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Well, that didn't take long. Never mind that even Rep. Paul Ryan knows that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) did not say that Obamacare will kill 2 million jobs, the first ad telling the big lie is here.

It's a Web-only ad that Sen. Kay Hagan's (D-NC) challenger, Rep. Thom Tillis, rushed to cut.

Kay Hagan votes with Barack Obama 96 percent of the time. What will it take to change her mind? How many families will have to lose good health coverage? How many workers will have to lose their jobs? How many people will have to pay for Kay Hagan’s loyalty to Obama?
When the narrator is talking about job losses, the screen shows the big lie about the CBO report. Which, in case you've blissfully missed the big media snafu, did not say 2 million jobs would be lost because of the law, but that 2 million full-time workers would choose to not work full-time anymore, because now they wouldn't be trapped in their jobs for the health insurance. Two million workers who can stay at home to raise their young children, or allow their broken bodies to retire early, or maybe even start a new business.

There are going to be two narratives coming out of the GOP on this one. The first will be this one, reinforcing the idea of victims of the law—2 million jobs lost! Five million losing the insurance plans they like! The second will more or less acknowledge the truth of the CBO report, but will suggest that the law has created millions more moochers and lazy-assed people who refuse to carry their load now that they can get that sweet, sweet health care. The victims will be good Republicans like "Bette in Spokane," and the moochers will be everybody else, particularly the non-white ones. As usual.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:52 AM PST.

Also republished by North Carolina BLUE and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (45+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:52:35 AM PST

  •  Let's not forget that millions are being forced to (14+ / 0-)

    work less than 40 hours a week because of the ACA.

    CBO: We find no evidence that this is true.

  •  Let's also not forget (12+ / 0-)

    the jobs that ACA will create because it will stimulate an increase in aggregate demand for goods and services (also in the CBO report). Of course, Republican supply-siders have been vaccinated against the idea that rising demand means jobs.

    •  This Point (4+ / 0-)

      Of legally being able to outright LIE is one we the people might all be able to get around and demand action on?  Perhaps on our voting ballots? Petition on everywhere we can?  Credo? PCCC? Whitehouse.gov? Kos? Just keep drilling it, like they do? Keep it simple, they must show proof, something beside a blanket open ended statement as if totally true by the honorable politician or party?

      If we unite and be inclusive I think we could just keep it up like they keep hammering the lies.

      Why would Tbags, conservatives, liberal, progressives, all sides and modalities not see the benefit to themselves?

      It is this lying thing that is dividing us, scaring us, and keeping us in an unstable emotional roller coaster, acting or voting perhaps, without considering truths and consequences. I know this happens with my own self. I am actively working to become more aware when I have dropped to emotion only reaction and working to wait and balance first!

      thoughts?

      I think the people should as inclusive we the people have the right to truth from our reps and government and if the elected lawyers in office object, we should at least be able to craft something simple and demand consistently a vote to amend. Well, this is my opinion

      •  Their evil masters own them & the media & are (5+ / 0-)

        Stealing the ballot box. I think we're bailing out the ocean with a teaspoon.

        I'm there with my teaspoon tho.

        nosotros no somos estúpidos

        by a2nite on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:40:35 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  we can have (1+ / 0-)
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          an impact but we need to be prepared to make an issue of things.

          That was a benefit of the occupy movement.

          If we are prepared to primary, then we can influence

          Hillary Clinton criticized China for letting Snowden go

          by GideonAB on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:06:45 AM PST

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      •  Lying in ads can be illegal already (2+ / 0-)
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        Advertisers, for example, are not supposed to lie in their ads for products.

        The problem is that the Supreme Court has a lower degree of protection for "commercial speech" than for political speech.  So any attempt to regulate the content of political advertisements would almost assuredly be unconstitutional, and would also look like a modern-day Alien & Sedition act - i.e., very unpopular.

        So we're stuck with the situation that, when it comes to selling a toothbrush, there are penalties for dishonesty, but when it comes to selling elections and who controls the government, it's voter beware.

        •  This is (0+ / 0-)

          what I see too, the conflict, for one to be Not allowed to do it (commercial) and the other (political) to be allowed seemingly unfettered to and would think it worthy of the whole of all citizens to ramp up the volume on the unacceptability of this and at least have no separability.

