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A new study by the Guttmacher InstituteAbortion Incidence and Service Availability in the United States, 2011—has found that the U.S. abortion rate fell sharply from 2008 to 2011 to its lowest level since 1973, the year the Supreme Court ruled on Roe v. Wade. The rate in 2011 fell to 16.9 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, compared with 16.3 in 1973 and 29.3 in 1981:
While the study did not specifically investigate reasons for the decline, the authors note that the study period (2008–2011) predates the major surge in state-level abortion restrictions that started during the 2011 legislative session, and that many provisions did not go into effect until late 2011 or even later. The study also found that the total number of abortion providers declined by only 4% between 2008 and 2011, and the number of clinics (which provide the large majority of abortion services) declined by just 1%.

"With abortion rates falling in almost all states, our study did not find evidence that the national decline in abortions during this period was the result of new state abortion restrictions. We also found no evidence that the decline was linked to a drop in the number of abortion providers during this period," says Rachel Jones, lead author of the study.

The method of abortion also shifted significantly during the three-year study period, with medication abortions going from 17 percent to 23 percent of abortions not performed in hospitals. Good news on that score is that the rise in medication abortions went hand in hand with earlier abortions, which are safer for women.

Please read below the fold for more on the drop in abortions.

The lowered rate of abortion coincided with a drop in the birth rate and pregnancy rates, according to the study's lead author Rachel Jones, who said:

"The decline in abortions coincided with a steep national drop in overall pregnancy and birth rates. Contraceptive use improved during this period, as more women and couples were using highly effective, long-acting reversible contraceptive methods, such as the IUD. Moreover, the recent recession led many women and couples to want to avoid or delay pregnancy and childbearing.”
While the study found no evidence that new abortion-restricting state laws had an impact on women's ability to obtain abortion, that doesn't mean they aren't problematic or won't make matters worse in the future. Such restrictions were passed in record numbers in 2011, with more such laws being passed in the three years ending in 2013 than in the previous decade.

Forced-birthers are clearly not finished in their efforts to hamstring women's reproductive rights. For instance, Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant said in his state of the state address two weeks ago that his goal is to end abortion in the Magnolia State. Currently, only one abortion clinic is operating in Mississippi, and its future will be determined by the outcome of a lawsuit against the state's law requiring that abortion providers must have hospital admitting privileges. Jury selection in that case begins March 3.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 08:43 AM PST.

Also republished by Pro Choice and Daily Kos.

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  •  Facts mean nothing to these... (18+ / 0-)

    ... totalitarian Christians.  If your starting point is that abortion = murder a single abortion, for whatever reason, is one too many.

    I guess it is a debate we have not concluded.  I believe that abortion is not murder.  Here is one argument.

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    by Shockwave on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 08:51:52 AM PST

    •  These "pro-life" people are so confused and low (0+ / 0-)

      IQ that they believe that making abortion illegal will keep people from getting abortions or pregnant in the first place.  

      They also don't understand that more guns equals more deaths, any way you cut it.

      It is important to note that the data is from before all of the new abortion restrictions that they've been fighting for were enacted.  So, this lower rate has nothing to do with their efforts.

      My guess is that "safe sex" awareness prevented more abortions that anything those people have accomplished.  Better access to womens reproductive care and more women with careers plays a role in that, I am guessing.

  •  The culture of intimidation has never been (14+ / 0-)

    more palpable post-Roe. Living as I do in Cali, I saw on the highways yesterday my first state-issued Virginia license plate that is actually stamped "Pro-Life".  

    "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

    by Mogolori on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 08:54:05 AM PST

  •  I so dearly wish, with little hope, (29+ / 0-)

    that this data will be flung at the right wing to prove that contraception prevents unintended pregnancy and thus abortion!!

    They should be embracing contraception and offering it free at street corners, if they really, truly are "pro-life".

    But the truth is they don't give a crap about all the innocent, "murdered" babies--this is about control, not babies.

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    by coquiero on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 08:56:30 AM PST

  •  The birthers have no interest (25+ / 0-)

    in programs to reduce the need for abortions. If they did they would support inclusion of contraception in health insurance. They are all about misogynistic control.

    •  Well, I think we know about how they feel about (13+ / 0-)

      contraception. That's certainly no secret.

      Don't get pregnant means:

      1. Don't use birth control
      2. Check your libido at the front door
      3. Always submit to your husband

      Now, I'd like to see someone reconcile those three.

