ / 0-)

            We have that in DC as well as well as having to deal with counties in two states: MD and VA.  We do have a regional group (I forget what it's called) that includes all the local jurisdictions as there are so many things that need approval of all of the local governments (public transportation and road projects) to work well.  They do coordinate.  Closing decisions, though, are in the hands of the local counties.  They all tend to be cautious and put safety first.  Another major impact for us is whether or not the federal government closes.  Often, in the event of anticipated bad weather, they will allow the employees to either take unscheduled leave or to telecommute which helps remove road congestion.

            “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

            by musiclady on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:48:05 AM PST

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  •  New Orleans got it right for this storm (8+ / 0-)

    What nobody in the Atlanta clusterfuck seems to notice is that the New Orleans metro area shut down on Tuesday even though the morning commute looked OK, because it was obvious what would happen when/if all the bridges iced over.  That's called understanding the risk and making the necessary investment to avoid a catastrophe, and this time we're the ones who got it right.

    As a result I spent two days in a hotel so I could work those two days without crossing any of the long bridges which were closed between my home and my job.  And when the bridges re-opened Thursday there weren't thousands of stalled cars needing to be cleared out of the way for us to recommence driving over them.

  •  not to make light of it (2+ / 0-)
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    But speaking of Katrina, and the northern people who are attacking and even making fun of Atlanta, I want to bring up Sandy.

    Sandy, when it his New York and New Jersey, was not even a class 1 hurricane.  It was a hurricane baby, something that we on the gulf coast don't even necessarily notice.  I can't tell you the number of times I have driven home where I had to ram through a foot of water.

    Admittedly Sandy peaked at catagory three, but Katrina peaked at catagory five.  And Katrina landed at Catagory 3, did 100 billion worth of damage, and NoLo rebuilt. Sandy, something that was not even a hurricane when it his the upper part of the US, did 70 billion.  I am sure that some will say that is because New York is simply more valuable than Nolo, and I am sure that some think that is true.

    Also, I know that tropical storms can do damage when they are very big and move very slow.  I have lived through that.  The last time that happened I got home around midnight, when it was beginning to really flood,  woke up the next morning and the power was out.  The power was out in some places for days, but since there was no wind damage I was out and about pretty much immidately, and most of the city was functional.  i hung out with friends for a few days.  The storm did about 10 billion of damage, mostly to the building that had basements.  That is what happened to me.  My building took forever to pump out.  It is not something that we have to deal with, so it took a while to figure out what to do.

    But I also lived through a category three hurricane.  I was my first and it was scary.  City was shut down for a while.  I felt for the people in Nolo, because I have been through it.  Do not wish that on anyone.  Mistakes were made then too.  I don't think there is anyway to fully prepared for a 100+ mph wind monster that is going to hang around for a day.

    Which is to say if you don't know shit then keep shut up.  No one was laughing at the incompetence of the New York and New Jersey for letting, what, at least 40 die and many abandoned in their building for what was a minor storm that one had a weeks notice of.  We felt for them, as we know what they were going though, even though we had been through worse.

    Dealing with weather is hard, and dealing with weather that the emergency people have little experience with is harder. We had some ice days, and the Georgia people should have been a bit more cautious.  They weren't.  There have been days when we haven't either, and we got lucky.  For the people in atlanta who are critizes, great, they know the situation, and can make changes for next time. For everyone else, you are just being mean.

  •  People in Atlanta seem shocked they were left (5+ / 0-)

    entirely to their own devices and improvisations. That noone came to help them.
    Isnt that what they voted for? No big gooberment interference? Now everyone real American's a mini-entrepreneur. Oh and MacGuyver too. Didnt they get the memo?

  •  Blame all (0+ / 0-)

    those science-y people. What gets said as they turn on all the lights and turn up the heat.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:35:18 AM PST

  •  The Atlanta situation makes one wonder how (4+ / 0-)

    well prepared cities and towns are to evacuate large populations should it become necessary due to chemo-bio warfare or something else unimaginable.  Contingency planning seems like a luxury on dwindling municipal budgets, but the payoff could be enormous is Plan B had to be executed.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 07:58:36 AM PST

  •  climate projections (1+ / 0-)
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    It's time to get some high-quality climate projections in place that rely on straightforward physics:

    No more dicking around with this stuff and listening to climate deniers.

  •  I used to live in Georgia. Nathan Deal will do (1+ / 0-)
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    whatever it takes to cover his own ass.

    Find out about my next big thing by reading my blog. Link is here:

    by Kimball Cross on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 08:01:45 AM PST

  •  chertoff's insistence that everything was fine (5+ / 0-)

    at the Superdome, to Robert Siegel on NPR, while the disaster was televised right behind him on a TV is the classic of all time eclipsing anything the Onion could ever hope to do

  •  the NO comparison needs to be considered with (1+ / 0-)
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    the very real possibility that the rove cheney bush crime family WANTED a disaster, knowing they could spin it any way they wanted to (thanks largely to rw radio), and mostly to their favor- 'cleaning up' NO for their interests, experimenting with disaster policing, blaming democrats electing republicans, etc.

    the part they were really hoping for, for a real success, was black on white violence. they were prepared for it and the reactions they wanted to implement, even with their excuses for not helping residents (national guard helicopters were being shot at by gang-bangers!) but it didn't happen and they were very disappointed- their dominant messaging machine would have allowed them to use it as an excuse to expand domestic/military policing and they would have been able to use it for numerous election cycles to elect more republicans.

    they wanted NO destroyed and they wanted black on white mayhem.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 08:10:04 AM PST

    •  please leave the silly CT kookery to the rightwing (2+ / 0-)
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      Be Skeptical, RiveroftheWest

      militia nutjobs. They're much better at it than we are. And I don't mind if THEY look like paranoid tinfoil-hat loons.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 09:01:31 AM PST

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      •  ha. they did a great job pulling out of that with (0+ / 0-)

        political wins for republicans, and minor blame for the bush gang. it's an afterthought.

        do you think that people were stuck at super dome for 5 days without help because gang bangers made it to dangerous for the national guard to drop food and water in there?

        you think it was local politicians' faults school busses weren't used to evacuate?

        you think the people who lied us into iraq and got thousands of soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands physically and mentally maimed, along with hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, and who got away with it weren't capable of that?

        just logical speculation based on years of observing people like cheney bush rove chertoff and what they are capable of.

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 10:06:58 AM PST

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      •  as long as you want to keep (0+ / 0-)

        screaming CT CT!! these thugs will keep believing they can get away with shit like this. and will.

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 10:10:19 AM PST

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  •  Wow - you really can "dial up" the weather station (1+ / 0-)
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    in Antarctica:

    Radioisotope batteries still make me nervous 'tho. I'm sticking with rechargeables until the those new dark matter batteries hit the shelves.

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
    he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

    by jjohnjj on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 09:49:14 AM PST

  •  Make it a weekly feature! (2+ / 0-)

    Good post...the ominous increase in anti-science sentiment and associated denialism in the population is something that should be checked into and examined by all in a post just like this as a regular feature every week.

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    Good article and so true. Makes a person wonder what Government is for. Some think it just for making guns and bombs.

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