          If the purpose of the law that includes commercial is to protect buyers right and reduce risks of harm, or scamming us. How then does one reconcile (SupremeBeings) that when we elect those who make laws that effect our very existence and quality of life and pursuit of happiness, is not the very same thing?

          If in fact they and those who make the ads (CorpPeeples) have the right to just lie either openly knowing, or purposefully NOT knowing, or just being vague and ambiguous for the having the effect (affect?) of winning the vote?

          I would consider personally that the SupremeBeings should need to engage in this conversation again, if they choose and after we might garner some states by petition, to allow it on the ballot. That it is worthy of a bunch of noise.

          How can a people expect to represent themselves in the court of society, against (most often) lawyers (no broad offense) who are installed, by the vote, in our governments (both state and Fed) while having benefit of art of persuasion coupled with the full throated legality to LIE to Win?

          Besides, I don't think, and I am sure I could be wrong, but I don't think the people voted for this privilege for them. Just hoping for any discussion here.

          It just seems to me that we elect those who act then like rulers or gods, who at least in my state being all red for I guess ever, have no consideration at all for truth or even hearing from me.

          It's a point of personal logic I just get stuck on the concept of and I search for a solution as I think this is one main reason we are so out of control and divided as a society.

          We are constantly faced with this tactic like the Repubs right now use so well, cause... its vot'n time

          Thanks for the interaction on this. I'll get a better grip on your point when I do some searching on some of the items in your comment, MPociask. Appreciate it!

      •  I must disagree (0+ / 0-)

        It's a slippery slope trying to distinguish between lies, ignorance, and just a different perspective.  An embarrassingly significant percentage of the population would say I was spreading lies if I said that there was no possibility of a scientific debate about whether God existed, not only because they believe in God, but also because they don't understand what "scientific" actually means.

        There are also too many instances where what we "know" is in flux, either because we've developed new measurement tools, or a new idea is in the process of formation, and we haven't worked out all of the kinks  in a theory. (Remember how "Global Cooling" was supposed to result from polution in the atmosphere blocking out too much sunlight?)

        We don't need to silence people.  We need to make sure that their audience has the critical reasoning skills to recognize an invalid argument when they hear one.  Education in logic, rhetoric and psychology should begin in elementary school, alongside math and reading.

        I believe we will always have disagreements because no two of us are just alike.  We should be able to have those diagreements at a much higher intellectual level than we do now, though.  Opinions shouldn't just be emblematic of the one side of the argument you were allowed to hear growing up.

  •  Democrats should be able to combat lies easier (5+ / 0-)

    than real criticisms.  They better learn because it is a feature, not a bug.  Think Romney 2012.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:12:52 AM PST

  •  Meh (4+ / 0-)

    The Republicans have been repeating the job-killing moocher society shit for so long it's background noise. If they started selling ideas and new directions and jobs bills and optimism I might feel more worried - maybe I'm wrong and this particular lie will be a game-changer.

  •  How can one tell? (3+ / 0-)
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    hulibow, Old Sailor, MPociask

    Cranking up their lie machine has been their basic approach to this presidency since Day 1.

    With the constant drum beat of accusations, lies, attacks, and shyte of bull, I really doubt that there will be any difference.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:16:57 AM PST

  •  John Cornyn on the senate floor right now..... (0+ / 0-)

    'The CBO report was absolutely devastating for Obamacare.'

  •  Forced to work less or getting away with less work (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    Which is it?
    They've get to make up their minds.
    Lying without message discipline is costing them big points on their GOP  credible lie rating.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:20:16 AM PST

  •  A counter-ad for Kay Hagan (6+ / 0-)

    I have read the CBO report and I can tall you that if this is what my opponent thinks it says, then his reading comprehension level makes him unqualified to serve in Congress.  One important part of that job is the ability to read reports like these and understand what they actually say.  He has just demonstrated an inability to perform that function.  The report does not say that people will lose their jobs because of the Affordable Care Act.  The only other possibility is that he reads better than he is pretending to, knows what the report really says, and is just lying to you about it.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:24:41 AM PST

    •  Thom Tillis is an expert on unemployment (2+ / 0-)
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      Old Sailor, blue in NC

      That's why he led NC's effort to effectively cut NC's unemployment benefits IN HALF by reducing both the number of weeks available and the maximum payment amount. The cuts that voilated federal mandates and eliminated extended federal benefits in NC last July - 6 months before House Republicans cut off the rest of the country.