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      by cany on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:18:33 AM PST

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      •  Right. They just don't want us to enjoy sex (9+ / 0-)

        They hate and fear women.  

        And it's not all men. Just those men.

        The road to excess leads to the palace of Wisdom, I must not have excessed enough

        by JenS on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 10:36:01 AM PST

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        •  Some women, too. Control of others' sex lives (11+ / 0-)

          seems to be more important to anti-choice women than the loss of control over their own.

          I think they're jealous. They didn't (or don't) let themselves enjoy sex, and they resent the fact that "those sluts" seem to be having a good time and "getting away with it."

          We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

          by david78209 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:03:56 AM PST

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        •  Yes---they do hate and fear women. (7+ / 0-)

          Me and my mighty vagina.

          "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

          by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:09:04 AM PST

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          •  No, they are hypocritical misogynists. (2+ / 0-)
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            They talk about family values when many GOP leaders leave their wife and kids for women that are way too young for them, multiple times.  Look at Rush Limbaugh.  What about him says anything nice about family values?  He vacations on an island known for child prostitution with his male buddies and gets busted with viagra on the way home.  After than, he married his fourth wife is young enough to be his grandchild.  I can't remember if that was before or after treatments for alcohol and drug addictions.

            But, let's not leave Newt Gingrich out of this.  Oh, he's a vision of Focus on the Family values!  And, a hypocrit of the worst kind.

            And, John McCain came home from Viet Nam to his beauty queen wife who had been in a disfiguring car accident.  So, he left her for another beauty, heiress 18 years younger than him.

            We all know that ONLY a woman needs help controlling our libidos ... cuz most of us belong in the kitchen and doing laundry.  The rest of us are there as sex objects for men who should not control their libidos.  It's all about freedom and greed for them and only them.

            Fox News is attacking Hillary Clinton comparing her to a "nagging wife".  Yep, that's what wives do, they just nag.  The old ball and chain.  Better trade her in for a newer model.

            •  Isn't it sickening? (1+ / 0-)
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              Shame on all of em.'

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              by lyvwyr101 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 10:25:36 AM PST

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              •  Sorry, I was venting. Watching Christie so easily (0+ / 0-)

                bold faced lying to the public does that to me.

                But, seriously, these dudes r misogynists.  The one thing I remember about DC hotels are the giant telephone books in each room.  They are huge because they have a super big section for ESCORTS.  Hundreds of pages of hookers.

                I am not kidding.  I have travelled the whole world, and I have never seen anything like that anywhere else.

    •  See this piece by Amanda Marcotte: (32+ / 0-)

      Anti-Choicers Drop the ‘Life’ Pretense, Increasingly Admit They’re Angry About Sex:

      A report examining the demographics of women who have abortions, using self-reported numbers from the National Center for Health Statistics, was recently presented at a Family Research Council conference. Their conclusion? “OMG sluts!”

      The researchers—a term that needs to be used somewhat loosely, due to the extensive statistical distortion employed in this paper—were incredibly intent on portraying abortion as a product of sexually loose women on the prowl. They mostly succeed in portraying themselves as remarkably prudish and out of step with mainstream realities. “Almost 90 percent of reported abortions are procured by women who have had three or more (male) sexual partners,” the researchers write, clearly expecting the audience to reel in terror at the idea that a woman might not marry the first boy she kisses. Which means that most women having abortions are … average. Women generally report having had about four male sexual partners, but social scientists are inclined to think the number is probably higher than that, because men report having a much higher average number of partners, and that discrepancy is mathematically impossible. Indeed, one study showed that by telling women that they’re hooked up to a lie detector, the number of sex partners they will cop to goes up. Slut-shaming, such as the kind produced by this report, causes women to round down.

      “The fraction of women reporting abortions is far larger among women with multiple sexual partners than among monogamous women,” the study authors write. It’s a classic example of how this paper, which is supposed to be a study, is actually full of misrepresentations and dishonest number-massaging. After all, “monogamous” and “has had multiple partners” are not mutually exclusive groups. No doubt the study authors mean “has only had one partner ever” as their definition of monogamous, a strange and sloppy definition that would mean that a woman who lost her virginity during a one-night stand yesterday is more “monogamous” that a woman whose second marriage has lasted 30 years.

