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When I was a teenager I idolized my best friend's parents.  They were everything my mother was not -- tolerant, knowledgable, wise, with university educations.  I was jealous.  My friend and his sister were able to get what they wanted.  To me they lived privileged lives.

I never had much of an allowance.  I sought to be good and in doing so often denied myself things that were in my best interest.  It was as if I was expecting to be rewarded for self-sacrifice.

That is not why I am writing tonight though.  I am writing about Woody Allen.

I read The Kugelmass Episode as a teenager.  I watched 'Love and Death' and thought it an awakening -- something new, something intelligent, something enlightening affecting my squalid life.  Woody Allen wasn't a formative influence, but he was funny, ironic, influential,

... and apparently an abusive asshole.

I have learned over the years that idols are products of idolatry.  I watched my friend's parents and family struggle with the same family problems everyone else had over the years.  That was easy enough to accept.  Other important figures in my life withered away and died.  Death is part of life.

What bothers me tonight is that the same person who wrote this: "No, I want romance. I want music. I want love and beauty." is also responsible for this:

when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.

For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out.

Every day we read of similar events.  Male and females in authority positions using their influence to coerce, to cajole, to rape.

I think the misogyny of Woody Allen shows in his early writings now that I look again:  "Daphne had promise. Who suspected she'd let herself go and swell up like a beach ball? Plus she had a few bucks, which is not in itself a healthy reason to marry a person, but it doesn't hurt, with the kind of operating nut I have. You see my point?"

I started this diary thinking I would write about the complexity of the human soul.  But after rereading The Kugelmass Episode, I must now admit that I see a selfish jerk on the other side of the pen.

Sometimes the crystal is clear.

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  •  Fuck you Woody Allen, (3+ / 1-)
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    The Jester

    period.

    The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

    by tecampbell on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 01:31:12 AM PST

  •  Geeze, Do a Little Research... (6+ / 0-)

    ... before you go off.

    •  I couldn't finish reading that article (5+ / 0-)
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      It struck me as a nasty hit job. That's the kind of thing you write when you are trying to confront an accusation that has the unmistakable ring of truth to it.

      •  A nasty hit job? (4+ / 0-)
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        I'm reminded of the McMartin Preschool incident, where children were manipulated into telling stories of abuse which never occurred.

        Dylan Farrow was no doubt traumatized as a child.  What isn't so clear after reading the Daily Beast piece is which parent is responsible for having inflicted that trauma.

        all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

        by 4kedtongue on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 05:31:34 AM PST

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        •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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          What was the point of bringing up the fact that Mia Farrow's brother is a convicted child molester?  No, Mia Farrow is not speaking out against her own brother right now, but he's also not being publicly celebrated as some kind of hero.

          Obviously, Ms. Farrow's brother isn't a beloved movie icon, able to hire armies of lawyers to raise doubt in people's minds. Otherwise, he wouldn't be a convicted child molester, just an accused one.

          As is Woody Allen.

          Just because someone is famous and/or celebrated in some field doesn't mean that they can't be a pedophile. Remember Jerry Sandusky?

          Honestly, when I read that Woody Allen and his wife adopted two girls, I shuddered.  

          •  Ms. Farrow's brother... (0+ / 0-)

            ...like her, was born into a celebrated acting family -- Maureen O'Sillivan is their mother, and their father was a movie director.  They were brought up in Beverly Hills, living rather privileged lives and could easily avail themselves of top-rate legal representation.

            The difference between her brother and her former boyfriend is obvious -- one is guilty of having molested children, the other innocent of the charge.

            all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

            by 4kedtongue on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 12:43:03 PM PST

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            •  Celebrated doesn't equal "rich" (1+ / 0-)
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              And while Mia's parents were celebrated, her brother certainly never was. He was charged and convicted of molesting boys long after both his parents died.

              I don't think you can compare the wealth of a "sometime screenwriter and retired boat salesman" to Woody Allen.

              http://www.nbcwashington.com/...

              http://www.celebritynetworth.com/...

