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Neither have I… Neither has Al Sharpton. Watch Politics Nation to see this beyond outrageous, nutty Tea Party woman asking why President Obama hasn't been executed while US Rep. Jim Bridenstine shrugs off questioner and agrees that President Obama is LAWLESS!


In a video circulating online, supporters of Oklahoma congressman Jim Bridenstine, called for the 'impeachment' and 'execution' of President Obama in a town hall meeting. "Obama is not president, as far as I'm concerned. He should be executed as an enemy combatant," said an unidentified woman in the video. "I can't tell you, or I can't say because we are in a public place, this guy is a criminal." Bridenstine responded to the woman, stating "everybody knows the lawlessness of this president," however he never said anything about the execution of Obama or agreed with the women on those charges. Bridenstine also did not correct the statements during the meeting. "The only way I see out of this is to overwhelmingly change the senate, so that we can then impeach the SOB," said another unidentified woman. "You know, you look so sweet..." said Bridenstine to the woman.

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  •  no (10+ / 0-)

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights to talk about grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:15:26 PM PST

  •  I never even concidered that possibility. (4+ / 0-)

    Mid brain fear of the new and unknown based thinking leads to more fear through irrationality. These people need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the dark ages.

    Dreamers, thinkers and mystics build castles in the air.  Paranoid fear based baggers build castles in the air and live in them paying rent to Limbaugh and Beck.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:21:09 PM PST

  •  Yes, I have (11+ / 0-)

    The key is to meet them in a non-political context.  The smart, nice, polite ones probably tend to avoid town hall meetings.

  •  No, but that's kind of the point. (17+ / 0-)

    They believe we are evil.

    That we are why they lost their job. That we are why they had to work a bad job in the first place. That their schools suck. That we are why the equipment at their job, or the bridge they have to cross on the way to work, or the sewers in their town is dangerously unmaintained. That their teenaged daughter got pregnant in high school. That they got their girlfriend pregnant in high school eighteen years earlier. That we are why there is a heroin or meth problem in their rural community. That we are the reason why Viet-Nam wasn't a war that made a Michael Bay movie look like a documentary. That we are why their bosses won't give them benefits or raises. Or a safe work place.

    Because the alternative to hating us, from black people they don't know, or gay people they have never met, women who want more than to let a man define what is possible for them or their daughters in life, or working poor white people who don't seethe with them at people who are not the problem with Rush or Sean, would be to blame the people who are to blame.

    The second they do that, they have to accept that they played a role in fucking up the entire country chasing phantom boogie men for their oppressors.

    The first step to stopping being a useful idiot is to realize that you have been one.

    I'm surrounded by "Tea Party Patriots" in Nevada.

    That step is a step too far for a lot of people who are slitting their own throats for Jesus and George Washington and that little flag they wave all the time.

    The one that is made in China, not because of me or you, but because the flag factory in North Carolina couldn't match or beat the profit margins that a slave laborer in some rural village could deliver.

    “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger

    by LeftHandedMan on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:25:26 PM PST

    •  The first step to beating this nightmare (14+ / 0-)

      is to stop thinking that we are in a debate with Movement Conservatism.

      We are not.

      They are a cult.

      You can earnestly debate the friend or relative you have lost to the cult, but that only tells them that you are the serpent in the garden of eden. Tempting them away from the salvation that is promised them if they just do what they are told and hate who they are told to hate or blame who they are told is really at fault.

      A part of every liberal's journey should be that recognition that the longer you think you are in an argument or debate with a cult the longer the cult will enjoy the benefit of the status quo that favors how they frame the enemy to their followers.

      I have never met a Tea Party person who wasn't somebody who would be vastly better off if he voted for a 21rst century FDR and a new New Deal.

      That's a bigger nightmare to me than how nasty or vicious they can be in a town hall.

      “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger

      by LeftHandedMan on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:31:12 PM PST

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      •  Charles Pierce in his blog today (3+ / 0-)
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        played the clip and wrote that we are now dealing with "wingnut etoufee", a product of years of right-wing radio and crazy emails(I would throw Faux News into the mix too). These people can be presented with facts/reality and they will not budge.