      “Eighty-three percent of women who report having an abortion have cohabited at some time,” they write, clearly expecting the audience to find cohabitation to be a shockingly risqué behavior. Again, this makes women who have abortions average. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “[M]ost young couples live together first before entering marriage.” By the time they turn 30, three-quarters of women have cohabitated.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:35:49 AM PST

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      •  Draco & Caligula: putting Republic in Republican (5+ / 0-)
        Draco (circa 7th century BC) was the first legislator of Athens in Ancient Greece. He replaced the prevailing system of oral law and blood feud by a written code to be enforced only by a court. Draco's written law became known for its harshness, with the adjective draconian referring to similarly unforgiving rules or laws.
        "Caligula" (Latin: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;) was the popular nickname of Gaius (31 August 12 AD – 22 January 41 AD),There are few surviving sources on Caligula's reign, although he is described as a noble and moderate ruler during the first six months of his rule. After this, the sources focus upon his cruelty, sadism, extravagance, and intense sexual perversity, presenting him as an insane tyrant.

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        by annieli on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 10:42:16 AM PST

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      •  several quibbles with that (2+ / 0-)
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        julesrules39, Creosote

        while the age group of abortion studies tends to start with age 15, I doubt that show the whole picture.  10-14 year old get abortions, too.  In our state, a 9-year-old (YES NINE) got an abortion.  I suspected it was incest but couldn't prove it.  Does she deserve the label "slut"?  Any parents out there may have to recognize their little 4-grader can get pregnant.  Ponder that for a while.

    •  "They" are not all alike (15+ / 0-)

      It's a mistake to lump together everyone who opposes abortion. Many of them do understand that reducing the rate of unwanted pregnancy (via good sex education and available/free birth control) is the best way to reduce the demand for abortion. The second best is adequate financial and social support for pregnant women.

      These are people who can be allies on many issues, and should be cultivated as such.

      There are also some feminists (I count myself as one) who want abortion to remain legal, at least up to 20 weeks (and beyond if the woman's life/health are seriously in danger), but who share some of the moral qualms about destroying a life-in-process-of-becoming. That's why the "safe, legal and rare" formula appeals to me.

      There are some who are fanatics on birth control, opposed to any kind of safety net, and seem motivated mostly by anger and a desire to punish anyone who gets pregnant outside of a loving supportive one-man-one-woman marriage. But they are not the whole picture. My experience over the past 45 years of this debate is that it's way more complex, and we need to make connections and coalitions where those are possible, not get stuck in a binary we-they.

      •  Amanda Marcotte (0+ / 0-)

        is apparently the Left's answer to Glenn Beck.  Nuance is not a word with which she appears to be familiar.

      •  Good -- you don't have "empathy fatigue" for those (2+ / 0-)
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        anti-abortion folks.  Good luck cultivating them as allies on other issues.
        I have almost total sympathy fatigue for them.  I'll save what sympathy I can muster for people who do things like refusing to buy health insurance out of "principle".  Even though the only "principle" I can discern in that is partisan politics to the point of being self-destructive, at least refusing to buy "Obamacare" is a new fad.  They may come to their senses.  We've been having the exact same argument over abortion since 1971.

        We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

        by david78209 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:17:55 AM PST

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        •  Are there actually people refusing to buy (1+ / 0-)
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          health insurance out of principle?

          Hard for me to believe.

          I can see people refusing to buy life insurance in spite of the law, but only if they weren't going to buy it anyway.

          That's not exactly the same as out of principle.

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          by dinotrac on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 12:42:55 PM PST

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          •  "Bette in Spokane" did (0+ / 0-)

            She's the lady who was cited as an example by Cathy McMorris Rodgers, the Republican representative from Washington who gave the official GOP response to the State of the Union speech.

            http://www.nytimes.com/...

            http://www.spokesman.com/...

            She apparently didn't shop for insurance on the official AHA web site out of principle:

            “I wouldn’t go on that Obama website at all,” said Grenier, 58, who lives in the Chattaroy area and owns a roofing company with her husband. “We liked our old plan. It worked for us, but they can’t offer it anymore.”
            That's from the second link above.

            We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

            by david78209 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:50:20 PM PST

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    •  Absolutely. (2+ / 0-)
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      Is there any stance more hypocritical than the political right's pro-life stance?