              •  Haha... (0+ / 0-)

                ...ok.  Woody Allen molested his daughter but bought his way out of a trial and conviction.

                Got it.

                all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

                by 4kedtongue on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 07:24:34 PM PST

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                •  Let me guess (0+ / 0-)

                  You also believe that OJ Simpson was really innocent and has been spending all his time searching for the real killer.

                  •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

                    Try not to guess.  Best to stick with the verifiable facts when making judgements about others.

                    But, this is the perfect example of why your arguments fall flat -- they're what you believe as opposed to what you know.

                    Elizabeth Loftus is a psychologist and researcher at UC Irvine, and she’s spent most of her career studying the power of suggestion, even self-suggestion, on our memories and what she’s found is both fascinating and really not the least bit surprising. Basically, especially at a young age, we’re highly susceptible to suggestion and memory manipulation, particularly by people we trust and wish to please, and the kind of story Dylan Farrow is telling isn’t unusual during the total warfare of a custody battle, especially one as public as Woody and Mia’s and concerning someone as volatile and demanding as Mia Farrow and with the mercurial and neurotic reputation of Woody Allen.

                    Here’s what it comes down to: There are only two people who know what really happened between Woody Allen and Dylan Farrow. The former has consistently proclaimed his innocence and tells one story; the latter continues to tell another, much more harrowing story. The facts of the case have always favored Woody, from doctors saying that Dylan was inconsistent in her detailing of what happened 21 years ago and that her story had a rehearsed feel to it, to the actual amount of time witnesses say Woody was alone with Dylan at Mia Farrow’s home in Bridgewater, Connecticut on August 4th, 1992, a date which fell right in the middle of Woody and Mia’s vicious custody battle and a place where he was surrounded by people who didn’t much like him. He passed a lie detector test.

                    I believe that Dylan Farrow was traumatized while her parents were slugging it out in court in a very public battle.

                    I believe that Mia Farrow, having discovered Allen's affair with her adopted daughter, Soon Yi, was enraged and allowed her rage to question ALL of Allen's dealings with ALL of her children.

                    Soon-yi Previn Describes Farrow's Burst Of Outrage
                    NAMES & FACES
                    August 22, 1992
                    Soon-Yi Previn has told friends that an enraged Mia Farrow hit her, screamed at her and cut up her clothing after learning she was sleeping with Woody Allen, Farrow's longtime lover, a New York newspaper reported Friday.

                    Farrow's 21-year-old adopted daughter told friends the outbursts occurred in January, after Farrow found nude photos of her in Allen's apartment, according to Newsday.

                    I know that independent physicians from Priceton and Yale, after examining and speaking with Dylan, never found any physical evidence of molestation as well as incosistencies in her story AT THE TIME, which cast SERIOUS doubt as to the veracity of the claim being made.

                    I believe that after repeated exposure to a lie which her mother planted in her consciousness, Dylan came to believe what she wrote in Sunday's NYT.

                    I believe that Woody Allen never laid an inappropriate hand on his adopted daughter...ever.

                    all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

                    by 4kedtongue on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:06:06 PM PST

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    •  wow went to the link (0+ / 0-)

      its eye opening and should have been read by the diarist before writing the piece ...it least this diary should be edited and up dated

    •  I read that article. (1+ / 0-)
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      It is disgusting apologetics.  I can't believe you would use it to defend Woody Allen.  I can't believe that people here still buy this BS.

      Oh well.  I drew my conclusions.  This is not a court -- it is the trial of public opinion.

      The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

      by tecampbell on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 11:10:49 AM PST

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  •  Instinct-driven people tend to take the (2+ / 0-)
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    intent for the act. It enables them to evade responsibility for what they actually do, as if, if they didn't mean it, they didn't actually do it. In a sense, the intent negates the act.