      Tillis is a typical Republican - he's a heartless liar.

      Election Day is Nov 4th, 2014 It's time for the Undo button on the 2010 Election.

      by bear83 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:45:47 AM PST

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    •  You haven't captured the (2+ / 0-)
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      scyellowdogdem, blue in NC

      tone of these ads. It's more like this.

      My opponent has criticized me for voting with the Presdient on bills such as the Affordable Care Act. He says that the CBO report shows the ACA will hurt families and kill jobs. I have a question for him. Is he stupid, lying or is it just that he can't read?

      The CBO report actually states

      that two million full-time workers would choose to not work full-time anymore, because now they wouldn't be trapped in their jobs for the health insurance. Two million workers who can stay at home to raise their young children, or allow their broken bodies to retire early, or maybe even start a new business.
      By voting with Pres. Obama Kay Hagan is supporting families by guaranteeing them good health care that they can afford. That's why North Carolina needs Kay Hagan in the U.S. Senate.  She can read.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:46:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Too long... (2+ / 0-)
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        Cardinal Fang, SBandini

        And it repeats your opponents point - just driving home the bad message further.  If you're going to mention the CBO report at all (which people will not care about in November anyway), just hit three highlights from it that favor your side (reduced deficit a trillion dollars, cut number of uninsured by X, whatever else), and smile.  

    •  He knows......he does not care because (1+ / 0-)
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      blue in NC

      it's required to lie about everything related to Obama.

      If he failed to do so, he would lose all support for his future desire to steal ever more every year from the poor to give to the rich so they will help him get richer.

  •  Obama better get his ass out there.... (5+ / 0-)

    and combat this nonsense.

    Leaving it up to the media and the GOP doesn't work (duh). Late to the party per usual....

    •  advice he ignored (3+ / 0-)
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      Dillonfence, MPociask, blue in NC

      during the creation of the ACA. Why would he change now?

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:45:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Because he's aloof... (4+ / 0-)
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        agnostic, MPociask, bryduck, SBandini

        I like the man, but his office tends to go into hibernation for long stretches while the GOP vandals are dousing the place in gasoline.

        Why he doesn't use his campaign tactics for kicking the crap out of the right wing during non-election years is baffling. More 11th dimension chess, or something.

        •  a perfect description. (3+ / 0-)
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          bryduck, Dillonfence, MPociask

          and he wonders why we get frustrated.

          What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

          by agnostic on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:00:43 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  There is a reason so many people (outside (1+ / 0-)
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          FiredUpInCA

          of Fox "News" watchers) know what the CBO report said despite the media bullshit yesterday.  Obama has been out and about, drawing large crowds last week explaining how the new healthcare plan works, who it works for, it's long-ranging effects, and why it's good.  

          Check out the Transcripts Editor here on dkos....almost every speaking engagement is there.  Hardly any of them make the front page of dkos (which needs to change, inmo).

          Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

          by PsychoSavannah on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:57:53 AM PST

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    •  dems, obama have no chance vs 1200 radio stations (0+ / 0-)

      as long as they keep getting a free speech free ride from the left.

      we keep wasting so much time and recourses on issue after issue just because of that fact.

      those lies left the barn a long time and tens of millions of ears ago (ACA will cost jobs) and dems progressives, liberal continue to play catchup on that and every other major issue.

      obama does not have the bully pulpit. and until the left stops giving those radio stations a free speech free ride the right's messaging and framing machine will have a major advantage.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 11:02:17 AM PST

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  •  One of our local cbs affiliates actually reported (10+ / 0-)

    this as "the republicans say...the democrats say..." When you are afraid to report what the actual report said you should just burn your press credentials.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:26:09 AM PST

  •  There's an easy response to this - you lie. (6+ / 0-)

    The 2 million jobs lost is a bald faced lie, so call it what it is and let Paul Ryan do the explaining.

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:26:23 AM PST

  •  Tricky Dicky aka Richard Nixon (0+ / 0-)

    slyle. In Republican world, some things never change.

  •  Just in time for 2014 (0+ / 0-)
  •  Stupid, stupid, stupid. (0+ / 0-)

    Most of what passes for news or debate in this country is just stupid. Lots of us act stupid. We're all treated as if we're stupid by advertisers, filmmakers, the church, and media outlets. And why? Because as Americans, we are: Just. Plain. Stupid.