      "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

      by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:08:00 AM PST

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  •  One of the things that has always infuriated me (29+ / 0-)

    about the anti-abortion extremists is their refusal to support easy access to contraception. If contraception is safe, easy, effective and readily accessible, abortion rates are likely to go down.
    As I heard on one of my MSNBC shows recently -- no woman gets up in the morning laughing about how she's going to get an abortion. Deciding to get an abortion is serious business, often distressing, even when a woman has the money and access to abortion services. While contraceptives don't make abortion entirely unnecessary, they do reduce the need for abortion.
    And yet we have the right wing, the same people who say abortion is murder, trying to sabotage contraceptive availability made possible by the ACA.
    I sometimes think that one of the key requirements for membership in the right wing community is extreme and multiple hypocrisy.

    While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

    by Tamar on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:07:45 AM PST

    •  They're Against Birth Control, Against Women Havin (17+ / 0-)

      sex, and against any sex out of M-F wedlock.

      Conservatives are about rules not results. Their belief is that it's nobody's business to give a rat's ass about society and certainly nobody's business to do anything about it.

      That's a core fundamental principle, it applies to everything other than security against invasion and crime.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:27:21 AM PST

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    •  What I don't understand, is why not just have the (4+ / 0-)
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      government set up health clinics just for contraception availability...why go thru the corporatehood of Planned Parenthood. Not abortion clinics, God forbid, but just contraception. Take the middle man out of it so no 'religious freedom' excuse can take root.

      •  Our county does that (10+ / 0-)

        County health services offers free or reduced contraception, because the county recognizes that unwanted pregnancies cost them a heck of a lot more.  They also do basic gyn and pap screening.

        For those that do want children, the county also provides low cost pre-natal exams, and well baby visits for the first year, also at a reduced rate.

        And shots throughout life.  

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        by catwho on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 10:56:56 AM PST

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      •  because the right-wingers won't allow it (7+ / 0-)

        If it's anathema for anyone to fund Planned Parenthood (or allow them to collect Medicaid reimbursements for contraception and other health services other than abortion), it would be even worse to have the government directly providing contraceptives.

        There are clinics in some high schools -- or at least a bowl of free condoms on the nurse's desk. There should be more, but local school boards say "not on our watch."

      •  I'm not sure what you mean by "government." (4+ / 0-)
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        The federal government certainly isn't going to set up clinics that offer contraception -- can you imagine Congress ever allowing that to happen? Another commenter points out that some counties have clinics with contraception. But unless you live in a very liberal area, local government won't do that either. It's far too controversial (though it shouldn't be).
        Planned Parenthood has a long history of serving women, offering contraceptive services at low cost. I certainly used their services when I was a student. They know what they're doing and they do it very well.
        I don't agree with your designation of them as "corporatehood." They're a big organization but they are mission driven and have been excellent advocates for women's health throughout their long history (almost 100 years).

        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:09:25 AM PST

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      •  One, Planned Parenthood is not (1+ / 0-)
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        a corporation, it's a not-for-profit.

        Two, no government funds go to Planned Parenthood for abortion.

        Three, why the "God forbid" over abortion clinics?  It is a legal activity the last time I checked and it makes sense to offer it as part of an array of women's health services.

        Four, how is Planned Parenthood impinging on anyone's religious freedom by providing privately-funded abortion services?  If your religion forbids you to get an abortion, don't get one.  No one, including Planned Parenthood, is forcing you to.

        These religious wing-nuts need to learn that just because something exists that they don't approve of morally and someone (not them) has the legal right to engage in the practice, it's not an attack on their religious freedom.  There is no Constitutionally protected right to force your religious beliefs on someone else.  

      •  Why not set up good, clean, respectable clinics (0+ / 0-)

        for every damned medical need you might have?  Some place that does not subject you to the ought-to-be criminal conspiracy that parades as American health care?

        Sorry -- got off topic and ranting.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 12:45:42 PM PST

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    •  Their phony hypocritical pro-life stance (1+ / 0-)
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      Tamar

      has nothing to do with actuallly being pro-life:

      It is all about control.

      .............extreme and multiple hypocrisy.
      What a great observation.........................and it's the only way people can be qualified for the political right.

      "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

      by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:17:34 AM PST

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      •  And I have a few cousins who are anti birth (3+ / 0-)
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        control plus anti abortion because they want to adopt or they want to see more babies put up for adoption. They want all single mothers to put their kids up for adoption, claiming there are not enough babies to adopt in this country. They are quite delusional.  