    How many of these instinct-driven people are there? That's a good question. I'd say perhaps as many as 30%, the same number as are functionally illiterate. Obviously, some of the instinct-driven are literate and some have other what we call "artistic" talents, which seem to be based on an ability to recognize their own kind on an instinctive level and communicate in some ulterior realm.
    Perhaps that's why I don't like movies. I resent the obvious effort to manipulate the viewer's emotions.

    http://hannah.smith-family.com

    by hannah on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 04:11:13 AM PST

    •  I must strongly disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      with your speculation about instinct-driven behavior and illiteracy. There are plenty of illiterate people who are intelligent and thoughtful. There are many reasons they are illiterate, and each one is an individual with different life experiences. Many work hard. Many deal with it effectively.

      At least some have the drive to learn to read, usually for a particular reason ... the newspaper, the Bible, their grandchildren. But it is not easy and requires great persistence and dedication. I have enjoyed working with them and have deep respect for their efforts.

      The man who founded Dollar General was illiterate. He quit school at age eight during the Great Depression to help support his family when he father died. A portion of their earnings has always been used to support adult literacy, and that continues today.

      Heh. That struck a nerve, eh?

      All the best.

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 06:06:05 AM PST

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      •  The same number does not mean the same (1+ / 0-)
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        people.

        If 51% of fertilizations are aborted before or soon after implantation and 51% of the population are female, that does not mean all females are aborted.

        My point in citing the 30% hypothesis was to suggest that the instinct-driven are not an insignificant 1%.

        http://hannah.smith-family.com

        by hannah on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 07:27:24 AM PST

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  •  Despite your intentions, your diary falls flat: (5+ / 0-)

    this is a very complicated story, and you've told half of it.

    Your conclusion underlines your own impatient rush to judgment, and your failure to balance all the evidence, the  strong conflicting opinions, and the questions that remain:

    I started this diary thinking I would write about the complexity of the human soul.  But after rereading The Kugelmass Episode, I must now admit that I see a selfish jerk on the other side of the pen.

    Sometimes the crystal is clear.

    I guess the crystal is clear, when you decide to look at it from one side, and call that truth.

    Anyone with the patience to give a very complicated story the consideration it deserves should  go and read this other diary, with all the comments and links in it

    "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

    by Brecht on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 05:37:13 AM PST

  •  Thanks for writing. (2+ / 0-)
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    To me this is a very sad story, and I strongly condemn any form of child abuse. Period.

    However, we are a nation of laws (as Jerry Sandusky finally learned). Allen wasn't tried or convicted; and like everyone else he should be assumed innocent until proven guilty; and he denies it, as most anyone would.

    This is from Kristoff's column in the NYT today that is openly sympathetic to Dylan well worth the read. He also adds some facts (personally, I'd go with the psychiatrists because science):

    There were charges and countercharges. A panel of psychiatrists sided with Allen, a judge more with Dylan and her mother. A Connecticut prosecutor said that there was enough evidence for a criminal case against Allen but that he was dropping criminal proceedings to spare Dylan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

    by cotterperson on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 05:50:54 AM PST

  •  Just another moronic self-righteous lack of facts (0+ / 1-)
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    I feel sorry for you. Enjoy your fantasy world.

    Meantime, in the real world, it never happened, it is a made up fantasy concocted by a spiteful woman to get back at someone who hurt her feelings using the most heinous means possible.

    Debunked by the police, DA, doctors, and refuted by Farrows own employees who ... unlike any of you fucking fools of blind outrage .... WERE THERE THAT DAY.

    •  By your own statement (0+ / 0-)

      you are guilty of everything you accuse me of.

      After rereading the Kugelmass Episode I have found myself believing that Woody Allen is a person who objectifies and is entirely capable of the actions his daughter accuses.  I do not believe anymore that he is a person worthy of the benefit of doubt.

      I am sorry you disagree.

      The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

      by tecampbell on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 10:40:14 AM PST

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    •  With your statement, you must've been there..... (1+ / 0-)
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      About the staff, what about the OTHER days?

    •  I guess you feel strongly about it (0+ / 0-)

      KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

      by fcvaguy on Sun Feb 02, 2014 at 04:03:19 PM PST

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