        "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

        by buffie on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 05:29:17 PM PST

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    •  The irony is... (0+ / 0-)

      That their teenaged daughter got pregnant in high school. That they got their girlfriend pregnant in high school eighteen years earlier.

      Their own red state's policies and values are most likely to have been responsible for that. Teens are less likely to get pregnant in the first place in evil liberal states.

      Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

      by Lucy Montrose on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:03:59 AM PST

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  •  Happily I am now in my late 50s so I don't have to (10+ / 0-)

    ... worry about 'respecting my elders' anymore and I can come right out and tell these stupid pigfucking idiots precisely what I think of them and if they don't like it, they can kiss my big fat white male middle-class ass.

    •  I can go along with that (0+ / 0-)

      The one nice thing about age is you reach a point when you can say whatever you dam well please. The look on the face of some of these idiots is priceless.

      Dogs and Philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards (Diogenes)

      by Out There on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 05:41:09 AM PST

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  •  I have, and it's unsettling (5+ / 0-)

    Unsettling because you want to throttle them for being so well-mannered and sounding so reasonable when they go off on a point-by-point rebuttal with actual facts, while still sticking to the talking points.  Of course, this particular individual is a long-time GOP organizer and has steadily descended into teahadism over time.  We can no longer have civil debates about political topics because the chasm between our beliefs has grown too large.

    •  I see a lot more charm offensive in fundiereligion (0+ / 0-) general than in the Tea Party in particular. The megachurches and fundies always put their best feet forward-- smiling, happy people with strong families, nice children and everyone looking out for each other. Don't we want the same thing? A supportive and loving community to call our own, and all the happiness and good health that goes with it? ... It's but a small price to pay; all we have to do is find Jesus!

      That, of course, is provided we find Jesus in precisely the same way, tone and pitch as our newfound friends. Otherwise we may find out our new community isn't so loving and supportive after all.

      While we're talking about cults, there's a cult term to describe this charm offensive-- "love bombing."

      Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

      by Lucy Montrose on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:17:38 AM PST

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  •  No (0+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:58:36 PM PST

  •  i did have a co-worker (3+ / 0-)

    a few years ago, sometime around 2009, i guess, when the TP was just getting started.

    she was a very nice, very smart woman and several of us couldn't figure out how someone like her would fall for all of that.  of course, she used to exhort me to watch the only news network that told the whole story - fox.  

    she quit working there a month or 2 after that to work at a private health facility.  i have no idea how far she's gone by now.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 04:04:24 PM PST

  •  AFAIK I've never met a Tea Party Member (1+ / 0-)
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    I know some Republicans but they're not all foamy-at-the-mouthy or I wouldn't know them very long.

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 04:36:50 PM PST

    •  I'm guessing you did all (0+ / 0-)

      your long range traveling before the TP existence.

      •  Not so (1+ / 0-)
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        I get  on a jet and go somewhere 3 or 4 times a year, at least once a year out of the country to Chile where I have family.  I just spent the first week of December on Oahu.

        I'm particular about who I associate with. If I understood I was talking to a teabagger, I'd just move along.
        I make a habit out of not talking politics with right wingers, whats the point?

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 06:11:27 AM PST

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  •  My experience with Tea party people is all (8+ / 0-)

    from social media, mainly Twitter. Yes, I'm in my 50s and have a Twitter account, which my friends think is hilarious.  I know some reasonable Republicans. I work with one and he is an overall good person, but we battle constantly about politics.
    However, my exposure to tea partiers on Twitter is not so pleasant. I follow about 400 people. Have about 300 followers. Occasionally a TP person invades someones' time line I follow. It's eye-opening to read their TLs. That's where the fun starts. Not. I RARELY engage these people, because they are so unhinged, they attack and their pals pile on. I have been called the following:
    Libtard (no. 1 insult of TP)
    Baby Killer

    It will come as no surprise to you that the VAST majority of these patriots, and constitutional scholars identify as CHRISTIANS. The level of vitriol and outright violent rhetoric is more than alarming. I have reported a few to the secret service. Trying to have a reasonable discussion with them is impossible. They would just as soon shoot us as spit on us.
    I got taken to task by some folks here the other day for suggesting that you need to dumb down the message to engage with some of these conservatives. (My comment was not well thought out, and sounded more elitist than I am.)
    I was wrong. There is no way to engage these people. The few intelligent, thoughtful GOP folks I know, like my work colleague, can be engaged with, but this fringe, it's hopeless. Their violence is rooted in fear and ignorance of "the other", and fueled by the usual suspects on Fox & Limbaugh. Barely masked racism and bigotry.
    The only good news is there are more of us than there are of them.
    WHEN WE VOTE - WE WIN. We must get the vote out in Nov.