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        by wishingwell on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:37:17 AM PST

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        •  I'd have to agree with that. (0+ / 0-)

          "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

          by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:58:04 AM PST

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        •  There are plenty of babies (2+ / 0-)
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          available for adoption in this country. Where things fall apart is that the "demand" is largely for white babies.
          Maybe that's what your cousins think we need more of.

          •  That is possible although one of those cousins (2+ / 0-)
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            did adopt an African American baby. I was surprised when I heard that. So maybe I do not give them enough credit because they are mean girls who treat people with such disrespect across the board plus they are so anti womens healthcare and anti everything.

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            by wishingwell on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 04:15:56 PM PST

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            •  It's hard to give people like this credit. (1+ / 0-)
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              ......they are mean girls who treat people with such disrespect across the board plus they are so anti womens healthcare and anti everything.

              "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

              by lyvwyr101 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 10:23:40 AM PST

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  •  greater availability of (3+ / 0-)
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    condoms, not even over the counter now..... OTOH we could say that rises in STDs might indicate the availability of alternative excitation methods

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    by annieli on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:20:15 AM PST

  •  but was Draco in favor of Twerking /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101

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    by annieli on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:34:25 AM PST

  •  Must be a whole lot of ... (2+ / 0-)
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    LinSea, lyvwyr101

    'gals' holding aspirin between their knees.


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    by glb3 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 09:38:24 AM PST

  •  I've asked this before and I'll as it again: (10+ / 0-)

    We have a preponderance of evidence at this point. From opposing contraception to abortion to empirical-based sex education to HPV vaccines to TVUs to homosexual romance -- and in the fringes, miscegenation and marital rape laws -- I think that it's fair to ask:

    Why are social conservatives such creepy, Gorean perverts? How can anyone feel safe when their neighbor might be one of the dreaded conservative perverts ready to inflict their crazed sexual delusions on them and their kids? Seriously, didn't their parents raise them right? Or were their parents also a bunch of creepy, Gorean perverts?

    •  It's all guilt. Overwhelming, almost fatal guilt. (3+ / 0-)
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      The human mind is too creative and unrestrained for them. It allows for too many verboten thoughts.

      The thinking goes:
      If even the rare paragon of virtue like me can be forced to have these thoughts (and even secretly acts on them when none are watching), the world must be rife with deviancy.

      The next logical step after assuming everyone is me would be to assume that everyone has to fight off sexual urges when discussing sexuality.

      The obvious solution, therefor, is to cut down on sexual urges (and the problems they cause) by never talking about it to anyone unless you're fearmongering.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:20:55 AM PST

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  •  There is an obvious reason for the decline (1+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101

    The population is getting older. That means both fewer women are the age for getting pregnant, and when women do get pregnant they are often later in life when they can better take care of the child.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 10:38:20 AM PST

  •  do we need fresh messaging? (7+ / 0-)

    It seems to me that we need fresh messaging regarding abortion.

    For me, it basically comes down to this:

    What so-called "Pro-Lifers" are really in favor of is...returning us to the days of back alley abortionists, because if all abortions were outlawed today, that's what we would have again. Filthy, illegal back-alley abortionists butchering women's uteri and vaginas, just like happened before.

    It seems to me that we should be fighting against returning us to the days of back alley abortions and in support of medically regulated abortions.

    •  I suspect the mindset is that butchering would (3+ / 0-)
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      be considered punishment earned for wrongdoing.

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      by LinSea on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:15:58 AM PST

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    •  A major problem throughout history is that... (2+ / 0-)
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      current generations tend to have a hard time believing claims about the barbarity of their forebears. Cambodia struggles today to fight off the resurgence of former Khmer Rouge leaders, as most youth simply believe the tales of brutality to be overblown and politically motivated.

      Similarly, we have a very hard time reminding (without scolding) new generations today how and why abortion used to be quite deadly.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:33:29 AM PST

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      •  I don't think we even need to emphasize (0+ / 0-)

        the barbarity. I do think we need to remind them that abortion did not begin with Roe v. Wade, that women have always found a way to terminate a pregnancy, and that the only relevant issue is whether or not these abortions should be legal.

        And if they say no, ask them what the criminal penalties should be. I've never met a person who could answer that question.

  •  Use of LARC Methods increasing (4+ / 0-)
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    The decline in abortions may also be a result of more access and training of doctors and NP's to put in Long-acting and reversal contraception (LARC) like nexplanon, mirena iud's that many specialists in family planning are advising as better more reliable methods of preventing pregnancy that last 3 to 5 years.