    "One person at a time does it all." Andy Murray

    by Claybow on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:36:05 AM PST

  •  This lie was spread and debunked in one news cycle (2+ / 0-)
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    To the people that want to believe that it kills jobs, they will believe it because they believed it before the law was passed.

    They are unpersuadable. Democrats are waste their time if they try to reach unpersuadables.

    I suspect most people are not even paying attention to the CBO report and even fewer people paying attention to a web ad.

    To those that are persuadable, here's what's true.

    Obamacare will end job lock and allow two million workers to quit part-time jobs just because they offer health insurance. This will allow 2 million jobs seekers to fill those jobs.

    A tighter labor market will lead to higher wages.

    Worker freedom will lead to more time for education, time spent with families, entrepreneurship, increased consumer spending, in short, an economic stimulus and 2 million new workers gaining employment.

    "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

    by FiredUpInCA on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:37:30 AM PST

  •  The Hagan/DNC/DSCC response writes itself: (3+ / 0-)
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    Kay Hagan proudly votes with President Obama 96 percent of the time. And for good reason. Ask all the individuals and families who for the first time ever have been able to obtain affordable, high-quality health insurance, and the many others who can now obtain better, less expensive health insurance than what they had till now. Ask all the older Americans who've worked hard all their lives and can now retire in comfort, knowing that they don't have to work into their 70's and 80's to pay their bills and keep their homes. How many people are grateful for Kay Hagan’s support of President Obama? A lot.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:40:52 AM PST

  •  "Bring it On" (1+ / 0-)
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    I like that the GOP has put all of their cards on the table this early.  Democrats will counter and it will be hard for the GOP to sustain an Obamascare campaign because it doesn't align with reality and people already know the GOP is hyper crazy on the issue.

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    by khyber900 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:47:28 AM PST

  •  How many workers will lose (1+ / 0-)
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    PsychoSavannah

    their crappy jobs that they only keep because they are afraid of being bankrupted by a fall?

    1. Books are for use.

    by looty on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:49:04 AM PST

  •  Of course, the lie machine doesn't work (0+ / 0-)

    if you don't watch TV, listen to radio or read corporate newspapers.

  •  Something about (0+ / 0-)

    being half way round the world, before something something got it's boots on.

    This will affect true believers, but the people who get health insurance because of the law, they'll believe something else I think.

    Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

    by somewierdguy on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:01:39 AM PST

  •  It will create jobs. (0+ / 0-)

    More part-time jobs.
    Gotta dig it.

    •  More part time jobs is the status quo (1+ / 0-)
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      FiredUpInCA

      anyway, and has been for 15 years now.  Just like rising insurance premiums were happening at an alarming rate long before the ACA was debated.

      Once the broke-ass consumers aren't so broke from spending 15-20% of their pay on health insurance, more money will start circulating through the economy.  It's not going to happen tomorrow or next week because we have some structural issues that may never get worked out, but it will help.  And every little bit helps.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 10:06:06 AM PST

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  •  Thom Tillis And The Koch's Kansas Carpetbaggers (0+ / 0-)

    It's all about depriving NC of its sovereignty

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:04:17 AM PST

  •  They were faster on this.... (0+ / 0-)

    than a jack rabbit on a first date. They can't wait to lie their friggin' asses off...but, lucky for them, we have no responsible 1st estate that will call them out on this shit. Watch all the very smart beltway persons nod their empty bobble heads knowingly.

  •  This is the lie that will keep on giving ... (1+ / 0-)
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    MPociask

    ... to the GOP. (Better news will have to come along to trump it.)

    The explanation takes us two or three additional sentences, if not more. Which is beyond the attention span of many listeners, even ones who might be sympathetic to us, and much of the media, who can still insist that that they reported at first - without qualification - is true. And in the process, repeat the half truth.

    This is where our side falls down with some regularity. How do we frame a coded phrase to fit this, which needs both a zingy rebuttal and a compellingly zingy affirmative? Try it!

    2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:07:01 AM PST

  •  This Is Good News (2+ / 0-)
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    PsychoSavannah, FiredUpInCA

    Because for once from what I'm seeing today on the news channels with the exception of Fox of course this lie is being exposed and the liars are getting hammered for it.