    America is a COUNTRY, not a CORPORATION. She doesn't need a CEO. Vote Obama.

    by manneckdesign on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 04:56:48 PM PST

    •  We think they're duped and brainwashed ... (0+ / 0-) Fox, the Kochs, etc. And they think the same of us. Only by Obama, the government and the "liberal media".
       We think they are lizard-brained, emotion-driven people who don't know how to think for themselves. And they think exactly the same of us.

      It's almost amusing how sometimes at first glance, I can read or hear (usually read) a TP diatribe and think it sounds like a Kossack. But then I see the key phrases creep in, the "religious freedom"s and the "personal responsibility"s and more blatant ones like the "killing the child in the womb", and I get a clue.

      Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

      by Lucy Montrose on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:28:21 AM PST

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  •  Yes. The one I don't like are those who judge the (1+ / 0-)
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    entire progressive movement by the most extreme left-wing nuts.

    The same way we do them.

    The only winners are the professional pols and their bankster masters.

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

    by River Rover on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 04:59:59 PM PST

  •  When I see these smiling assholes holding their (4+ / 0-)
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    despicable signs it makes my blood boil. It also bewilders me how a seemingly functional human being can be so utterly ignorant and so very hateful. The tea party is a disgrace and the moment that certain mainstream media outlets and desperate republicans legitimized them was  shameful.

    To be blunt, if you do not suffer from seriously diminished mental capacity or the personality disorder that is right wing extremism and still vote Republican...I'd double check on the two previously mentioned conditions.

    by jellin76 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 05:33:20 PM PST

    •  How can they smile? (0+ / 0-)

      Because in their minds, they're looking out for each other and being there for their friends. They believe they're winning, morally if no way else.

      So many Tea Partiers have surprisingly benevolent reasons for why they act so hatefully. So I think it's an "ends justify the means" thing.

      Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

      by Lucy Montrose on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:31:50 AM PST

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  •  Actually no, as I don't frequent sewage treatment (0+ / 0-)

    plants for excitement and vicarious thrill seeking.

    "It's only the giving, that makes what you are." - Ian Anderson

    by LamontCranston on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 05:41:38 PM PST

  •  I've met nice, polite and smart Libertarians (1+ / 0-)
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    and Republicans. No idea if any of them were Tea Party members (doubt that) but they did use the same talking points.

  •  I work with two tea partiers (2+ / 0-)
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    They both nice and polite, as people tend to be at work.

    We know each other's politics, we have interesting discussions, and we long ago agreed to disagree.

    And they are both very smart men with lots of education.

    So while it is good clean fun to mock the crazies we would do well to avoid underestimating our opponents.  They have, after all, won a few victories here and there and I suspect that they will have a few more tricks up their sleeves before we are rid of them.

    So get back to work!  We only have ten more months before the midterm elections and we need to be prepared.

  •  I have, with caveat (5+ / 0-)

    The orthoticist I work with (ie makes braces, custom foot orthotics etc) and co-owner of this rather large business is a tea party believer.

    The caveat is that there are many kinds of intelligence. He has great interpersonal intelligence and empathy (I know, shocking). He also has spacial intelligence. When you talk to him (you meaning me--I have a graduate education) he is really easy to communicate even subtle nuances to ie he's quick on the uptake. But that doesn't mean that he is book smart...given at least how little he knew about some things. It is even possible that he doesn't like to read much. It is possible to be bright and not read much, . Such people sometimes end up being bright but ignorant and are prone to drawing conclusions from not enough data, because they fail to seek it out. My "libertarian" cousin is like this.