    Given the hostility of the Republicans to providing access to abortion services, family planners have been two steps ahead of them in helping women with better more reliable contracption.

  •  Something I have never admitted on (10+ / 0-)

    Daily Kos. Frankly, I'm not sure I should admit it now. But I'm going to. I'm anti-abortion. Don't get me wrong, I am pro-choice, but it is BECAUSE I care about the life and rights of the mother and not because I approve of abortion itself. I have had some very dark moments in my life because of the "threat" of abortion. Please, don't ask me to elaborate, I don't like talking about it because of my PTSD, just know that I am sincere and not a rightwing nutjob.

    That said, another reason I am pro-choice is that BECAUSE of my personal hang-ups, I know I can never be impartial on the subject. Something that important should not be decided by someone like me who can't judge it fairly. If I were a woman I would never get one. But you know what? I'm not teenage girl with an abusive stepfather and few options. It's easy for me to say what I'd do with no skin in the game myself. I try to put myself in somebody else's shoes.

    One of the reasons I support Democrats is because the abortion rate always goes down when they are in charge because they believe in sex education and easy availability of birth control. It is hard to take the rightwing's "pro-life" stance seriously since they are against two of the biggest things that reduce abortion. But it's not about reducing abortions for them, but controlling women. This is another reason I am pro-choice. I don't approve of the motivations of the people on the "pro-Life" side and think they are completely insincere. I don't want to be associated with these creeps who want to let young women die in back alleys because of botched illegal abortions. But because I am GENUINELY pro-life, and don't just pay lip service to the idea, I believe that even if I disagree with a woman's choice to do it she shouldn't have to die for it, ESPECIALLY since it is a legal medical procedure. I care about the woman more than I do the fetus, and I don't think that should be a controversial statement even among people who are staunchly anti-abortion.

    I feel like I'm going to regret posting this but statistics like this are part of the reason I vote for Democrats. What a woman does with her own body is none of my business.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 10:53:49 AM PST

    •  Thank you, Matt. (4+ / 0-)
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      See my post upthread -- I'm not staunchly anti-abortion, but definitely squeamish about it, after having two full-term pregnancies. I just don't want to go back to the illegal and dangerous back-alley abortions that were the norm when I was a teenager.

    •  I don't think you should regret posting an honest (5+ / 0-)
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      comment.

      I, too, am anti-abortion, pro-choice.  I firmly believe it is the right of a woman to choose what is best for her regardless of my opinion on the matter; and I've come to that conclusion for intensely personal reasons.

      Too many on the Right seem to think that progressives enjoy the thought of terminating pregnancies, which in my experience couldn't be farther from the truth.  Speaking only for myself, my ideal world would be one in which the need for abortions did not exist.  But, until that world arises, every women has the absolute and inviolable right to determine what happens with her body.

      •  Me too. I hate abortion. But, it needs to be (0+ / 0-)

        legal and people need to make that choice for themselves.  A lot of abortions are medically necessary, too.

        BTW ... I know from experience that legal abortion often results in women choosing to keep their babies.  When abortion is illegal, women have to locate and coordinate an  illegal abortion fairly quickly.  So, they don't have time to explore options and find a way to keep the baby or give it up for adoption.  

        This may not make sense to some.  But, trust me, I know people who have made this decision (to keep the child) because they were able to explore the options.

    •  Nobody's PRO-abortion. (5+ / 0-)

      But as an otherwise conservative doctor once put it, "Sometimes an abortion isn't the best choice, it's the only choice."

      Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare.

      We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

      by david78209 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:23:57 AM PST

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      •  Are you sure about that? (2+ / 0-)
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        I wish I were.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:08:10 PM PST

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      •  I kind of am (1+ / 0-)
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        Not that I think everyone should run out and deliberately get pregnant so they can have an abortion.  But I happen to think that the only good reason to have a child is if you really want one and are prepared (more or less) to raise one, and if that's not the case and you happen to find yourself pregnant, then I'm very much pro-abortion in those circumstances.

        I'm also very much pro-choice, so wouldn't presume to tell anyone else what they should do, but, well, I have my opinion...