    And this is not only going to backfire on them I think it will also help call attention to all the other lies being told by the conservative/Republican/Tea Party.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:11:22 AM PST

  •  We are quite familiar here in NC with Tillis' (1+ / 0-)
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    PsychoSavannah

    "unblemished" record of "all lies, all the time".

    He's probably the sleaziest, most dishonest Speaker of the House we've had here in my lifetime, and that's a pretty high bar in North Carolina since the job tends to attract sleazebags.

    There is just SO much sleaze all over Tillis that I actually hope he wins the GOP primary. For example, not just one, but two of Tillis' top staff - his chief of staff and another high-ranking policy advisor - both were involved in separate "romantic" affairs...with separate lobbyists.

    Pillow talk meets policy, anybody?

    And the Chief of Staff, a longtime Tilis friend and partner-in-crime, was actually shtupping the lobbyist in the apartment he and Tillis shared during the legislative session, although Tillis claims he knew nothing about the affair and was SHOCKED, I TELL YOU, SHOCKED!

    Overheard in the apartment shared by Thom Tillis and Chief of Staff Charles Thomas:

    Thomas: Hey Thom, ol' buddy, can you sleep on the sofa tonight? I've got a hot date with the lobbyist from the NC Homebuilders Association, and we have some policy matters to discuss in the bedroom.

    Tillis: Why, of course, li'l Chuckie...but pics or it didn't happen, m'kay?

    Thomas: No problem, boss...

    Tillis: maybe I can have sloppy seconds?

    Thomas: We'll see.

    (Note: Conversation is a simulated conversation, not guaranteed to be 100% accurate). ;-)

    We can't forget that Tillis is the legislative leader who rammed through the Same-sex Marriage Bigotry Act, the Transvaginal Probe Act, the Black-and-Poor-Voter Suppression Act, The Tax Cuts for Billionaires Act, the Cut Teacher Pay Act, the Sales Tax Increase Act, and other assorted goodies and has lots of baggage in a state where Democrats still outnumber Republicans, even if some of those Democrats are Blew Dawgs.

    Tillis is a gigantic pile of shit sculpted roughly into the shape of a human being. He really has absolutely no redeeming characteristics whatsoever.

    "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

    by blue in NC on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:21:24 AM PST

  •  In 2012 they rolled out the "700B in Medicare cuts (2+ / 0-)
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    blue in NC, FiredUpInCA

    to fund Obamacare" lie, because in 2010 they had had success with the "Obamacare will cut 500B from Medicare" lie.

    This "2M jobs lost" is just the 2014 version, and even if completely debunked by the administration and the media it will be a prominently featured part of many state-level Republican candidate ads because it has appeared in print, on blogs and on the news—therefore it was true at some point and is fair game now.

    This is just the way it works.  You will see numerous incumbent ads stating "[GOP candidate] voted over 40* times to kill Obamacare and save 2 million jobs."

    If gasoline prices are still somewhat reasonable around that time, you'll see "[GOP candidate] fought for pipelines to help keep gasoline affordable."

    If gasoline prices are back around the $4.50/gal mark, you'll see "[GOP candidate] is fighting for pipelines to help make gasoline affordable."

    "Reality" is whatever they cram into a 30 second ad in such a way that the issue becomes the fight over the ad instead of the content of the ad. The BS really has to be epic (see: Romney's Jeep fiasco) for it to blowback in any significant way.

    *(probably 50 times by then)

    Fox News: Redistribution Of Ignorance.

    by here4tehbeer on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:31:10 AM PST

  •  problem (3+ / 0-)

    The report shows 2 problems with the media as revealed by the CBO snafu: 1- All info must first be filtered through the agenda of the media reporting & 2- Big words or compound sentences  place news people into an impossible situation. Careful reading can take a few extra minutes and that is, apparently, just too much.

  •  Hagan shld run ad: 'This is not true. In fact, the (2+ / 0-)
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    MPociask, FiredUpInCA

    CBO said: Obamacare 'will reduce unemployment'."  And it will allow millions to switch from dead-end jobs, more time to take care of their kids, and to start new businesses.  It will also raise your wages.

    Ask my opponent why he's so intent to not tell the truth about health reform."

    Best defense here is a offense.