    I haven't been able to walk more than a block or so in five years because of an injury that has turned chronic. I rely on this guy to make my orthotics perfectly...his attitude and efforts May be something that makes me able to walk someday, or keeps me from it. Since my injury has markedly and negative changed most aspects of my life, a lot is at stake for me with him. He is Such a caring and understanding person-I haven't in my sad saga encountered many healthcare professionals like hiim, he stands out superior. I was shocked to find out he was a tea partier.

    To be honest, I found it quite upsetting in the moment because I think most of them want me and people like me--us lazy takers--to die. They want to take away our food stamps, our healthcare etc. ANd I'm dependent as I said on this guy to possibly be able to walk. Kinda scary.

    I figured it out. We are in MA, he is affiliated with a major Boston teaching hospital. In talking to him before this, I knew his own brother was on disability and SNAP. THis guy claimed that the Tea Party wanted to keep the Deserving people on safety net programs like this...just get rid of the--numerous he thought--fakers who take advantage. I told him that I had never, ever heard anyone in the tea party mention the people who legitimately need help still being able to get it. I told him that the lack of that correlated with what conservatives in the House had put forth and voted in favor of--slashes to the safety net including vast cuts to SNAP. They guy was incredulous--he didn't believe me about the SNAP cuts. He said, skeptically "where did you find that out? the left wing media? I was flabbergasted. And alarmed. It is frightening that people exist like him now. He does  not trust the mainstream media not to blatantly lie about what Republicans or tea partiers or "conservatives" stand for. He is so cut off from real news, so in the bubble of right wing news, that he hasn't even heard that Reps aren't hiding that they were slashing SNAP, to use that one example.

    Sometimes people who are very kind project that on others who they identify with. They think others are as good as them. I swear this guy is very caring. He insists tea partiers are also but just want to weed out the people who are cheaters. He projects his own relative kindness onto others. He assumes they think like him. He sees them through rose-tinted glasses.

    Here's  one thing though. We are in MA. I am under the impression that even the farthest right (he seems to be...wont' even use a smartphone so the government won't be able to know where he is) here is not so hateful of the poor and struggling and those without healthcare. I know this guy isn't. I'm telling you--one time he made a mistake and I came to see him for nothing. It costs me a lot to park (city parking) and he PAID for my parking! (he knows I'm not working). He is a good egg who misguidedly thinks he's surrounded by other people as well meaning in many ways as he is.

    If it wasn't so alarming, and I mean in showing how brainwashed some non-stupid people now are, it would be fascinating.

    Long, I know. Thanks for your indulgence. Good to get that off my chest to likeminded people.

  •  they're just listening to Limbaugh (4+ / 0-)
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    and O'Reilly and Fox and Bachmann and Cruz......etc.

    They're being lied to, and they think Obama really is the anti-christ, and they can't believe he hasn't been lynched yet.

    Ignorance is bad.

    But the real culprits are the ones that lie to them.

    "Legalizing pot won't make more pot-smokers. It will just make fewer criminals. - Me

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:12:31 PM PST

  •  Did anyone watch the oversight subcommittee (3+ / 0-)
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    hearing today about the IRS targeting True The Vote and King Street Tea Party because the groups want 501c(4) status. It was simply a noxious parade and carnival show of persecuted American patriots who were the doe-eyed innocent victims of a malicious conspiracy to harrass them because of their conservative politics (the c4 designation is for nonprofit social welfare organizations which do not spend much time in political activities)  Repub committee members in collusion with the exclusively repub chosen witness panel, orchestrated an attack on Rep Elijah Cummings. It was an evil political stunt. Rep Cummings had written to True the Vote with concerns that the organization was working to impede voting in heavily African-American and Latino communittees.

    They asserted that Rep Cummings was a rogue committee member out to use his position to target TP and True the Vote.
    With the help of the Repub committee members, they posted it all on the Repub Committee website.

    These panel witnesses and the Republican committee passive-agressive swine are sophomoric and loathsome.

    PS True The Vote gets funding from Americans for Prosperity (koch bros). One of the witness' small business makes precision parts somehow related to the oil business...

  •  Yes, actually. (2+ / 0-)
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    FOF on facebook.  The guy even spells well.

    Turns out he was a liberal progressive until he suffered a traumatic brain injury...then became a fervent ultraconservative.


    Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

    by WarrenS on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:04:39 PM PST

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