    •  A colleague and I talked about this (5+ / 0-)

      in the staff room at the Catholic school where we worked.  We both maintained that one can be 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice'  i.e., believe simultaneously that abortion is wrong (a sin) but the government has no role in preventing it.  We got a lot of push back, but afterward a few people who had not spoken told me they agreed.

      For the record, I am fully pro-choice and I do not think abortion is a sin, but I respect the right of others to disagree.  I do not agree that such people have a right to make laws that conform to their religious beliefs.

      One other positive outcome is that my colleague and I became good friends and continue so to this day.

    •  I don't think (4+ / 0-)
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      you should regret presenting these thoughts. I think many here believe (and this is all through the comments), that education, easy and affordable access to birth control, and a way out of poverty greatly reduce the need for abortion.

      And many believe (also reflected in the comments) that ultimately, it's the woman's decision to have an abortion, and that service should be affordable or covered by insurance, and above all, safe.

      This is issue is complex and emotional and every nuance should be part of the discussion.

      I had an abortion many years ago, but after the birth of my first child, couldn't imagine every having another abortion. But that's my personal experience and I wouldn't use it to influence someone whose situation is different from mine--I was in a good place to have a baby and it was a conscious choice. If my own daughter came to me for support for a difficult decision, I would give it to her freely, regardless of what she chose to do.

      I'm staunchly pro-choice and a staunch supporter of programs that provide sex education and access to birth control. Ideally, choice begins with considering whether you want to get pregnant or not, but that's not the case, unfortunately.

      Of course, the anti-choice people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a woman who is pregnant through rape or incest. Those women -- all women -- need the sympathy, protection and support of our society--and easy and safe access to abortion.

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this difficult topic.

    •  I consider myself staunchly pro-choice, and (2+ / 0-)
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      quite honestly, if every women who was considering abortion woke up tomorrow and made a reason-based decision that she didn't need one, that would be fine with me.  (Of course, since some abortions involve the life or health of the mother, or the fetus is so severely deformed it wouldn't survive for very long once it's born so, realistically, that would never happen.)  The issue is always the state taking the choice of what a woman can do with her own body away from her.  And anyone who doesn't think that's scary should think about how it would feel if the state decided that any organ you could donate and not die from the donation would be available for harvest from you, whether you consented or not.  After all, the person who needs the organ's life most likely is dependent on your "donation," so why doesn't their right to live supersede your unwillingness to put your health at risk, or 'inconvenience" your healthy lifestyle.

    •  Tell you what, I'll draw some fire. (1+ / 0-)
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      Ought to leave you unscathed.

      I'm more pro-life than anti-abortion, but am very troubled by it.

      I dislike it severely, but I ended up with a logical problem:

      With regard to early-term abortions, I ran through a logical tree like this:

      1. Sex education is a good and important thing.  Kids gotta know what the heck they're doing and what the consequences are.  Ditto adults.

      2. If 1, then babies are the result of a decision made by people who know that they could cause a life to form.

      But 3 -- That may be the norm, but there is no buy-in in the case of rape, and I can't imagine incest that isn't a form of rape, so I include that as well.

      4. Rape is hard to prove and incest is hard to talk about.  Chances are a hard rule against abortion, even with rape and incest exceptions will force some woment to have babies against their will.

      5. Necessity for access to abortion might create an incentive to claim rape where no rape exists.

      I can't therefore bring myself, under such circumstances, to support a hard-ban against early-term abortions even with and exception for rape and incest.  

      If we don't want abortions to happen, we need to provide education, support, and alternatives.  In the end, we're left relying on people to make a decision and do their best to do the right thing.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 01:07:43 PM PST

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    •  Your'e story just hurt my heart.. (1+ / 0-)
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      .. in a way that is in NO Way, not even a little bit your fault.

       I appreciate that you told it.

      What hurts and angers me is that this is exactly what the RWNJ fundie anti-choice propagandists have done with their campaign of violence against women.

      They have attacked and intimidated way too many people in this way.

       Flipping the truth upside down - Labeling Pro-choice advocates as PRO Abortion advocates if they stand for and protect a woman's right to maintain control over her body and her reproductive choices

      It is a despicable lie

      So I hope you know that no-one, man or women in the Dems party has ever been "Pro-abortion." by supporting women's rights. That is the framing the GOP has worked many years to lay on Dems.

       The choice must be the woman's. Between herself, her doctor and whomever she chooses to trust with this responsibility - that is what I've always believed Dems stand for anyway

  •  This finding mirrors reduced teen birth rates (2+ / 0-)
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    Which have declined 2-3-fold since 1990. http://www.hhs.gov/...