  •  GREAT COMMENTS HERE BUT ALSO GO to YOUTUBE (0+ / 0-)

    and comment on his wall as well

  •  Republicans have a problem (0+ / 0-)

    with reading comprehension. That's why you can regularly find long lines of 'em backed up at 'STOP' signs, waiting for further instructions.

  •  Thank goodness for the CBO. (0+ / 0-)

    Without them, there would be no one to set the record straight.

    ''Over the last 30 odd years, Democrats have moved to the right and the right has moved into the mental hospital."-Bill Maher

    by shoeless on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 11:06:12 AM PST

  •  that lie was established months ago and was ready (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    FiredUpInCA

    to go when the report came out.

    it (ACA would cost jobs) had already been pumped into the earholes of 50 mil a week from 1200 radio stations for many months.

    like so many lies sold and issues polluted, why should it surprise anyone that the right can enable a sorry-ass corporate media like this once again?.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 11:11:42 AM PST

  •  let Senate Dems vote on the Landrieu fix to Obama' (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's "if you like your health plan, you can keep it" misstatement.

    If one travels to certain states - NC or Louisiana, for example - on certain radio stations one hears the Dem Senator tied to Obama's "lie" that "if you liked your health care plan, you could keep it".  Over and over and over and over.  It's constant.

    Obama and Harry Reid need to set aside their egos and let vulnerable Senate Democrats from red states get an up or down vote on the Landrieu bill.

    Senate Dems need to put real distance between themselves and that Obama misstatement.

    Not between themselves and the ACA - that is not what they are asking or need.  They need to put distance between themselves and Obama's misstatement that "if you like your health plan, you can keep it".

    What's the sense of donating to the DSCC if Harry Reid and Obama won't help vulnerable Senate Dems get an up or down vote on that Senate bill?  It will never become law (so no risk), but it could save a few Dem Senate seats.

    •  Very Kind (0+ / 0-)

      You're very kind to call it a "misstatement" as it was said over and over again, and glibly, not only by the President, but by others including Kay Hagan. It was a gift to the Repubs and nuanced arguments in the face of headlines like those characterizing the CBO report, especially after a couple of days when most people have stopped paying attention, isn't going to work. Time to move on to other points.

  •  I'm sorry, cranks up? (0+ / 0-)

    When did the Republican lie machine ever crank down? The lies and cranks it turns out is impressive. No matter how bad it looks for Republicans or how good it looks for anyone not as sick as them, I never, never count out the Republican because the lie machine, powered by the wealthy elite and their massive media ownership (thank you sick bastards at the FCC for your betrayal of democracy and the American people) seems always at full crank to deceive the people.

  •  Are you suggesting.... (0+ / 0-)

    that the Republican 'big lie machine' has ever even slowed down so far this millennium? It's been running full speed since the SCOTUS handed the Presidency to G W Bush. The Democrat 'big lie machine' is having a hard time keeping up.

    If only there were more people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren running our government........

  •  Reality Check (0+ / 0-)

    It is so clear to me that the republicans represent a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. By obstructing any means of job creation, holding the debt ceiling of the country hostage in order to hurt the poor, oppressing the poor in their wages along with wanting to be at war with one country or another and lying about all of it and more represents a clear and present danger to everyone who makes up the United States these days. The sad thing is, the opposing party of the republicans don't have the courage to engage them.

  •  Getting Weary (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder how many of us are growing weary, trying to counter the GOP's BIG LIE Machine?

    The bottom line is that they will continue telling lies, as the Nazi's did, LIES that are Big Enough, Loud Enough, and Often Enough, because there are still too many uninformed people who will believe anything the Liars say.

    Unless and until the major media, broadcasters and newspaper publishers alike, finally develop a conscience, the GOP/TP will continue lying to the public, and getting away with it.  Until the so-called mainstream media learn the true meaning - and benefits of - being an independent media, and decide that informing the public is actually an honorable function, there will still be an overwhelming number of people, sucked in by the Big Lies.

    And until the DEMs in Congress - both houses - stand up and call the GOP/TP Liars, it will continue being their number one function.  Not legislating, not passing laws to help move the country forward, not ending poverty and homelessness; just lying and misdirecting, and scaring people into voting their way!

    I know many of us feel the need to try and open people's eyes, but grow weary seeing the lack of results.

    Sometimes, you need a sensa uma!

    by HashHoward on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 08:29:25 AM PST

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