  •  Some time ago (6+ / 0-)

    i posted a diary here that noted that:

    1.  Abortion is at its lowest level in decades
    2.  Teen pregnancy is at its lowest levels ion decade
    3.  Youth incarceration rates are down 45% in 15 years
    4.  The murder rate is near its lowest rate in 100 years

    So if the country is really going to spiritual in a hand basket like social conservatives say, why is all of the above true?

    Funny, but liberals don't talk about this stuff much either.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  I think it fairly obvious (4+ / 0-)
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    that increased access to contraception coupled with increased sex education and growing empowerment of women to maintain control of their own bodies would have an ameliorating effect on the need for abortions.

  •  Um (1+ / 0-)
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    Everyone DOES know what the religious right conservatives are doing with this new information about the reduction of abortions in America, right?

    They're using it to say that women are choosing NOT to abort more than ever before.  

    All of the increased access to contraception and so forth is not resonating with their base.  They see this as a win.  

  •  Thanks for the shout-out to our Gov. Teabilly (1+ / 0-)
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    He needs all the bad press he can get.  Asswaffle.
     >:[

  •  Question: (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm assuming that the initial spike in abortions post-Roe is due to the simple fact that they became legal and therefore were being officially tracked?

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 11:33:12 AM PST

  •  So TRAP laws actually increase the number.. (1+ / 0-)
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    ..of abortions when comparing the rate of decline in states that enact TRAP laws to states that do not.

    Guttenmacher study:

    TRAP laws like the one implemented in Louisiana may have disrupted clinic services, thereby
    reducing abortion incidence. However, while most of the
    new laws were enacted in states in the Midwest and the
    South, abortion incidence declined in all regions, and the
    number of clinics fell only in the Northeast and the West.
    Finally, a number of states that did not enact any new abortion restrictions and that are generally supportive of abortion rights—for example, by allowing state Medicaid funds to pay for abortions for eligible women—experienced declines in their abortion rates comparable to, and sometimes greater than, the national decline (e.g., California, New Jersey and New York).
    - emphasis added

    And that:

    More broadly, it is possible that fewer women experienced unintended pregnancies in 2011 than in 2008, and one factor could be the uptake of more effective contraceptive methods.
    CONCLUSIONS:
    The national abortion rate has resumed its decline, and no evidence was found that the overall drop in abortion incidence was related to the decrease in providers or to restrictions implemented between 2008 and 2011.
    And thanks for the link to Amanda Marcotte who puts it all together, because after reading the Huckabee like version, it's very clear that anti-choice groups aren't telling the truth about their true motives in this war on women.

    It is not about "tax payer blah blah blah.." or "protecting the unprotected innocent" or "religious freedom" or any of the many excuses the RWNJ fundie's list as "facts"

    So in a way it is maybe it is a good thing that:

    But honestly, the sense you get lately is that conservatives generally have decided to stop pretending and just come out with it. Rush Limbaugh’s throwing caution to the wind and using Sandra Fluke’s congressional testimony to characterize women who use contraception as sluts was clearly taken as a battle cry to stop self-censoring by the right

     - emphasis added

    Because it ends the pretense that they care protecting life or support women's rights and are "helping" society.

    This ugliness exposes the GOP as a party of frumpish prudes at best and in many cases a violent streak (Limbaugh) of "slut shaming" that even republican women will  turn away from - imo

    I have to say though after reading the Huckabee-like Christian group and the repetition of and focus on sexual partners over and over it kind of reminds me of the taboo against "carnal knowledge" that is coming through very strongly in their language.

      I've got to wonder what is the Huckabee-like-men's real fear of a woman having this "evil carnal knowledge" of more than one man as a sexual partner even if monogamously and why.

    Sounds like a fear of inadequacy to me (I'll call it HID; the Huckabee-inadequacy-disorder or HIS; Huckabee-inadequacy- syndrome) that would be just merely pathetic and could be ignored, maybe even felt a little bit sorry for, if these "men" didn't have so much power to hurt others with this shortcoming - HID or HIS - I can't decide

    Thx MB  

  •  It's funny to note (1+ / 0-)
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    that there was an uptick in abortions at about the same time that Bush was promoting his abstinence only programs.

    Some people have short memories

    by lenzy1000 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 at 04:23:12 PM PST

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